[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

But the hype is already building so big that fans are eagerly waiting for the result of the negotiation. We are being teased that both agreed in terms already, now we hear that one side wanted the contract to be transparent, or whatever that it means.

So it's either we have been duped to believed that the fight is happening, and they even have a date to boot. Or it's not, they are just putting in some works to keep everyone hope alive that they are going to face, but instead it might in the middle of next year, or maybe not.

[TimeTeller]

But the hype is already building so big that fans are eagerly waiting for the result of the negotiation. We are being teased that both agreed in terms already, now we hear that one side wanted the contract to be transparent, or whatever that it means.

So it's either we have been duped to believed that the fight is happening, and they even have a date to boot. Or it's not, they are just putting in some works to keep everyone hope alive that they are going to face, but instead it might in the middle of next year, or maybe not.

The odds posted by the sportsbooks can easily be withdrawn if both camps decided to suspend the fight.
But yes, there's a date already so maybe they are just making some issues to make a scene in the boxing community.
After all, a controversy is always good to promote a fight, and this fight in particular is already a big one.
They are seeing how this one will attract from the boxing fans, and for me, this match is one of the anticipated boxing fights in the last few months of this year.

[carlisle1]

But the hype is already building so big that fans are eagerly waiting for the result of the negotiation. We are being teased that both agreed in terms already, now we hear that one side wanted the contract to be transparent, or whatever that it means.

So it's either we have been duped to believed that the fight is happening, and they even have a date to boot. Or it's not, they are just putting in some works to keep everyone hope alive that they are going to face, but instead it might in the middle of next year, or maybe not.

The odds posted by the sportsbooks can easily be withdrawn if both camps decided to suspend the fight.
But yes, there's a date already so maybe they are just making some issues to make a scene in the boxing community.
After all, a controversy is always good to promote a fight, and this fight in particular is already a big one.
They are seeing how this one will attract from the boxing fans, and for me, this match is one of the anticipated boxing fights in the last few months of this year.

it's anticipated but long been delayed because of something behind that keeps both fighter's camp not to sign the deal.

Not sure if what kind of negotiations are still on progress, but yes with the set dates and bookies already add the fight in the betting list.

They can easily cancel the bet and bring all the money back to the early bettors in-case the fight got cancelled to whatever reason.

[Baofeng]

But the hype is already building so big that fans are eagerly waiting for the result of the negotiation. We are being teased that both agreed in terms already, now we hear that one side wanted the contract to be transparent, or whatever that it means.

So it's either we have been duped to believed that the fight is happening, and they even have a date to boot. Or it's not, they are just putting in some works to keep everyone hope alive that they are going to face, but instead it might in the middle of next year, or maybe not.

The odds posted by the sportsbooks can easily be withdrawn if both camps decided to suspend the fight.

Yes, definitely sportsbookies can update their dates or even delete it totally if the fight is not going to happen.

But yes, there's a date already so maybe they are just making some issues to make a scene in the boxing community.

The date could have been floated by someone around close to the fight, most likely the network.

After all, a controversy is always good to promote a fight, and this fight in particular is already a big one.
They are seeing how this one will attract from the boxing fans, and for me, this match is one of the anticipated boxing fights in the last few months of this year.

That's why fights are promoted, there could be at least a story line. Like in this case, both are champions, so we need to see who is going to be the top dog of the 147 lbs. Undefeated, and still in their prime. So everyone is anticipating this boxing fight and it could even topple the GGG-Canelo numbers as far as PPV numbers.

[Natalim]

They can easily cancel the bet and bring all the money back to the early bettors in-case the fight got cancelled to whatever reason.

Of course, bookies can do that, putting an early lines would attract bettors, and they can even use the money of the early bets, that's in their favor too. Well, hopefully it will not be cancelled but there should be no issue betting early even if there's no announcement yet.

