No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream?

[coupable]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

The energy crisis that Europe is going through since entering into an indirect confrontation with Russia has made it think of alternatives that do not make Europe dependent on any party.
If we talk about the European Union only, and if we take into account the number of companies working in the field of hydraulic cars, it is difficult to eliminate this industry within 12 years only because the European market is one of the largest consumers of this type of car.
At the same time, what are the proposed alternatives to diesel cars. Electric cars may offer an alternative, but this industry also has its problems (mainly batteries), and I do not think that the global production of electric cars will be able to meet the needs of the market.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Personally, I am expecting the price of electric vehicles to come down drastically as soon as demand increases, i believe that the reason why the prices are still on the high side is because -
1. There is no much demand for EVs around the world yet, and as such, only a very few of them are being produced based on demand, this is why they are currently very expensive.
2. Due to low demand, it is currently just a few companies that are making EVs, and because of this, there is currently no market competition for electric vehicles yet, the value of EVs will greatly decrease as soon as the demand rises and more car manufacturing companies move into manufacturing EVs, price will decrease because of EV companies competing amongst themselves to be the market leader of most EVs sold.

And yes, I agree that a complete electric vehicle society is very possible and achievable by 2035.

[Quidat]

I doubt petrol/diesel cars will be phased out by then. Petro states will surely be against this big time and they will not allow this to happen at all costs. There probably would be a large cut on the number of ICE cars that will be produced but they will never be removed from the markets until the oil from these petro states are completely depleted and there's no more oil to be had. Perhaps a lot of countries will opt to a lot of hybrids in the coming years instead of fully abandoning petrol cars, and that is the safer option IMO.

They wont really be allowing it to happen and if EV would really be pushed through but still there would be those hybrids which do really still remain those combustion engine.Whether we do like it or not
i would really that still preferred on having those petrol/diesel cars compared to those electrified ones if we do speak about torque which is something that incomparable
if we do speak into it.Im not saying that EV's are shit but they are really that not just enough on patching up petrol cars all the way.Yes it does help out the environment but
there are really things which arent meant to be solely be focused on.

[Hydrogen]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Statistically, it is known global production of EVs would be required to significantly ramp up for 2035 deadlines to be met.

Copper production would need to increase multiple times over, to meet copper wire demand for EVs. Credit and liquidity could be required to fund the expansion. A healthy consumer market would be needed to purchase the EV's and keep automakers solvent during the vulnerable transition from gasoline combustion vehicles to electric or hybrid. There are a number of dominos that would need to fall into place for a transition from fossil fuel to electric vehicles being possible.

Tesla has planned for many years to built a discount EV priced @ $25,000. Their entry level vehicle could be constructed using tesla's new 4096 tabless batteries. The logistics and price point of the vehicle have been in the works since before COVID and could be exactly what EVs need to hit mainstream markets.

China also has its own range of EVs, some of which are selling in the USA at prices as low as $2,000. There are some analysts who claim china is positioned to takeover the EV market. Although it remains to be seen if they will pan out.

[Lanatsa]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Personally, I am expecting the price of electric vehicles to come down drastically as soon as demand increases, i believe that the reason why the prices are still on the high side is because -
1. There is no much demand for EVs around the world yet, and as such, only a very few of them are being produced based on demand, this is why they are currently very expensive.
2. Due to low demand, it is currently just a few companies that are making EVs, and because of this, there is currently no market competition for electric vehicles yet, the value of EVs will greatly decrease as soon as the demand rises and more car manufacturing companies move into manufacturing EVs, price will decrease because of EV companies competing amongst themselves to be the market leader of most EVs sold.

And yes, I agree that a complete electric vehicle society is very possible and achievable by 2035.

Trying to compare out the prices then it isnt really that justifiable i would say which it is really that too much expensive on buying those EV's without even considering into those expensive maintenance in the future specially about its battery packs.

