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October 05, 2023, 08:18:41 AM
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If the government continues to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, then buyers will be more inclined to buy Elon Musk Tesla company cars.  Because the cars of Elon Musk Tesla company have received a huge response.  Electric cars will be more affordable than diesel and petrol, the country is now moving towards electric cars so most people really want electric cars.At present we have noticed that electric vehicles are slowly becoming a reality in the country.  2035 is still very late,hopefully technology will be more advanced.

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October 05, 2023, 12:05:23 PM
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If the government continues to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, then buyers will be more inclined to buy Elon Musk Tesla company cars.  Because the cars of Elon Musk Tesla company have received a huge response.  Electric cars will be more affordable than diesel and petrol, the country is now moving towards electric cars so most people really want electric cars.At present we have noticed that electric vehicles are slowly becoming a reality in the country.  2035 is still very late,hopefully technology will be more advanced.

Technology will indeed become more advanced over time because in this world there are still many developers in terms of technology, but smart people will also consider this in as much detail as possible when they start or want to change petrol vehicles to electric vehicles someday. Because if there are still very few electric vehicle repair workshops, of course there won't be many people who want to own an electric vehicle because they might think that once it breaks they have to throw it away without any repairs.

Meanwhile, there are still a lot of petrol vehicle repair shops at the moment so they can still be considered for use by many people even though the price may be a little more expensive than electric vehicles. So the government and top officials of any country must also look at this when they want to convert all vehicles to electric, because if they are only for one-time use without being able to be repaired I think it will be very useless because when it breaks down everyone will have to spend more money to buy a new vehicle.
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October 06, 2023, 06:15:20 PM
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Repairs for electric cars are easier. Much less moving parts. The issues of bad are long time to fuel them up. A Tesla and a supercharger is over 20 minutes. I still see a fast fill up smaller pack that swaps in and out of cars as the best answer to speed up fill up time.

Other issues are flooding. If you car is on the street and floods the lithium battery could be damaged and explode. No fix in set for this as of now.

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October 06, 2023, 06:36:32 PM
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Repairs for electric cars are easier. Much less moving parts.

Sure, because electric car manufacturers focus on replacing parts, not repairing them. They don't fix batteries, they replace them and charge you 25% of what a new car costs for that.
Also, this depends on what you're trying to fix since with electric cars if something doesn't work with the engine it's usually a big issue, not something they can repair in an hour.
Gasoline cars can face a lot of small issues, like spark plugs, battery replacement, worn out belts, that can be easily fixed.

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The issues of bad are long time to fuel them up. A Tesla and a supercharger is over 20 minutes.

Even if you had a Tesla, how many superchargers are there in your area?
I have one, 10km from my house and google says it's going to take 15 min to get there. Nobody is going to drive 15 min to charge a car faster

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I still see a fast fill up smaller pack that swaps in and out of cars as the best answer to speed up fill up time.

Other issues are flooding. If you car is on the street and floods the lithium battery could be damaged and explode. No fix in set for this as of now.

There are other annoying issues like the battery not holding charge in low temperatures.

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October 06, 2023, 08:53:11 PM
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If the government continues to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, then buyers will be more inclined to buy Elon Musk Tesla company cars.  Because the cars of Elon Musk Tesla company have received a huge response.  Electric cars will be more affordable than diesel and petrol, the country is now moving towards electric cars so most people really want electric cars.At present we have noticed that electric vehicles are slowly becoming a reality in the country.  2035 is still very late,hopefully technology will be more advanced.

The people have voted on this with their money and the result is that we don't want to buy electric cars because of their price.
There are two markets, the new car market and the used car market. Electric vehicles barely exist on the used market, so most of it consists of traditional combustion engine cars.

