No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream?

[DrBeer]

"UN climate summit recognizes for the first time the need to divest from oil and gas
Participants at the COP28 conference in Dubai were able to agree a final deal calling for divestment from fossil fuels"

It doesn't mean stop producing oil tomorrow, it doesn't mean all transportation will be electric tomorrow.

But it does mean reducing dependence and oil production. Considering that most of the oil is used for fuel, this will be the main area for reducing consumption. Especially in this market (motor vehicles) there are already technologies that allow to do this.

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[STT]

Battery technology will continue to develop, in over a decade the gains will be quite substantial especially if you consider the potential market unfolding.  The whole growth sector is an attractive prospect to develop for.
  The reality however will be even if new cars are not to be petrol or diesel we will still just reuse the older vehicles until decades have passed, the signal this will occur is possibly from trucks already starting to do this.   Its far better to buy an older second hand truck then try to make the newer ones work perfectly for a higher cost.
   Eventually the technology will overwhelm the older designs but I think we are talking decades for all sizes of motors from motorcycles to giant truck and trains, it is a long term transitional movement.

[Baki202]

"UN climate summit recognizes for the first time the need to divest from oil and gas
Participants at the COP28 conference in Dubai were able to agree a final deal calling for divestment from fossil fuels"

It doesn't mean stop producing oil tomorrow, it doesn't mean all transportation will be electric tomorrow.

But it does mean reducing dependence and oil production. Considering that most of the oil is used for fuel, this will be the main area for reducing consumption. Especially in this market (motor vehicles) there are already technologies that allow to do this.

In situations such as these, many nations will run out of ideas and business due to their reliance on oil. As a result, nations that produce oil ought to be considering the ongoing harm that fossil fuel-powered vehicles cause and searching for solutions for the future. This is how things should be done, and the push toward greener and electric vehicles is an excellent strategy.

however this doesn't stop oil production, it will undoubtedly have an impact on the market. If countries that rely on oil can find other ways to maintain economic growth, they will do so because they cannot continue to harm the environment through their operations.

[WillyAp]

Battery technology will continue to develop, in over a decade the gains will be quite substantial especially if you consider the potential market unfolding.  

In Venezuela and I'm pretty sure in other hot countries those batteries are the weakest link. They overheat and catch fire.
Just imagine sitting in a burning car and the fire brigade trying to extinguish it with water.

[Hamphser]

Battery technology will continue to develop, in over a decade the gains will be quite substantial especially if you consider the potential market unfolding.  The whole growth sector is an attractive prospect to develop for.
  The reality however will be even if new cars are not to be petrol or diesel we will still just reuse the older vehicles until decades have passed, the signal this will occur is possibly from trucks already starting to do this.   Its far better to buy an older second hand truck then try to make the newer ones work perfectly for a higher cost.
   Eventually the technology will overwhelm the older designs but I think we are talking decades for all sizes of motors from motorcycles to giant truck and trains, it is a long term transitional movement.

Nothing could be perfect in an instant on which development and further enhancement would really be definitely along the way on which it would really be just that normal that there would really be flaws about with this EV trend on which i dont see for it to be a bad thing if ever we do have that switch up but just like on what most people been saying on here is that i do really believe on the same thing on which
there would really be disadvantages too. When it comes to efficiency and no emission thing then hands down to that. People would really be that too mindful about when it comes to maintainance thing
on which it wont really come cheap for sure.

This is why i dont really believe that in 10+ years time on which these ICE cars would really that cease to exist. Why wont really be just saying that better have both with these things?
Fir sure petrol companies wont really be letting these things to happen.

[darkangel11]

Battery technology will continue to develop, in over a decade the gains will be quite substantial especially if you consider the potential market unfolding.  The whole growth sector is an attractive prospect to develop for.
  The reality however will be even if new cars are not to be petrol or diesel we will still just reuse the older vehicles until decades have passed, the signal this will occur is possibly from trucks already starting to do this.   Its far better to buy an older second hand truck then try to make the newer ones work perfectly for a higher cost.
   Eventually the technology will overwhelm the older designs but I think we are talking decades for all sizes of motors from motorcycles to giant truck and trains, it is a long term transitional movement.

That why the EU wants to stop this. They're actively trying to develop laws that will make it illegal for older cars to be repaired if there's an engine failure, to shorten lifespan of vehicles but this is a dumb idea and I'll tell you why. You buy a car and the engine fails after 3 years which happens sometimes in new "eco" cars with aluminum engine blocks and turbos. You paid $30k for a new car and it's scrap because you're not allowed to fix it. What about large machines and trucks? Most of them are diesel powered. Are we going to stop whole road transport now because they want to reduce emissions?

