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November 26, 2023, 02:57:12 AM
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Yes, I read somewhere that drug addicts can recover much faster and not go back to drugs if they had a healthy network of family and friends around them to support them.

The addiction itself is powerful, but the social bonds are even more powerful.

It's great to know there is hope for everyone.
this means the same as when a gambling addict has a solid family and a healthy environment free from gambling, of course a gambling addict will find it very easy to stop his gambling addiction because of very strong support as you said.

I will not give too far an example and I will give an example to myself when I come to a group of people who dont gamble, of course we will discuss other things that are more positive so that our minds will never think about gambling, but when I come here a group of people who like to gamble will definitely discuss gambling and in fact our minds will start to reappear about wanting to try gambling again.

well, maybe that a simple example that might be easier for us all to understand. even if someone has a high level of commitment, living in an environment where gamblers will definitely one day be tempted to gamble again because the minds of gambling addicts are very complicated and they always think about gambling and are easily tempted.

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November 26, 2023, 08:27:08 AM
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~snip~
more and more I see that it comes to having a good support network
it makes a big difference to be able to have people you can trust and you can share personal information and vulnerabilities
in the end of the day we don't go through life alone.

Yes, I read somewhere that drug addicts can recover much faster and not go back to drugs if they had a healthy network of family and friends around them to support them.

The addiction itself is powerful, but the social bonds are even more powerful.

It's great to know there is hope for everyone.
That hope will always be there for everyone. It's just that they have to see it is there because if someone is experiencing a problem, they will not see that there is still hope and it can make them try to find a solution. But they only see the darkest place where there is no light because they cannot see that hope. Healing oneself from addiction to drugs or gambling can be done by each person with an addiction, but it depends on how strong his intention and determination is to want to change and try to cure his addiction. And having a healthy network of family and friends around them can help them gain the confidence to be able to cure their addiction. They will see support from family and friends. It will be an encouragement for those who are addicted so they can complete the healing process.

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November 26, 2023, 08:05:12 PM
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~snip~
more and more I see that it comes to having a good support network
it makes a big difference to be able to have people you can trust and you can share personal information and vulnerabilities
in the end of the day we don't go through life alone.

Yes, I read somewhere that drug addicts can recover much faster and not go back to drugs if they had a healthy network of family and friends around them to support them.

The addiction itself is powerful, but the social bonds are even more powerful.

It's great to know there is hope for everyone.
That hope will always be there for everyone. It's just that they have to see it is there because if someone is experiencing a problem, they will not see that there is still hope and it can make them try to find a solution. But they only see the darkest place where there is no light because they cannot see that hope. Healing oneself from addiction to drugs or gambling can be done by each person with an addiction, but it depends on how strong his intention and determination is to want to change and try to cure his addiction. And having a healthy network of family and friends around them can help them gain the confidence to be able to cure their addiction. They will see support from family and friends. It will be an encouragement for those who are addicted so they can complete the healing process.

Using that support from your love ones will push your determination to quit away, though there's a certain level  of addiction where gambler really doing things unexpectedly,  but going back to that argument,  you can seek help and feel  that support to encourage yourself to keep improving,  each day that will pass by with your interest  to keep away  from your vices the support of you love one's will serve as your inspiration to keep pushing your way out.

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November 26, 2023, 11:13:11 PM
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everything about addiction is bad , even in drugs , or liquor ? those are addiction that made
 them worst person so once you are addicted also a worst person but that does not mean its the end of the world
 because changes are available everytime it is  just the person involved are not doing whats best for them.
For me, being an addict is actually a very bad thing for life, your social life will definitely be ruined instantly when you become an addict, let alone a gambling addict

You won't be able to think soundly, you will definitely look for ways to continue earning money because you have to fulfill your addiction

The majority of gambling addicts will definitely experience changes in nature and character, they will see that the addiction they are experiencing is something that must be fulfilled so they will not be afraid to steal or extort. Having someone close to you who is an addict is a disaster, help them to change

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November 29, 2023, 01:45:45 PM
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~snip~
more and more I see that it comes to having a good support network
it makes a big difference to be able to have people you can trust and you can share personal information and vulnerabilities
in the end of the day we don't go through life alone.