The governments want to destroy the used car market by enforcing emission limits. There are also engine size limits. For example you pay a lot more tax in the EU when you import a car with an engine exceeding 2 L. It's all being done to discourage you from using normal cars and boost electric car sales.
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October 06, 2023, 09:06:21 PM
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Being a reality will bring joy to the world as we move away from carbon emissions to save our planet from the light rays that are penetrating due to ozone layer damage caused by caron emissions. As they have projected, it may likely become a reality as they themselves will intensify effort to make it a reality.

I will love to translate this very post in my local board, it concerns us as a country whose economy soley relies on crude oil. What will be fate of such country when electric cars takes over?.
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October 06, 2023, 09:56:56 PM
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In my opinion, regarding vehicles and the biggest contributor to air pollution are cargo cars compared to private cars. And I also think that the presence of electric cars cannot fully reduce the air pollution that occurs, because basically the presence of electric cars can only replace certain types of cars such as private cars. Meanwhile, cargo type cars, especially those that move in rural areas, will never be replaced by electric cars.

And one more thing, in my opinion, is that society can switch to electric cars, and if the target is 2035, this is impossible, because that time is considered very fast. Meanwhile, the community's economy has not yet been completely stable until now.

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October 06, 2023, 10:19:38 PM
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2035 does not seem feasible and realistic in my opinion because It'll take a lot of work to build more robust grid infrastructures or much better battery technology for that goal to be achieved.. additionally, there's still no solution for people who live in places where chargers can’t be installed other than extortionate rapid chargers..lastly charger network is not growing quickly enough.




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October 06, 2023, 11:31:24 PM
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If the government continues to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, then buyers will be more inclined to buy Elon Musk Tesla company cars.  Because the cars of Elon Musk Tesla company have received a huge response.  Electric cars will be more affordable than diesel and petrol, the country is now moving towards electric cars so most people really want electric cars.At present we have noticed that electric vehicles are slowly becoming a reality in the country.  2035 is still very late,hopefully technology will be more advanced.
Currently, I personally see more and more people using electric vehicles in my country. Although maybe only a few percent. But I think in the next few years electric vehicles will really become more accepted in society. Currently, electric car users may only be in big cities. Because vehicle electric recharging facilities are currently only available in big cities. But maybe in a few years electric vehicle charging facilities will be evenly distributed throughout the country. I am proud of my country for moving quickly on this.

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October 06, 2023, 11:38:05 PM
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2035 does not seem feasible and realistic in my opinion because It'll take a lot of work to build more robust grid infrastructures or much better battery technology for that goal to be achieved.. additionally, there's still no solution for people who live in places where chargers can’t be installed other than extortionate rapid chargers..lastly charger network is not growing quickly enough.
such problem already solved in many countries its just the rural village where you won't be encountering any rapid chargers, but I guess in some countries with relatively late technology development are still struggling with such problem, the only concern of mine is whether the electricity generated for the electric cars coming from coal or are there sufficient renewable energy in which gonna keeps the environment healthy because if its coming from coal than its just the same thing.
i think government should be concerned about getting renewable energy more and more.

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October 08, 2023, 10:17:25 AM
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2035 does not seem feasible and realistic in my opinion because It'll take a lot of work to build more robust grid infrastructures or much better battery technology for that goal to be achieved.. additionally, there's still no solution for people who live in places where chargers can’t be installed other than extortionate rapid chargers..lastly charger network is not growing quickly enough.


Eventually, it will grow fast enough in developed countries, because it is an objective which is government sponsored, in the case of those who cared for the future of the planet and the endangered species.

In the case of the USA, it will mostly depend on whether the Republican party will embrace those ideas in the future or will continue to deny there is an impact (a negative one) being done to this planet. In Europe the impact is not a topic of discussion, but already taken as a fact...

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October 09, 2023, 04:53:59 AM
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If the government continues to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, then buyers will be more inclined to buy Elon Musk Tesla company cars.  Because the cars of Elon Musk Tesla company have received a huge response.  Electric cars will be more affordable than diesel and petrol, the country is now moving towards electric cars so most people really want electric cars.At present we have noticed that electric vehicles are slowly becoming a reality in the country.  2035 is still very late,hopefully technology will be more advanced.

