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November 05, 2023, 05:27:11 PM
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Zero-emission cars by 2035
The net zero goal is also referred to as carbon neutrality. State in which a country's emissions are compensated by the absorption and removal of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Absorption of emissions can be increased by creating more carbon sinks, such as forests. If the absorption and removal exceed the actual emissions, it is even possible for a country to have negative emissions (e.g., Bhutan). Global carbon neutrality is the only way to achieve the Paris Agreement target. So the banning of petrol and diesel cars by 2035 is a welcome approach, and we will wait and see if it becomes a dream or reality.

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November 06, 2023, 09:47:29 AM
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I think the first step to switching from regular petrol cars to EV would take more than 10 years, as we first need to make changes in human minds and their vision of EV. A lot of people think that the only advantage of EV is that they pollute less than petrol or diesel. But many people still afraid of battery maintenance. They dont know how much it will cost, but a lot of people still are scared of used EV or hybrid cars. That is just a fact, many would not buy EV or hybrid cars because battery replacement cost "like 1/2 or 1/3" of a car.

Absolutely agree with you. Paradigm shifts and global technology shifts, in the mass market, take decades.

And there are a lot of nuances, from economic nuances to mental perception. Do you know how long the world has been moving away from horse-drawn vehicles to automobiles? And there are still countries and regions that use horse-drawn carts, buffalo in the fields....
I am absolutely sure that mass transition will be limited to some countries with high standard of living, developed infrastructure, population living in the "future" (including concern about future ecology).

So the conversation is more about mass trend than about mass transition Smiley

To bad every single trend has an end. I dont know what really gonna force people to stop producing and using petrol/diesel cars. What is the worlds oil supply? Is the amount of oil that still can be gained calculated? Lack of oil is the only reason why people would switch to EV cars. Imo, many still consider EV as an expensive toy than a transport for daily usage and all needs. Possibilities that EV offer are still limited.

 
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November 06, 2023, 08:52:36 PM
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I think the first step to switching from regular petrol cars to EV would take more than 10 years, as we first need to make changes in human minds and their vision of EV. A lot of people think that the only advantage of EV is that they pollute less than petrol or diesel. But many people still afraid of battery maintenance. They dont know how much it will cost, but a lot of people still are scared of used EV or hybrid cars. That is just a fact, many would not buy EV or hybrid cars because battery replacement cost "like 1/2 or 1/3" of a car.

Absolutely agree with you. Paradigm shifts and global technology shifts, in the mass market, take decades.

And there are a lot of nuances, from economic nuances to mental perception. Do you know how long the world has been moving away from horse-drawn vehicles to automobiles? And there are still countries and regions that use horse-drawn carts, buffalo in the fields....
I am absolutely sure that mass transition will be limited to some countries with high standard of living, developed infrastructure, population living in the "future" (including concern about future ecology).

So the conversation is more about mass trend than about mass transition Smiley

To bad every single trend has an end. I dont know what really gonna force people to stop producing and using petrol/diesel cars. What is the worlds oil supply? Is the amount of oil that still can be gained calculated? Lack of oil is the only reason why people would switch to EV cars. Imo, many still consider EV as an expensive toy than a transport for daily usage and all needs. Possibilities that EV offer are still limited.

You've voiced a valid point - one of the criteria for reducing the production and consumption of internal combustion engine vehicles is to reduce and/or make oil production more expensive. Fossil resources, as we know, are not infinite. To be more precise - there are not so many economically feasible deposits of them, for example, there are forecasts that they will be exhausted in about 50 years. Then there will remain either already explored but difficult to extract deposits, or it will be necessary to invest huge amounts of money in the search and development of new fields. In 50 years, I am almost certain that the world will start producing orders of magnitude more electricity (e.g. thermonuclear cold fusion), plus much more efficient energy storage systems (batteries) will be used on a mass scale. And if a battery with the volume of a classic gas tank will store energy for 3000 km, and the cost of 100 km will be equal to 1 dollar, then you will not care about the internal combustion engine.

