No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream?

[bakasabo]

What about hydrogen cars ? Where are all those inventors, that have created vehicles that runs on water? Nearly 3/4 of Earth is covered with water. Plenty of "fuel" for everyone. Toyota Miria I think is the only car that run on "water". Why this idea did not go to masses? I think it will be easier and quicker to fill car with "water", than charge electro car. However, even though hydrogen cars sounds like free or cheap fuel, I think people would still prefer diesel or petrol because of the exhaust sound. The roar is what helps to sell cars.

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[slapper]

What about hydrogen cars ? Where are all those inventors, that have created vehicles that runs on water? Nearly 3/4 of Earth is covered with water. Plenty of "fuel" for everyone. Toyota Miria I think is the only car that run on "water". Why this idea did not go to masses? I think it will be easier and quicker to fill car with "water", than charge electro car. However, even though hydrogen cars sounds like free or cheap fuel, I think people would still prefer diesel or petrol because of the exhaust sound. The roar is what helps to sell cars.

While the notion of employing water as a fuel source for automobiles has been circulating for some time, the intricacies of the process reveal that it is a convoluted solution for our energy requirements. The fundamental predicament with water as fuel is that the extraction of hydrogen necessitates a considerable amount of energy, which must then be employed to propel the car. Scaling up this process is challenging and expensive, leading car manufacturers to view it with less enthusiasm.

Moreover, you pointed out that the sound of an engine is a decisive aspect in the decision-making process for car purchases. However, as society leans towards being more environmentally aware, I believe that individuals will begin prioritizing sustainability over the engine's thunderous roar. With further research and development, I am optimistic that hydrogen-powered cars will emerge as a feasible alternative to conventional vehicles, providing a greener and more effective mode of transportation.

[AndyGryffindor]

Electric vehicles are a nightmare. They can shut off your battery remotely. The grid could go down for various reasons and you are then stuck. Proper battery recycling is a pipe dream and currently an environmental hazard. The extra weight of the batteries wear out tires faster. People steal copper from the charge cables from public chargers. The time to charge on long trips adds unnecessary inconvenience. Batteries have a limited life span even if you don't drive the vehicle those batteries are degrading while the vehicle is just sitting there.

A few reasons why diesel is better. Older vehicles can run on various fuels, biodiesel, black diesel, vegetable oil etc. Older vehicles can be EMP resistant. Modifying combustion engines means you can make more power, while modifying electric vehicles usually just ends up with weight reduction/no back seats... Diesel powered vehicles had a major breakthrough. Just needs people that are willing to try it out? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403404.0 Saves me about half on my fuel bill. Less smoke out the exhaust. Naturally aspirated diesel engines seem to get the most gains in economy.

The Taurozzi Pendulum Engine could be a next generation diesel engine, along with the Liquid Piston engine. Also new diesel/high compression engines coming from other manufactures that have spark plugs can run on a variety of fuels including clean burning hydrogen. 

[Smartprofit]

What about hydrogen cars ? Where are all those inventors, that have created vehicles that runs on water? Nearly 3/4 of Earth is covered with water. Plenty of "fuel" for everyone. Toyota Miria I think is the only car that run on "water". Why this idea did not go to masses? I think it will be easier and quicker to fill car with "water", than charge electro car. However, even though hydrogen cars sounds like free or cheap fuel, I think people would still prefer diesel or petrol because of the exhaust sound. The roar is what helps to sell cars.

In my opinion, the sound of an internal combustion engine can be easily reproduced artificially (in digital). 

This will create a complete illusion that you are the owner of a retro car with an internal combustion engine.  The hydrogen car actually uses an electric motor in its work.  The battery of a hydrogen car is recharged due to a chemical reaction involving hydrogen.  For the functioning of a hydrogen car, it is necessary to create a network of hydrogen stations. 

However, hydrogen is highly explosive! 

Therefore, it is necessary to spend a lot of effort on compliance with safety requirements and further improvement of this technology. 