[STT]

Battery technology will continue to develop, in over a decade the gains will be quite substantial especially if you consider the potential market unfolding. 

In Venezuela and I'm pretty sure in other hot countries those batteries are the weakest link. They overheat and catch fire.
Just imagine sitting in a burning car and the fire brigade trying to extinguish it with water.

True I do wonder about performance in a desert from the current technology.   Also true is batteries now really dislike cold weather and suffer massively, so not only must over heating be countered and controlled but also we must actively warm up the batteries from the extreme cold present in many countries for at least half of their working year.
  So thats the current liability of the present technology, Im suggesting we see a change in the lay of land due to immense change possible in technology.  My source would be the vast changes that have occurred in the past, all this tech wasnt even viable years ago we could power a watch reliably and that was considered very good at one point.    Wasnt even reliable back then.   
  Already true is that alternate tech exists in battery, the chemistry that makes up batteries can be entirely different.  They no longer are vulnerable subject to explosions or epic failure patterns, future battery tech can be using something close to sea salt if I understood it right.  I will look for a good source on that as Im no chemist, Im just stating the possibility is there for sure.

[DrBeer]

"UN climate summit recognizes for the first time the need to divest from oil and gas
Participants at the COP28 conference in Dubai were able to agree a final deal calling for divestment from fossil fuels"

It doesn't mean stop producing oil tomorrow, it doesn't mean all transportation will be electric tomorrow.

But it does mean reducing dependence and oil production. Considering that most of the oil is used for fuel, this will be the main area for reducing consumption. Especially in this market (motor vehicles) there are already technologies that allow to do this.

In situations such as these, many nations will run out of ideas and business due to their reliance on oil. As a result, nations that produce oil ought to be considering the ongoing harm that fossil fuel-powered vehicles cause and searching for solutions for the future. This is how things should be done, and the push toward greener and electric vehicles is an excellent strategy.

however this doesn't stop oil production, it will undoubtedly have an impact on the market. If countries that rely on oil can find other ways to maintain economic growth, they will do so because they cannot continue to harm the environment through their operations.

That's why smart countries whose economies are based on selling resources (oil) have been investing huge sums in developing new energy production technologies for years. This is the difference between smart countries and not so smart countries. Smart countries are those who live for the future, not so smart countries are those who live for today and do not think about the future.

And one more news on the topic:
The German company e-Revolt offers a service for converting gasoline and diesel cars into electric vehicles. The key feature of the transformation is that it takes only 8 hours to replace a gasoline or diesel engine with an electric powertrain.
The cost of adaptation is much lower than the decision to purchase a new car.

[WillyAp]

And one more news on the topic:
The German company e-Revolt offers a service for converting gasoline and diesel cars into electric vehicles. T

A fuel cell is better suited IMHO.
In Brazil there are shops doing that, unfortunately I don't have a link.

Hopefully a brazilian member could confirm that?

 You paid $30k for a new car and it's scrap because you're not allowed to fix it. What about large machines and trucks? Most of them are diesel powered. Are we going to stop whole road transport now because they want to reduce emissions?

It'll be exported to a non EU country, then repaired and set to drive again.

[DrBeer]

And one more news on the topic:
The German company e-Revolt offers a service for converting gasoline and diesel cars into electric vehicles. T

A fuel cell is better suited IMHO.
In Brazil there are shops doing that, unfortunately I don't have a link.

Hopefully a brazilian member could confirm that?

 You paid $30k for a new car and it's scrap because you're not allowed to fix it. What about large machines and trucks? Most of them are diesel powered. Are we going to stop whole road transport now because they want to reduce emissions?

It'll be exported to a non EU country, then repaired and set to drive again.

This is already a matter of implementation. I will assume that a fuel cell engine, such as the Toyota Murai, is a difficult option for the DIY concept (do it yourself). Although it is possible that Toyota will produce such kits for “modification”. the solution with batteries and electric motors is much simpler, so it will “go to the masses” faster and more widely. And this is another additional “trump card” in the deck of cards for electric vehicles.

Now, if we take it globally, electric cars have 2 problems:
- high-capacity, fast-charging, affordable batteries
- a source of cheap, affordable electricity.

And they are all being resolved... For example, I am very pleased with the news about the Thermonuclear Reactor launched on December 1 in Japan. Yes - experimental, but already a fully implemented solution.

