No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream?

[hugeblack]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

[Flexystar]

Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Obviously they will be far cheaper than the current market price. If they have planned legal action on the gas based cars then those companies will simply switch to manufacture the cars which are electric based. Thus it will flood the whole market with EV’s having good supply of them and lowering the prices eventually. There will be competition between the companies to manufacture the classic yet affordable cars which will be by far at good prices.

However, the main question is whether EU’s vision will be followed by all the planet? I highly doubt because vehicle market is one of the biggest one and the oil/gasoline market is even bigger than that.

Governments receive big load of taxations from the gasoline sell and car sells as well. Road taxes, service industry, car wash, water under control, authorities with testing labs and what not. They will get paid form every sector that concentrates on vehicle business.

With EV there are already half of the stuff that will go off the market including trillion dollar oil business.

EV will increase the demand of electricity and in turn it will increase the production by all means or increase the electricity costs everywhere.

For this reason it’s thinkable whether this Change is really possible within next decade ??

[boyptc]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.

But the actual cost of making one is going to create another shortage. Its battery will be the next problem that shall be made when most cars are already EVs.

So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

I think within a decade, we might see around 10%-30% of it in the actuality. But still, many countries won't be able to adopt that quickly based on the situation that they've got for these EVs.

IMO, hybrid would be the thing in the next decade and implementing and supplying fully EVs will really resort to another shortage and manufacturing problem.

[NeuroticFish]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.

For the end user, after the initial buying price? Probably.
Overall? No. The batteries are expensive and their production is harmful for the environment. I don't think that most countries will even have proper battery disposal facilities by 2035.
Even the charging of EV is a difficult problem, because it can drain the grid under safety levels. EV can have a proper future only after we (humans) invent much better ways of storing electricity for both EV, charging stations, regions (!!).

So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

No. But it will ensure steps towards that.
Remember the original economy light bulbs? They were all neon bulbs with toxic materials in. Meanwhile we switched to LED bulbs. I think that this is the intention: a push towards evolving.

[xSkylarx]

How about those poor countries? Are they capable of having charging stations in those remote areas? I think this would be implemented in rich countries, as they are sure to be capable of it. For sure, in that year, electric cars will be more affordable compared to their price right now, as most people really want electric vehicles, but the problem is that they don't have charging stations, and the price is also very expensive. Also now for sure that it is pretty normal to see electric cars running on the road, unlike right now, it is a head-turner when you see one.

[Smartprofit]

How about those poor countries? Are they capable of having charging stations in those remote areas? I think this would be implemented in rich countries, as they are sure to be capable of it. For sure, in that year, electric cars will be more affordable compared to their price right now, as most people really want electric vehicles, but the problem is that they don't have charging stations, and the price is also very expensive. Also now for sure that it is pretty normal to see electric cars running on the road, unlike right now, it is a head-turner when you see one.

As a child, I loved to read Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. 

The hero of this novel is the legendary captain Nemo (aka the Indian prince Dakkar).  Captain Nemo built a submarine called the Nautilus.  She was completely powered by electricity!  All Captain Nemo's underwater equipment also worked exclusively on electricity - guns with electric bullets (with which he killed all the pirates), diving suits, etc. 

In the 19th century, it was self-evident that in the future electricity would be the basis of scientific and technological progress. 

Therefore, diesel-powered vehicles are now perceived as a technical regression and a dead end in technological development. 

By 2035, by far, most cars on the road will be electric cars (rather than cars using internal combustion engines). 

At the same time, poor countries will switch to electric vehicles later than rich ones (and this has its advantages, as it will allow them to install the most modern next-generation charging stations).

[Lucius]

I think it's just someone's dream, especially those who all the time push some green agendas when it comes to the EU, and then suddenly open thermal power plants using coal, heating oil and similar pollutants because "green" has become unsustainable at this moment. Perhaps some countries will succeed in achieving this goal, but these will still be exceptions in a world where oil will continue to rule much longer than 2035.

I also think that the big oil producers will not just accept that their black gold becomes less valuable with the potential to become completely worthless in the future. In addition, the production of electric cars is quite expensive, and for those who do not know, the basic model of our great hero Mr. Mars costs (at least in my country) over 50 000 EUR (at least it was like that a few months ago). If you're wondering why it costs so much, it's probably because the owner has to pay all those poor people who work all day in the cobalt mines for $2 a day.

[pooya87]

I also think that the big oil producers will not just accept that their black gold becomes less valuable with the potential to become completely worthless in the future.

It's never gonna happen simply because despite popular belief petroleum is not just used as fuel. Loads of different products are being derived from petroleum as products. From the makeup women use to the shaving cream men use, to plastic that is used in almost everything like your home appliance and even the "Electric Cars". It is even used in manufacturing fertilizers so the food industry is dependent on it.