Yes, I read somewhere that drug addicts can recover much faster and not go back to drugs if they had a healthy network of family and friends around them to support them.

The addiction itself is powerful, but the social bonds are even more powerful.

It's great to know there is hope for everyone.

The influence of the social environment is very strong, because it can change a person's thinking and behavior. But not for people who have strong beliefs and life principles, they will not be easily influenced and interpellated by the environment around them. Like fish in the sea, which although the fish live in salty waters, but the fish that live there do not become salty. But it's different when the fish is dead, yes if it's chili it will taste spicy, yes if you digaremin the fish will become salty. Which in a sense, when this belief is strong and the principles of life also continue to be carried out, then it is not impossible for you to get out of the problem of addiction to gambling, even though the environment around you is gambling addicts. And people who are still easily influenced by the outside environment, who if invited to get drunk, get drunk, who if invited to gamble, gamble. This illustrates that it means that the person does not have beliefs and principles of life, or that the person's beliefs and principles of life are dead.

what is the percentage of people with strong principles that will be affected less by their surroundings?
5%? 1%?
quite rare fishes these days

and even when we think about that, it will vary from situation to situation

because to avoid being affected you have to close your mind, and it's not a good idea to have a closed mind about things.
so, it may be good to have a close mind about trying heroin or heavy drugs, but not a good idea to have a close mind about learning to invest, practicing new activities like sports and movement, so forth and so on...

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November 29, 2023, 01:52:29 PM
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Yes, I read somewhere that drug addicts can recover much faster and not go back to drugs if they had a healthy network of family and friends around them to support them.

The addiction itself is powerful, but the social bonds are even more powerful.

It's great to know there is hope for everyone.
this means the same as when a gambling addict has a solid family and a healthy environment free from gambling, of course a gambling addict will find it very easy to stop his gambling addiction because of very strong support as you said.

I will not give too far an example and I will give an example to myself when I come to a group of people who dont gamble, of course we will discuss other things that are more positive so that our minds will never think about gambling, but when I come here a group of people who like to gamble will definitely discuss gambling and in fact our minds will start to reappear about wanting to try gambling again.

well, maybe that a simple example that might be easier for us all to understand. even if someone has a high level of commitment, living in an environment where gamblers will definitely one day be tempted to gamble again because the minds of gambling addicts are very complicated and they always think about gambling and are easily tempted.
Our actions and beliefs are shaped by our social environment as much as our physical surroundings. Consider this: non-gambling groups discuss varied, maybe useful issues, diverting thoughts from gambling. A gambling-prone group makes gambling an attractive possibility, not merely a topic of discourse. Your experience shows that our social settings often shape our choices. Can personal dedication withstand the allure of gambling? Complex interaction between individual resolve and collective influence. Personal dedication is important, but environmental cues, especially in addiction, shape behavior.

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November 29, 2023, 11:23:38 PM
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Our actions and beliefs are shaped by our social environment as much as our physical surroundings. Consider this: non-gambling groups discuss varied, maybe useful issues, diverting thoughts from gambling. A gambling-prone group makes gambling an attractive possibility, not merely a topic of discourse. Your experience shows that our social settings often shape our choices. Can personal dedication withstand the allure of gambling? Complex interaction between individual resolve and collective influence. Personal dedication is important, but environmental cues, especially in addiction, shape behavior.

Yeah, we are social animals after all.

I think I read somewhere that you are very likely to end up in a similar financial situation to the average of the five people you surround yourself the most.

This makes sense, as that's what you would be talking about all day. Let's say they are great investors, they will be talking a lot about investing and you would be into that as well.

And if they are gamblers, you would end up in casinos with them, etc.

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November 29, 2023, 11:34:52 PM
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Our actions and beliefs are shaped by our social environment as much as our physical surroundings. Consider this: non-gambling groups discuss varied, maybe useful issues, diverting thoughts from gambling. A gambling-prone group makes gambling an attractive possibility, not merely a topic of discourse. Your experience shows that our social settings often shape our choices. Can personal dedication withstand the allure of gambling? Complex interaction between individual resolve and collective influence. Personal dedication is important, but environmental cues, especially in addiction, shape behavior.

Yeah, we are social animals after all.

