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June 09, 2024, 01:28:22 AM
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Maddison was a complete shit with Tottenham this season, Ben Chilwell couldn't even get a starting spot in a mediocre Chelsea team, Luke Shaw and Kyle Walker are two England players that have good pace and can be used as CB when the need arise in certain matches, England have great pace in attack and wide areas of the midfield but when it comes to playing teams that have also got pace in attack, I really don't see a better choice for them at the back than having either Kyle Walker or Luke Shaw help with CB defensive duties, because the choice of either Trippier and/or Arnold as we all know lack pace and are extremely vulnerable in defense compared to either Walker or Shaw.

Jack Grealish barely played for City this past season and the options called ahead of him are literally very much justified, who would you rather drop for Grealish ?? Foden, Gordon or Eze, each and every of these players had a much better season than Grealish in terms of form and performance... Would anybody pick Maddison over Cole Palmer or Jude Bellingham ?

If you all are mentioning Grealish, Chilwell and Maddison, you might as well just add Raheem Sterling, Reece James and Marcus Rashford since it seems rather just more about the players name, than what they can currently offer or what the squads actually need!
If we're mentioning players, there's more of them that Gareth Southgate have dropped from his squad based on realizing their incompetence and peak.

Maddison is among one of the best players for Tottenham Hotspur this season but he has completely failed to make progress other than picking up severe injury that will keep him unbalance. England have one of the best category of players but they've failed to win any significant any major title. They've always fall out from these top phased which is quite understanding.

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June 09, 2024, 06:45:32 AM
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Do you think, whom are those "average or a little above average quality" players? just because they're not joining in top teams or popular, it doesn't mean they're low quality players.

Rashford, Maddison, Sterling, Sancho, Chilwell, James, Ben White, and Grealish are big players, but their performance aren't excellent in this season and there are better players that playing in the same position like them.

Example, attacking midfielder, although Maddison played well for Tottenham, but Bellingham and Gallagher way better than him.
I don't say about those players who are big names and experienced with their clubs and England national team in previous World Cup, Euro. Players I meant are young players who only have some matches in this season and Southgate decided to call them for this Euro 2024. You know Jude Bellingham was not called for England team in Euro 2021.

Kobbie Mainoo (Manchester United), Adam Wharton (Crystal Palace) are two young midfielders in England team for this Euro. Jude Bellingham is young too but he is at different and higher level than Mainoo and Wharton. Southgate only have Declan Rice as an experienced and good defensive midfielder for this Euro. He will have to pray that Declan Rice will not have injury and will play well for England.

These callings of Southgate contain so much risk for England team in Euro 2024.

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June 09, 2024, 07:03:31 AM
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Maddison was a complete shit with Tottenham this season, Ben Chilwell couldn't even get a starting spot in a mediocre Chelsea team, Luke Shaw and Kyle Walker are two England players that have good pace and can be used as CB when the need arise in certain matches, England have great pace in attack and wide areas of the midfield but when it comes to playing teams that have also got pace in attack, I really don't see a better choice for them at the back than having either Kyle Walker or Luke Shaw help with CB defensive duties, because the choice of either Trippier and/or Arnold as we all know lack pace and are extremely vulnerable in defense compared to either Walker or Shaw.

Jack Grealish barely played for City this past season and the options called ahead of him are literally very much justified, who would you rather drop for Grealish ?? Foden, Gordon or Eze, each and every of these players had a much better season than Grealish in terms of form and performance... Would anybody pick Maddison over Cole Palmer or Jude Bellingham ?

If you all are mentioning Grealish, Chilwell and Maddison, you might as well just add Raheem Sterling, Reece James and Marcus Rashford since it seems rather just more about the players name, than what they can currently offer or what the squads actually need!

Madder wasn't shiit, he was brilliant not until the game against Chelsea as he got Injured. I be wishing that never happened but this is reality. In the areas he plays, the names you have mentioned had great impacts than him yeah, I did not look at it that way until your post but then, Jude Bellingham Is no number 10 player people should know that, he is a box to box man. Cole Palmer deserves it, he's earned it and he'll do well I'm certain.

Jack Grealish has been a joke no doubts. I didn't see much games of Eze but displacing Gordon and Phil Foden would be crazy. Southgate made the right call in these areas no arguments but what's the importance of Alexander Arnold in midfied? Weak with defending, maybe his passing skills enough to earn him a place. I don't fancy him.

Luke Shaw barely played a game, all you said was about his pace ( that I don't argue ) but he seems tested and trusted. It's all upon Southgate and how these lads play. This would possibly be his last if he doesn't win it. Godspeed to the best side. Vamos!!