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November 07, 2023, 03:45:56 AM
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Zero-emission cars by 2035
The net zero goal is also referred to as carbon neutrality. State in which a country's emissions are compensated by the absorption and removal of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Absorption of emissions can be increased by creating more carbon sinks, such as forests. If the absorption and removal exceed the actual emissions, it is even possible for a country to have negative emissions (e.g., Bhutan). Global carbon neutrality is the only way to achieve the Paris Agreement target. So the banning of petrol and diesel cars by 2035 is a welcome approach, and we will wait and see if it becomes a dream or reality.

LOL.. do you really believe that the governments around the world will be able to ban diesel-gasoline vehicles by 2035? What about the vehicles that are being manufactured right now? Are you going to say that these vehicles will be allowed on the road for only 11 years from now? These targets are very much unrealistic. Governments must explore more realistic options. A large part of the net carbon emissions results from the destruction of tropical rainforests, especially in countries such as Brazil, Indonesia and Congo. Slowing down this is more easier when compared to imposing a ban on gasoline vehicles.

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November 07, 2023, 08:45:00 AM
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Zero-emission cars by 2035
The net zero goal is also referred to as carbon neutrality. State in which a country's emissions are compensated by the absorption and removal of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Absorption of emissions can be increased by creating more carbon sinks, such as forests. If the absorption and removal exceed the actual emissions, it is even possible for a country to have negative emissions (e.g., Bhutan). Global carbon neutrality is the only way to achieve the Paris Agreement target. So the banning of petrol and diesel cars by 2035 is a welcome approach, and we will wait and see if it becomes a dream or reality.

LOL.. do you really believe that the governments around the world will be able to ban diesel-gasoline vehicles by 2035? What about the vehicles that are being manufactured right now? Are you going to say that these vehicles will be allowed on the road for only 11 years from now? These targets are very much unrealistic. Governments must explore more realistic options. A large part of the net carbon emissions results from the destruction of tropical rainforests, especially in countries such as Brazil, Indonesia and Congo. Slowing down this is more easier when compared to imposing a ban on gasoline vehicles.

That really is a tricky question. Most of the pollution is generated among busy city streets (traffic jams and exhausts). But that has little to do with petrol or diesel cars, as this is imho a problem of bad, or better say wrong, road management. Have you heard that Germany has already banned petrol/diesel cars in some cities? That is what article names say, but in reality they just closed some streets for old cars (cars that dont have EURO5 or news exhausts standards). Imo, it is impossible to ban petrol/diesel cars, but it is possible to decrease their production.

 
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November 07, 2023, 09:12:46 AM
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Zero-emission cars by 2035
The net zero goal is also referred to as carbon neutrality. State in which a country's emissions are compensated by the absorption and removal of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Absorption of emissions can be increased by creating more carbon sinks, such as forests. If the absorption and removal exceed the actual emissions, it is even possible for a country to have negative emissions (e.g., Bhutan). Global carbon neutrality is the only way to achieve the Paris Agreement target. So the banning of petrol and diesel cars by 2035 is a welcome approach, and we will wait and see if it becomes a dream or reality.

LOL.. do you really believe that the governments around the world will be able to ban diesel-gasoline vehicles by 2035? What about the vehicles that are being manufactured right now? Are you going to say that these vehicles will be allowed on the road for only 11 years from now? These targets are very much unrealistic. Governments must explore more realistic options. A large part of the net carbon emissions results from the destruction of tropical rainforests, especially in countries such as Brazil, Indonesia and Congo. Slowing down this is more easier when compared to imposing a ban on gasoline vehicles.

It's silly to talk about all countries....  Countries with predominantly poor populations, technologically backward countries, countries with totalitarian regimes - as a rule, they are also technologically backward or they are not interested in ecology and the environment - will definitely not move and will not invest in the development of infrastructure for electric cars. Therefore, the stated trends are for highly developed, progressive countries with a high standard of living and high environmental standards.

PS The example of deforestation is not correct. The fact is that even if you stop logging altogether, but do not reduce emissions, there will be no result. This is the "treat the manifestations, not the essence of the problem" approach.