I think I read somewhere that you are very likely to end up in a similar financial situation to the average of the five people you surround yourself the most.

This makes sense, as that's what you would be talking about all day. Let's say they are great investors, they will be talking a lot about investing and you would be into that as well.

And if they are gamblers, you would end up in casinos with them, etc.
I won't disagree with that.
A long time ago before the pandemic hit, most of my co-workers were working to get cryptocurrencies, either in investing or through a different form to accumulate it like faucets, bounties, and trading. That's all we talk about the whole day and we never even touched the gambling industry in all our discussions.
Now that I am working at home I can only talk with my neighbors and most of the discussions are about sports and of course, glued to it is the gambling industry. We share predictions on who will win the game every day and about who has the highest probability to win this season and a lot of times it goes far at checking the odds and betting for it.
I have two friends who are hooked on sports betting and now we are three. Cheesy Well, it's actually cool because I don't think addiction can come from sports betting and it's better than playing casino games but I still play casino games from time to time.

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November 30, 2023, 05:47:40 AM
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Using that support from your love ones will push your determination to quit away, though there's a certain level  of addiction where gambler really doing things unexpectedly,  but going back to that argument,  you can seek help and feel  that support to encourage yourself to keep improving,  each day that will pass by with your interest  to keep away  from your vices the support of you love one's will serve as your inspiration to keep pushing your way out.
If someone who is addicted to gambling sees that there are still many people who love him, especially his family or partner who want him to recover from his gambling addiction, he will slowly begin to understand that he must be able to recover from his gambling addiction. He will try hard to do everything well and with strong intentions and determination, he will not complain even though it might be painful for him. He will not give up before he succeeds in curing himself of his gambling addiction because he has seen the support from his family, which is given to him continuously so he doesn't want to let himself down. He can even get through every day well because of the support from his family and doesn't feel heavy in undergoing therapy to cure his gambling addiction.

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November 30, 2023, 06:57:52 AM
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Using that support from your love ones will push your determination to quit away, though there's a certain level  of addiction where gambler really doing things unexpectedly,  but going back to that argument,  you can seek help and feel  that support to encourage yourself to keep improving,  each day that will pass by with your interest  to keep away  from your vices the support of you love one's will serve as your inspiration to keep pushing your way out.
If someone who is addicted to gambling sees that there are still many people who love him, especially his family or partner who want him to recover from his gambling addiction, he will slowly begin to understand that he must be able to recover from his gambling addiction. He will try hard to do everything well and with strong intentions and determination, he will not complain even though it might be painful for him. He will not give up before he succeeds in curing himself of his gambling addiction because he has seen the support from his family, which is given to him continuously so he doesn't want to let himself down. He can even get through every day well because of the support from his family and doesn't feel heavy in undergoing therapy to cure his gambling addiction.
Feelings of caring, affection for family or partners can indeed be the main factor in encouraging someone to recover from gambling addiction and they will easily have the awareness that the people they care about really want them to return to normal.
But unfortunately, most of the gambling addicts we meet no longer care about anything except gambling activities and quite few of them have lost many valuable things, such as the destruction of their families or bankruptcy which has resulted in difficulties in building household.
From various cases like this it should be able to provide deterrent effect or the idea of being able to make various efforts so that it doesn't happen to them.

Isn't it very sad if we see gambler who neglects his family, does not support his children and wife because the money he has is only used for gambling.
We know that it was his decision and we know that what he used was the money he earned from his work, but as man when we see women and children abandoned, it is really sad and makes us feel emotional, but we can't much to help them.

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November 30, 2023, 09:40:22 AM
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Feelings of caring, affection for family or partners can indeed be the main factor in encouraging someone to recover from gambling addiction and they will easily have the awareness that the people they care about really want them to return to normal.
But unfortunately, most of the gambling addicts we meet no longer care about anything except gambling activities and quite few of them have lost many valuable things, such as the destruction of their families or bankruptcy which has resulted in difficulties in building household.
From various cases like this it should be able to provide deterrent effect or the idea of being able to make various efforts so that it doesn't happen to them.