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June 09, 2024, 09:01:46 AM
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I couldn't follow the match properly but from what I heard, Portugal did have at least another clear opportunity to score but failed, same goes for Croatia, so at the end there wasn't big difference and Croatia merit that victory.
Well, all I can say is that you heard it wrong as Croatia was clearly better and it could have ended much worse for Portugal if we had a little bit more composure.


After all, this remains an unofficial game since their last official face to face matches ended with Portugal victories if I am not mistaken.
Friendly games are also official games. Anyway, this is the first time that we managed to beat Portugal and it was the last big team that we didn't beat before.

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June 09, 2024, 09:44:50 AM
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Euro 2024 will start next week. The last friendly matches are being played these days. And we are seeing some surprise results. That's why I try not to bet on friendly matches. But when the schedule is not rich, I have to. Cheesy Tonight's match between Italy and Bosnia and Herzegovina caught my attention. Italy is in Euro 2024. Bosnia and Herzegovina is not in Euro 2024. It will be an interesting match. I won't bet again. But I watched Italy last time when they played against Turkiye. Bosnia and Herzegovina will not be an easy opponent for them, even if it is a friendly match. I think under 2,5 goals in this match.

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June 09, 2024, 10:15:57 AM
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Jack Grealish has been a joke no doubts. I didn't see much games of Eze but displacing Gordon and Phil Foden would be crazy. Southgate made the right call in these areas no arguments but what's the importance of Alexander Arnold in midfied? Weak with defending, maybe his passing skills enough to earn him a place. I don't fancy him.

Arnold will play very well in the midfield, I was thinking his skills are being wasted as a right back. If he is giving more privileges to advance in games in the midfield he will be able to give out more passes and get more assist. There are better right backs in the England team than him and he deserves to have a place in the team. Southgate has his last opportunity to bring home a trophy with the squad because England has a very good squad that should be able to win the Euros. He should make use of Bellingham because he is very good at playing false nine. Harry Kane should be used as a super sub and not the main striker because he is getting too old and this is not club football that he has being dominating. England has to win the Euros and they are favourites.

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June 09, 2024, 10:41:54 AM
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I couldn't follow the match properly but from what I heard, Portugal did have at least another clear opportunity to score but failed, same goes for Croatia, so at the end there wasn't big difference and Croatia merit that victory.
Well, all I can say is that you heard it wrong as Croatia was clearly better and it could have ended much worse for Portugal if we had a little bit more composure.

After all, this remains an unofficial game since their last official face to face matches ended with Portugal victories if I am not mistaken.
Friendly games are also official games. Anyway, this is the first time that we managed to beat Portugal and it was the last big team that we didn't beat before.

The bookies made a lot of money yesterday because only a few doubted the victory of Portugal, but that's always the case with those who bet on teams just because they think that Portugal is better than Croatia because they have Ronaldo - who was officially announced that he won't even play in that match. Underestimating tactics is not something that should be practiced in sports today, but it is only an opportunity for those who know how to use it.

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June 09, 2024, 12:43:13 PM
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Truthfully I don't think friendly matches are called "official matches". If we call them like that then what matches can we call not official?  Smiley  Friendly ones are only like a warm-up for an official competition. Just as the recent friendly matches right before Euro 2024. Teams prefer not to risk their best players too much at the same time so we don't see the same starting elevens in a friendly compared to the Euro.

Even the Nations League looks like a not much serious competition for me.  Tongue  We don't see the same ambition from players when we compare it to Euro or World Cup performances.

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June 09, 2024, 01:35:22 PM
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yesterday there were friendly games and I decided to add some friendly games to my multibet bet, as they were games it was easy to predict the result, so I didn't see a problem with adding a lot of games, especially because the odds were very low, but man, when I woke up today and I went to see my bet, I was really shocked by this:



 Shocked Shocked Shocked

They lost against Iceland, I know it was a friendly game and that in most friendly games the coaches choose not to put the best players on the field, but in these friendlies most coaches are playing with their best players and England also put their best players on the field, but England still failed to score a goal and lost the game. which shocked me because even the low odds value in favor of England made me think that England would hardly lose in this game. As I already said in my last post: I highly doubt that England will be able to beat this euro. see that in the last 5 games in which England played against Iceland, this is the first time that they failed to score 1 goal
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Perfectly understand your pain, i had it with Liverpool losing at home to Luton.
I don’t know how natural this result was and how much it was determined by the friendly nature of the game, but now I also very much doubt England’s prospects. But not because they play poorly, but because of a scandal with allegedly racist overtones (English newspapers made Saka the face of defeat, although he only came as a substitute) and this could affect the team.

