Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[montaga]

"For the first time in history" soldier capitulating to gamers operating ground robots.
https://youtu.be/hHd_KPKlcQI

Legally everyone is entitled to defend his property/land (his duty) by all means necessary.
Farmers have a large pool of gamers available from around the world, the attacker does not have the same right.
Russia now fighting a civilian population, all kinds of bother on the horizon.

[paxmao]

USA cuts off supplies to bring Zelensky to reason.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgk33k204ddo

Macron phones Putin.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250701-macron-urges-putin-accept-ukraine-ceasefire-first-phone-call-since-2022-russia-france

Than calls Zelensky to remind that, the old masters are gone.

https://global.espreso.tv/macron-speaks-with-zelenskyy-after-putin-call

Thanks for Trollnews update that arrives quite a bit late. Try not to cut and paste from your farm standardised messages people in this forum can tell the difference.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

At the beginning of July, the Pentagon halted shipments of some air defense missiles and other precision munitions to Ukraine because of worries that U.S. weapons stockpiles had fallen too low.

The United States has begun resending weapons to Ukraine, a week after the Pentagon said some deliveries should be paused, the Ukrainian president's office confirmed Thursday.

There are too many people here trying to lower Ukranian morale with news like this. You will be dissapointed to know that there is no easy win in Ukraine. Keep sending meatweaves, there are more than enough drones to greet them, but do not bet the house on anything like a surrender. At this point all Ruzzia can do is a terror campaign, which mostly sucks their resources but does not make a significant difference in the war.

[BADecker]

USA cuts off supplies to bring Zelensky to reason.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgk33k204ddo

Macron phones Putin.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250701-macron-urges-putin-accept-ukraine-ceasefire-first-phone-call-since-2022-russia-france

Than calls Zelensky to remind that, the old masters are gone.

https://global.espreso.tv/macron-speaks-with-zelenskyy-after-putin-call

Thanks for Trollnews update that arrives quite a bit late. Try not to cut and paste from your farm standardised messages people in this forum can tell the difference.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

At the beginning of July, the Pentagon halted shipments of some air defense missiles and other precision munitions to Ukraine because of worries that U.S. weapons stockpiles had fallen too low.

The United States has begun resending weapons to Ukraine, a week after the Pentagon said some deliveries should be paused, the Ukrainian president's office confirmed Thursday.

There are too many people here trying to lower Ukranian morale with news like this. You will be dissapointed to know that there is no easy win in Ukraine. Keep sending meatweaves, there are more than enough drones to greet them, but do not bet the house on anything like a surrender. At this point all Ruzzia can do is a terror campaign, which mostly sucks their resources but does not make a significant difference in the war.

There are too many warmongers who have invested heavily in war machine production, who want to see more Ukrainian troops die so that they can get their war machine profits.

It's time for Ukraine troops to simply surrender so that they can live. Think of the wives and children of the million Ukraine troops that have been killed or maimed in this silly Z war.


Of course, when the Ukraine men are all gone, then they can use the women. They are starting to do this already.

And when the women are all gone - which will happen in a few years - then the children will be grown up, and can start fighting in place of their dead mothers and fathers.


I mean, it would be such a FOR NOTHING loss to quit now. Gotta make it go one way or the other - either Ukraine wins (with heavy losses as we see now), or they all die, and then it won't matter to any of them.

[DaRude]

USA cuts off supplies to bring Zelensky to reason.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgk33k204ddo

Macron phones Putin.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250701-macron-urges-putin-accept-ukraine-ceasefire-first-phone-call-since-2022-russia-france

Than calls Zelensky to remind that, the old masters are gone.

https://global.espreso.tv/macron-speaks-with-zelenskyy-after-putin-call

Thanks for Trollnews update that arrives quite a bit late. Try not to cut and paste from your farm standardised messages people in this forum can tell the difference.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

At the beginning of July, the Pentagon halted shipments of some air defense missiles and other precision munitions to Ukraine because of worries that U.S. weapons stockpiles had fallen too low.

The United States has begun resending weapons to Ukraine, a week after the Pentagon said some deliveries should be paused, the Ukrainian president's office confirmed Thursday.

There are too many people here trying to lower Ukranian morale with news like this. You will be dissapointed to know that there is no easy win in Ukraine. Keep sending meatweaves, there are more than enough drones to greet them, but do not bet the house on anything like a surrender. At this point all Ruzzia can do is a terror campaign, which mostly sucks their resources but does not make a significant difference in the war.

