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[Igebotz]

Well i have again to come with this, i think we need to void the possesion question, the UEFA web sadly colleted porrly the statistic for possesion, i dont know why that happen but its clearly demostrable (more if you see the game). I know this its not pleasant but anyone has to say this.

Look at this.

Give up man, sorry don't try to be smart  Even if it's a bug, there's no way to validate it; if UEFA says it's 49-51 ball possession, then that's what it is. As this is a UEFA competition question, whatever numbers they provided will be used by the bookmakers rather than some random sofacores site. passes attempted and passes completed are two different stats, Sofa score added both i guess.

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Now that I've looked at the spreadsheet, I can see why you want that question to be nullified.

First to all i dont know why you attack me personally, and also you can see i see the other question was not clear and i come and i say that and that not benefit me, i only try to pursuit the true.
So what are you gonna say?. Even if im defending myself what have this wrong?.

Sorry Mate I did not make a personal attack on you, man; I simply voiced my opinion because it affects me as well. If you have any concerns, you have every right to voice them and back them up with your sources.

I checked livescore(.)cz, livescore(.)com, and flashscores(.)mobi (the popular score sites) and their stats all tally with the UEFA stats except for sofascores, which has completely different stats from all the games yesterday, and the stats for the Portugal-Liechtenstein match are the same on all the popular score sites except Sofascores, which has completely different numbers. Sofascore is untrustworthy; they tamper with every game.


Furthermore, you cannot calculate possession simply by watching the game; there are criteria. I watched part of the first half and the English were in complete control of the game; the Italians only began eating back possession in the last 20 minutes when Shaw was sent off. England sat back for the last 20mins of the game.


Are we going to go with the outcome based on what Sofascore says if other official websites state YES and Sofascore states NO? is there no enough proof from all other games yesterday that sofascore got all wrong?

Oh and darxiaomi yes Igebotz is a silly boi, but it's okay, you can sling insults at him too, he likes the attention.

hahahah, come on i did shit! there was no need for him to be emotional, i didn't wake the dragon this time did I? and  trofo don't tell me you fell for it too.

Lol. yes the goal gave me a life line but then if England hadn't been so dominant in the first and lost the dominance and being one man down, it would have been an entirely different story, it was you who got lucky with that question because we both could have missed it as well, the truth is I still have significant level of confidence, I danced to your tune, and some questions I answered was because of what I knew you'd settle for too, so for each I question I'm convinced about my answer I try to go for the easiest I think you'd likely go for too, but then the England question isn't one of them, I knew the clause attached to England dominating, If the score had remain goalless at halftime, or it was Italy with the lead, England would definitely have dominated both possession and the passes significantly.

The instant James and Galla were introduced, I knew England would stop caring about possession. However, Italy only managed to make 1 shot throughout the entire game, which was bad play on their part. What do you think of the game between France and Holland?

[arallmuus]

Sofascore is untrustworthy; they tamper with every game.

Never knew about this. I guess I'll avoid them from now on


Anyway to avoid any 'confusion' like this in the future, probably we should settle on using specific website for the statistics of the questions? Probably settle on two trustworthy site like flashscore and livescore


@Slissy : -1 for me so far and I guess today's questions dont matter at all because we had the same answers for both. iirc we voided the Norway question wasnt it so I need to get the last two questions correctly or else Im going to settle with another loss or draw again 

[Harkorede]

What do you think of the game between France and Holland?

I really don't know man!

France are already 3 goals up, and it's barely 20 minutes, So, I think France are going to get really comfortable now, and it could lead to a
Netherland's goal, but if they are going to school they should better make sure they score more than one goal  

It's total shambles from the Netherlands, they lack every thing especially any form of organization.

[Jinetics1111]

Man KDB was a non factor in this game Stormzy was the man most definitely

Hat trick to boot 

Its all good Cryptofrka we will meet again congrats on the win

[Harkorede]

Man KDB was a non factor in this game Stormzy was the man most definitely

I really didn't even remember answering that question, but seeing I picked No, I was sure I did.

Thanks to Memphis Depay for bailing me out, Netherlands barely had any attacking threat all night long until the unfortunate inadvertent handball from Dayot Upamencano gave them the chance at a consolation goal, but they couldn't utilize it, and the ball fell kindly Depay yet again and another brilliant save from the keeper to keep it out.

[Igebotz]

What do you think of the game between France and Holland?

I really don't know man!

France are already 3 goals up, and it's barely 20 minutes, So, I think France are going to get really comfortable now, and it could lead to a
Netherland's goal, but if they are going to school they should better make sure they score more than one goal 

It's total shambles from the Netherlands, they lack every thing especially any form of organization.

the netherland line up is so average, there was no way they were going to get anything from this game, the virus outbreak in their camp screwed me up since most of their first team players were sent home, I didnt see this coming, kudos on that point. We are now focus on the Sunday game to see how things turn out. It's been a fun ride thus far.

