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March 13, 2023, 06:47:47 PM
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provided that a more commercialized form of dealership with electric cars become available a few years before 2035, I can diesel vehicles being phased out in developed and first-world countries, as they are almost always the ones who are often taking the initiative in paradigm shifts. Third-world countries could follow suit a few years after globalization of electric cars were implemented, but I don't see every car in the world being phased out of the roads at least until 2050-2060. Oil Tycoons will do their hardest to reinstate oil as the main source of fuel of this planet through multiple campaigns and propaganda so the fight for a safer environment will be long and arduous, thus in an ideal setting, for me it will take at least up until 2050 for all cars in the road within western territories to comprise mainly of electric vehicles.

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March 13, 2023, 07:55:09 PM
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provided that a more commercialized form of dealership with electric cars become available a few years before 2035, I can diesel vehicles being phased out in developed and first-world countries, as they are almost always the ones who are often taking the initiative in paradigm shifts. Third-world countries could follow suit a few years after globalization of electric cars were implemented, but I don't see every car in the world being phased out of the roads at least until 2050-2060. Oil Tycoons will do their hardest to reinstate oil as the main source of fuel of this planet through multiple campaigns and propaganda so the fight for a safer environment will be long and arduous, thus in an ideal setting, for me it will take at least up until 2050 for all cars in the road within western territories to comprise mainly of electric vehicles.
It doesn't really matter how long it will take humanity to transition from gasoline and diesel cars to electric cars - until 2035, 2050 or 2060. The main thing is that the decision has already been made, its implementation will be phased and inevitable. More developed countries with high living standards will lead the way, others will follow. It is unlikely that oil and gas corporations will strongly resist this time. Humanity has faced a choice: either switch to other sources of energy and do less harm to the environment, or climate change will become so global that we will simply cease to exist. Additional decisions on this issue will be made and monitored at the level of the G20 countries and the UN.

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April 24, 2023, 05:33:57 PM
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In my point of view 2035 is not much far away from now, most probably this would be implement in rich countries it will be easier  for them, but what about poor countries? are they capable of having charging station in each and every coroner? in city it is not much big deal but what about remote areas? that's why in my opinion view mechanism of cycle must be invented which suits for cars or we can make the machines from which ethanol and fuels like petroleum can generate electricity and we can use both electric as well as ethanol based vehicles, which can help the countries which are economically less constant and produce fuels (rude oil) as well as farmers, who produce sugarcane for ethanol
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April 25, 2023, 01:35:42 PM
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In my point of view 2035 is not much far away from now, most probably this would be implement in rich countries it will be easier  for them, but what about poor countries? are they capable of having charging station in each and every coroner? in city it is not much big deal but what about remote areas? that's why in my opinion view mechanism of cycle must be invented which suits for cars or we can make the machines from which ethanol and fuels like petroleum can generate electricity and we can use both electric as well as ethanol based vehicles, which can help the countries which are economically less constant and produce fuels (rude oil) as well as farmers, who produce sugarcane for ethanol
I think that the process of humanity's transition to electric cars may be even easier than some people think. Along the way, we will switch to the use of alternative energy sources and, above all, solar panels, which are becoming cheaper and more powerful, with an increase in efficiency. It is possible that then there will be no big problems with recharging electric cars. Therefore, I am quite optimistic about the desire of European countries to get rid of internal combustion engines. This should have been done much earlier.

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April 25, 2023, 02:41:56 PM
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Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

I think it is true that the costs are lower than running a car with an internal combustion engine and on the question of whether this goal will be achieved, it is difficult to predict with certainty. The current condition is that many car manufacturers have committed to switching to electric vehicles in the coming years. From an efficiency and cost perspective, it is likely that electric vehicles will continue to become more efficient and affordable over time.

Well, if you look at the biggest reason because As battery technology improves, electric vehicles will be able to travel farther on a single charge, and the cost of producing batteries is expected to continue to decrease. In addition, as more automakers produce electric vehicles, economies of scale will likely lead to lower prices. for consumers.