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June 09, 2024, 01:56:57 PM
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Perfectly understand your pain, i had it with Liverpool losing at home to Luton.
I don’t know how natural this result was and how much it was determined by the friendly nature of the game, but now I also very much doubt England’s prospects. But not because they play poorly, but because of a scandal with allegedly racist overtones (English newspapers made Saka the face of defeat, although he only came as a substitute) and this could affect the team.
Remembering that pain Liverpool once lost at home to Anfield against Atalanta. Haha

Is this a lack of confidence by the England national team? Although friendlies have no value but they have a little influence at least before the EURO is about to start especially what you said there is racism which of course this will affect the entire England national team squad.

I doubt the England national team now but don't know completely when the EURO starts, we have to see how England plays when the EURO starts but honestly still doubt it to bet on this national team.

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June 09, 2024, 02:05:11 PM
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Maddison was a complete shit with Tottenham this season, Ben Chilwell couldn't even get a starting spot in a mediocre Chelsea team, Luke Shaw and Kyle Walker are two England players that have good pace and can be used as CB when the need arise in certain matches, England have great pace in attack and wide areas of the midfield but when it comes to playing teams that have also got pace in attack, I really don't see a better choice for them at the back than having either Kyle Walker or Luke Shaw help with CB defensive duties, because the choice of either Trippier and/or Arnold as we all know lack pace and are extremely vulnerable in defense compared to either Walker or Shaw.

Jack Grealish barely played for City this past season and the options called ahead of him are literally very much justified, who would you rather drop for Grealish ?? Foden, Gordon or Eze, each and every of these players had a much better season than Grealish in terms of form and performance... Would anybody pick Maddison over Cole Palmer or Jude Bellingham ?

If you all are mentioning Grealish, Chilwell and Maddison, you might as well just add Raheem Sterling, Reece James and Marcus Rashford since it seems rather just more about the players name, than what they can currently offer or what the squads actually need!
If we're mentioning players, there's more of them that Gareth Southgate have dropped from his squad based on realizing their incompetence and peak.

Maddison is among one of the best players for Tottenham Hotspur this season but he has completely failed to make progress other than picking up severe injury that will keep him unbalance. England have one of the best category of players but they've failed to win any significant any major title. They've always fall out from these top phased which is quite understanding.
Gareth Southgate isn't a fan of Madison even if he Madison win the player of the season Southgate won't still fancy him. How many times has he invited Madison to the England squad? Even when Madison was playing good Southgate will still over look him so I'm not surprised why he hurriedly remove him from the squad. Tottenham finished ahead of Chelsea and far ahead of crystal palace still players from Chelsea and Crystal palace were considered ahead of Madison which is very bad. Madison had a very good season at Tottenham before and after the injury. The few times Southgate invited Madison to the national team, he hardly feature him, which completely show his hatred for him. This is just the breakout season for players like Mainoo and  palmer and you already trusting them more than your old players. I'm just waiting patiently to see how England will perform in this tournament.

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June 09, 2024, 02:29:42 PM
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Gareth Southgate isn't a fan of Madison even if he Madison win the player of the season Southgate won't still fancy him. How many times has he invited Madison to the England squad? Even when Madison was playing good Southgate will still over look him so I'm not surprised why he hurriedly remove him from the squad. Tottenham finished ahead of Chelsea and far ahead of crystal palace still players from Chelsea and Crystal palace were considered ahead of Madison which is very bad. Madison had a very good season at Tottenham before and after the injury. The few times Southgate invited Madison to the national team, he hardly feature him, which completely show his hatred for him. This is just the breakout season for players like Mainoo and  palmer and you already trusting them more than your old players. I'm just waiting patiently to see how England will perform in this tournament.

If we are going to based off James Maddison’s exclusion from the squad to a baseless fact of Gareth Southgate not being a fan of his, then it’s an insult to guys who have merited their spot on the list, If Maddison had deserve the call better than anyone else who the play similar in the list then I could agree with you, but in this case that’s not true, at least from my point of view, even when Maguire was facing backlash in Man United, Southgate consistently had him in the squad, so now that there is supposedly a better option and limited spot would it be fair to presume that Southgate just doesn’t like Maguire, rather than him just doing his job and selecting players that best suit his approach and squad needs ?

