No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream?

[oktana]

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Is it from a poor people mentality? Be it as it may, how many percent of the world is rich? I know you may want to say the news/post isn’t about the world at large but Europe, but then, are all the countries in Europe rich? No. There are still countries that are struggling, there are still people who are trying so hard to eat daily. I’m not saying it isn’t possible that everyone will use electric cars, of course we’ll get there. But for that to happen by 2045? 11 years from now? that’s not something I think will happen.

Not mentality, but a real low standard of living. These are slightly different concepts.
And I'm not talking about rich countries, I'm talking about countries where a significant portion has an adequate income. To this I include approximately $3,000 in income per month for an adult member of the senya. Are these RICH people? These are people with NORMAL income, let's say middle class. And they can easily afford to buy a new car, for example, once every 5-10 years. This is fine. How normal it is to be able to buy your own apartment/house. We must evaluate opportunities not by the poorest example, but by average, good income. That is why I said - that in poor countries, with poor populations, innovations come very late

I don’t think that someone with $3,000 monthly salary can easily afford a car (BTW, we are talking of an electric car). The average salary in the EU for example is just around 2 times (from what I researched) of what you mentioned, but does everyone own cars? And we need to look at what type of cars they have too. You said it takes about 5-10 years, right? And what if people could just afford something cheap but now the law is saying that in just about 11 years, you can’t use fuel-powered cars, that is a short time because people have other responsibilities and they can just start saving to buy a car when someone of them even with that average money are only able to afford what they need.  

Let's count a lot?
Let's take, for example, a model like the Volkswagen Id 4. The price of a new car is up to $30,000.
For a family of 2 people, with a total income of $5,000. Tell me, is it difficult for them to save, for example, 30% to buy a car? Plus, many cars are sold with installment payments - a down payment of 10 to 30%, and installments for 12-24 months. As for me, this is a completely acceptable purchase scheme.
Tell me, how much does a car of the same class with an internal combustion engine cost? And how do they buy them? Despite the fact that when we go out into the street, we see a huge number of completely new cars!

No doubt you know what you’re saying but it’s not that easy. It’s easier said than done. Don’t forget that the more you earn the more problems you have to solve and such is life. Oh, and do not forget they tax will be taken out from the income too. So consider such factors like other responsibilities because there’s no way someone will save all that money like they don’t have other cheaper needs and wants. I guess the installment payment settle it. As long as that works then truly, it’s feasible for people with a fair salary to gradually pay it off while owning their car.

[poodle63]

Maybe it is possible. And this initiative is very good. I think it should be implemented as soon as possible. This is the biggest initiative to reduce the level of CO2 gas. Our public life and climate are threatened due to excess CO2.  And electric cars will be cheaper than oil cars.  I hope the quality will be good too.  The demand for cars will only increase over time.  If the car runs on electricity, the electricity demand will also increase.  This will benefit the government.  Now it is not sure how many countries agree to this.

now come up the problem where the electricity generated coming from if its from coal then its all the same, hopefully we gonna shift to renewable energy, as an individual we should also strive toward renewable energy ourselves, i've seen plenty of people using solar panel nowaday even the one released by tesla wonder if that sufficient for charging the car because if that does then it'd be awesome basically we pay big upfront but we don't need to sweat about paying for fuel later on.
though what should be of concern is the industry of transporting, it seemed that there's special needs required for electric car to fit in to the transporting industry because this industry also have a role in contributing to the excess CO2 if they could switch to electric vehicle that'd be awesome but we all know our technology isn't really there yet, we might give more battery for these trucks but we all know the charging time would require massive amount also the distance of transporting usually far surpass what a battery capable of.
really hoping that the world would strive towards the betterment of the future where fresh air is abundant and we could avoid climate change.

[bakasabo]

Everyone saw how activists protest against high co2, pollution, cheer for renewable enegry. How they sit on highways, block traffic and etc. From the success of their activity, depends the reality of EV or reduction of petrol/diesel production. What do you think about that? Is there logic in this? Or they will complain and protests also against EV in future?