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April 25, 2023, 03:55:09 PM
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In my point of view 2035 is not much far away from now, most probably this would be implement in rich countries it will be easier  for them, but what about poor countries? are they capable of having charging station in each and every coroner? in city it is not much big deal but what about remote areas? that's why in my opinion view mechanism of cycle must be invented which suits for cars or we can make the machines from which ethanol and fuels like petroleum can generate electricity and we can use both electric as well as ethanol based vehicles, which can help the countries which are economically less constant and produce fuels (rude oil) as well as farmers, who produce sugarcane for ethanol
I must object like an enigmatic plot twist. Conceiving a mechanism for automotive cycles isn't the solution we seek. Instead, the globe demands charging stations, transcending wealthy nation boundaries.

Easier for affluent countries? Indeed. But forsaking impoverished lands is unconscionable. United, we must unearth an answer that elevates all, irrespective of fiscal prowess.

Concurrently, investing in alternatives like ethanol and petroleum-derived fuels is commendable. However, electric vehicles cast an undeniable shadow on the horizon. Embrace the metamorphosis, and forge a sustainable legacy for humanity.

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June 29, 2023, 04:31:01 PM
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In my point of view 2035 is not much far away from now, most probably this would be implement in rich countries it will be easier  for them, but what about poor countries? are they capable of having charging station in each and every coroner? in city it is not much big deal but what about remote areas? that's why in my opinion view mechanism of cycle must be invented which suits for cars or we can make the machines from which ethanol and fuels like petroleum can generate electricity and we can use both electric as well as ethanol based vehicles, which can help the countries which are economically less constant and produce fuels (rude oil) as well as farmers, who produce sugarcane for ethanol
I must object like an enigmatic plot twist. Conceiving a mechanism for automotive cycles isn't the solution we seek. Instead, the globe demands charging stations, transcending wealthy nation boundaries.

Easier for affluent countries? Indeed. But forsaking impoverished lands is unconscionable. United, we must unearth an answer that elevates all, irrespective of fiscal prowess.

Concurrently, investing in alternatives like ethanol and petroleum-derived fuels is commendable. However, electric vehicles cast an undeniable shadow on the horizon. Embrace the metamorphosis, and forge a sustainable legacy for humanity.
People are always selfish and talk a lot and inconsistently, even if they are on the verge of an abyss. Our climate is changing very dramatically due to the predatory attitude of man to nature. And we are still discussing whether it is worth correcting the situation or not, because not everyone is ready to change their habits. Humanity will never be ready for this. Here you need to act tough, otherwise the consequences can be catastrophic. In any case, gasoline engines must be abandoned, this problem has long been overripe.

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June 30, 2023, 11:40:20 PM
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In my point of view 2035 is not much far away from now, most probably this would be implement in rich countries it will be easier  for them, but what about poor countries? are they capable of having charging station in each and every coroner? in city it is not much big deal but what about remote areas? that's why in my opinion view mechanism of cycle must be invented which suits for cars or we can make the machines from which ethanol and fuels like petroleum can generate electricity and we can use both electric as well as ethanol based vehicles, which can help the countries which are economically less constant and produce fuels (rude oil) as well as farmers, who produce sugarcane for ethanol
I must object like an enigmatic plot twist. Conceiving a mechanism for automotive cycles isn't the solution we seek. Instead, the globe demands charging stations, transcending wealthy nation boundaries.

Easier for affluent countries? Indeed. But forsaking impoverished lands is unconscionable. United, we must unearth an answer that elevates all, irrespective of fiscal prowess.