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By sources of carbon dioxide generation:
Energy 73.2%
Livestock, farming and forestry 18.4%
Industry 5.2%
Garbage 3.2%

5 countries that produce the most carbon dioxide:
China 13.5%
USA 5.7%
EU 4.1%
India 3.6%
Russia 3.1%

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November 20, 2023, 09:04:47 AM
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Zero-emission cars by 2035
The net zero goal is also referred to as carbon neutrality. State in which a country's emissions are compensated by the absorption and removal of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Absorption of emissions can be increased by creating more carbon sinks, such as forests. If the absorption and removal exceed the actual emissions, it is even possible for a country to have negative emissions (e.g., Bhutan). Global carbon neutrality is the only way to achieve the Paris Agreement target. So the banning of petrol and diesel cars by 2035 is a welcome approach, and we will wait and see if it becomes a dream or reality.

LOL.. do you really believe that the governments around the world will be able to ban diesel-gasoline vehicles by 2035? What about the vehicles that are being manufactured right now? Are you going to say that these vehicles will be allowed on the road for only 11 years from now? These targets are very much unrealistic. Governments must explore more realistic options. A large part of the net carbon emissions results from the destruction of tropical rainforests, especially in countries such as Brazil, Indonesia and Congo. Slowing down this is more easier when compared to imposing a ban on gasoline vehicles.
Carbon emissions must be tackled at all levels. It is necessary to abandon cars with gasoline and diesel engines, because this is the call of the times. The climate on our planet is changing for the worse every year. If by 2035 there is still a need to temporarily use such engines, the plans will be adjusted. It's not a problem. The main thing is to get rid of them step by step. In any case, the refusal of which cars will occur unevenly in different countries due to a host of objective and subjective reasons. But we need to move in this direction in any case.

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The net zero goal is also referred to as carbon neutrality. State in which a country's emissions are compensated by the absorption and removal of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Absorption of emissions can be increased by creating more carbon sinks, such as forests. If the absorption and removal exceed the actual emissions, it is even possible for a country to have negative emissions (e.g., Bhutan). Global carbon neutrality is the only way to achieve the Paris Agreement target. So the banning of petrol and diesel cars by 2035 is a welcome approach, and we will wait and see if it becomes a dream or reality.

LOL.. do you really believe that the governments around the world will be able to ban diesel-gasoline vehicles by 2035? What about the vehicles that are being manufactured right now? Are you going to say that these vehicles will be allowed on the road for only 11 years from now? These targets are very much unrealistic. Governments must explore more realistic options. A large part of the net carbon emissions results from the destruction of tropical rainforests, especially in countries such as Brazil, Indonesia and Congo. Slowing down this is more easier when compared to imposing a ban on gasoline vehicles.
Carbon emissions must be tackled at all levels. It is necessary to abandon cars with gasoline and diesel engines, because this is the call of the times. The climate on our planet is changing for the worse every year. If by 2035 there is still a need to temporarily use such engines, the plans will be adjusted. It's not a problem. The main thing is to get rid of them step by step. In any case, the refusal of which cars will occur unevenly in different countries due to a host of objective and subjective reasons. But we need to move in this direction in any case.

The problem is also that many people think the climate change issue is "it will be sometime in many decades" and "it won't affect me". But they don't realize that even if they stop all internal combustion engines at one moment, the problem will not be solved, because it has a huge "inertia" and even irreversible processes. When the majority of the population and producers realize this, and "money today will be loved less than grandchildren in the future", then there will be a qualitative change in the situation. Before that, it is difficult to count on global, systemic changes. Although the car industry is good - they set the trend and minimize the use of fuel by their products

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I don't think it will take time to implement such a far-reaching plan until 2035. Electric battery powered vehicles are common nowadays so we feel that even in our country five or ten years from now no oil powered vehicles will be found. However, even if there are no oil-powered vehicles, many problems will be faced, especially light vehicles will run on electric or some other battery, but heavy long-distance vehicles will have to run on diesel. Moreover, if all the vehicles have electric powered devices, then in terms of our country, there will be a huge pressure on the electricity. Currently in our country, the government does not have importance on electric vehicles, but if solar system vehicles are introduced, the importance of the government will surely increase.