[yohananaomi]

now come up the problem where the electricity generated coming from if its from coal then its all the same, hopefully we gonna shift to renewable energy, as an individual we should also strive toward renewable energy ourselves, i've seen plenty of people using solar panel nowaday even the one released by tesla wonder if that sufficient for charging the car because if that does then it'd be awesome basically we pay big upfront but we don't need to sweat about paying for fuel later on.
though what should be of concern is the industry of transporting, it seemed that there's special needs required for electric car to fit in to the transporting industry because this industry also have a role in contributing to the excess CO2 if they could switch to electric vehicle that'd be awesome but we all know our technology isn't really there yet, we might give more battery for these trucks but we all know the charging time would require massive amount also the distance of transporting usually far surpass what a battery capable of.
really hoping that the world would strive towards the betterment of the future where fresh air is abundant and we could avoid climate change.

I think you are right that it is mandatory to start using electric vehicles on public transportation in order to reduce air pollution. But there are still extraordinary obstacles to this method of use because it still requires sufficient time to get the power to be able to move it, and electrical power is still tied to the use of coal, which clearly also contributes to pollution. On the other hand, avoiding pollution is effective, but continuing to pollute is not. Apart from that, I agree that if there is a change in the use of power generation using solar energy panels, there will be very high efficiency, but the problem is that solar panels are still not optimal in their use because they are very expensive to do, apart from the fact that there is continuous innovation to be able to reduce costs. but I believe that there will indeed be significant changes in reducing air pollution with innovation that continues to be carried out for excellent development.

[bakasabo]

We can make a lot of debates about what kind of transport should turn electric first. Public transport, cars or commercial transport. Car - they create traffic jams, pollute more than public transport. For example public bus capacity is 50-70 persons. Those 50-70 persons are similar to 30-50 cars. 1 bus vs 30 cars. Who pollutes more? On the other hand we have a bus - it circles in the city 24/7. What is its annual mileage? 100k? 200k? While one car makes around 5k kilometers probably per year only in city area. And we have commercial transport - huge volume engines, usually diesel. That runs for tens and tens thousands kilometers. So which one is more dirty, which transport pollutes more and has to be replaced with electric engine ?

[EarnOnVictor]

We can make a lot of debates about what kind of transport should turn electric first. Public transport, cars or commercial transport. Car - they create traffic jams, pollute more than public transport. For example public bus capacity is 50-70 persons. Those 50-70 persons are similar to 30-50 cars. 1 bus vs 30 cars. Who pollutes more? On the other hand we have a bus - it circles in the city 24/7. What is its annual mileage? 100k? 200k? While one car makes around 5k kilometers probably per year only in city area. And we have commercial transport - huge volume engines, usually diesel. That runs for tens and tens thousands kilometers. So which one is more dirty, which transport pollutes more and has to be replaced with electric engine ?

Sincerely, I do not know the side of which one you are but I understand that you are driving reasonable points. Some of your narration seems to support either of them but let me say that both have to be changed as they pollute, however, the private and small cars pollute more depending on the combustion engine we are talking about. If they are both petrol engines, then there are more cars and small vehicles on the road than buses and they can move several miles a day as private people have a whole lot of engagement in a day. For them to have hundreds of millions of them plying the road daily means that they are polluting more. The number of commercial and heavy vehicles is far lower than that. But we should think about combustion too. If it is a diesel engine against to a petrol comparison, the diesel engine will pollute more, still, by the number of vehicles, there is no way the private vehicles and the small ones will not populate more than the business and heavy duties due to the huge number them polluting the world daily.

[0t3p0t]

Everyone saw how activists protest against high co2, pollution, cheer for renewable enegry. How they sit on highways, block traffic and etc. From the success of their activity, depends the reality of EV or reduction of petrol/diesel production. What do you think about that? Is there logic in this? Or they will complain and protests also against EV in future?

Here in my country electric vehicles either public transport or private already started rolling out few years ago and the government even has plans to fully modernize public transport into an eco-friendly platforms but public transport groups wants an extension to further evaluate the feasibility study regarding the modernization.

[junder]

Everyone saw how activists protest against high co2, pollution, cheer for renewable enegry. How they sit on highways, block traffic and etc. From the success of their activity, depends the reality of EV or reduction of petrol/diesel production. What do you think about that? Is there logic in this? Or they will complain and protests also against EV in future?