Kelvin poor form with the Belgium national team continues ,3 goals with zero contributions says alot.

Anyway to avoid any 'confusion' like this in the future, probably we should settle on using specific website for the statistics of the questions? Probably settle on two trustworthy site like flashscore and livescore

sofascores got all the stats for tonight games all wrong again.

Thanks to Memphis Depay for bailing me out, Netherlands barely had any attacking threat all night long until the unfortunate inadvertent handball from Dayot Upamencano gave them the chance at a consolation goal, but they couldn't utilize it, and the ball fell kindly Depay yet again and another brilliant save from the keeper to keep it out.

Didn't bother watching the game after i saw the line up

[Trofo]

I checked livescore(.)cz, livescore(.)com, and flashscores(.)mobi (the popular score sites) and their stats all tally with the UEFA stats except for sofascores, which has completely different stats from all the games yesterday, and the stats for the Portugal-Liechtenstein match are the same on all the popular score sites except Sofascores, which has completely different numbers. Sofascore is untrustworthy; they tamper with every game.

Those are not reputable sites those are all data scrapers that are getting their info probably from UEFA page. Sofascore isn't any better, they are just using different source. There are some other pages which I trust more, they are all giving possession advantage to Italy but I am also not sure about their source. UEFA site is wrong about this game, I am 100% sure about passing stat at least. Possession seems wrong as well but I am not 100% sure about that. Will do more research tomorrow.

Doesn't matter in the end, it is our problem and we will grade it to the best of our abilities. If we get confirmation about stats from reputable bookies I will consider that as correct answer. If we don't get it we will do the best we can.


And I am well used to your style of writing, reading all your posts every week so it would be quite something if you manage to surprise me 

[cryptofrka]

Anyway to avoid any 'confusion' like this in the future, probably we should settle on using specific website for the statistics of the questions? Probably settle on two trustworthy site like flashscore and livescore

We settled for the Uefa's one - which should be the most trustworthy.
We're now checking if they potentially made some mistakes.

Its all good Cryptofrka we will meet again congrats on the win

I got off the hook yeah, I expected both games to be low scoring ones.

Malta saved me, though, thanks minnows.

Nope, they did not. Re-read the question, you need them to score on Sunday

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Regarding the Italy - England game, we'll probably rewatch it. Will let you know tomorrow.

[Igebotz]

I checked livescore(.)cz, livescore(.)com, and flashscores(.)mobi (the popular score sites) and their stats all tally with the UEFA stats except for sofascores, which has completely different stats from all the games yesterday, and the stats for the Portugal-Liechtenstein match are the same on all the popular score sites except Sofascores, which has completely different numbers. Sofascore is untrustworthy; they tamper with every game.

Those are not reputable sites those are all data scrapers that are getting their info probably from UEFA page. Sofascore isn't any better, they are just using different source. There are some other pages which I trust more, they are all giving possession advantage to Italy but I am also not sure about their source. UEFA site is wrong about this game, I am 100% sure about passing stat at least. Possession seems wrong as well but I am not 100% sure about that. Will do more research tomorrow.

Doesn't matter in the end, it is our problem and we will grade it to the best of our abilities. If we get confirmation about stats from reputable bookies I will consider that as correct answer. If we don't get it we will do the best we can.

I noticed that the England-Italy game is marked out on the spreadsheet; not following the UEFA official stats for all games will only create doubts; at the very least, if you believe the UEFA is incompetent/made mistake, you should provide data from other sources., I've scroll through about 10 famous score sites and its all the same but there is nothing wrong with digging deep into the shaky water. Good luck.

And I am well used to your style of writing, reading all your posts every week so it would be quite something if you manage to surprise me  

My personal text says alot about 

[Slissy]

Sofascore is untrustworthy; they tamper with every game.

Never knew about this. I guess I'll avoid them from now on


Anyway to avoid any 'confusion' like this in the future, probably we should settle on using specific website for the statistics of the questions? Probably settle on two trustworthy site like flashscore and livescore


@Slissy : -1 for me so far and I guess today's questions dont matter at all because we had the same answers for both. iirc we voided the Norway question wasnt it so I need to get the last two questions correctly or else Im going to settle with another loss or draw again 

Unbelievable that you didn't get points! I imagined that now I lose 2-3 points or at least 1 point😂 When England led 2-1 with one less player there was a big chance for 2-2 but luckily not😂
The Denmark match was 1-1 until the 82nd minute, then I gave up, but then it became 2-1 and then the last 3-1 in 90+3 minutes! It was maximum bad luck on your part and lucky me😂

I have gone through many pages and many have 58%-42 to Italy. and then many have 49-51% To England.
I watched the match myself and am sure that Italy won the ball possession.