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How about those poor countries? Are they capable of having charging stations in those remote areas? I think this would be implemented in rich countries, as they are sure to be capable of it. For sure, in that year, electric cars will be more affordable compared to their price right now, as most people really want electric vehicles, but the problem is that they don't have charging stations, and the price is also very expensive. Also now for sure that it is pretty normal to see electric cars running on the road, unlike right now, it is a head-turner when you see one.

While it is encouraging to see electric vehicles on the road, some nations may find that the cost of certain materials has increased. Currently, many nations struggle due to the high cost of petrol and diesel, so our next concern is whether or not these nations can afford electric vehicles. I don't mean to imply that it won't be nice to have one, but everything has advantages and disadvantages. Some people cannot afford electric vehicles, let alone cars, and no matter how they are made, many people will not be able to afford them because I think electric cars will be much more expensive than gasoline-powered cars from the outset.

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I think no petrol/diesel car sales by 2035 is a dream, as we know that big countries are still investing in petrol and diesel mining so if there are no petrol/diesel cars then petrol or diesel sales will drop, especially since switching to electric cars also requires almost the same power or cost. Moreover, even now in developing countries there are still many homes that do not have electricity.
It is not possible to say what other countries will do but banning petrol/diesel vehicles in my Bangladesh will not be possible at all. We are always plagued by the terrible curse of loadshedding, so if we have to find alternative vehicles to petrol or diesel, there will be pressure on electricity which our country Bangladesh cannot control, as a result mill factories will close down. So it is not at all possible to discover or import any alternative vehicle to petrol in Bangladesh.

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I think the first step to switching from regular petrol cars to EV would take more than 10 years, as we first need to make changes in human minds and their vision of EV. A lot of people think that the only advantage of EV is that they pollute less than petrol or diesel. But many people still afraid of battery maintenance. They dont know how much it will cost, but a lot of people still are scared of used EV or hybrid cars. That is just a fact, many would not buy EV or hybrid cars because battery replacement cost "like 1/2 or 1/3" of a car.

Absolutely agree with you. Paradigm shifts and global technology shifts, in the mass market, take decades.

And there are a lot of nuances, from economic nuances to mental perception. Do you know how long the world has been moving away from horse-drawn vehicles to automobiles? And there are still countries and regions that use horse-drawn carts, buffalo in the fields....
I am absolutely sure that mass transition will be limited to some countries with high standard of living, developed infrastructure, population living in the "future" (including concern about future ecology).

So the conversation is more about mass trend than about mass transition Smiley

To bad every single trend has an end. I dont know what really gonna force people to stop producing and using petrol/diesel cars. What is the worlds oil supply? Is the amount of oil that still can be gained calculated? Lack of oil is the only reason why people would switch to EV cars. Imo, many still consider EV as an expensive toy than a transport for daily usage and all needs. Possibilities that EV offer are still limited.

The real question is: is it really possible for that to happen in the future? For me, the answer is yes; we just don't know what year that will happen. So, that means we are not sure if that will happen in the year 2035.

Now, the question is: what are the possible alternatives to replacing petrol or diesel when those are gone? Some of what I know are the following: biofuels, synthetic fuels, electricity, and advanced battery technologies. There are others that I will not mention; I will just give the link.

Other alternative replacements for diesel or petrol in the future.