Here in my country electric vehicles either public transport or private already started rolling out few years ago and the government even has plans to fully modernize public transport into an eco-friendly platforms but public transport groups wants an extension to further evaluate the feasibility study regarding the modernization.

That's right, I've also seen in my city area there have started to be private and public vehicles based on using electric power, but for electric-powered cars have never seen for the public, but only certain people have it and only private ownership for electric cars, but for two-wheeled vehicles there are already  using it for the public.

But at this time electric-powered vehicles are still rarely seen, perhaps because the price is still expensive and difficult to reach among the general public but however electric-powered vehicles must have a high selling price that is difficult to cover by the general public, because with today's vehicles that still use gasoline, there are still many people who cannot afford to own, so this possibility will be on the minds of many people.

[DrBeer]

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Let's count a lot?
Let's take, for example, a model like the Volkswagen Id 4. The price of a new car is up to $30,000.
For a family of 2 people, with a total income of $5,000. Tell me, is it difficult for them to save, for example, 30% to buy a car? Plus, many cars are sold with installment payments - a down payment of 10 to 30%, and installments for 12-24 months. As for me, this is a completely acceptable purchase scheme.
Tell me, how much does a car of the same class with an internal combustion engine cost? And how do they buy them? Despite the fact that when we go out into the street, we see a huge number of completely new cars!

No doubt you know what you’re saying but it’s not that easy. It’s easier said than done. Don’t forget that the more you earn the more problems you have to solve and such is life. Oh, and do not forget they tax will be taken out from the income too. So consider such factors like other responsibilities because there’s no way someone will save all that money like they don’t have other cheaper needs and wants. I guess the installment payment settle it. As long as that works then truly, it’s feasible for people with a fair salary to gradually pay it off while owning their car.

Of course, receiving income generates payment of taxes, and owning a car generates new, systemic expenses - taxes, fuel, maintenance, parking, interior fragrance

But I don’t think that the car will be bought by those who do not understand that it also requires an increase in their costs. For example, I can conditionally buy a yacht, but I won’t, because I don’t objectively need it, although I adore the sea/ocean. And most importantly, I understand that a yacht is a significant expense. And provided that the yacht does not solve any of my real problems, but is guaranteed to create costs - that’s why I won’t buy it!
But an electric car is economically feasible for me - it will reduce my operating costs, and daily ones, because... costs for a conventional 100 km, gasoline engine and electric, differ several times.

[yohananaomi]

Everyone saw how activists protest against high co2, pollution, cheer for renewable enegry. How they sit on highways, block traffic and etc. From the success of their activity, depends the reality of EV or reduction of petrol/diesel production. What do you think about that? Is there logic in this? Or they will complain and protests also against EV in future?

Here in my country electric vehicles either public transport or private already started rolling out few years ago and the government even has plans to fully modernize public transport into an eco-friendly platforms but public transport groups wants an extension to further evaluate the feasibility study regarding the modernization.

That's right, I've also seen in my city area there have started to be private and public vehicles based on using electric power, but for electric-powered cars have never seen for the public, but only certain people have it and only private ownership for electric cars, but for two-wheeled vehicles there are already  using it for the public.

But at this time electric-powered vehicles are still rarely seen, perhaps because the price is still expensive and difficult to reach among the general public but however electric-powered vehicles must have a high selling price that is difficult to cover by the general public, because with today's vehicles that still use gasoline, there are still many people who cannot afford to own, so this possibility will be on the minds of many people.

What you say is the current reality. The main reason why electric vehicles still cannot be used en masse is that the price is still too high to be able to create these electric-based vehicles. must be necessary to provide space for recharging and repairs, which, of course, is currently limited, so there are still many who don't want to use it because there are limitations that can occur with these vehicles. So it's not surprising that there are still many countries that don't want to fully use electricity-based transportation as a mass vehicle for many people. But it is true that one day everyone will inevitably have to accept the fact that it must be used because of limited petroleum, which continues to run low, so there must be a replacement to avoid the crisis that will occur.

[poodle63]

Everyone saw how activists protest against high co2, pollution, cheer for renewable enegry. How they sit on highways, block traffic and etc. From the success of their activity, depends the reality of EV or reduction of petrol/diesel production. What do you think about that? Is there logic in this? Or they will complain and protests also against EV in future?