[Getmon]

Who is the coward of these two boxers? I am hearing this talks about they will face each other but we are now in 2022 and nothing has changed but all hype. If I could remember, Terrence Crawford was the undisputed champ at 140 and there were talks already about him and Errol Spence facing each other. We even believed that the fight did not materialize because of different promoters. But now Terrence Crawford as no promoter but there is no deal happening. Everyone will finally see who is ducking who in this situation.

[TravelMug]

Who is the coward of these two boxers? I am hearing this talks about they will face each other but we are now in 2022 and nothing has changed but all hype. If I could remember, Terrence Crawford was the undisputed champ at 140 and there were talks already about him and Errol Spence facing each other. We even believed that the fight did not materialize because of different promoters. But now Terrence Crawford as no promoter but there is no deal happening. Everyone will finally see who is ducking who in this situation.

Well there is a popular belief that Spence is somewhat stalling this fight, not necessarily being coward, but most probably just want to get the lion share of the purse. And we also believed that Crawford has agreed to the 60-40 split. So there should be no hindrance whatsoever.

And yet, the fight is still not being made and we are lead to believed that November is the date. But it's already October and we haven't heard much except what they term as 'agreed in terms'.

[Getmon]

Who is the coward of these two boxers? I am hearing this talks about they will face each other but we are now in 2022 and nothing has changed but all hype. If I could remember, Terrence Crawford was the undisputed champ at 140 and there were talks already about him and Errol Spence facing each other. We even believed that the fight did not materialize because of different promoters. But now Terrence Crawford as no promoter but there is no deal happening. Everyone will finally see who is ducking who in this situation.

Well there is a popular belief that Spence is somewhat stalling this fight, not necessarily being coward, but most probably just want to get the lion share of the purse. And we also believed that Crawford has agreed to the 60-40 split. So there should be no hindrance whatsoever.

And yet, the fight is still not being made and we are lead to believed that November is the date. But it's already October and we haven't heard much except what they term as 'agreed in terms'.

Crawford accepted the smaller split. What else Spence and his team want? There is another problem that appeared. Crawford will receive the smaller split and his split is based on the net income of the fight. It is normal for Crawford to ask for all expenses to be recorded in transparent way if he is only given a share from net revenues. Once again Spence and Al Haymon are silent and hesitant to give Crawford full access to fight expenses. Things are getting messy and smelly. Crawford gettin' tripped here.

[mirakal]

Who is the coward of these two boxers? I am hearing this talks about they will face each other but we are now in 2022 and nothing has changed but all hype. If I could remember, Terrence Crawford was the undisputed champ at 140 and there were talks already about him and Errol Spence facing each other. We even believed that the fight did not materialize because of different promoters. But now Terrence Crawford as no promoter but there is no deal happening. Everyone will finally see who is ducking who in this situation.

Well there is a popular belief that Spence is somewhat stalling this fight, not necessarily being coward, but most probably just want to get the lion share of the purse. And we also believed that Crawford has agreed to the 60-40 split. So there should be no hindrance whatsoever.

And yet, the fight is still not being made and we are lead to believed that November is the date. But it's already October and we haven't heard much except what they term as 'agreed in terms'.

Either way, we cannot verify if it's indeed Spence or Crawford but just like what you said, many believed that Spence is the one who's ducking and not Crawford because the latter is really eager to make the fight happen while Spence and his camp is so silent all this time. We thought that the fight is already a done deal as they are just waiting for the signing of contracts, but just few days after, we received some news that they are again in dispute.

As I was browsing, I found this.

World champions Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford are no closer to signing on the dotted line for a massive Pay Per View.
Despite months of back-and-forth discussions, Spence and Crawford will have to consider alternative opponents shortly.
Jaron Ennis is the next in line to challenge Spence Jr. if an undisputed welterweight title fight with Crawford fails to materialize.

Source: https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2022/10/02/errol-spence-jr-terence-crawford-contract-mess/

[Hypnosis00]

As I was browsing, I found this.