If these problems can be solved, then hydrogen cars will appear in large numbers on the streets of our cities.

[bakasabo]

What about hydrogen cars ? Where are all those inventors, that have created vehicles that runs on water? Nearly 3/4 of Earth is covered with water. Plenty of "fuel" for everyone. Toyota Miria I think is the only car that run on "water". Why this idea did not go to masses? I think it will be easier and quicker to fill car with "water", than charge electro car. However, even though hydrogen cars sounds like free or cheap fuel, I think people would still prefer diesel or petrol because of the exhaust sound. The roar is what helps to sell cars.

In my opinion, the sound of an internal combustion engine can be easily reproduced artificially (in digital). 

This will create a complete illusion that you are the owner of a retro car with an internal combustion engine.  The hydrogen car actually uses an electric motor in its work.  The battery of a hydrogen car is recharged due to a chemical reaction involving hydrogen.  For the functioning of a hydrogen car, it is necessary to create a network of hydrogen stations. 

However, hydrogen is highly explosive! 

Therefore, it is necessary to spend a lot of effort on compliance with safety requirements and further improvement of this technology. 

If these problems can be solved, then hydrogen cars will appear in large numbers on the streets of our cities.

Gas and petrol are also explosive and flammable, but that did not stop people from using such engines and mods. And I see no problem of creating a network of stations, as we have a huge network of electric sockets. Check out a story of Stanley Meyer. He has create a car that runs on water, soon after he has mysteriously died.

Indeed exhaust sound can be faked. Some manufacturers even add small dynamics in car to reproduce aggressive exhaust sound. For example BMW had those with V6 engines in sports cars, that fakes sounds of V8 or V10 engines. 

[DrBeer]

It is not only about natural demand, but laws are being passed that you can't even buy the old cars anymore at some point. In addition they will subsidize the purchase of electric vehicles and at some point new dynamics will be enfolded in the market due to the growing infrastructure. That is one of the biggest problems still that you can't as easily charge your car as you can obviously do with standard petrol. But when charging times are improved and battery capacity will keep improving, we will definitely get to the point where nobody would be interested in old car models anyway. But I think battery production has to be scaled up by a lot as well.

Agree !
  Any new innovation or technology has a "transitional period". The period of adaptation and laws, and mentality and the market. In exactly the same way, everything happened when they switched from horses and coal to ICE and transport. Yes - the horses remained, and coal, too, but cars, ships and planes - all on internal combustion engines and no horses are harnessed. The same will happen with the transition from internal combustion engines to electric motors - there will be new types of energy storage devices, there will be new infrastructure, and the total majority will switch to electric vehicles. By the way - I rode an electric car for a couple of weeks. I liked it very much. Well, there were also pluses - from the point of view of maintenance - no oil change, no rails and rods, all this mechanical piling up in electric cars is simply not there!

[Ozero]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Of course, over time, the world will gradually switch to cars with electric motors, as well as to other traction, which will be relatively safe for the environment. If the goal is to do it before 2035, then I think that it will be so. After all, before this period, intermediate ones have been established with a certain transition to electric cars in percentage terms. The main thing is that the need for this is long overdue and the decision has been made. The rest is a matter of technique and technology, and technology in any case will improve and become cheaper.

[dunfida]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Of course, over time, the world will gradually switch to cars with electric motors, as well as to other traction, which will be relatively safe for the environment. If the goal is to do it before 2035, then I think that it will be so. After all, before this period, intermediate ones have been established with a certain transition to electric cars in percentage terms. The main thing is that the need for this has already bothered me for a long time and the decision has been made. The rest is a matter of technique and technology, and technology in any case will improve and become cheaper.

Innovation and huge changes is something inevitable on which we would really be moving into that electric cars era but we cant really just ignore the fact that petrol powered engines wouldnt really be that be eradicated

so easily because whether we do like it or not, there are really main things which petrol engines could do that electric cars wouldnt be able to do so and this is why it would really be still that relevant if
they would still exist.