We arent that dumb not to consider out on how these vehicles would be asking on a particular period which means it would be adding up the cost and expenses which it wont really be that cheap.
I agree on some points above that the performance wouldnt really be the same when we do speak about those petrol powered engines than into electrical ones.

[White pawn]

2035 is not too far away. It’s 12 years away. I don’t think the EU could totally eliminate petrol and diesel fueled vehicles in that amount of time.

I thought this isn't enough time for car manufacturers to sell all vehicles they have in inventory and also allow their research departments to find ways to build these electric cars cost effectively while making a profit...well only time will tell if this deadline can be met.

It definitely isn’t enough time for car manufacturers to sell all their petrol and diesel fueled cars they’ve got in inventory. They’ve probably gotten teams already put together way back to research effective ways in which they could easily transition to electric driven vehicles. They would have done so purely for business purposes.
No doubt, the world is slowly moving away from its dependence on oil. It would take quite a while cause we’ve been so reliant on oil. It sure would not take 12 years.

[Die_empty]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

This news is a better-sweet one for my country. It is a bitter one because majority of our income comes from selling crude oil. The ban of electric cars might lead to less consumption of crude oil which will negatively affect our economy.
It is a good one because petrol and diesel powered engines are really destroying our environment because of it's waste emission. So may people have been diagnosed of respiratory problems because of this environmental pollution. This news is also a wake-up call to our government to start making moves to diversify our economy.

It might not be possible for the entire European bloc to achieve this aim in 2035 because thier economy and technology are not in the same level. Some might achieve this feat while others might phaseout diesel and petrol powered cars later.

[capedbaldy]

2035 is not too far away. It’s 12 years away. I don’t think the EU could totally eliminate petrol and diesel fueled vehicles in that amount of time.

I thought this isn't enough time for car manufacturers to sell all vehicles they have in inventory and also allow their research departments to find ways to build these electric cars cost effectively while making a profit...well only time will tell if this deadline can be met.

It definitely isn’t enough time for car manufacturers to sell all their petrol and diesel fueled cars they’ve got in inventory. They’ve probably gotten teams already put together way back to research effective ways in which they could easily transition to electric driven vehicles. They would have done so purely for business purposes.
No doubt, the world is slowly moving away from its dependence on oil. It would take quite a while cause we’ve been so reliant on oil. It sure would not take 12 years.

Although currently there are many promotions for electric cars but only for advanced urban areas, recharging is not available in other areas. So planning for a worldwide deployment of car chargers will take a very long time. I take for example the 5G network example, even though the network card and cellphone support the 5G network, but not all regions have updated the network on the tower.

[shinratensei_]

honestly I think it depends in the effort of building the infrastructure of electric vehicle, I'm sure all those companies don't want their distribution line to be stretched in time just because charging an EV took hours. I'm sure the bigger the vehicle the more battery it gonna needs means longer charging time, I'd say until EV becomes more efficient in terms of time it's never gonna replace fossil fueled vehicles in general.
but it's always good to have some cleaner air so if by that time the EV dominates fossil fueled car that'd become a good news.
It's just that i'm sure it's gonna took longer than that if they're not really commited in building infrastructure and maybe investing heavily in the research of increasing the efficiency and maybe finding some alternatives for its battery like graphene so that the battery tech would take some leaps in giving better alternatives.

[Uruhara]

maybe in developed countries electric cars will indeed be fully used by the people in 2035. because in developed countries I am quite sure that the development of electric car infrastructure will be completed more quickly. but in developing countries I doubt it. because building infrastructure for charging electric cars also requires very high costs. and I doubt that in 2035 all developing countries and below will be able to complete the construction of electric car charging infrastructure in every corner of the country.

but in Indonesia the government seems to want to finish the electric car infrastructure more quickly, namely the plan is to finish it in 2025. And Indonesia is a developing country that has a passion for infrastructure development in all matters of technological progress, both electric cars and others.

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[Hispo]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.

But the actual cost of making one is going to create another shortage. Its battery will be the next problem that shall be made when most cars are already EVs.