[Fortify]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

It's starting to look more and more like wishful thinking, however the original target was set for 2030 which received a lot of backing. There has been a massive surge in uptake of electric cars, but they are still largely out of the price range of average earners. Until we see more trickle through into the second hand market, with cars that still have viable range on them, then it could even take another couple decades before they overtake diesel and petrol cars in being the majority on the road. Bans sound nice and may eventually become reality, but you'll find that governments often take these stances loudly while pushing them back again quietly, much closer to the target date.

[ancafe]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

I don't know how things are going in your country regarding sales of fuel cars, both diesel and petrol. But how surprised you will be when you see that most people in my country are competing to buy cars with diesel fuel, especially among young people.

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Electric cars are also not yet a solution to the pollution caused by diesel or petrol cars. Electric cars can also cause environmental pollution because the battery manufactur buking process uses nickel, lithium and cobalt. So far both models are still considering their impact on the environment, but when it comes to efficiency perhaps electric cars will be far superior. Electric cars are also sold are still quite expensive and in my opinion the costs will be much more economical than normal cars.

[DrBeer]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

I don't know how things are going in your country regarding sales of fuel cars, both diesel and petrol. But how surprised you will be when you see that most people in my country are competing to buy cars with diesel fuel, especially among young people.

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Electric cars are also not yet a solution to the pollution caused by diesel or petrol cars. Electric cars can also cause environmental pollution because the battery manufactur buking process uses nickel, lithium and cobalt. So far both models are still considering their impact on the environment, but when it comes to efficiency perhaps electric cars will be far superior. Electric cars are also sold are still quite expensive and in my opinion the costs will be much more economical than normal cars.

Virtually any manufacturing leaves a "non environmentally friendly footprint". Including batteries, which I agree with. But I would add - today's batteries. But here progress and the situation does not stand still, and today there is active work on the search for new materials with new properties for the development of new generation batteries with better characteristics, including those that do not use the above-mentioned chemical elements. The second nuance - it is difficult to compare the harm and threat from global warming caused by the huge amount of emissions from internal combustion engines with the harm from the extraction and use of these metals. It is necessary to understand one thing - we live at the beginning of the era of electric energy in the automotive industry. I am sure that in 5-10 years, if we come back to this topic here, we will be very interested in discussing the changes in this short period of time .

[bakasabo]

First steam engines were introduced somewhere in 16th century, first petrol engine in end of 19th century if we talk about car engines, but first electric motor was introduced in 18th century. The progress goes faster each year, so DrBeer could be correct, that in 10 years we will be smiling when we gonna read our replies here. Electric engines appeared more or less at the same age we got petrol engines. However they were low power and battery did not last long. However, is it already clear what resource modern electric engine has? We all hear about horse power, 0-100 acceleration and etc. What about the engine in general? Can it run for 200-500 thousands kilometers without major break?

[Manny@11111]

It is achievable. This is called Planning, they have considered lots of factors and put in motions processes, structures and legislations to achieving this come 2035. Future of vehicles is obviously electrical as it's advantages in this climatic change era is enormous and prudent.

[Latviand]

That's a difficult to follow timeframe because gentrification is expensive, it will replace thousands of industries that have been in operation for 100+ years so the change will definitely meet some resistance from those old industries that are going to be affected. I mean look at the whaling industry, when the demand for whale oil plummeted because of electricity, a lot of industry was affected then it's going to be the same for the current automotive industry. I wouldn't say that it's a dream though because progress is going to happen no matter what and I just believe that it's not going to be in the year 2035 that we're going to see that from ever happening.

[Argoo]

Battery technology will continue to develop, in over a decade the gains will be quite substantial especially if you consider the potential market unfolding.  The whole growth sector is an attractive prospect to develop for.
  The reality however will be even if new cars are not to be petrol or diesel we will still just reuse the older vehicles until decades have passed, the signal this will occur is possibly from trucks already starting to do this.   Its far better to buy an older second hand truck then try to make the newer ones work perfectly for a higher cost.
   Eventually the technology will overwhelm the older designs but I think we are talking decades for all sizes of motors from motorcycles to giant truck and trains, it is a long term transitional movement.

Nothing could be perfect in an instant on which development and further enhancement would really be definitely along the way on which it would really be just that normal that there would really be flaws about with this EV trend on which i dont see for it to be a bad thing if ever we do have that switch up but just like on what most people been saying on here is that i do really believe on the same thing on which
there would really be disadvantages too. When it comes to efficiency and no emission thing then hands down to that. People would really be that too mindful about when it comes to maintainance thing
on which it wont really come cheap for sure.