If you understood that Biden never gave enough weapons in time for Ukraine to win, but just enough for it to loose slowly, then surely you must understand what Trump is doing here.

[BADecker]

Russia attacked last night all over Ukraine with hundreds of missiles and drones. Ukraine says they repelled most of them, but the videos and the pictures show otherwise.

The Ukraine city of Lviv near the Polish border - where Zelensky was going to move government for safety - was under attack by Russia.

Ukraine will be receiving US military support, which may slow the Russians down a little. However, Russia is advancing all along the front, little by little.

Note that Poland is getting cold feet regarding supplying Ukraine. Why? They are not prepared for a drawn-out war with Russia. GOD, Have Mercy upon POLAND: NATO and the U.S. Brutally Betrayed and Harshly Framed Poland


Russia Unveils New Tactic In Latest Drone Swarms On Ukraine


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/overnight-russian-drone-swarm-ukraine-featured-new-tactic
In the overnight and into Thursday morning hours, Russia once again sent some 400 drones into Ukraine. The attack also included close to 20 ballistic and cruise missiles.

CNN and others, who have correspondents on the ground, have witnessed a 'new tactic' in the war. Russia sent drones on the Ukrainian capital "flying from all directions" - in yet another effective effort at confusing and breaking past anti-air defenses.

"Russia has been intensifying its aerial attacks against Ukraine in recent weeks, but the assault on Thursday appeared to mark a change in approach from Moscow," CNN notes, before adding:

They were flying at different altitudes, and attacking from all directions — with some of the drones initially bypassing the capital before abruptly changing direction and speeding back towards the city.

Still, Ukraine's military says it was able to shootdown or disable 382 of the 415 aerial weapons Russia launched overnight.

Local authorities said a 22-year-old female police officer was killed in these latest Russian attacks, along with one other person, and over a dozen more people were wounded.

"This is an obvious build-up of terror by Russia," President Zelensky said on Thursday, while issuing another plea for the United States and the Western allies to provide more air defense systems and missiles.

Clearly, the two warring sides are further away from direct peace negotiations than ever before. The US appears to have somewhat stepped back, content to let the war drag on, after President Trump has expressed deep frustration.

But Washington is still apparently working on the bilateral relationship with Moscow, as top diplomats from both sides held a "frank exchange" during talks in Malaysia on Thursday on the sidelines of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) foreign ministers' summit.

Reports say US Secretary of State Marco Rubio has issued a "new idea" on resolving the war to his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov.
...

[paxmao]

USA cuts off supplies to bring Zelensky to reason.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgk33k204ddo

Macron phones Putin.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250701-macron-urges-putin-accept-ukraine-ceasefire-first-phone-call-since-2022-russia-france

Than calls Zelensky to remind that, the old masters are gone.

https://global.espreso.tv/macron-speaks-with-zelenskyy-after-putin-call

Thanks for Trollnews update that arrives quite a bit late. Try not to cut and paste from your farm standardised messages people in this forum can tell the difference.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

At the beginning of July, the Pentagon halted shipments of some air defense missiles and other precision munitions to Ukraine because of worries that U.S. weapons stockpiles had fallen too low.

The United States has begun resending weapons to Ukraine, a week after the Pentagon said some deliveries should be paused, the Ukrainian president's office confirmed Thursday.

There are too many people here trying to lower Ukranian morale with news like this. You will be dissapointed to know that there is no easy win in Ukraine. Keep sending meatweaves, there are more than enough drones to greet them, but do not bet the house on anything like a surrender. At this point all Ruzzia can do is a terror campaign, which mostly sucks their resources but does not make a significant difference in the war.

If you understood that Biden never gave enough weapons in time for Ukraine to win, but just enough for it to loose slowly, then surely you must understand what Trump is doing here.

On the contrary, I do understand that they were never enough to win. Just as the US has never given then so little that they will loose.

The US could have and can still deliver enough for Ukraine to win, but it is much more profitable for the US the let Ruzzia send material, troops and huge financial reserves into a worthless war, that even in the best case will only deliver very moderate geostrategic results.

Around a million soldiers KIA or missing or severely wounded, air platforms that can no longer be build, stockpiles of Soviet tanks destroyed by 1000 USD drones, oil, refineries... Putin is ok with paying the price and the Ruzzians are zombified and will not do anything to stop it. Do you think the US has not calculated any of it?

I have said it 10 or more times: There are winners in this war but Ruzzia is not one of them.

[BADecker]

~

I have said it 10 or more times: There are winners in this war but Ruzzia is not one of them.

That's because you aren't looking at what is really going on. Or you are part of the propaganda campaign that is trying to deceive the people of the West.