World champions Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford are no closer to signing on the dotted line for a massive Pay Per View.
Despite months of back-and-forth discussions, Spence and Crawford will have to consider alternative opponents shortly.
Jaron Ennis is the next in line to challenge Spence Jr. if an undisputed welterweight title fight with Crawford fails to materialize.

Source: https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2022/10/02/errol-spence-jr-terence-crawford-contract-mess/

This is bad news, though it's also speculation it's not good to see this kind of news that will only disappoint the fans who keep hyping this fight. I don't know why they are still hesitant to make it happen, it's a big PPV fight, both will certainly make huge money.

[robelneo]

As I was browsing, I found this.

World champions Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford are no closer to signing on the dotted line for a massive Pay Per View.
Despite months of back-and-forth discussions, Spence and Crawford will have to consider alternative opponents shortly.
Jaron Ennis is the next in line to challenge Spence Jr. if an undisputed welterweight title fight with Crawford fails to materialize.

Source: https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2022/10/02/errol-spence-jr-terence-crawford-contract-mess/

This is bad news, though it's also speculation it's not good to see this kind of news that will only disappoint the fans who keep hyping this fight. I don't know why they are still hesitant to make it happen, it's a big PPV fight, both will certainly make huge money.

This is a possible scenario since there is no contract to talk about,

Crawford (38-0, 29 KOs) “wants transparency” in regards to event expenses because the terms say nothing of guaranteed money.

the big question is why now they have been negotiating for months, its easy to delay or stop the fight by pointing out something in the contract, in this case, this so-called transparency, now they have the December and January date, after this, we will read more issues and eventually both fighters will look for other fighters to fight, they just take us for a ride, because if they are serious they should have signed the contract earlier.

[freedomgo]

Who is the coward of these two boxers? I am hearing this talks about they will face each other but we are now in 2022 and nothing has changed but all hype. If I could remember, Terrence Crawford was the undisputed champ at 140 and there were talks already about him and Errol Spence facing each other. We even believed that the fight did not materialize because of different promoters. But now Terrence Crawford as no promoter but there is no deal happening. Everyone will finally see who is ducking who in this situation.

Well there is a popular belief that Spence is somewhat stalling this fight, not necessarily being coward, but most probably just want to get the lion share of the purse. And we also believed that Crawford has agreed to the 60-40 split. So there should be no hindrance whatsoever.

And yet, the fight is still not being made and we are lead to believed that November is the date. But it's already October and we haven't heard much except what they term as 'agreed in terms'.

Crawford accepted the smaller split. What else Spence and his team want? There is another problem that appeared. Crawford will receive the smaller split and his split is based on the net income of the fight. It is normal for Crawford to ask for all expenses to be recorded in transparent way if he is only given a share from net revenues. Once again Spence and Al Haymon are silent and hesitant to give Crawford full access to fight expenses. Things are getting messy and smelly. Crawford gettin' tripped here.

It's been widely known by the fans that Crawford is willing to accept the smaller slice of the cake because he knows that Spence has earned the right to get bigger slice, what the man wants is a full transparency, is that really hard to agree? If that's the case then it's somewhat clear that Spence and his camp wants to take as much as they can while they have the advantage and by denying Crawford. Maybe it's time to affect the fact that Spence and his camp have no plans on making the fight happen.

[aioc]

It's been widely known by the fans that Crawford is willing to accept the smaller slice of the cake because he knows that Spence has earned the right to get bigger slice, what the man wants is a full transparency, is that really hard to agree? If that's the case then it's somewhat clear that Spence and his camp wants to take as much as they can while they have the advantage and by denying Crawford. Maybe it's time to affect the fact that Spence and his camp have no plans on making the fight happen.

Jaron Ennis is the mandatory opponent of Spence and this guy has an awesome record he has 29 wins and 27 knockouts and is touted to be the next Floyd Mayweather, Spence is going to get less money on this fight and he will be in trouble against this guy because this is a worthy challenger, this could be the guy that can stop the Spence - Crawford to happen if he beat Spence, Spence should face Crawford because there is huge money that he's going to take than fighting Ennis.