Here in my country electric vehicles either public transport or private already started rolling out few years ago and the government even has plans to fully modernize public transport into an eco-friendly platforms but public transport groups wants an extension to further evaluate the feasibility study regarding the modernization.

thats what any country should be striving out to be honest, using eco friendly means where there is any opportunity same thing with using EV for public transport it will save a ton from the carbon footprints produced by the conventional diesel public transporation, i think its time already that we should depend more on electricity since there are many ways to generate it using solar panel, wind turbine and so on not entirely depends on the old fossil energy.
but the thing with EV in private car sector that I think gonna be kinda problematic is that maybe the cost of the battery, there are rumour going around that the battery cost a ton and if not covered by warranty im sure many people wouldn't afford it easily.
so its one thing to give warranty to any EV right now more specifically for the battery replacement just in case.
otherwise people would be doubtful to jump into the trend of electric vehicle and would halt the growth of electric vehicle.

[G_Besar]

Here in my country electric vehicles either public transport or private already started rolling out few years ago and the government even has plans to fully modernize public transport into an eco-friendly platforms but public transport groups wants an extension to further evaluate the feasibility study regarding the modernization.

The wishes of the public transport group on this matter are actually quite clear. Because they may not want to experience difficulties when they want to make repairs when their vehicle is damaged and there must also be parties who can handle problems when they arise from vehicles that have been used for a long time.

Moreover, the public transportation group also does not know how long an electric vehicle can be used for public transportation, because if the duration of use is only short and requires them to keep changing vehicles every short duration, this could also cause losses in public transport itself. So that is still a question mark and the public transport group still wants expansion in order to evaluate it further so that all parties can use it evenly.

[bakasabo]

We can make a lot of debates about what kind of transport should turn electric first. Public transport, cars or commercial transport. Car - they create traffic jams, pollute more than public transport. For example public bus capacity is 50-70 persons. Those 50-70 persons are similar to 30-50 cars. 1 bus vs 30 cars. Who pollutes more? On the other hand we have a bus - it circles in the city 24/7. What is its annual mileage? 100k? 200k? While one car makes around 5k kilometers probably per year only in city area. And we have commercial transport - huge volume engines, usually diesel. That runs for tens and tens thousands kilometers. So which one is more dirty, which transport pollutes more and has to be replaced with electric engine ?

Sincerely, I do not know the side of which one you are but I understand that you are driving reasonable points. Some of your narration seems to support either of them but let me say that both have to be changed as they pollute, however, the private and small cars pollute more depending on the combustion engine we are talking about. If they are both petrol engines, then there are more cars and small vehicles on the road than buses and they can move several miles a day as private people have a whole lot of engagement in a day. For them to have hundreds of millions of them plying the road daily means that they are polluting more. The number of commercial and heavy vehicles is far lower than that. But we should think about combustion too. If it is a diesel engine against to a petrol comparison, the diesel engine will pollute more, still, by the number of vehicles, there is no way the private vehicles and the small ones will not populate more than the business and heavy duties due to the huge number them polluting the world daily.

Manufacturers dont produce a lot of cars with small diesel engines. They arent that much profitable, nor buyers choose diesel for petrol if we talk about small engines. Dont forget EURO standards for modern engines. The amount of pollution they create is tiny. On the other hand we have public transport. When was the last time you saw buses of 2023-2024 year production. Usually public transport is 10-15 years old vehicles. With engines that "eat oil" and dead particle filters. Imho public transport should be first to replaced by electric engines, not cars.

[carlfebz2]

Here in my country electric vehicles either public transport or private already started rolling out few years ago and the government even has plans to fully modernize public transport into an eco-friendly platforms but public transport groups wants an extension to further evaluate the feasibility study regarding the modernization.

The wishes of the public transport group on this matter are actually quite clear. Because they may not want to experience difficulties when they want to make repairs when their vehicle is damaged and there must also be parties who can handle problems when they arise from vehicles that have been used for a long time.

Moreover, the public transportation group also does not know how long an electric vehicle can be used for public transportation, because if the duration of use is only short and requires them to keep changing vehicles every short duration, this could also cause losses in public transport itself. So that is still a question mark and the public transport group still wants expansion in order to evaluate it further so that all parties can use it evenly.