Russia is a leading nation of the world that is proving its strength in Ukraine, daily. The result may easily be the following article. But the destruction of Ukraine is easily evident to all who really want to look.


BRICS: The Rise of a New Global Order


https://www.activistpost.com/brics-the-rise-of-a-new-global-order/
The 17th BRICS summit was held in Rio de Janeiro on July 6 and 7, and there is a general agreement among attendees and observers that Brazil delivered a summit of exceptional quality. In addition to the Rio BRICS 2025 final declaration, described by analysts as a unified blueprint for a multipolar and inclusive global order, the summit resulted in three significant documents: one addressing climate finance (pdf), another concerning the global governance of artificial intelligence (pdf), and a third focused on the partnership aimed at eradicating socially determined diseases (pdf).

DOCUMENT: BRICS 2025 Declaration: "Strengthening Global South Cooperation for More Inclusive and Sustainable Governance." (Source: BRICS Brazil)

The Final Declaration of the 17th BRICS Summit transcends a mere diplomatic communiqué—it serves as a strategic manifesto, which embodies a mature, unified, and forward-thinking coalition ready to confront the challenges of a divided world with solutions grounded in solidarity, sovereignty, and sustainability. The declaration strongly condemned the implementation of "unilateral coercive measures," such as economic sanctions, arguing that they violate international law and negatively impact human rights. BRICS members voiced concerns about Trump's tariff policies, particularly his latest deadline announced last Wednesday, urging countries to finalise new trade agreements; otherwise, those failing to reach agreements with Washington will face increased tariffs.
...

[DaRude]

USA cuts off supplies to bring Zelensky to reason.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgk33k204ddo

Macron phones Putin.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250701-macron-urges-putin-accept-ukraine-ceasefire-first-phone-call-since-2022-russia-france

Than calls Zelensky to remind that, the old masters are gone.

https://global.espreso.tv/macron-speaks-with-zelenskyy-after-putin-call

Thanks for Trollnews update that arrives quite a bit late. Try not to cut and paste from your farm standardised messages people in this forum can tell the difference.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

At the beginning of July, the Pentagon halted shipments of some air defense missiles and other precision munitions to Ukraine because of worries that U.S. weapons stockpiles had fallen too low.

The United States has begun resending weapons to Ukraine, a week after the Pentagon said some deliveries should be paused, the Ukrainian president's office confirmed Thursday.

There are too many people here trying to lower Ukranian morale with news like this. You will be dissapointed to know that there is no easy win in Ukraine. Keep sending meatweaves, there are more than enough drones to greet them, but do not bet the house on anything like a surrender. At this point all Ruzzia can do is a terror campaign, which mostly sucks their resources but does not make a significant difference in the war.

If you understood that Biden never gave enough weapons in time for Ukraine to win, but just enough for it to loose slowly, then surely you must understand what Trump is doing here.

On the contrary, I do understand that they were never enough to win. Just as the US has never given then so little that they will loose.

The US could have and can still deliver enough for Ukraine to win, but it is much more profitable for the US the let Ruzzia send material, troops and huge financial reserves into a worthless war, that even in the best case will only deliver very moderate geostrategic results.

Around a million soldiers KIA or missing or severely wounded, air platforms that can no longer be build, stockpiles of Soviet tanks destroyed by 1000 USD drones, oil, refineries... Putin is ok with paying the price and the Ruzzians are zombified and will not do anything to stop it. Do you think the US has not calculated any of it?

I have said it 10 or more times: There are winners in this war but Ruzzia is not one of them.

It's hard to understand what you wrote there, but i think i got the idea of it.

Can you define what a win for Ukraine is at this point? Are you still talking about 1991 borders and everything else would be a loss, or it's something else?

Looks like a classic conflict of interest at play here. So you're saying that US is prioritizing their own interests, do you believe there's a point at which US should stop this approach on humanitarian grounds for the sake of Ukrainian people? What is that threshold or does US just continue to self serve their interest until the last Ukrainian (or Russia collapses)? Is there a group or a party to this conflict who's role is to prioritize survivability of Ukrainians, or Ukrainians have been picked to just be sacrificed for some greater good in all of this

[BADecker]

^^^ A win for Ukraine would be that Russia plant the seeds now that they have tilled the ground.