[btc_angela]

It's been widely known by the fans that Crawford is willing to accept the smaller slice of the cake because he knows that Spence has earned the right to get bigger slice, what the man wants is a full transparency, is that really hard to agree? If that's the case then it's somewhat clear that Spence and his camp wants to take as much as they can while they have the advantage and by denying Crawford. Maybe it's time to affect the fact that Spence and his camp have no plans on making the fight happen.

Jaron Ennis is the mandatory opponent of Spence and this guy has an awesome record he has 29 wins and 27 knockouts and is touted to be the next Floyd Mayweather, Spence is going to get less money on this fight and he will be in trouble against this guy because this is a worthy challenger, this could be the guy that can stop the Spence - Crawford to happen if he beat Spence, Spence should face Crawford because there is huge money that he's going to take than fighting Ennis.

And if I'm not mistaken, both have been talking about Ennis for now, I hear Crawford mention him several times in his interview and believed that Ennis is the future but he is also open in facing him and unless there will be no issues with their promotions, this is a good fight as well in my opinion.

But what we are waiting is still the unification fight that we all have been speculating for many months now and so far their is a definitive date but we think that it can't be made on time. There is a demand for this fight so obviously, the money is going to be huge.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

It's been widely known by the fans that Crawford is willing to accept the smaller slice of the cake because he knows that Spence has earned the right to get bigger slice, what the man wants is a full transparency, is that really hard to agree? If that's the case then it's somewhat clear that Spence and his camp wants to take as much as they can while they have the advantage and by denying Crawford. Maybe it's time to affect the fact that Spence and his camp have no plans on making the fight happen.

Jaron Ennis is the mandatory opponent of Spence and this guy has an awesome record he has 29 wins and 27 knockouts and is touted to be the next Floyd Mayweather, Spence is going to get less money on this fight and he will be in trouble against this guy because this is a worthy challenger, this could be the guy that can stop the Spence - Crawford to happen if he beat Spence, Spence should face Crawford because there is huge money that he's going to take than fighting Ennis.

I mean the mandatory seems to be willing to step aside and let them fight? So why not for Spence or Crawford to push for their fight first before anyone else? After this one, they fight their mandatories, have rematch or move up to the next weight class. So it doesn't make sense to fight Ennis because as you have said, less money for either of them. Besides, they are already 30++ years old, although they are still in their prime, but they can't wait for another year and postpone this match.

[Jating]

It's been widely known by the fans that Crawford is willing to accept the smaller slice of the cake because he knows that Spence has earned the right to get bigger slice, what the man wants is a full transparency, is that really hard to agree? If that's the case then it's somewhat clear that Spence and his camp wants to take as much as they can while they have the advantage and by denying Crawford. Maybe it's time to affect the fact that Spence and his camp have no plans on making the fight happen.

Jaron Ennis is the mandatory opponent of Spence and this guy has an awesome record he has 29 wins and 27 knockouts and is touted to be the next Floyd Mayweather, Spence is going to get less money on this fight and he will be in trouble against this guy because this is a worthy challenger, this could be the guy that can stop the Spence - Crawford to happen if he beat Spence, Spence should face Crawford because there is huge money that he's going to take than fighting Ennis.

I have to look at this Jaron Ennis though, I have read a lot about him lately so I might be interested to check him out and how good he is. Next Floyd Mayweather? I don't believed that, maybe they are just hyping him and probably but the next super welterweight that might stay as the champion. But the fight is still Spence vs Crawford, no other option for the 147 lbs, forget about Thurman, Ennis and who is on the radar right now. Spence vs Crawford is what the fans demanded from this promoters and networks.

[harizen]

After some good news about the chances of getting this fight materializing this year, it's now at risk of being jeopardized.