The gas/diesel car market is crazy right now and honestly that alone could also cause buyers to move towards electric. Not gonna lie Teslas are awesome, I haven't tried a Lucid out yet but man I want to. Eventually every car maker will probably shift and adjust with the markets as governments create "environmentally friendly"laws propping up EV that moves forward with their Commie agendas. When the oil is not found in the USA and gasoline engines and gas stations are out of the picture and all you have are these oversized parking lots for charging your cars we will surely miss having the gasoline because time is money. Pay the 60 dollars for a full tank of gass or wait 45 minutes or longer so you can drive the same distance and lose 1 hour of your precious time as a result? So freedom is also gone too in case the government ever wanted to shut down your vehicle, ummm so much stuff I can think of here, Electric vehicles shutting down from overheating, or being too cold? that doses't really happen with gasoline vehicles and you hear or some wild crazy stories of electric vehicles not working in those types of conditions and who even knows what sort of situation that could put you in. I could go on. But you can easily see that I don't exactly like this trending towards all electic and no gas future.

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The exact event is for 2035, yes, to be exact, in the next 12 years, it is not certain whether it will be successful or not, because if we look at the need for propulsion fuel, be it petrol, diesel or others for diesel and petrol cars, it is decreasing day by day and could run out. The future total is apart from the issue of reducing CO2 emissions by up to 100 percent for car manufacturers. Now, as for the percentage of success, economical or economical, expensive or not expensive, it all depends on taste and future use.

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If the government continues to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, then buyers will be more inclined to buy Elon Musk Tesla company cars.  Because the cars of Elon Musk Tesla company have received a huge response.  Electric cars will be more affordable than diesel and petrol, the country is now moving towards electric cars so most people really want electric cars.At present we have noticed that electric vehicles are slowly becoming a reality in the country.  2035 is still very late,hopefully technology will be more advanced.

The gas/diesel car market is crazy right now and honestly that alone could also cause buyers to move towards electric. Not gonna lie Teslas are awesome, I haven't tried a Lucid out yet but man I want to. Eventually every car maker will probably shift and adjust with the markets as governments create "environmentally friendly"laws propping up EV that moves forward with their Commie agendas. When the oil is not found in the USA and gasoline engines and gas stations are out of the picture and all you have are these oversized parking lots for charging your cars we will surely miss having the gasoline because time is money. Pay the 60 dollars for a full tank of gass or wait 45 minutes or longer so you can drive the same distance and lose 1 hour of your precious time as a result? So freedom is also gone too in case the government ever wanted to shut down your vehicle, ummm so much stuff I can think of here, Electric vehicles shutting down from overheating, or being too cold? that doses't really happen with gasoline vehicles and you hear or some wild crazy stories of electric vehicles not working in those types of conditions and who even knows what sort of situation that could put you in. I could go on. But you can easily see that I don't exactly like this trending towards all electic and no gas future.

When people mention environmentally friendly cars, I always remember about so called Euro standards. If it is planned to stop petrol or diesel car production in 2035, why manufacturers still develop and improve standards all the time?  For example in 2025 there probably would be Euro 7 already. I dont know if you have this in US or lets say outside Europe, but we have CO checks every time we pass annual technical inspections. We spend tons of money on catalyst or addons to fuel to reduce emission.