Actually there's no problem about having some switch into full EV or whatever correlated type of vehicles as long the maintenance parts would really be that something that easy to be found or
its availability wont really be causing any pain in the ass on looking for these things and if it would really be that something cheaper but we do know and able to see that it is really that totally opposite
on what we are seeing on which it is really that hella lot more expensive comparing into those ICE vehicles on which it would really be just that understandable on where people would really be sticking into.
We do know that maintenance wise and cost then those traditional ICE would really be that best. Plus we dont have still that proper infrastructure in speaking about having those power stations
which we know that it is really that primarily needed.

Speaking about on what would happen in the future then this is something that remains always as a question. No one really knows on what would be the future looks like
on which things might really be that anticipated to happen might not be able to push through or it could happen.It would really matter on overall recognition
and acceptance.

[junder]

Everyone saw how activists protest against high co2, pollution, cheer for renewable enegry. How they sit on highways, block traffic and etc. From the success of their activity, depends the reality of EV or reduction of petrol/diesel production. What do you think about that? Is there logic in this? Or they will complain and protests also against EV in future?

Here in my country electric vehicles either public transport or private already started rolling out few years ago and the government even has plans to fully modernize public transport into an eco-friendly platforms but public transport groups wants an extension to further evaluate the feasibility study regarding the modernization.

That's right, I've also seen in my city area there have started to be private and public vehicles based on using electric power, but for electric-powered cars have never seen for the public, but only certain people have it and only private ownership for electric cars, but for two-wheeled vehicles there are already  using it for the public.

But at this time electric-powered vehicles are still rarely seen, perhaps because the price is still expensive and difficult to reach among the general public but however electric-powered vehicles must have a high selling price that is difficult to cover by the general public, because with today's vehicles that still use gasoline, there are still many people who cannot afford to own, so this possibility will be on the minds of many people.

What you say is the current reality. The main reason why electric vehicles still cannot be used en masse is that the price is still too high to be able to create these electric-based vehicles. must be necessary to provide space for recharging and repairs, which, of course, is currently limited, so there are still many who don't want to use it because there are limitations that can occur with these vehicles. So it's not surprising that there are still many countries that don't want to fully use electricity-based transportation as a mass vehicle for many people. But it is true that one day everyone will inevitably have to accept the fact that it must be used because of limited petroleum, which continues to run low, so there must be a replacement to avoid the crisis that will occur.

That makes sense, it's possible that the components that are needed also have a high price value and this makes one unit of electric vehicle have a high selling price, so it's not strange if the price is high because as I said, that's probably the case. I think that in the future perhaps society will have to follow developments, because at the moment many people are forcing themselves to adapt to current developments.
but what is certain is that currently the high price value cannot be covered by all people, because there are still many people who have limited money, some even still have financial problems, so it is natural that they still use petrol vehicles,  but As current technological developments also lead them to be able to deal with what is happening, although perhaps some of them still maintain their habits, they must follow technological developments that may occur in the years to come.

[Argoo]

What you say is the current reality. The main reason why electric vehicles still cannot be used en masse is that the price is still too high to be able to create these electric-based vehicles. must be necessary to provide space for recharging and repairs, which, of course, is currently limited, so there are still many who don't want to use it because there are limitations that can occur with these vehicles. So it's not surprising that there are still many countries that don't want to fully use electricity-based transportation as a mass vehicle for many people. But it is true that one day everyone will inevitably have to accept the fact that it must be used because of limited petroleum, which continues to run low, so there must be a replacement to avoid the crisis that will occur.

Electric cars appeared on the world market relatively recently. Therefore, it is quite natural that their price is still quite high. But technology does not stand still. Quite often there are reports of the invention of more efficient batteries, which will significantly reduce the cost and operating costs of using electric cars.

This is approximately the same as what happens with the introduction of alternative energy sources. It has already been calculated that over the past ten years, costs for solar panels have decreased by 90 percent, and for wind generators by 70 percent.
It is quite expected that in the not very distant future, electric cars will be much more economically profitable to use than gasoline and diesel ones.