This is why i dont really believe that in 10+ years time on which these ICE cars would really that cease to exist. Why wont really be just saying that better have both with these things?
Fir sure petrol companies wont really be letting these things to happen.

The reality is that if humanity wants to survive the drastic ongoing climate change, then gasoline and diesel engines must be abandoned decisively and quickly. This must happen despite economic problems and losses. If this is not done, then there will be even more losses in the future. In some regions the planet will become unsuitable for human habitation. Natural disasters will intensify throughout the planet, which we can already observe. Therefore, where carbon dioxide emissions occur, the fight must be tough and uncompromising. For this reason, old cars with petrol and diesel engines should be disposed of as quickly as possible.

[DrBeer]

First steam engines were introduced somewhere in 16th century, first petrol engine in end of 19th century if we talk about car engines, but first electric motor was introduced in 18th century. The progress goes faster each year, so DrBeer could be correct, that in 10 years we will be smiling when we gonna read our replies here. Electric engines appeared more or less at the same age we got petrol engines. However they were low power and battery did not last long. However, is it already clear what resource modern electric engine has? We all hear about horse power, 0-100 acceleration and etc. What about the engine in general? Can it run for 200-500 thousands kilometers without major break?

Thanks for the encouragement
Yes, electric motors and even electric cars have been around for a long time. But they appeared "in the wrong place and at the wrong time". At that time, the development of technology, chemistry, and other areas of science and economics did not allow the electric car to be used effectively. The internal combustion engine as a device is not very complex, and the production and accumulation of fuel is a rather primitive process, which was already well practiced in the 19th and 20th centuries.
Nowadays the technologies and element base are quite different, both for electricity generation, its transmission and accumulation (batteries, super capacitors), as well as the quality and efficiency of electric motors. Electric motors have come a long way since the advent of streetcars, subways and trolleybuses (current supply through carrier channels), and today have reached a high level of quality, production and reliability. This means that today it is possible to use them instead of internal combustion engines.

[ancafe]

Virtually any manufacturing leaves a "non environmentally friendly footprint". Including batteries, which I agree with. But I would add - today's batteries. But here progress and the situation does not stand still, and today there is active work on the search for new materials with new properties for the development of new generation batteries with better characteristics, including those that do not use the above-mentioned chemical elements. The second nuance - it is difficult to compare the harm and threat from global warming caused by the huge amount of emissions from internal combustion engines with the harm from the extraction and use of these metals. It is necessary to understand one thing - we live at the beginning of the era of electric energy in the automotive industry. I am sure that in 5-10 years, if we come back to this topic here, we will be very interested in discussing the changes in this short period of time .

There is some truth to that because we live amidst a tendency among people who want to live more practically and easily, so they don't really care about costs. The automotive industry continues to make strides in creating a new generation of environmentally friendly cars and we are even at a state of technological sophistication where people no longer need to drive because cars use sensor commands to run them. Even though the market is not big and not yet common, I am sure we will see the development of the automotive industry continue to develop with new ideas offered by its products.

In the next five or ten years we will see how the process of technological development in the automotive sector will continue to develop. When we return to this post there will probably be many other debates that we will discuss with each other. Losses and threats will continue to exist in any sector, including the process of developing electric cars, because there are levels of weaknesses and strengths that place them in certain problems.

[Falconer]

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There is some truth to that because we live amidst a tendency among people who want to live more practically and easily, so they don't really care about costs. The automotive industry continues to make strides in creating a new generation of environmentally friendly cars and we are even at a state of technological sophistication where people no longer need to drive because cars use sensor commands to run them. Even though the market is not big and not yet common, I am sure we will see the development of the automotive industry continue to develop with new ideas offered by its products.

In the next five or ten years we will see how the process of technological development in the automotive sector will continue to develop. When we return to this post there will probably be many other debates that we will discuss with each other. Losses and threats will continue to exist in any sector, including the process of developing electric cars, because there are levels of weaknesses and strengths that place them in certain problems.

Industrial development is indeed expected, but in my opinion this is also motivated by the idea of ​​changing society's tendency to be less dependent on the use of oil (gasoline or diesel). The political and economic situation between western and Arab countries is increasingly heated and oil prices are never stable, so this idea may be part of the government's plan to no longer depend on its oil supply countries.

I don't know, I didn't think much about it, but maybe what I said was one of the reasons behind the idea. Additionally, the government will probably tell us indirectly that bitcoin mining saves more energy than the amount of electricity used by cars.