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June 09, 2024, 02:47:08 PM
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If we are going to based off James Maddison’s exclusion from the squad to a baseless fact of Gareth Southgate not being a fan of his, then it’s an insult to guys who have merited their spot on the list, If Maddison had deserve the call better than anyone else who the play similar in the list then I could agree with you, but in this case that’s not true, at least from my point of view
I consider Maddison can be more helpful for England in Euro than Mainoo or Wharton but Southgate want to bet and on young players than on experienced one like Maddison. Young players need to be given opportunities but Jude Bellingham had to miss Euro 2020 before was chosen for World Cup 2022. Mainoo and Wharton can wait for two more years to be called for England team in a big competition.

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even when Maguire was facing backlash in Man United, Southgate consistently had him in the squad, so now that there is supposedly a better option and limited spot would it be fair to presume that Southgate just doesn’t like Maguire, rather than him just doing his job and selecting players that best suit his approach and squad needs ?
Southgate did make surprising decision because I thought he will continue to call Maguire for this Euro but at the end, he did not pick Maguire but he made me surprised more by choosing Luke Shaw. He only called one left defender Luke Shaw and the player missed most matches of the season. He bets that Luke Shaw can contribute for the team and hope that other right defenders can replace that left position if Luke Shaw can not play.

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June 09, 2024, 03:21:53 PM
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Euro 2024 will start next week. The last friendly matches are being played these days. And we are seeing some surprise results. That's why I try not to bet on friendly matches. But when the schedule is not rich, I have to. Cheesy Tonight's match between Italy and Bosnia and Herzegovina caught my attention. Italy is in Euro 2024. Bosnia and Herzegovina is not in Euro 2024. It will be an interesting match. I won't bet again. But I watched Italy last time when they played against Turkiye. Bosnia and Herzegovina will not be an easy opponent for them, even if it is a friendly match. I think under 2,5 goals in this match.

According to the schedule, until the 12th there was still a team from the European Continent who would carry out a friendly match if the schedule was not canceled. The team that will play on that date is Portugal vs Ireland. The euro group stage will begin on June 15.

Betting in a friendly match is very risky because the results may be very different from the analysis conducted given the seriousness of each national team will be different from the seriousness of undergoing matches in the official tournament.

I will refrain from betting on a friendly match that will be played by several good teams that take place in several places.

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June 09, 2024, 03:39:10 PM
Last edit: June 09, 2024, 03:53:05 PM by Rikafip
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The bookies made a lot of money yesterday because only a few doubted the victory of Portugal, but that's always the case with those who bet on teams just because they think that Portugal is better than Croatia because they have Ronaldo - who was officially announced that he won't even play in that match
To be honest, I don't think that either bookies or those who like to bet underestimated us. We played against a very good side on their turf, and on top of that we had (and still do) a very bad score against them - 1 draw and 6 defeats.


Truthfully I don't think friendly matches are called "official matches".
Of course they are official matches as Fifa counts them for ranking and players count caps and goals. They are of course not as importanat as WC/Continental championships but they are very much official so I just don't understand from where you get your reasoning other than ignorance.

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June 09, 2024, 05:13:31 PM
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Perfectly understand your pain, i had it with Liverpool losing at home to Luton.
I don’t know how natural this result was and how much it was determined by the friendly nature of the game, but now I also very much doubt England’s prospects. But not because they play poorly, but because of a scandal with allegedly racist overtones (English newspapers made Saka the face of defeat, although he only came as a substitute) and this could affect the team.
Remembering that pain Liverpool once lost at home to Anfield against Atalanta. Haha

Is this a lack of confidence by the England national team? Although friendlies have no value but they have a little influence at least before the EURO is about to start especially what you said there is racism which of course this will affect the entire England national team squad.

I doubt the England national team now but don't know completely when the EURO starts, we have to see how England plays when the EURO starts but honestly still doubt it to bet on this national team.

I remember that game, but these are, on the contrary, pleasant memories because I remember that the odds for Liverpool to win were something like 1.3 and it seemed to me completely inadequate because Atalanta is a decent team, and Liverpool was focused on the Premier League. I didn’t place a bet that time and naturally I was very pleased, since Liverpool unexpectedly lost 3-0.