[WillyAp]

Just read a nice piece about how the ǵamification is working in Ucraine

Apart of it:

As well as channelling resources to where they are best used, gamification shapes the character of combat, according to Mr Fedorov. He notes that the Army of Drones recently increased the number of points for killing a foot soldier from two to six. Units like Birds of Magyar immediately began killing more infantrymen. Mr Fedorov says that this led to a doubling of the number of Russian infantry casualties. A later change doubled the number of points for taking out Russian drone operators, making them higher-value targets than tanks. Such changes show how the system can shift with commanders’ priorities. They have also led to a fall in the number of tanks destroyed.

Paywall free:
https://archive.ph/2025.07.10-141456/https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2025/07/08/how-drones-and-video-game-techniques-are-coming-together-in-ukraines-war
original:
https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2025/07/08/how-drones-and-video-game-techniques-are-coming-together-in-ukraines-war

[DaRude]

Just read a nice piece about how the ǵamification is working in Ucraine

Apart of it:

As well as channelling resources to where they are best used, gamification shapes the character of combat, according to Mr Fedorov. He notes that the Army of Drones recently increased the number of points for killing a foot soldier from two to six. Units like Birds of Magyar immediately began killing more infantrymen. Mr Fedorov says that this led to a doubling of the number of Russian infantry casualties. A later change doubled the number of points for taking out Russian drone operators, making them higher-value targets than tanks. Such changes show how the system can shift with commanders’ priorities. They have also led to a fall in the number of tanks destroyed.

Paywall free:
https://archive.ph/2025.07.10-141456/https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2025/07/08/how-drones-and-video-game-techniques-are-coming-together-in-ukraines-war
original:
https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2025/07/08/how-drones-and-video-game-techniques-are-coming-together-in-ukraines-war

A drone operator who destroys a T-90M tank–Russia’s most advanced combat vehicle–with a disposable First Person View (FPV) drone gets enough points to make his unit eligible to receive 15 more (which would cost the armed forces around $10,000 in total).

So a different system for target prioritization. Interesting that the awards are not medals, compensation, or home time, but some points that you can only spend to get more drones   I must be getting too old, but guess that's what works for 18yr olds these days? Maybe add some unlockable skins, smileys, and taunts next time? On a serious note this approach, to maximize disengagement from reality, is a diabolical experiment on a human psyche. Whoever came up with this psyop deserves a special place in hell. Regular PTSD will seem like a joke once these people will have to be reintegrated back into society, when realization of what those points were, will really hit them. Now veterans play video games to cope, I cannot imagine these new "bonus points" warriors ever be able to hold controller to play a regular video game with their son without flashbacks, once back to civilian life. But guessing long term effects and reintegration into civilian life is the last priority for Ukrainians now, and just a nice controlled psych experiment for the west.

[WillyAp]

Now veterans play video games to cope, I cannot imagine these new "bonus points" warriors ever be able to hold controller to play a regular video game with their son without flashbacks, once back to civilian life. But guessing long term effects and reintegration into civilian life is the last priority for Ukrainians now, and just a nice controlled psych experiment for the west.

Ucraine is the forerunner, next wars will go with robots, and might even have a LLM "Brain, or remote and here we go again.
Age is just a number, as you see it works for them. War is not about fine and nice.
War is also the driver of tech.

nice controlled psych experiment for the west.

I bet the "other side" has a similar set up, or worse.
The article said as much, in the past, say Vietnam, how soldiers were given some metal orden for: How many life he took.  

[BADecker]

Trump has just said that the US will be supplying loads of armament to European countries to send to Ukraine. These will include long-range missiles with which Ukraine can attack well inside of Russian borders.

The interesting flaw in this is, even if Ukraine gets these missiles, Russia will have relocated their military controls well within the Ural Mountains. Perhaps they have done this already. The West and the US cannot manufacture enough missiles to make a dent in the Ural Mountains.

Does the West have enough armament to protect itself from Oreshnik? They will have to protect from Oreshnik's mach 10.5 (or higher) speeds. If Russia feels that the threat from the West is great enough, bye, bye, London, Berlin, Warsaw, Paris, and any other major city of Europe. Of course, Ukraine will have been long gone by then. But that's okay. Ukraine was only a stepping stone to get to Russia. Nobody really cares about Ukraine.

[DaRude]

Now veterans play video games to cope, I cannot imagine these new "bonus points" warriors ever be able to hold controller to play a regular video game with their son without flashbacks, once back to civilian life. But guessing long term effects and reintegration into civilian life is the last priority for Ukrainians now, and just a nice controlled psych experiment for the west.

Ucraine is the forerunner, next wars will go with robots, and might even have a LLM "Brain, or remote and here we go again.
Age is just a number, as you see it works for them. War is not about fine and nice.
War is also the driver of tech.

nice controlled psych experiment for the west.