2035 is still long way shot but we arent that blind on how EV's are now starting to emerge into this market which it might be that expensive but people would
really be able to adjust into it.

[Smartprofit]

What about hydrogen cars ? Where are all those inventors, that have created vehicles that runs on water? Nearly 3/4 of Earth is covered with water. Plenty of "fuel" for everyone. Toyota Miria I think is the only car that run on "water". Why this idea did not go to masses? I think it will be easier and quicker to fill car with "water", than charge electro car. However, even though hydrogen cars sounds like free or cheap fuel, I think people would still prefer diesel or petrol because of the exhaust sound. The roar is what helps to sell cars.

In my opinion, the sound of an internal combustion engine can be easily reproduced artificially (in digital). 

This will create a complete illusion that you are the owner of a retro car with an internal combustion engine.  The hydrogen car actually uses an electric motor in its work.  The battery of a hydrogen car is recharged due to a chemical reaction involving hydrogen.  For the functioning of a hydrogen car, it is necessary to create a network of hydrogen stations. 

However, hydrogen is highly explosive! 

Therefore, it is necessary to spend a lot of effort on compliance with safety requirements and further improvement of this technology. 

If these problems can be solved, then hydrogen cars will appear in large numbers on the streets of our cities.

Gas and petrol are also explosive and flammable, but that did not stop people from using such engines and mods. And I see no problem of creating a network of stations, as we have a huge network of electric sockets. Check out a story of Stanley Meyer. He has create a car that runs on water, soon after he has mysteriously died.

Indeed exhaust sound can be faked. Some manufacturers even add small dynamics in car to reproduce aggressive exhaust sound. For example BMW had those with V6 engines in sports cars, that fakes sounds of V8 or V10 engines. 

Scientific and technological progress is like an evolutionary process. 

Usually, engineers propose several alternative technologies for implementation. 

However, only one of the proposed options is implemented.  It's like at the Olympics - there is only one champion, some participants receive silver and bronze medals, but most participants receive the status of losers and do not receive any awards.  At the same time, the choice of the winner in the race of scientific and technological progress is largely a random process.  Perhaps a supporter of this particular technology turned out to have a supporter with big capital, or perhaps a supporter with charisma and a gift for convincing other people. 

As a result, one technical solution will be implemented in practice, and another technical solution will be consigned to oblivion.

So we don't know yet if a classic car will be an electric car or a hydrogen car in 2035.  So far, electric vehicle technology is considered more promising.

[STT]

Not really a dream, goto Cuba and they dont really have new cars just recycled ones.  So its already been a reality for them for some time, its possible to do and people will just keep on using what they have already got.  Apparently it also occurs in the USA trucking stock due to new machines requiring really hard emission measures which stop the truck working as well so people recycle old trucks endlessly if they can.

USA has enough natural gas reserves to never require any oil use again, not for power, equipment, cars, heating or energy.   All of it can be replaced by something far cleaner burning unfortunately the green lobby dont like nat gas either and perhaps just consider it a derivative.   Its all possible just cost and efficiency of doing so, the calorific value of coal exceeds oil for example so each resource has its advantages.

[Lucius]

According to today's news that I have read, it seems that the EU will not adopt this law after all, because Germany and Italy are putting a lot of pressure to prevent that from happening. Of course, these are two countries that have a significant share in the production of cars, and such a law would have a very harmful effect on their economies. This does not mean that the share of electric cars on the roads will not increase, but I do not believe that such a ban will come before 2050.

[Dragonfund]

Not that electric cars wouldn't be widely available, but it seems unlikely that the people seated around the table at the United Nations will let this to happen; Electric automobiles are almost certainly not going to replace gasoline vehicles. If this occurs, there will be a shortage of gasoline, the demand will be squeezed, and many economies that depend on the sale of fuel, such as Russia, African nations, and Arab countries, would collapse. Also the ability to charge these electric automobiles, is a problem in certain nations without access to reliable energy, is another factor that makes me wonder whether this will be viable just in developed nations like those in the west and not in Africa.