But I don't want to win any points this way when we are unsure of the answer.

[arallmuus]

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Unbelievable that you didn't get points![/quote]

Yeah I guess Im unlucky to some extent lol

I imagined that now I lose 2-3 points or at least 1 point😂 When England led 2-1 with one less player there was a big chance for 2-2 but luckily not. The Denmark match was 1-1 until the 82nd minute, then I gave up, but then it became 2-1 and then the last 3-1 in 90+3 minutes! It was maximum bad luck on your part and lucky me😂😂

Its totally true, I had a good chance. I took draw so its either I got point from this or I dont and you wont get anything so that was to my advantage but it didnt happen. The Denmark's game was the total shitass for me because I thought it would end with 2-1 then I would have still got points from that but meh another unlucky streak for me 

[Harkorede]

Anyway to avoid any 'confusion' like this in the future, probably we should settle on using specific website for the statistics of the questions? Probably settle on two trustworthy site like flashscore and livescore

We settled for the Uefa's one - which should be the most trustworthy.
We're now checking if they potentially made some mistakes.

The current result doesn't favor me, but since it's a UEFA competition their results should be the final and the most legitimate one to consider, It's just like the FPL issue we had a few weeks back with a Solly March goal, if we had organized the fantasy manually, we pro ably would have had to change the result, right ? but it's still the FPL decision that mattered, so incase of irregularities like this, you should stick to the organizers of the event.

[Trofo]

Anyway to avoid any 'confusion' like this in the future, probably we should settle on using specific website for the statistics of the questions? Probably settle on two trustworthy site like flashscore and livescore

We settled for the Uefa's one - which should be the most trustworthy.
We're now checking if they potentially made some mistakes.

The current result doesn't favor me, but since it's a UEFA competition their results should be the final and the most legitimate one to consider, It's just like the FPL issue we had a few weeks back with a Solly March goal, if we had organized the fantasy manually, we pro ably would have had to change the result, right ? but it's still the FPL decision that mattered, so incase of irregularities like this, you should stick to the organizers of the event.

I don't agree with this since this isn't really a situation open to interpretation. If the difference between UEFA and everybody else was 1% or maybe 2% we would of course take UEFA one as legit and there would be no discussion. 10% difference is way too much and somebody made a mistake, we will never accept consciously plain wrong result just because somebody wrote it. Common sense must prevail.

If we had March goal in our question he would have got it awarded after official PL awarded it to him. Problem is Fantasy PL would only take that change into their game if it is made up to 1 hour after the game. Plain stupid if you ask me. We have until the week deadline to settle this situation in most fair way, after that it will be final and I am sure some of you will not be happy which ever way we decide.

[Woodie]

Can't believe Netherlands failed to convert from the spot last night which was the only goal most of us were looking for and it was pretty much the last action of the day and Depay couldn't get the job done,am having my doubts in this team if they will proceed..

And looking at this week's spreadsheet and all its red paint, clearly this could be easily one of the toughest ones we have had so far and can't imagine what the future holds now

[buwaytress]

CLS63 you won this one. Final question goes to me it's still 2-1. What a miserable outcome, but I'm glad I lost to you thanks to KdB being the non-factor. I know we still got that England game to decide, but I believe the best outcome is a draw for me, you did pick Italy anyway!

Dutch, my bad for believing in them. Gakpo and others missing is no excuse for Oranjes.

[joker_josue]

I'm getting the feeling that this place is being very tight with everyone.
Almost all of us are getting it right and failing the same number of times. We are very much tied or winning by a minimal difference. The last questions of the rounds will be decisive, but for many, the final result will probably be a tie, if both choose the same things.

This week dedicated to selections, things are more balanced. We will see the final result between everyone, but I would say that we will have a lot of draws.

[Igebotz]

Anyway to avoid any 'confusion' like this in the future, probably we should settle on using specific website for the statistics of the questions? Probably settle on two trustworthy site like flashscore and livescore

We settled for the Uefa's one - which should be the most trustworthy.
We're now checking if they potentially made some mistakes.

The current result doesn't favor me, but since it's a UEFA competition their results should be the final and the most legitimate one to consider, It's just like the FPL issue we had a few weeks back with a Solly March goal, if we had organized the fantasy manually, we pro ably would have had to change the result, right ? but it's still the FPL decision that mattered, so incase of irregularities like this, you should stick to the organizers of the event.