Concurrently, investing in alternatives like ethanol and petroleum-derived fuels is commendable. However, electric vehicles cast an undeniable shadow on the horizon. Embrace the metamorphosis, and forge a sustainable legacy for humanity.
People are always selfish and talk a lot and inconsistently, even if they are on the verge of an abyss. Our climate is changing very dramatically due to the predatory attitude of man to nature. And we are still discussing whether it is worth correcting the situation or not, because not everyone is ready to change their habits. Humanity will never be ready for this. Here you need to act tough, otherwise the consequences can be catastrophic. In any case, gasoline engines must be abandoned, this problem has long been overripe.
When we talk about the abandoning of gasoline engines we should also discuss about the pollution caused while manufacturing batteries that are to be fitted with the electric cars and bikes. The pollution caused during the time of pollution is very high against what is being released by petrol and diesel engines. Most of the time it is the business that drives away the old things and introduce new products into the market. For the marketing there is need of something that needs to be pointed out and in such a way is the emission discussion with the EVs.

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Zero would be a dream, its not happening.  Put it this way, peak coal was over a century ago and yet here we are still using it.   To think we wont be heavily using oil 20 or 30 years from now is unrealistic.   But also its possible to vastly reduce the usage and so the fumes emission in main cities, that would make sense to reduce drastically as we have been moving towards for decades.

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Just wondering why there are some inventors already develop solar energy engine for cars yet they are not supported by big company? Is just because of benefit they gain from big oil companies? Also, there are also study that water can also used to makes car move, why not try to invest from it and it will make a lot of individual gain from rather than small number of big companies.

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When we talk about the abandoning of gasoline engines we should also discuss about the pollution caused while manufacturing batteries that are to be fitted with the electric cars and bikes. The pollution caused during the time of pollution is very high against what is being released by petrol and diesel engines. Most of the time it is the business that drives away the old things and introduce new products into the market. For the marketing there is need of something that needs to be pointed out and in such a way is the emission discussion with the EVs.
Actually electric cars are designed for use that are environmentally friendly or reduce pollution to the environment compared to oil and diesel fuel cars will have an impact on air pollution when the car is operating, the use of batteries that accommodate electrical energy is still under development so it requires several years of testing to use clean energy sources to environment. Electric cars are now operational, so we need detailed data to review the level of pollution they produce, but I'm sure that maybe in 2050 more people will use electric cars because the price of electric cars is relatively cheap and many people are already complaining that the price of fuel oil and diesel is getting higher.

However, sometimes oil and diesel fuel are increasingly scarce because they have been stockpiled by irresponsible individuals in the interest of obtaining higher profits when world oil prices increase.

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- In highly developed countries, there is a high probability that there will be a dramatic reduction in the production and sales of PERSONAL vehicles powered by internal combustion engines. There are all the conditions for this - an acceptable income of the majority of the population to replace/buy hybrid/electric cars, a developed infrastructure for electric cars.
- In other countries, there will be a trend, but there will not be a quick transition. The reasons are exactly the opposite - insufficient income level of citizens, lagging behind the infrastructure of generation and delivery of electricity for cars of mass use.

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In my point of view 2035 is not much far away from now, most probably this would be implement in rich countries it will be easier  for them, but what about poor countries? are they capable of having charging station in each and every coroner? in city it is not much big deal but what about remote areas? that's why in my opinion view mechanism of cycle must be invented which suits for cars or we can make the machines from which ethanol and fuels like petroleum can generate electricity and we can use both electric as well as ethanol based vehicles, which can help the countries which are economically less constant and produce fuels (rude oil) as well as farmers, who produce sugarcane for ethanol
I must object like an enigmatic plot twist. Conceiving a mechanism for automotive cycles isn't the solution we seek. Instead, the globe demands charging stations, transcending wealthy nation boundaries.

Easier for affluent countries? Indeed. But forsaking impoverished lands is unconscionable. United, we must unearth an answer that elevates all, irrespective of fiscal prowess.

Concurrently, investing in alternatives like ethanol and petroleum-derived fuels is commendable. However, electric vehicles cast an undeniable shadow on the horizon. Embrace the metamorphosis, and forge a sustainable legacy for humanity.
People are always selfish and talk a lot and inconsistently, even if they are on the verge of an abyss. Our climate is changing very dramatically due to the predatory attitude of man to nature. And we are still discussing whether it is worth correcting the situation or not, because not everyone is ready to change their habits. Humanity will never be ready for this. Here you need to act tough, otherwise the consequences can be catastrophic. In any case, gasoline engines must be abandoned, this problem has long been overripe.