[Ultegra134]

What about hydrogen cars ? Where are all those inventors, that have created vehicles that runs on water? Nearly 3/4 of Earth is covered with water. Plenty of "fuel" for everyone. Toyota Miria I think is the only car that run on "water". Why this idea did not go to masses? I think it will be easier and quicker to fill car with "water", than charge electro car. However, even though hydrogen cars sounds like free or cheap fuel, I think people would still prefer diesel or petrol because of the exhaust sound. The roar is what helps to sell cars.

We haven't seen many hydrogen cars available, though, have we? I don't believe that they will be widely adopted while there are only a few companies that support hydrogen vehicles. Even Toyota is starting to pivot and switch to electric cars. There are quite a few articles out there, one of which admits that the new Tesla Y is a work of art. Moreover, not long ago, I remember reading that they're about to launch a new electric car range. Thus, I find it quite unlikely that we'll ever see a full range of hydrogen vehicles available to the public.

[n0ne]

According to today's news that I have read, it seems that the EU will not adopt this law after all, because Germany and Italy are putting a lot of pressure to prevent that from happening. Of course, these are two countries that have a significant share in the production of cars, and such a law would have a very harmful effect on their economies. This does not mean that the share of electric cars on the roads will not increase, but I do not believe that such a ban will come before 2050.

2030 is very early to make a ban on petrol and diesel cars. This will affect the countries that depends on car production for their economy as well as the countries that depend completely on the oil market for their economy. Every car company have begun to have their electric vehicle production unit as well as R&D, and for the reason the regular car production isn't decreased. So, we can experience the increasing usage of ev, but the same won't affect the petrol and diesel car usage for atleast 2 generation.

[shinratensei_]

What about hydrogen cars ? Where are all those inventors, that have created vehicles that runs on water? Nearly 3/4 of Earth is covered with water. Plenty of "fuel" for everyone. Toyota Miria I think is the only car that run on "water". Why this idea did not go to masses? I think it will be easier and quicker to fill car with "water", than charge electro car. However, even though hydrogen cars sounds like free or cheap fuel, I think people would still prefer diesel or petrol because of the exhaust sound. The roar is what helps to sell cars.

I heard that hydrogen cars are actually quite ineffective, but I guess it's all depends on the R&D of such products, main reason why electric car is the trend nowadays have something related with the fact that elon make it trendy with its tesla and the technology embedded inside the electric car giving the illusions that it's the future but indeed it could might be the future.
the thing is, I think we need further research in increasing the effectiveness of battery technology, honestly right now I think charging your car for few hours just doesn't cut it, meawhile with fossil fuel you only fill up your fuel within minutes which is quite significant difference honestly.

[Ultegra134]

According to today's news that I have read, it seems that the EU will not adopt this law after all, because Germany and Italy are putting a lot of pressure to prevent that from happening. Of course, these are two countries that have a significant share in the production of cars, and such a law would have a very harmful effect on their economies. This does not mean that the share of electric cars on the roads will not increase, but I do not believe that such a ban will come before 2050.

2030 is very early to make a ban on petrol and diesel cars. This will affect the countries that depends on car production for their economy as well as the countries that depend completely on the oil market for their economy. Every car company have begun to have their electric vehicle production unit as well as R&D, and for the reason the regular car production isn't decreased. So, we can experience the increasing usage of ev, but the same won't affect the petrol and diesel car usage for atleast 2 generation.

They started off claiming that the ban on the production of cars with internal combustion engines would take place in 2030; now they've moved it to 2035, and chances are, it will be postponed again. However, even in 7 years from now, there will be a wider variety of electric vehicles, and more people will opt for them since they will be cheaper by then. Moreover, most European countries still don't have the facilities to accommodate a higher demand for electric cars. The transition will take time, and they will become more popular as time passes. Even I'm convinced that my next car will be electric in a few years, but a complete ban on ICE cars isn't feasible anytime soon.