I bet the "other side" has a similar set up, or worse.
The article said as much, in the past, say Vietnam, how soldiers given were given some metal orden for: How many life he took.  

It appears to be so with the robots. The only things that gives me any kind of hope is that robots will get so advanced that us meatbags will become obsolete on the frontlines, like horses. Superpowers will be protected by nukes and MAD, but these proxy wars can be fought exclusively with robots, until we enter the Terminator scenario, that is.

I don't hold any illusions on this, Russia is trying to defend it's sphere of influence, if this new technique proves to be effective Russia will most definitely adopt it. Thus the evolution of sword and shield, neither side gets to enjoy any tech advantage for a long periods of time. If anything, I expected Russia to implement something like this first and EU/US to push back and take higher ground on this, unfortunately it appears that the west just plays double standards rather than actually adhere to any higher morals these days.

Sure, armies always incentivized killings, after all that's what they are used for. It's just this feel like a new low in this evolution to dehumanize warfare. We had that video where after losing close combat fight on knifes, Ukrainian soldier congratulated Russian soldier, said he was a great warrior and requested to die in peace, Russian soldier obliged, granted him his final wish and left. Now with these drone operators for points system it'll be few years of service and then the psych ward for life once realizations kicks in

[BADecker]

Now veterans play video games to cope, I cannot imagine these new "bonus points" warriors ever be able to hold controller to play a regular video game with their son without flashbacks, once back to civilian life. But guessing long term effects and reintegration into civilian life is the last priority for Ukrainians now, and just a nice controlled psych experiment for the west.

Ucraine is the forerunner, next wars will go with robots, and might even have a LLM "Brain, or remote and here we go again.
Age is just a number, as you see it works for them. War is not about fine and nice.
War is also the driver of tech.

nice controlled psych experiment for the west.

I bet the "other side" has a similar set up, or worse.
The article said as much, in the past, say Vietnam, how soldiers given were given some metal orden for: How many life he took.  

It appears to be so with the robots. The only things that gives me any kind of hope is that robots will get so advanced that us meatbags will become obsolete on the frontlines, like horses. Superpowers will be protected by nukes and MAD, but these proxy wars can be fought exclusively with robots, until we enter the Terminator scenario, that is.

I don't hold any illusions on this, Russia is trying to defend it's sphere of influence, if this new technique proves to be effective Russia will most definitely adopt it. Thus the evolution of sword and shield, neither side gets to enjoy any tech advantage for a long periods of time. If anything, I expected Russia to implement something like this first and EU/US to push back and take higher ground on this, unfortunately it appears that the west just plays double standards rather than actually adhere to any higher morals these days.

Sure, armies always incentivized killings, after all that's what they are used for. It's just this feel like a new low in this evolution to dehumanize warfare. We had that video where after losing close combat fight on knifes, Ukrainian soldier congratulated Russian soldier, said he was a great warrior and requested to die in peace, Russian soldier obliged, granted him his final wish and left. Now with these drone operators for points system it'll be few years of service and then the psych ward for life once realizations kicks in

Isn't that happening right now with all the various AI's? ENOCH, the AI created by Mike Adams, Health Ranger, seems to be able to disprove a lot of stuff that other AI's don't seem to have a provable clue about.

I say, let's give it all to AI's to fight about. And let them provide for us so that we can live peacefully and do what we want... with AI's doing all the labor for free. Then we can travel for free to Russia and Ukraine and anywhere else, to see for ourselves what those lands are like, really. I for one would love to visit the Ural Mountains, or Lake Baikal in the winter... which I can't do now, because I am poor.

Or Russian bee pollen which can extend life.


Threatening The Russians With An Ultimatum Will Backfire Severely And Will Set The Stage For Nuclear War


https://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/threatening-the-russians-with-an-ultimatum-will-backfire-severely-and-will-set-the-stage-for-nuclear-war/
So is this how it all ends?  I don't even know how to describe the emotions that I am feeling right now.  There was so much hope a few months ago that there would be peace, but both sides appear completely uninterested in making substantial compromises at this point.  Instead, both sides are poised to dramatically escalate the war.  If we continue going down this path, it isn't going to end well.  For decades, our leaders have been conducting war game scenarios in which a conflict in Ukraine leads to a nuclear war.  Now a conflict in Ukraine could lead to a nuclear war for real.  I feel like I am watching a slow-motion train wreck happen without any way to stop it.  It really is quite a sickening feeling.

We have a very limited window of opportunity to make peace with the Russians, and we are totally blowing it.