[STT]

If we compare electric cars to other products with large batteries we can get a relative cost or efficiency to their operation.   There are camping type batteries to backup electric usually when outdoors but can be used anywhere your mains electric isnt reliably available.    We  can also refer to electric batteries used to store solar power, this is something used every day charged then discharged in line with the daily solar cycle vs human activity.   Most electric is used when its both cold and dark, people object to solar on that basis sometimes.
   If we weigh up power vs cost across multiple categorises then electric cars arent so expensive, not if we look at the base models and/or 2nd hand prices as a brand new car has a premium to it despite old cars lasting and being warranted to 100k miles or maybe 10 years of use.

[yohananaomi]

Everyone saw how activists protest against high co2, pollution, cheer for renewable enegry. How they sit on highways, block traffic and etc. From the success of their activity, depends the reality of EV or reduction of petrol/diesel production. What do you think about that? Is there logic in this? Or they will complain and protests also against EV in future?

Here in my country electric vehicles either public transport or private already started rolling out few years ago and the government even has plans to fully modernize public transport into an eco-friendly platforms but public transport groups wants an extension to further evaluate the feasibility study regarding the modernization.

Your government is already thinking about a long-term plan where it is possible that petrol and diesel will become increasingly difficult to obtain and could also be expensive, and indeed, air pollution will become increasingly uncontrollable.Of course, the plan to replace all public transportation with electric power [environmentally friendly] is a necessity and must be implemented immediately because development is also inevitable, nature needs to recover from carbon dioxide pollution, and it needs to be replaced with renewable energy.I think now the whole world is also thinking about continuing to update means of transportation with ones that are environmentally friendly and inevitable.

[Ozero]

Everyone saw how activists protest against high co2, pollution, cheer for renewable enegry. How they sit on highways, block traffic and etc. From the success of their activity, depends the reality of EV or reduction of petrol/diesel production. What do you think about that? Is there logic in this? Or they will complain and protests also against EV in future?

Here in my country electric vehicles either public transport or private already started rolling out few years ago and the government even has plans to fully modernize public transport into an eco-friendly platforms but public transport groups wants an extension to further evaluate the feasibility study regarding the modernization.

Your government is already thinking about a long-term plan where it is possible that petrol and diesel will become increasingly difficult to obtain and could also be expensive, and indeed, air pollution will become increasingly uncontrollable.Of course, the plan to replace all public transportation with electric power [environmentally friendly] is a necessity and must be implemented immediately because development is also inevitable, nature needs to recover from carbon dioxide pollution, and it needs to be replaced with renewable energy.I think now the whole world is also thinking about continuing to update means of transportation with ones that are environmentally friendly and inevitable.

Absolutely right. If humanity wants to survive and at the same time preserve all life on our planet, economic gain can no longer be applied here. You need to act decisively and toughly. If earlier we believed that global climate change would be slow and that it would not affect us, then in recent years we have clearly seen that we were wrong. Climate change is happening very quickly. Scientists believe that next year the warm Gulf Stream, which washes European countries, may stop and then it will become sharply colder in Europe. But this is just the beginning. Then everything will cascade in geometric progression.

[darkangel11]

I see a lot of left winged ECO freaks in this thread who don't know what they're talking about, but repeat the points they heard on TV, like some kind of rules.

replace all public transportation with electric power [environmentally friendly] is a necessity and must be implemented immediately because development is also inevitable,

Electric cars are not eco friendly. Who do you think makes the batteries for your cars? I'll tell you, the country with the bigest CO2 emission in the world.

Absolutely right. If humanity wants to survive and at the same time preserve all life on our planet, economic gain can no longer be applied here. You need to act decisively and toughly.

That's what they want you to think that the survival of the human race is up to you. It's not up to the Russians who are burning down whole cities, but up to you, driving your car to work. You have to cut emissions by 5% by switching to an expensive electric car. If a country like Germany or the UK goes 100% electric cars, it will decrease the global emissions by 0.1%. That's because for the UK their total share of CO2 is 1% and you can't switch off the whole industry, so cars all together will be maybe 10% of UK's emissions and 0.1% globally. At the same time to make up for that demand for batteries China will have to increase their emissions and their share is almost 30% so you won't help the world at all. All you will do is help corporations that make these electric cars and China that produces batteries and emissions will stay as they were. No, scratch that, they will increase, because while UK lowers that by 0.1% and China increases by 0.1%, Russia will burn a couple more villages and lose a few expensive aeroplanes in the process and the world will become warmer.