[DrBeer]

Not really a dream, goto Cuba and they dont really have new cars just recycled ones.  So its already been a reality for them for some time, its possible to do and people will just keep on using what they have already got.  Apparently it also occurs in the USA trucking stock due to new machines requiring really hard emission measures which stop the truck working as well so people recycle old trucks endlessly if they can.

USA has enough natural gas reserves to never require any oil use again, not for power, equipment, cars, heating or energy.   All of it can be replaced by something far cleaner burning unfortunately the green lobby dont like nat gas either and perhaps just consider it a derivative.   Its all possible just cost and efficiency of doing so, the calorific value of coal exceeds oil for example so each resource has its advantages.

What shall I say?
There are tribes that were isolated from civilization, solely due to some peculiarities. For example, a remote location. A place remote from the traffic of civilization - ships, aircraft. Well, or simply isolated and refusing to contact the modern world, as a result of faith, views, something else ...
And Cuba is a country that has decided from a rather noticeable country in the Caribbean region (and the American continent), to run back to the Stone Age!
To understand what I mean - read what positions Cuba occupied in the world before the "Cuban revolution"! Although the word "revolution" should be replaced with "devolution" in order to accurately convey what happened.
Immediately answer the question that arises: YES! I personally was in Cuba, I personally traveled around the country. I saw a tourist zone for "tourists" and real Cuba with food cards and total poverty and degradation .. What they were very proud of
In a word, an example about electric cars and Cuba is a 100% exception in the modern world than some kind of statistics

[Ozero]

They started off claiming that the ban on the production of cars with internal combustion engines would take place in 2030; now they've moved it to 2035, and chances are, it will be postponed again. However, even in 7 years from now, there will be a wider variety of electric vehicles, and more people will opt for them since they will be cheaper by then. Moreover, most European countries still don't have the facilities to accommodate a higher demand for electric cars. The transition will take time, and they will become more popular as time passes. Even I'm convinced that my next car will be electric in a few years, but a complete ban on ICE cars isn't feasible anytime soon.

The reduction of gasoline and diesel vehicles, as well as the increase in the number of electric vehicles, will occur gradually and in stages. The main thing is that the countries of Europe have already adopted the relevant law and it will be implemented. This will be facilitated by further climate change on our planet. The unbearable summer heat will be a good argument to switch to the use of electric vehicles and pollute the environment less.

[xSkylarx]

They started off claiming that the ban on the production of cars with internal combustion engines would take place in 2030; now they've moved it to 2035, and chances are, it will be postponed again. However, even in 7 years from now, there will be a wider variety of electric vehicles, and more people will opt for them since they will be cheaper by then. Moreover, most European countries still don't have the facilities to accommodate a higher demand for electric cars. The transition will take time, and they will become more popular as time passes. Even I'm convinced that my next car will be electric in a few years, but a complete ban on ICE cars isn't feasible anytime soon.

The reduction of gasoline and diesel vehicles, as well as the increase in the number of electric vehicles, will occur gradually and in stages. The main thing is that the countries of Europe have already adopted the relevant law and it will be implemented. This will be facilitated by further climate change on our planet. The unbearable summer heat will be a good argument to switch to the use of electric vehicles and pollute the environment less.

I am more scared of melting ice in the antarctic than the summer heat compared to climate change as it makes a continent get under water. Though other also country starting to be stricter now about those gasoline/diesel cars that are right now in our country I've seen a lot of e-bikes and e-trike along the roads for better help fighting pollution. Though right now it is still expensive, I hope in the future it is way more affordable we can afford to buy and own one.

[serveria.com]

According to this source: https://europe.autonews.com/environmentemissions/europes-2035-combustion-engine-ban-opposed-germany-italy Germany and also Italy are going to block this law. Hungary and Poland are not particularly happy as well. Honestly, I can understand Germans very well as their country is quite big and car culture is deep in their blood. EV vehicles are not very suitable for long distance driving because of limited range.