What if the actual plan is to get people used to not having their own vehicle but rather depend on public transportation?
If the prices of batteries and EV rise over the capacity of the average citizen, I bet government won't care much to reduce those prices but rather have a good enough electric buses and subways.

The law only applies for new cars, so obviously gas vehicles will slowly die due to obsolescence.

[KennyR]

This is going to be hard to execute, because the oil dependent countries will face surely experience economic downturn. In oil dependent countries the fuel expense is cheaper than using an electric vehicle. Atleast for that reason it is possible to see petrol and diesel vehicles running on those countries. The plan to eliminate petrol and diesel vehicles will be applicable for specific countries and not for all the countries.

If such scenario exists does the F1 races too have the electric vehicles that go for the battery change in pitstop between laps.

[Jawhead999]

The price of electric cars will go down as more people begin to buy them and manufacturers can afford to sell their cars for a lower price as they obtain profits due to the volume they manage

Your analogy doesn't make sense, if many people start to buy electric car, the price of the car will increase because it have a high demand. What can make electric car is cheaper because there are a lot manufactures can produce a lot electric car, so they need to set an appropriate price in order to make people buy it and not looking on the other manufactures.

This is going to be hard to execute, because the oil dependent countries will face surely experience economic downturn. In oil dependent countries the fuel expense is cheaper than using an electric vehicle. Atleast for that reason it is possible to see petrol and diesel vehicles running on those countries. The plan to eliminate petrol and diesel vehicles will be applicable for specific countries and not for all the countries.

The @OP has been mentioned it will happen on EU, not majority of countries around the world. Even though there are few countries have a lot oil, but it wouldn't last long and they're forced to adopt electric car in the future. Those countries need to move more faster before it will cause a panic and economic problem.

[aseev]

The price of electric cars will go down as more people begin to buy them and manufacturers can afford to sell their cars for a lower price as they obtain profits due to the volume they manage

Your analogy doesn't make sense, if many people start to buy electric car, the price of the car will increase because it have a high demand. What can make electric car is cheaper because there are a lot manufactures can produce a lot electric car, so they need to set an appropriate price in order to make people buy it and not looking on the other manufactures.

That's called economy of scale. Economies of scale are when the more you produce of something, the cheaper it gets. This is because you can spread out the costs of production over a larger number of units you make.

For example, let's say you run a factory that produces bicycles. If you only produce a few bicycles, you'll have to pay for things like rent, electricity, and employee wages, but you'll be spreading those costs over a small number of bicycles. This means that the cost per bicycle will be relatively high.

If you start producing more bicycles, you can spread those same costs over a larger number of bicycles and the cost per bicycle will go down, making it cheaper for you to produce each bicycle.

With electric cars, a lot of costs go into batteries and electronics. The fewer cars you make the more expensive they are. Hope this makes sense.

[shinratensei_]

This is going to be hard to execute, because the oil dependent countries will face surely experience economic downturn. In oil dependent countries the fuel expense is cheaper than using an electric vehicle. Atleast for that reason it is possible to see petrol and diesel vehicles running on those countries. The plan to eliminate petrol and diesel vehicles will be applicable for specific countries and not for all the countries.

It's not too hard but the problem is there are too many limitations for the electric car especially in how long distance that can be travelled caused by it's not so many vehicles that can travel very long distances. Battercy capacity, eficientcy of vehicle will always become very big questions as you can't get cheap electric vehicles with big battery that can achieve long distance to travel.

If such scenario exists does the F1 races too have the electric vehicles that go for the battery change in pitstop between laps.

You have formula e which already exist https://www.fiaformulae.com/en

That was fully based on electricity. I have never watched it before. I see no problem even when it was moving to the fully electricity.

[maydna]

Maybe it can be achieved in 2035 or even sooner because now, production for electric cars seems to have started to accelerate. Reducing petrol and diesel fueled vehicles is needed because there are very worrying where is a lot of pollution in every big city.