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While it is encouraging to see electric vehicles on the road, some nations may find that the cost of certain materials has increased. Currently, many nations struggle due to the high cost of petrol and diesel, so our next concern is whether or not these nations can afford electric vehicles. I don't mean to imply that it won't be nice to have one, but everything has advantages and disadvantages. Some people cannot afford electric vehicles, let alone cars, and no matter how they are made, many people will not be able to afford them because I think electric cars will be much more expensive than gasoline-powered cars from the outset.
   With the way the world moves, in years to come, there'll be crucial changes as to how the world is viewed. Innovations emanate everyday and they make for the world's transformation. Electric vehicles usage won't be a bad idea either to the wealthy or less wealthy nations, yes at first it may seem challenging trying to make the switch but months to years after, there'd be this balance in the settings and the advantageous effect would be seen.
   Use of electric vehicles will help the economy and make movement lot more easier, in terms of crude marketing and all and the glitch that may be encountered would be the set up of the chargers, the cost effectiveness and manpower but I believe it's one good innovation that's very much likely to exist in years to come and the less wealthy nations won't hesitate in being a part of it. We already seeing it take effect soon the use of gas driven vehicles will ceased to exist. The introduction of electric cars will help reduce the air pollution we are currently facing thereby improving the global warming.
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It is not possible to say what other countries will do but banning petrol/diesel vehicles in my Bangladesh will not be possible at all. We are always plagued by the terrible curse of loadshedding, so if we have to find alternative vehicles to petrol or diesel, there will be pressure on electricity which our country Bangladesh cannot control, as a result mill factories will close down. So it is not at all possible to discover or import any alternative vehicle to petrol in Bangladesh.

Even in developed nations such as the US and EU, less than 10% of the vehicles are electricity-driven. In the third world nations, the proportion is much lower. Given this, even by 2035 I don't think that a large fraction of the vehicles will be EV even in the developed nations. Bangladesh is a relatively poor country, and I am not sure whether the population there can afford the EVs on a grand scale. Current technology hasn't advanced enough to make the prices of EVs on par with gasoline and diesel driven vehicles.

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It is not possible to say what other countries will do but banning petrol/diesel vehicles in my Bangladesh will not be possible at all. We are always plagued by the terrible curse of loadshedding, so if we have to find alternative vehicles to petrol or diesel, there will be pressure on electricity which our country Bangladesh cannot control, as a result mill factories will close down. So it is not at all possible to discover or import any alternative vehicle to petrol in Bangladesh.

Even in developed nations such as the US and EU, less than 10% of the vehicles are electricity-driven. In the third world nations, the proportion is much lower. Given this, even by 2035 I don't think that a large fraction of the vehicles will be EV even in the developed nations. Bangladesh is a relatively poor country, and I am not sure whether the population there can afford the EVs on a grand scale. Current technology hasn't advanced enough to make the prices of EVs on par with gasoline and diesel driven vehicles.
It is possible to introduce electric driving cars in countries like UK and USA and they can achieve 70% of them by 2035 but in a poor country like my country Bangladesh it is impossible to increase electric driving cars by 10%. Here if we reduce the pressure on fuel oil and emphasize on electric power then there will be so much pressure on our power plant where we are thermal power plant.If there is a huge impact on the thermal power plant, then the forest resources of our country, especially the Sundarbans, and various important forest areas will be destroyed and there will be so much pressure on foreign imported coal that we cannot estimate. In poor countries like our country, electric driving cars are activated and diesel petrol dependent cars are stopped Not possible at all.

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I don't think it will take time to implement such a far-reaching plan until 2035. Electric battery powered vehicles are common nowadays so we feel that even in our country five or ten years from now no oil powered vehicles will be found. However, even if there are no oil-powered vehicles, many problems will be faced, especially light vehicles will run on electric or some other battery, but heavy long-distance vehicles will have to run on diesel. Moreover, if all the vehicles have electric powered devices, then in terms of our country, there will be a huge pressure on the electricity. Currently in our country, the government does not have importance on electric vehicles, but if solar system vehicles are introduced, the importance of the government will surely increase.

I have been watching the electric car market for a long time. What I can tell you is:
- In 2023, electric cars are being mass produced by almost all brands. From frankly budget to premium. China in general by the end of the year showed a lot of models with very low prices (of course conditionally low, compared to the average electric car market) and very nice characteristics. Taking into account that this will be a mass product and will enter other markets - other carmakers in the middle segment will be EXPECTED to reduce the prices of their models as well.
- Regarding trucks. As far as I know, new alternative technologies have not bypassed this segment either. There are electric and hydrogen-fueled tractors. And this segment of transportation is also looking towards alternative energy.
I'm not ready to say about heavy construction transport, but companies involved in transportation, or forced to constantly deliver goods (e.g. post operators, chain stores and their distribution networks), also do not want to increase the cost of goods and services due to fluctuations in the cost of oil, and for them alternative systems are EXPENSIVE.