I don't agree with this since this isn't really a situation open to interpretation. If the difference between UEFA and everybody else was 1% or maybe 2% we would of course take UEFA one as legit and there would be no discussion. 10% difference is way too much and somebody made a mistake, we will never accept consciously plain wrong result just because somebody wrote it. Common sense must prevail.

Other from the sofascore, what other sources had different stats? The 10% is only on sofascore; this is an open investigation, it would be easier if you provided your source so that we could also look at it. I've looked at the Top 20 google rated scores websites and they are all the same, and the well-known ones that we are all familiar with match up nicely with the one on the UEFA website.

Those who placed bets on bookmakers that England will have the most possession (51) have already won since 24hrs ago.

If we are not going to stick with the official website stats and other well known sources then this could be a problem for the rest of the UEFA games.

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Where are the Croatia fans? whats happening in the camp? are they going to cause another Denmark upset 

[darxiaomi]

Hi to all, i dont know why the data collect from UEFA and other pages in this game was so wrong and only corresponds for the first half you can check easily by the ammount of passes.

The ammount of passes are very similar whit the first half one from the other pages of stats. (Sofascore, Google)

A normal game have between 700-1200 passes and this game between two TOP national teams has only 450? ITs obviusly wrong. Its like a game ends 5-0 and  in shoot on Target we have 1 shoot on target and no owngoals, this its clearly wrong.

Im not the guy who always checked this but when i come to the thread, and you (igehh) shared the link with the stats of UEFA and see it, i said to myself wait a minute this its impossible, if i see the game (because i bet in it, in live) and also say to myself i put England to win possesion lets check how the question was, and when i recheck with sofascore and Google see they have a more real percentage.

Anyways realy thanks to Trofo and Cryptofrka to take this so seriously and recheck all also to take the time to re-watch the game that was so much. And im not gonna blame anyone for the decission you finally took no matter what decission is, because its a shit situation what happen ,and its 1 in a million one this happen.

For all of those who thinks this its impossible i have one history to you, a lot of years ago it happen to me a game have 8 corners and the stats collected only 7 i rewatch the game and cut and send the video to the page showing they were 8 corners, and they finally give me the money.

And igehh its not problem i also like the spicy play hahaha so i check it where division you are to make a derby, but i see you are in first division, i hope to rank up and play against you, you are not so chicken to go to second division ok?

Spoiler: The history ended with me not achieving the promotion XD.

[cryptofrka]

Announcement regarding Question 4

Fellas, it is simply impossible to make a good decision regarding the possession statistics question.

We already said who's statistics we'll be using (UEFA official) - but the problem is that in this case it is obviously incorrect. It seems that at some point they simply stopped counting passes and calculating possession properly.
It is really not something we could have foreseen, but it is something that we need to address at this point.

English FA has Italy at 58% possession, so do Sky Sports, ESPN, Transfermarkt - all of them extremely reputable. Rewatching the game both of us feel that Italy did dominate possession - but cannot be sure.

We feel it is best that we void the question - whatever we decide will cause harm to somebody but voiding it completely will bring the least harm possible.
The logic behind this decision is that we cannot use data from UEFA - and that's the source we announced we'll use - making all other sources invalid.

We are sorry for those influenced by this decision - but this one was really out of our hands.

If we are not going to stick with the official website stats and other well known sources then this could be a problem for the rest of the UEFA games.

We will be using UEFA - hoping that they don't make such mistakes in the future.
What we will do is avoid the possession questions for a while - everything else can be verified by rewatching the game.

[slackovic]

Announcement regarding Question 4

Fellas, it is simply impossible to make a good decision regarding the possession statistics question.

We already said who's statistics we'll be using (UEFA official) - but the problem is that in this case it is obviously incorrect. It seems that at some point they simply stopped counting passes and calculating possession properly.
It is really not something we could have foreseen, but it is something that we need to address at this point.

English FA has Italy at 58% possession, so do Sky Sports, ESPN, Transfermarkt - all of them extremely reputable. Rewatching the game both of us feel that Italy did dominate possession - but cannot be sure.

We feel it is best that we void the question - whatever we decide will cause harm to somebody but voiding it completely will bring the least harm possible.
The logic behind this decision is that we cannot use data from UEFA - and that's the source we announced we'll use - making all other sources invalid.

We are sorry for those influenced by this decision - but this one was really out of our hands.

If we are not going to stick with the official website stats and other well known sources then this could be a problem for the rest of the UEFA games.

We will be using UEFA - hoping that they don't make such mistakes in the future.
What we will do is avoid the possession questions for a while - everything else can be verified by rewatching the game.

Wow! Both of you really rewatched the entire game just to see which team had more possession? I don't think that anyone here expected this from you but it just shows how much effort you put into making this competition great and just for everyone participating. Great job guys!