But the technology for electric cars is still being developed to reach the desired stage. There will probably be a reduction in sales of petrol and diesel vehicles while continuing to roll out electric vehicles that can accommodate that need. Maybe European countries already feel ready with the technology for electric vehicles so they make laws so that things can start right away when the time comes.

[DrBeer]

There is nothing fantastic about this idea. In Norway, for example, now 4 out of 5 cars sold are electric cars. And from 2025 they plan to completely stop selling private cars with internal combustion engines. The question is not "pushing through some green programs", the question is that fossil deposits are not unlimited, but in addition to ICE, oil has its own markets - this is the chemical industry, and for the time being oil is definitely indispensable there. And transport is quietly migrating either to hybrid solutions (transitional period) or then to fully electric ones. Especially since today, in the United States, a working controlled thermonuclear fusion has been experimentally obtained, which in the future will make it possible to obtain a huge amount of cheap energy without environmental pollution. Now they are just hysterical and throw fakes like "you can't live without oil", countries that are technologically backward and are raw material appendages of the developed world. The UAE, being the strongest supplier of oil, has been actively investing in alternative energy for 2 decades (this is tens of billions of dollars received from the sale of oil). And those who are backward - squeal "you will die without our oil." These are squeals from the authors of the touching fairy tale "Europe will freeze without our gas" )

[xSkylarx]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.

But the actual cost of making one is going to create another shortage. Its battery will be the next problem that shall be made when most cars are already EVs.

I don't know if you heard this, but there is a new trend of mining right now under the ocean, where they will get tons of minerals and also use them for creating batteries. A lot of companies are racing on this to first make their own machines to extract those minerals, and it is also supported by governments as it is way less destructive than the actual mining we have right now, which destroys forests. Their main purpose also on this is getting ready for the demand for making EV vehicles in the future.

[boyptc]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.

But the actual cost of making one is going to create another shortage. Its battery will be the next problem that shall be made when most cars are already EVs.

What if the actual plan is to get people used to not having their own vehicle but rather depend on public transportation?
If the prices of batteries and EV rise over the capacity of the average citizen, I bet government won't care much to reduce those prices but rather have a good enough electric buses and subways.

The law only applies for new cars, so obviously gas vehicles will slowly die due to obsolescence.

I would love to have that time when most public transportation are reliable just like in Japan and other rich countries. Because I can see that many countries are car eccentric and that's why public transportation is like an option for those that can't afford.

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.

But the actual cost of making one is going to create another shortage. Its battery will be the next problem that shall be made when most cars are already EVs.

I don't know if you heard this, but there is a new trend of mining right now under the ocean, where they will get tons of minerals and also use them for creating batteries. A lot of companies are racing on this to first make their own machines to extract those minerals, and it is also supported by governments as it is way less destructive than the actual mining we have right now, which destroys forests. Their main purpose also on this is getting ready for the demand for making EV vehicles in the future.

I didn't know and never heard of it.

If there's a way to mine for those mineral for creating batteries then that's good but, I'd say that it won't be permanent and there will still be a shortage once the demand increases for EVs.

[xSkylarx]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.

But the actual cost of making one is going to create another shortage. Its battery will be the next problem that shall be made when most cars are already EVs.

I don't know if you heard this, but there is a new trend of mining right now under the ocean, where they will get tons of minerals and also use them for creating batteries. A lot of companies are racing on this to first make their own machines to extract those minerals, and it is also supported by governments as it is way less destructive than the actual mining we have right now, which destroys forests. Their main purpose also on this is getting ready for the demand for making EV vehicles in the future.

I didn't know and never heard of it.

If there's a way to mine for those mineral for creating batteries then that's good but, I'd say that it won't be permanent and there will still be a shortage once the demand increases for EVs.

Incase you need it here is an article about it Source though there are also cons of it they said but I think this cant be stopped right now as we really need this materials in the future. It wouldn't be permanent but our ocean is I think 70% right so it is huge than our land masses so probably it will take more time that we will going to shortage on this but the biggest problem right now is how it contributes to environment as for sure we are affected on it.