This is a discussion that has been going on for quite a long time and is still going on, but humans will find it difficult to change if they are comfortable or happy with what they are getting now and continue to drain it until there is nothing left in the future.

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That might only happen in a few developed countries and in some developing countries. And most countries probably won't finish building infrastructure for electric cars and the like that don't require petrol or diesel fuel.

But in Indonesia, the construction of infrastructure for electric cars is currently being carried out quickly. the target this year there should be around 3,000 units of Public Electric Vehicle Charging Stations (SPKLU)1. But still, this may not mean that in 2035 Indonesia will fully use electric vehicles for its citizens. because the territory of Indonesia is quite wide.

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Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?
It will take a longer period of time to truly convince users that electric vehicles are more efficient than those with internal combustion engines. We are still in the kick-start phase, so it will require another 5 to 10 years to determine whether electric cars are more efficient than current automobiles.

Furthermore, the maintenance costs are currently high due to the limited availability of spare parts in this early adoption stage. Therefore, any form of damage is inevitably much costlier compared to traditional fuel-powered vehicles.

Society always tends to opt for transportation modes that are more cost-effective, both in terms of maintenance and daily consumption. They tend to disregard the environment's excessive exposure to CO2, as its impacts are not immediately felt.
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In my point of view 2035 is not much far away from now, most probably this would be implement in rich countries it will be easier  for them, but what about poor countries? are they capable of having charging station in each and every coroner? in city it is not much big deal but what about remote areas? that's why in my opinion view mechanism of cycle must be invented which suits for cars or we can make the machines from which ethanol and fuels like petroleum can generate electricity and we can use both electric as well as ethanol based vehicles, which can help the countries which are economically less constant and produce fuels (rude oil) as well as farmers, who produce sugarcane for ethanol
I think that the process of humanity's transition to electric cars may be even easier than some people think. Along the way, we will switch to the use of alternative energy sources and, above all, solar panels, which are becoming cheaper and more powerful, with an increase in efficiency. It is possible that then there will be no big problems with recharging electric cars. Therefore, I am quite optimistic about the desire of European countries to get rid of internal combustion engines. This should have been done much earlier.

Right now, what I'm noticing here in our country is that vehicles such as single motors that are Chinacharge-only E-bikes are called only the battery, no fuel is needed, and even if you don't have a license, they are gradually becoming known and promoted you can also use it, there are now the new ones that come out almost as fast as a gasoline motor but only charge it before charging for 8-12hrs.

If this continues to happen, then if I look at it, it will look better to use than the ordinary motor that I will spend fuel on when it is no longer. Then it is eco-friendly compared to gasoline which is not.



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July 03, 2023, 07:46:47 AM
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Just wondering why there are some inventors already develop solar energy engine for cars yet they are not supported by big company? Is just because of benefit they gain from big oil companies? Also, there are also study that water can also used to makes car move, why not try to invest from it and it will make a lot of individual gain from rather than small number of big companies.

One of the reasons why solar cars are not supported by big companies is because they are unreliable at night and because panels are easy to break. Just imagine if someone throws a stone on it and one panel is damaged, and you can't get the full capacity of charging. Also, with the water, there is a lot of controversy because we know oil companies are big players, and if that water fuel car is implemented, then for sure a lot of those companies would be affected, even the countries, but again, for sure you've heard about what happened to those inventors on it.
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The correct answer is this:
- In highly developed countries, there is a high probability that there will be a dramatic reduction in the production and sales of PERSONAL vehicles powered by internal combustion engines. There are all the conditions for this - an acceptable income of the majority of the population to replace/buy hybrid/electric cars, a developed infrastructure for electric cars.
- In other countries, there will be a trend, but there will not be a quick transition. The reasons are exactly the opposite - insufficient income level of citizens, lagging behind the infrastructure of generation and delivery of electricity for cars of mass use.