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Euro 2024 will start next week. The last friendly matches are being played these days. And we are seeing some surprise results. That's why I try not to bet on friendly matches. But when the schedule is not rich, I have to. Cheesy Tonight's match between Italy and Bosnia and Herzegovina caught my attention. Italy is in Euro 2024. Bosnia and Herzegovina is not in Euro 2024. It will be an interesting match. I won't bet again. But I watched Italy last time when they played against Turkiye. Bosnia and Herzegovina will not be an easy opponent for them, even if it is a friendly match. I think under 2,5 goals in this match.
This is the last friendly match for Italy before they fight at Euro 2024 and indeed just like people says friendly match cannot be used as the reference the performance of the particular teams in the real tournament because usually for friendly matches some of the managers doesn't care about the results so win or lost it doesn't matter for them but usually friendly matches is utilized to analyzed the weaknesses of the team even so with this match because Spaletti said he will used the match against Bosnia and Herzegovina to evaluated team condition before playing at Euro 2024 later

Spaletti has been said Bosnia and Herzegovina is very good for counter attack so today he will assume Bosnia and Herzegovina will playing with defensive style so that's why he was predict there won't be many goals scored but Spaletti still hope Italy can gets positive result from this match because it will boosted Italy players confidence and about the result of this match i still considers Italy have good chances to beat Bosnia and Herzegovina but indeed for betting option i have to agree with you that under 2.5 goals is good pick

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June 09, 2024, 07:14:01 PM
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Euro 2024 will start next week. The last friendly matches are being played these days. And we are seeing some surprise results. That's why I try not to bet on friendly matches. But when the schedule is not rich, I have to. Cheesy Tonight's match between Italy and Bosnia and Herzegovina caught my attention. Italy is in Euro 2024. Bosnia and Herzegovina is not in Euro 2024. It will be an interesting match. I won't bet again. But I watched Italy last time when they played against Turkiye. Bosnia and Herzegovina will not be an easy opponent for them, even if it is a friendly match. I think under 2,5 goals in this match.
According to the schedule, until the 12th there was still a team from the European Continent who would carry out a friendly match if the schedule was not canceled. The team that will play on that date is Portugal vs Ireland. The euro group stage will begin on June 15.

Betting in a friendly match is very risky because the results may be very different from the analysis conducted given the seriousness of each national team will be different from the seriousness of undergoing matches in the official tournament.

I will refrain from betting on a friendly match that will be played by several good teams that take place in several places.
I agree that there is no point in betting on a friendly, most teams are just testing the "who should stay" players, not their best players because they already know which players will stay if they are good enough, so only the ones who are not entirely sure are playing to see which one is better. On the other hand, when euro 2024 starts, as someone who has betted on these before I can say that I have seen worse situations before as well, doesn't really feel like it would be all that much better neither.

The best thing to do right now would be just making sure that you trust your bet very much before you could end up with anything better. I personally believe that it will take a while for people to get used to it, but that doesn't mean that we are going to end up with a great result. I have wagered on many great teams and lost a lot of money before, because these are good players but they rarely play together.

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I think it's time to make a quick prediction guys , right ? I will start this one.

1st. England ( going with England because in theory they have the best team and also they are a finalist from previous Euro and that should give them a pretty great boost )

2nd. Spain ( I can never count out tiki-taka Spain from actually reaching a final but if they do , I don't see them winning this time )

3rd. France ( this team in theory should win but after losing world cup final , can they regroup to give us another legendary run towards final ? I doubt it ).

4th. Italy ( because they are the actually winners from previous euro and the experience of this team is massive and you can never count them off )

Disappointments? I think Germany and Croatia will not even reach quarter-finals...but this are just my assumptions. Same can be said for Belgium who are kinda losing that golden team they had on previous years  Grin

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I think it's time to make a quick prediction guys , right ? I will start this one.

1st. England ( going with England because in theory they have the best team and also they are a finalist from previous Euro and that should give them a pretty great boost )

2nd. Spain ( I can never count out tiki-taka Spain from actually reaching a final but if they do , I don't see them winning this time )

3rd. France ( this team in theory should win but after losing world cup final , can they regroup to give us another legendary run towards final ? I doubt it ).

4th. Italy ( because they are the actually winners from previous euro and the experience of this team is massive and you can never count them off )

Disappointments? I think Germany and Croatia will not even reach quarter-finals...but this are just my assumptions. Same can be said for Belgium who are kinda losing that golden team they had on previous years  Grin
Overall I agree with you, but Germany deserves to be the favorite because they act as host for this edition, which can encourage them to have high self confidence. Apart from that, Belgium fate is actually almost the same as England, they have a golden generation but failed to perform according to expectations. I have to admit that England currently has better and more even squad depth.

I will put France, Germany, England, Italy, Croatia, Portugal, Spain and Belgium, of course this may also not be in accordance with many people opinions, and that is only based on simple analysis such as looking at the performance of the players at their club level. Apart from all that, it is possible that EURO 2024 will be won by a surprise team this time, recently there have been lots happen of surprises in football.

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