[White pawn]

2035 is not too far away. It’s 12 years away. I don’t think the EU could totally eliminate petrol and diesel fueled vehicles in that amount of time. The world with the EU in it has been far too reliant on petrol and diesel fuel vehicles for too long. From comments I’ve read on various places, I think there are still people that prefer petrol fueled cars and don’t like the idea of having electric vehicles for whatever reasons.

From the article, I understood that the production of petrol and diesel used vehicles would stop by 2035. Also the law would be in phases. Perhaps that could be exploited by oil giants to stall the full implementation of the law. But surely, people would still be buying and using petrol fueled cars far beyond the year 2035.

[stompix]

As a child, I loved to read Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.  
The hero of this novel is the legendary captain Nemo (aka the Indian prince Dakkar).  Captain Nemo built a submarine called the Nautilus.  She was completely powered by electricity!  All Captain Nemo's underwater equipment also worked exclusively on electricity - guns with electric bullets (with which he killed all the pirates), diving suits, etc.  

You missed the part about producing the electricity in the first place, which kind of ironic in this context, was done with coal:

"Captain, I fully understand the excellence of sodium under the conditions in which you're placed. The sea contains it. Fine. But it still has to be produced, in short, extracted. And how do you accomplish this? Obviously your batteries could do the extracting; but if I'm not mistaken, the consumption of sodium needed by your electric equipment would be greater than the quantity you'd extract. It would come about, then, that in the process of producing your sodium, you'd use up more than you'd make!"
"Accordingly, professor, I don't extract it with batteries; quite simply, I utilize the heat of coal from the earth."

So you see, nothing has changed, even if you have an electric car as long as you don't power it with green electricity but with gas and coal you're back in the 19th century.

I also think that the big oil producers will not just accept that their black gold becomes less valuable with the potential to become completely worthless in the future.

Some of them will just move to other ventures, as Aramco is already doing it, Shell has 90 000 charging stations already and plans 500 000, the world has learned how dangerous is to rely on energy imports and everyone wants it produced locally, and the ones that thought they could blackmail the world with it are in for one hell of a surprise.
If somehow the EU manages to finally silence the hardcore eco groups, those that oppose everything, and go ahead with PSH systems to balance the grid, it can drive the prices of operating a EV car so much it won't matter to the initial difference in cost anymore. Plus, there is always the hydrogen fuel cell car, one that   Musk doesn't like!

[Fortify]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

It would definitely be a dream for all, but frankly it is only possible for the very richest countries at the moment and the more developing countries will slowly get more of this technology after it becomes cheaper later on. One thing that I hope the politicians and policy makers are taking into consideration is how much pollution is produced from things like the rare metals that batteries contain and that should definitely be factored into the pollution & ecological calculations. If in switching from oil to precious materials we end up releasing poison in a different form, it's a shallow way to act. In the long run electric vehicles should be much better for air quality in many ways, but maybe the next step is re-inventing the wheel - rubber leaves a big mess of it's own.

[Woodie]

For an automobile cutting down carbon emissions by 100 percent is not possible, best if they said cutting down Co2 we shall buy this!

Btw there are other components of electric cars that will always emit this element talk about tires these will always have a carbon footprint , besides an increase in electric vehicles on the road means more pressure on electricity generation which means fossil fuels will still be burnt to try and produce more of this, but for the sake of the next generation...we have to support the cause as doing nothing we cause more damage and its best to try with something one step at a time till will get to the zero emissions

2035 is not too far away. It’s 12 years away. I don’t think the EU could totally eliminate petrol and diesel fueled vehicles in that amount of time.

I thought this isn't enough time for car manufacturers to sell all vehicles they have in inventory and also allow their research departments to find ways to build these electric cars cost effectively while making a profit...well only time will tell if this deadline can be met.

[Zaguru12]

Electrical cars comes with its advantages most importantly it will make the environment more conducive for breathing since it won’t emit any harmful gases.
IT’s adoption will be drive by the government. For example in Africa the cost of purchasing Electrical cars might be too expensive except maybe the government provide incentives to purchase it. The biggest challenge for a continent like Africa in moving away from fossil fuel cars is electricity. Electricity has always been an issue which does comes cheap. For instance to a charge a Tesla car cost up to 4,000 Nigeria naira which is equivalent to the 13% of the country’s minimum wage.

Another challenge is will countries that produce oil and gas not be greatly affected by it mass adoption?

[Gyfts]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

It's nothing more than theatrics. There isn't an electrical grid that exists today that could take all petrol powered vehicles and support them if they required electrical charging stations. The grid would not be able to handle that volume.

If would take many more decades for the infrastructure to be build and for EV/battery technology to be perfected to actually be more efficient than traditional vehicles. Keep in mind, the batteries need raw metals to be manufactured, and it requires energy to extract these metals through mining operations. The calculus of EV's does not merely exist within the confines of a charging station. There's a lot more that's involved.