In February, I specifically warned that President Trump must not resort to threatening the Russians over the war in Ukraine because it would backfire severely.

When I woke up today, I learned that is exactly what Trump has decided to do.

Trump has issued a very ominous ultimatum.  If Russia does not end the war in Ukraine within 50 days, the U.S. will impose "very severe tariffs" on all nations that do business with Russia.  In addition, Trump has approved a massive new weapons package for Ukraine…

Trump announced July 14 that the United States is sending weapons to NATO, which plans to transfer the equipment to Ukraine, and also threatened steep tariffs aimed at impacting Russia's ability to finance the war.

Trump said that the United States would put secondary tariffs on countries that do business with Russia if a peace deal is not reached within 50 days.

"We're going to be doing very severe tariffs if we don't have a deal in 50 days," Trump said.

The deadline that Trump has set falls in September, which I found to be very interesting.

If Russia does not end the war in Ukraine by the deadline, and that is very unlikely to happen, Trump says that all countries that do business with Russia will be hit with 100 percent tariffs…
...

[Miramax12]

Now veterans play video games to cope, I cannot imagine these new "bonus points" warriors ever be able to hold controller to play a regular video game with their son without flashbacks, once back to civilian life. But guessing long term effects and reintegration into civilian life is the last priority for Ukrainians now, and just a nice controlled psych experiment for the west.

Ucraine is the forerunner, next wars will go with robots, and might even have a LLM "Brain, or remote and here we go again.
Age is just a number, as you see it works for them. War is not about fine and nice.
War is also the driver of tech.

nice controlled psych experiment for the west.

I bet the "other side" has a similar set up, or worse.
The article said as much, in the past, say Vietnam, how soldiers given were given some metal orden for: How many life he took.  

It appears to be so with the robots. The only things that gives me any kind of hope is that robots will get so advanced that us meatbags will become obsolete on the frontlines, like horses. Superpowers will be protected by nukes and MAD, but these proxy wars can be fought exclusively with robots, until we enter the Terminator scenario, that is.

I don't hold any illusions on this, Russia is trying to defend it's sphere of influence, if this new technique proves to be effective Russia will most definitely adopt it. Thus the evolution of sword and shield, neither side gets to enjoy any tech advantage for a long periods of time. If anything, I expected Russia to implement something like this first and EU/US to push back and take higher ground on this, unfortunately it appears that the west just plays double standards rather than actually adhere to any higher morals these days.

Sure, armies always incentivized killings, after all that's what they are used for. It's just this feel like a new low in this evolution to dehumanize warfare. We had that video where after losing close combat fight on knifes, Ukrainian soldier congratulated Russian soldier, said he was a great warrior and requested to die in peace, Russian soldier obliged, granted him his final wish and left. Now with these drone operators for points system it'll be few years of service and then the psych ward for life once realizations kicks in

Isn't that happening right now with all the various AI's? ENOCH, the AI created by Mike Adams, Health Ranger, seems to be able to disprove a lot of stuff that other AI's don't seem to have a provable clue about.

I say, let's give it all to AI's to fight about. And let them provide for us so that we can live peacefully and do what we want... with AI's doing all the labor for free. Then we can travel for free to Russia and Ukraine and anywhere else, to see for ourselves what those lands are like, really. I for one would love to visit the Ural Mountains, or Lake Baikal in the winter... which I can't do now, because I am poor.

Or Russian bee pollen which can extend life.


Threatening The Russians With An Ultimatum Will Backfire Severely And Will Set The Stage For Nuclear War


https://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/threatening-the-russians-with-an-ultimatum-will-backfire-severely-and-will-set-the-stage-for-nuclear-war/
So is this how it all ends?  I don't even know how to describe the emotions that I am feeling right now.  There was so much hope a few months ago that there would be peace, but both sides appear completely uninterested in making substantial compromises at this point.  Instead, both sides are poised to dramatically escalate the war.  If we continue going down this path, it isn't going to end well.  For decades, our leaders have been conducting war game scenarios in which a conflict in Ukraine leads to a nuclear war.  Now a conflict in Ukraine could lead to a nuclear war for real.  I feel like I am watching a slow-motion train wreck happen without any way to stop it.  It really is quite a sickening feeling.

We have a very limited window of opportunity to make peace with the Russians, and we are totally blowing it.

In February, I specifically warned that President Trump must not resort to threatening the Russians over the war in Ukraine because it would backfire severely.

When I woke up today, I learned that is exactly what Trump has decided to do.