There is more to why this adaptation of electronic cars will be difficult in less developed countries, it's not that some individuals don't have the money to purchase this vehicles to follow the trend but where to use it becomes a challenge due to bad roads. Most of these hybrid cars can only be use where there is good roads and source of electricity and the less developed countries are always having this problem of having 24/7 power supply, how will they use these cars, they don't have good infrastructure to begin with, I can't imagine cases of emergency and no source of power in the car, it will be a terrible thing to observed.

The dream of no petrol cars might be effective and soar in developed countries but I don't think so for third world countries that are struggling to feed and cure poverty rate, because it has been proven that Electric cars are even more costly than petrol cars. Many people will settle for the lessers price even in developed countries where the trend will be available.

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The correct answer is this:
- In highly developed countries, there is a high probability that there will be a dramatic reduction in the production and sales of PERSONAL vehicles powered by internal combustion engines. There are all the conditions for this - an acceptable income of the majority of the population to replace/buy hybrid/electric cars, a developed infrastructure for electric cars.
- In other countries, there will be a trend, but there will not be a quick transition. The reasons are exactly the opposite - insufficient income level of citizens, lagging behind the infrastructure of generation and delivery of electricity for cars of mass use.

There is more to why this adaptation of electronic cars will be difficult in less developed countries, it's not that some individuals don't have the money to purchase this vehicles to follow the trend but where to use it becomes a challenge due to bad roads. Most of these hybrid cars can only be use where there is good roads and source of electricity and the less developed countries are always having this problem of having 24/7 power supply, how will they use these cars, they don't have good infrastructure to begin with, I can't imagine cases of emergency and no source of power in the car, it will be a terrible thing to observed.

The dream of no petrol cars might be effective and soar in developed countries but I don't think so for third world countries that are struggling to feed and cure poverty rate, because it has been proven that Electric cars are even more costly than petrol cars. Many people will settle for the lessers price even in developed countries where the trend will be available.

What about electric SUVs ? There is a good number of such cars available on the market, which makes bad roads aint biggest problem of electric car adoption. Price isnt the bigger problem as well. Yes electric cars are more expensive than cars that runs on regular petrol, but we are now in electric cars trend. 5-10 years and we wont be surprised to see electric car in a tiny and forgotten village.

The main problems are short number of charging stations (that depends from the city and more stations can be installed with time) and charging time. Until developers dont figure out how to fully charge electric car with less than 5 min and make them run for +700km on a single tank, there wont be mass adoption. Current electric cars are for use in-city only. As soon as you want to travel or drive out of the city, we go back 30-50 years. To times when we have to plan our route, we are bond to using map. Yet we cant hop in and drive in any direction we want and as long as we want.

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How about those poor countries? Are they capable of having charging stations in those remote areas? I think this would be implemented in rich countries, as they are sure to be capable of it. For sure, in that year, electric cars will be more affordable compared to their price right now, as most people really want electric vehicles, but the problem is that they don't have charging stations, and the price is also very expensive. Also now for sure that it is pretty normal to see electric cars running on the road, unlike right now, it is a head-turner when you see one.
Maybe only certain countries can replace the dominance of petrol/diesel fuel cars with electric cars that are environmentally friendly, such as Germany, which has excess electricity supply, maybe the realization can be quicker. To realize electric cars dominate in a country or kill petrol/diesel fuel cars, it needs a bigger supply of electricity because to charge an electric car battery reportedly it takes 6000 VA for one car.
The popularity of electric cars has skyrocketed thanks to technological breakthroughs by Tesla, General Motors (GM) and Nissan, which have resulted in low-cost production of batteries for vehicles. The role of electric cars is considered very important for the purpose of minimizing exhaust emissions, greenhouse emissions and air pollution. Several major countries are starting to draw up plans to end sales of vehicles that use petrol/diesel fuel.

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