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October 09, 2023, 08:55:20 AM
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Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Yes this seems achievable and I think we are on a good track to surpass that goal. Many car companies are positioning themselves to achieve that goal and already want to stop selling traditional cars by 2030. All around the world there are new EV factories being build, even Saudia Arabia a major oil exporter wants to build a manufacturing hub for electrical vehicles. Same goes for China, they want to dominate the global EV market. There are big differences between internal combustion vehicles and EVs. The companies can't just switch their production facilities, it takes different materials and knowhow. All these investment need to be planned by the car companies, there is no sudden switching back to producing old cars. Still, it's not yet the end of the combustion engine cars, they are still going to run for many years and people will be able to keep repairing them and sell their used cars. It's going to take much longer for all petrol and diesel cars to disappear from the earth.
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Yes this seems achievable and I think we are on a good track to surpass that goal. Many car companies are positioning themselves to achieve that goal and already want to stop selling traditional cars by 2030. All around the world there are new EV factories being build, even Saudia Arabia a major oil exporter wants to build a manufacturing hub for electrical vehicles. Same goes for China, they want to dominate the global EV market. There are big differences between internal combustion vehicles and EVs. The companies can't just switch their production facilities, it takes different materials and knowhow. All these investment need to be planned by the car companies, there is no sudden switching back to producing old cars. Still, it's not yet the end of the combustion engine cars, they are still going to run for many years and people will be able to keep repairing them and sell their used cars. It's going to take much longer for all petrol and diesel cars to disappear from the earth.

  We can discuss it to our heart’s content, EV will compose 90% of the world’s vehicle fleet by 2040. Because EV’s are cheaper to operate, charging a battery pack is cheaper than buying fuel. Maintaining an electric motor and battery pack is cheaper than maintaining an internal combustion engine. The adoption curve has started for EV’s. Up until now, batteries cost too much and took too long to charge but not any more. One misconception is that because electric cars are relatively new to the market, they are far expensive and become unaffordable for the average person. This claim again is unfounded. The Nissan Leaf is one of the cost effective electric car in the U.S that you can currently buy and it currently stands at $28,140. The average person, will spend well in excess of $1,250 per year on petrol compared to around $125 per year for an electric car, subject to your tariff.
  Furthermore, you will be entitled to benefit in kind tax for electric cars. In the U.S, monetary incentives for electric vehicles come in both federal and state issued form, in addition drivers are entitled to better electricity rates and insurance discounts. The automotive industry has been the very example of human advances in technology. And this is an innovation that will have good benefits in the climate change.
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Could be then possibility. Electric cars are becoming more and more accepted into the roads and parkings now  Wink than ever before making it look like the car industry is already at a massive paradigm shift. There’s equal chances and reasons for the electric car world to both fail or flourish. It all bouls down to the fact that all it really takes is a single push at an oppprtune moment during this altercation, and we might see better days in the energy and fuel sector.

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Electric vehicles are becoming cheaper with every passing year. But even now, they are on average 2x or more costlier when compared to the gasoline equivalent. The cost of EV battery is still prohibitive and it needs to come down to make such vehicles more affordable for the general population. But then, no new innovation has happened with the battery technology for the last 2 decades or so.
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Can it be more funnier? Diesel aggregate for recharging electric cars...

This is where the hypocrisy of the West is reflected, they think if they drive electric cars that makes this world cleaner, but how are these cars made, where are the lithium mines?

In my country there are too many petrol/diesel cars/trucks... people depend on it, their business depends on it. I doubt that anyone can stop the sales and usage of diesel and petrol vehicles... not now, not even in 10 years.

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Could be then possibility. Electric cars are becoming more and more accepted into the roads and parkings now  Wink than ever before making it look like the car industry is already at a massive paradigm shift. There’s equal chances and reasons for the electric car world to both fail or flourish. It all bouls down to the fact that all it really takes is a single push at an oppprtune moment during this altercation, and we might see better days in the energy and fuel sector.
the only obstacle currently is the high price of electric vehicles when compared to fossil fuel vehicles. Even though electric cars are much more efficient in terms of energy usage, if the cost of buying a vehicle is still many times higher than a regular fuel car then of course people will still choose to buy a regular fuel car.

Citizens' enthusiasm for electric cars is actually quite good. It's just that high prices and public facilities for charging the vehicle's electric energy are still inadequate and don't exist in all areas which is an obstacle. When facilities are evenly distributed and available everywhere, the transition can occur more quickly.

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