I understand that they don't want to disclose the agreed purse split in public but both parties should be transparent about it between them. We will follow the story and hopefully, it can still be fixed for us to witness to fight this November. If failed, we have to wait for next year. I don't mind waiting instead their match-up will not happen for real.

Errol Spence Jr.-Terence Crawford title fight at risk over dispute on contract details, sources say

Errol Spence Vs. Terence Crawford: Dream Fight In Jeopardy Because Of Contract Dispute

[inthelongrun]

Jaron Ennis is the mandatory opponent of Spence and this guy has an awesome record he has 29 wins and 27 knockouts and is touted to be the next Floyd Mayweather, Spence is going to get less money on this fight and he will be in trouble against this guy because this is a worthy challenger, this could be the guy that can stop the Spence - Crawford to happen if he beat Spence, Spence should face Crawford because there is huge money that he's going to take than fighting Ennis.

I would love these sanctioning bodies to start their mandatories now. I'm sick of Spence and PBC playing shit for many years and nothing serious. But I know that these sanctioning bodies can be negotiated secretly except maybe the IBF.

 

I have here the current top 10 rankings of the welterweight division taken from wiki. So yes, it is really Jarron Ennis as IBF number 1. I really really hope that the IBF starts calling for a mandatory defense. I actually believe that Spence will also duck Ennis as he is too risky with low returns. I can smell PBC and Spence trying hard to tell IBF to not declare a mandatory defense since Spence moves up soon.

The welterweight division is stacked with young prospects that are very dangerous of which Bud and Spence might rather move up in weight for bigger money and new title achievement goals. The division got Vergil Ortiz, Eimantas Stanionis, Jarron Ennis, and former undisputed super lightweight champion Josh Taylor might also move up after his next fight. It's a shame sanctioning bodies are ignoring Radzhab Butaev after his very close decision defeat to Stanionis. I believe these guys will beat Keith Thurman. They are also probably the reason why Danny Garcia move up in weight rather than fighting them.

[Questat]

You can ask OP to make a poll on this particular fight, for sure it will be a very close race and I'm not certain who will win although we already have an idea on the betting odds of this fight. Well, both are champions, since Spence is also very confident, then maybe betting on himself will probably give him more money.

I think most people here are looking forward to Terence Crawford winning the match because they think Spence Jr. is a coward and this fight should happen a long time now, not realizing that it's not actually Spence should they blame why this match takes too long to become official.

Although moving forward, we should not bring up the past as this fight is now closer to happening compared to before when it was just a plan.

We will only know that if there's a poll, I notice that most of us here are rooting for Crawford but there are voters that are not participating in the discussion, so that poll is really important for us to know the heart of the majority.

Spence Jr is a coward? maybe, but he is still undefeated, in fact, he has more belts than Crawford and he just wants to dictate the fight negotiation.

I'm not sure if this fight is gonna happen, but if not, we know who's to blame I guess.  

Including me, I have no doubt that Crawford have the higher hand here compared to Spence and he's likely going to win. Crawford is fearless and doesn't really care that much whom he will face next, as long as you're in the way or you're a belt holder, sooner or later you will have your chance to fight Crawford because he's aiming for legacy and not for money fights.

Although this time around, Crawford is demanding or asking the opposite camp to be transparent and that may be the reason why the fight has been delayed to December or January.

That can be used as an excuse though, it's not good because it will only make the fight delayed or worst not gonna happen due to a fighter so demanding. They have terms to agreed on, if they'll not agree in all the terms, then it's safe to assume that no fight is gonna happen, our job of hyping this fight is going to be useless.

[Jating]

^ Again, the fight has been hype already and to that point that it seems that our waiting is turning into disappointment because of the time that we have to wait and then we don't know if who is balking or stalling or if they have the contracts but a lot of points to be cleared. Hopefully that talks is still going on secretly as they don't want to preempt to get leak to the media as this is a very important fight in the division, it's a unification fight and I don't remember when it did happen at 147 lbs.