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I don't think it will take time to implement such a far-reaching plan until 2035. Electric battery powered vehicles are common nowadays so we feel that even in our country five or ten years from now no oil powered vehicles will be found. However, even if there are no oil-powered vehicles, many problems will be faced, especially light vehicles will run on electric or some other battery, but heavy long-distance vehicles will have to run on diesel. Moreover, if all the vehicles have electric powered devices, then in terms of our country, there will be a huge pressure on the electricity. Currently in our country, the government does not have importance on electric vehicles, but if solar system vehicles are introduced, the importance of the government will surely increase.
Yes, I agree with you. The future of electric cars is very bright .There will be no pollution due to cars. Now in our environment,there is almost 50 percent pollution is due to automobiles that are working on road . These are thinning the ozone layer that is protective layer in atmosphere. That is big step of Elon Musk to Indroduce electric Cars. Electric Cars will decrease pollution in our environment and there will be less diseases due to pollution.But people should use public transport for long run.People should be knowledgeable about environment and in every  school ,there should be subject for awarenesses to protect our environment from pollution.

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December 15, 2023, 09:33:52 PM
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Yes, I agree with you. The future of electric cars is very bright .There will be no pollution due to cars. Now in our environment,there is almost 50 percent pollution is due to automobiles that are working on road . These are thinning the ozone layer that is protective layer in atmosphere. That is big step of Elon Musk to Indroduce electric Cars. Electric Cars will decrease pollution in our environment and there will be less diseases due to pollution.But people should use public transport for long run.People should be knowledgeable about environment and in every  school ,there should be subject for awarenesses to protect our environment from pollution.
The future of electric cars and electric bicycles has developed rapidly among society, all elements of society expect more types and designs of electric cars and bicycles to be released on the market, they hope that the implementation of fuel cars will soon be replaced by electric cars and they also expect the government to provide electric car charging facilities at various points so that the government will support a new era without pollution to create a healthier environment.
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December 15, 2023, 09:44:45 PM
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Zero-emission cars by 2035
The net zero goal is also referred to as carbon neutrality. State in which a country's emissions are compensated by the absorption and removal of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Absorption of emissions can be increased by creating more carbon sinks, such as forests. If the absorption and removal exceed the actual emissions, it is even possible for a country to have negative emissions (e.g., Bhutan). Global carbon neutrality is the only way to achieve the Paris Agreement target. So the banning of petrol and diesel cars by 2035 is a welcome approach, and we will wait and see if it becomes a dream or reality.

It was the dream project for the many companies,but due to stock clearance to the market it was hard to get the petrol free vehicle.The carbon emissions was the huge phenomenon in the environmental pollution.The government had take many steps to reduce the carbon emissions of coal to the environment by the LPG gas,this reduced the wood usage for the food preparation.The government also increased the engine in the vehicle and in bike it was now BS6 to reduce the emissions.But this was seems the myth,because the electric vehicle will be the only solution to reduce the emission from the vehicle.

The future of electric cars and electric bicycles has developed rapidly among society, all elements of society expect more types and designs of electric cars and bicycles to be released on the market, they hope that the implementation of fuel cars will soon be replaced by electric cars and they also expect the government to provide electric car charging facilities at various points so that the government will support a new era without pollution to create a healthier environment.

Many companies had started the production of the electric vehicle,but due to the less charging station.Many people was not ready to buy the electric vehicle,this was the market for the petrol based vehicle.Even my friend recently brought the bike and refused to take the electric bike for the vehicle charging stations was low here.
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December 16, 2023, 12:09:49 AM
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For the environment it won't do much.
People turning vegetarian has a larger effect.
Anyway in the 3rd world gasoline will remain the main fuel for engines.
EV explode around here, their batteries can't stand the heat.  

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