[teosanru]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

It can definitely be a reality especially for the Europe it can be a reality much sooner than the rest of the world. Reason is Europe is already ahead in this race than others and most the electricity produced in the country also comes from non conventional and non polluting renewable sources only which makes sense for them to implement e vehicles. 15 years down the dream can definitely be a reality. But for overall airpollution and CO2 levels i am not so sure how much of it comes from Vehicles only.

[dothebeats]

I doubt petrol/diesel cars will be phased out by then. Petro states will surely be against this big time and they will not allow this to happen at all costs. There probably would be a large cut on the number of ICE cars that will be produced but they will never be removed from the markets until the oil from these petro states are completely depleted and there's no more oil to be had. Perhaps a lot of countries will opt to a lot of hybrids in the coming years instead of fully abandoning petrol cars, and that is the safer option IMO.

[avikz]

Can be a reality in smaller countries like many EU countries but not at all practical for the bigger countries like Russia, China, US, India, Australia etc. Also the price of an EV is a big turndown. 40% of the cost goes to just it's battery.

I quite often go for a long drive. I do at least one long drive every month. Now if I want to use EV, every single time I will have to halt for at least an hour just to recharge the car.

So the target of 2035 looks quite ambitious to me. Unless a technological breakthrough is achieved like fast charging or extraordinary range, EV will remain impractical for bigger countries.

[Smartprofit]

Can be a reality in smaller countries like many EU countries but not at all practical for the bigger countries like Russia, China, US, India, Australia etc. Also the price of an EV is a big turndown. 40% of the cost goes to just it's battery.

I quite often go for a long drive. I do at least one long drive every month. Now if I want to use EV, every single time I will have to halt for at least an hour just to recharge the car.

So the target of 2035 looks quite ambitious to me. Unless a technological breakthrough is achieved like fast charging or extraordinary range, EV will remain impractical for bigger countries.

I have used LG smartphones before.  They were great smartphones (great design, great screen, light weight, great cameras). 

However, their battery life left a lot to be desired.  Also, these smartphones very slowly charged the battery from charging. 

However, now I use smartphones from the Chinese company Xiaomi and see great progress in the field of batteries and fast charging technology.  Batteries easily hold a charge for two days, and charge in 40 minutes.  This indicates that technological progress is developing very quickly. 

Returning to LG smartphones - despite the weak battery, they had a very useful feature - a removable battery.  Electric vehicles may also have a removable battery that can be quickly replaced while driving.

[TimeTeller]

Can be a reality in smaller countries like many EU countries but not at all practical for the bigger countries like Russia, China, US, India, Australia etc. Also the price of an EV is a big turndown. 40% of the cost goes to just it's battery.

I quite often go for a long drive. I do at least one long drive every month. Now if I want to use EV, every single time I will have to halt for at least an hour just to recharge the car.

So the target of 2035 looks quite ambitious to me. Unless a technological breakthrough is achieved like fast charging or extraordinary range, EV will remain impractical for bigger countries.

That's one obstacle of EVs, not for long driving if the place has no charging stations yet.
The target may be true to some European countries, but I believe the rest of the world may still be having these petrol/diesel cars at that time.
This aim can easily be implemented in small developed countries like Singapore, but most of the third world countries can't afford this yet.
I just hope that by the year 2035, EVs are more affordable in price, as this is one of the bottlenecks why most people won't let go of the traditional cars.

[South Park]

Can be a reality in smaller countries like many EU countries but not at all practical for the bigger countries like Russia, China, US, India, Australia etc. Also the price of an EV is a big turndown. 40% of the cost goes to just it's battery.

I quite often go for a long drive. I do at least one long drive every month. Now if I want to use EV, every single time I will have to halt for at least an hour just to recharge the car.

So the target of 2035 looks quite ambitious to me. Unless a technological breakthrough is achieved like fast charging or extraordinary range, EV will remain impractical for bigger countries.

That's one obstacle of EVs, not for long driving if the place has no charging stations yet.
The target may be true to some European countries, but I believe the rest of the world may still be having these petrol/diesel cars at that time.
This aim can easily be implemented in small developed countries like Singapore, but most of the third world countries can't afford this yet.
I just hope that by the year 2035, EVs are more affordable in price, as this is one of the bottlenecks why most people won't let go of the traditional cars.

The price of electric cars will go down as more people begin to buy them and manufacturers can afford to sell their cars for a lower price as they obtain profits due to the volume they manage, however it is difficult to see those cars ever being as cheap as conventional cars, so I doubt we will see much adoption of electric cars on the countries which are still developing their economies, also the average individual is not doing so well and it is possible that in the future they may decide to use the public transportation instead of buying an electric car as this becomes a luxury outside of what your average family can afford.