Trump has issued a very ominous ultimatum.  If Russia does not end the war in Ukraine within 50 days, the U.S. will impose "very severe tariffs" on all nations that do business with Russia.  In addition, Trump has approved a massive new weapons package for Ukraine…

Trump announced July 14 that the United States is sending weapons to NATO, which plans to transfer the equipment to Ukraine, and also threatened steep tariffs aimed at impacting Russia's ability to finance the war.

Trump said that the United States would put secondary tariffs on countries that do business with Russia if a peace deal is not reached within 50 days.

"We're going to be doing very severe tariffs if we don't have a deal in 50 days," Trump said.

The deadline that Trump has set falls in September, which I found to be very interesting.

If Russia does not end the war in Ukraine by the deadline, and that is very unlikely to happen, Trump says that all countries that do business with Russia will be hit with 100 percent tariffs…
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You are right the Ukraine war is turning into a testing ground, not just for weapons, but for the merging of technology, psychology, and strategy in ways we have never seen before. The idea of using AI and autonomous drones sounds efficient on paper, but it strips away the last remnants of humanity from the battle. It's easier to dehumanize the enemy when you are just a person behind a screen earning points for kills. That kind of system might work for machines, but for humans It is  a recipe for long term mental collapse. And like you said, both sides will eventually match tech-for-tech that’s always been the rhythm of war sword and shield, evolve and counter evolve, But this time the gap between ethics and efficiency is growing too fast. I think what scares me most is that wars could become more frequent if the human cost feels reduced But the psychological scars, the ethical consequences and the wider destabilization might be far worse in the long run. We are heading toward a future where wars are fought like video games.

[WillyAp]

It appears to be so with the robots. The only things that gives me any kind of hope is that robots will get so advanced that us meatbags will become obsolete on the frontlines, like horses. Superpowers will be protected by nukes and MAD, but these proxy wars can be fought exclusively with robots, until we enter the Terminator scenario, that is.

Think a little further and the only countries advancing in tech are the ones practicing warfare.
 

[DaRude]

Now veterans play video games to cope, I cannot imagine these new "bonus points" warriors ever be able to hold controller to play a regular video game with their son without flashbacks, once back to civilian life. But guessing long term effects and reintegration into civilian life is the last priority for Ukrainians now, and just a nice controlled psych experiment for the west.

Ucraine is the forerunner, next wars will go with robots, and might even have a LLM "Brain, or remote and here we go again.
Age is just a number, as you see it works for them. War is not about fine and nice.
War is also the driver of tech.

nice controlled psych experiment for the west.

I bet the "other side" has a similar set up, or worse.
The article said as much, in the past, say Vietnam, how soldiers given were given some metal orden for: How many life he took.  

It appears to be so with the robots. The only things that gives me any kind of hope is that robots will get so advanced that us meatbags will become obsolete on the frontlines, like horses. Superpowers will be protected by nukes and MAD, but these proxy wars can be fought exclusively with robots, until we enter the Terminator scenario, that is.

I don't hold any illusions on this, Russia is trying to defend it's sphere of influence, if this new technique proves to be effective Russia will most definitely adopt it. Thus the evolution of sword and shield, neither side gets to enjoy any tech advantage for a long periods of time. If anything, I expected Russia to implement something like this first and EU/US to push back and take higher ground on this, unfortunately it appears that the west just plays double standards rather than actually adhere to any higher morals these days.

Sure, armies always incentivized killings, after all that's what they are used for. It's just this feel like a new low in this evolution to dehumanize warfare. We had that video where after losing close combat fight on knifes, Ukrainian soldier congratulated Russian soldier, said he was a great warrior and requested to die in peace, Russian soldier obliged, granted him his final wish and left. Now with these drone operators for points system it'll be few years of service and then the psych ward for life once realizations kicks in

Isn't that happening right now with all the various AI's? ENOCH, the AI created by Mike Adams, Health Ranger, seems to be able to disprove a lot of stuff that other AI's don't seem to have a provable clue about.

I say, let's give it all to AI's to fight about. And let them provide for us so that we can live peacefully and do what we want... with AI's doing all the labor for free. Then we can travel for free to Russia and Ukraine and anywhere else, to see for ourselves what those lands are like, really. I for one would love to visit the Ural Mountains, or Lake Baikal in the winter... which I can't do now, because I am poor.

Or Russian bee pollen which can extend life.


Threatening The Russians With An Ultimatum Will Backfire Severely And Will Set The Stage For Nuclear War


https://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/threatening-the-russians-with-an-ultimatum-will-backfire-severely-and-will-set-the-stage-for-nuclear-war/
So is this how it all ends?  I don't even know how to describe the emotions that I am feeling right now.  There was so much hope a few months ago that there would be peace, but both sides appear completely uninterested in making substantial compromises at this point.  Instead, both sides are poised to dramatically escalate the war.  If we continue going down this path, it isn't going to end well.  For decades, our leaders have been conducting war game scenarios in which a conflict in Ukraine leads to a nuclear war.  Now a conflict in Ukraine could lead to a nuclear war for real.  I feel like I am watching a slow-motion train wreck happen without any way to stop it.  It really is quite a sickening feeling.

We have a very limited window of opportunity to make peace with the Russians, and we are totally blowing it.

In February, I specifically warned that President Trump must not resort to threatening the Russians over the war in Ukraine because it would backfire severely.

When I woke up today, I learned that is exactly what Trump has decided to do.

Trump has issued a very ominous ultimatum.  If Russia does not end the war in Ukraine within 50 days, the U.S. will impose "very severe tariffs" on all nations that do business with Russia.  In addition, Trump has approved a massive new weapons package for Ukraine…

Trump announced July 14 that the United States is sending weapons to NATO, which plans to transfer the equipment to Ukraine, and also threatened steep tariffs aimed at impacting Russia's ability to finance the war.

Trump said that the United States would put secondary tariffs on countries that do business with Russia if a peace deal is not reached within 50 days.

"We're going to be doing very severe tariffs if we don't have a deal in 50 days," Trump said.

The deadline that Trump has set falls in September, which I found to be very interesting.

If Russia does not end the war in Ukraine by the deadline, and that is very unlikely to happen, Trump says that all countries that do business with Russia will be hit with 100 percent tariffs…
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People need to understand the fundamentals, that there is no more free lunch. We're in a 3yr of this conflict, all one sided decisions (the ones that hurt the other side overwhelmingly more than you) have already been applied. We're at the point of even scales, there is nothing that one side can do now that wouldn't lead to equal, if not bigger, negative consequences in return. That's why the situation on the front lines is what it is.

China pledges deeper support for Russia amid Trump tariff threats

France and Italy have refused to participate in Donald Trump’s plan to send US-made weapons to Ukraine.
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France has told allies it will not join the initiative, according to officials briefed on the discussions.

Paris is currently wrangling over its domestic budget and demands to boost its defence spending while navigating concerns over the country’s growing debt pile.

The Italian government has said it will not purchase weapons but could help with the logistics of transporting them to Ukraine, Italian media reported.

“Here there has never been talk of buying American weapons,” the source quoted by the La Stampa newspaper said.

Trump offers EU to help Ukraine by buying American weapons, further sucking money out of already resource poor EU. Trump is now a good guy, and EU is bad by not wanting to send money to US.

Russia launches massive attacks; Trump backtracks from suggestion Ukraine should target Moscow

President Trump told reporters Tuesday that Ukraine should not target Moscow with military attacks and that the U.S. was not looking to give long-range missiles to Kyiv in its ongoing war against Russia.

The only effect these Trump swings have is on morale in Ukraine.

[BADecker]

You are right the Ukraine war is turning into a testing ground, not just for weapons, but for the merging of technology, psychology, and strategy in ways we have never seen before. The idea of using AI and autonomous drones sounds efficient on paper, but it strips away the last remnants of humanity from the battle. It's easier to dehumanize the enemy when you are just a person behind a screen earning points for kills. That kind of system might work for machines, but for humans It is  a recipe for long term mental collapse. And like you said, both sides will eventually match tech-for-tech that’s always been the rhythm of war sword and shield, evolve and counter evolve, But this time the gap between ethics and efficiency is growing too fast. I think what scares me most is that wars could become more frequent if the human cost feels reduced But the psychological scars, the ethical consequences and the wider destabilization might be far worse in the long run. We are heading toward a future where wars are fought like video games.

The problem is that there are evil psychopaths in the world, who aren't happy unless they can disrupt the operations of peaceful people. Search on and read what psychopaths are all about. Most people who get into leadership positions have at least a little psychopathic ambition in them. It's what makes them strive to be leaders.

[paxmao]

At this point, what matters is that the aid to Ukraine is not only back, but it is also bigger. I am guessing that the summer offensive planned by Ruzzia is going to be met with sufficient force while the attacks of oil, weapons and military targets is getting better. I would not be surprised if Ukraine pull another "IKEA delivery" to another airfield in Ruzzia. Or maybe to the fleet in the Baltic.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/