Isn't it very sad if we see gambler who neglects his family, does not support his children and wife because the money he has is only used for gambling.
We know that it was his decision and we know that what he used was the money he earned from his work, but as man when we see women and children abandoned, it is really sad and makes us feel emotional, but we can't much to help them.
That will make them realize that they have made a fatal mistake and must immediately correct it because many people are still waiting for him to come back and recover from his gambling addiction. If they realize this, they will not stop or give up on undergoing each therapy session because they know that the people around them still need them to come back. This is the important role of the family in making someone aware of their concern and affection for people who are addicted to gambling. You may still be able to find money, but that affection will last forever. Even though they may have hurt the feelings of those closest to them, but if there is still affection, they will definitely try to correct their mistakes.

They shouldn't abandon their families just because they want to gamble when in fact, they can do both well without any problems. They just have to learn about self-control so they don't experience any problems while gambling and also have self-control when gambling. They must be able to balance their lives well between their pleasures and those of their families so that everything can run well.

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November 30, 2023, 10:03:14 AM
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Using that support from your love ones will push your determination to quit away, though there's a certain level  of addiction where gambler really doing things unexpectedly,  but going back to that argument,  you can seek help and feel  that support to encourage yourself to keep improving,  each day that will pass by with your interest  to keep away  from your vices the support of you love one's will serve as your inspiration to keep pushing your way out.
If someone who is addicted to gambling sees that there are still many people who love him, especially his family or partner who want him to recover from his gambling addiction, he will slowly begin to understand that he must be able to recover from his gambling addiction. He will try hard to do everything well and with strong intentions and determination, he will not complain even though it might be painful for him. He will not give up before he succeeds in curing himself of his gambling addiction because he has seen the support from his family, which is given to him continuously so he doesn't want to let himself down. He can even get through every day well because of the support from his family and doesn't feel heavy in undergoing therapy to cure his gambling addiction.

Basically the support of the people we love will indeed have a big role and it is important for a change provided that someone who is already addicted has a little awareness, and after that of course that usually some good advice is very difficult to accept by them but maybe now the situation is different when they already have a pretty good awareness. As you said slowly they will be able to change and I believe that it will really happen, they will probably obey some of the advice given by people they love.

And after that maybe we can only wait for the time, they will change slowly but that doesn't matter because getting out of the addiction zone is quite difficult so it's only natural that they do it slowly in changing their bad habits for the better and over time maybe they will really be able to forget about gambling because their interest has decreased.

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November 30, 2023, 05:14:43 PM
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Our actions and beliefs are shaped by our social environment as much as our physical surroundings. Consider this: non-gambling groups discuss varied, maybe useful issues, diverting thoughts from gambling. A gambling-prone group makes gambling an attractive possibility, not merely a topic of discourse. Your experience shows that our social settings often shape our choices. Can personal dedication withstand the allure of gambling? Complex interaction between individual resolve and collective influence. Personal dedication is important, but environmental cues, especially in addiction, shape behavior.

Yeah, we are social animals after all.

I think I read somewhere that you are very likely to end up in a similar financial situation to the average of the five people you surround yourself the most.

This makes sense, as that's what you would be talking about all day. Let's say they are great investors, they will be talking a lot about investing and you would be into that as well.

And if they are gamblers, you would end up in casinos with them, etc.

I can agree that the 5 people you're with the most will affect your thoughts and your view of the world but this will only happen to some extent
In my case I know people from varied backgrounds, some are "selling lunch to pay dinner" as we say in Brazil, they don't have savings and live paycheck to paycheck, others are financial free with their investments paying for everything they need in life.

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November 30, 2023, 06:20:37 PM
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Using that support from your love ones will push your determination to quit away, though there's a certain level  of addiction where gambler really doing things unexpectedly,  but going back to that argument,  you can seek help and feel  that support to encourage yourself to keep improving,  each day that will pass by with your interest  to keep away  from your vices the support of you love one's will serve as your inspiration to keep pushing your way out.
If someone who is addicted to gambling sees that there are still many people who love him, especially his family or partner who want him to recover from his gambling addiction, he will slowly begin to understand that he must be able to recover from his gambling addiction. He will try hard to do everything well and with strong intentions and determination, he will not complain even though it might be painful for him. He will not give up before he succeeds in curing himself of his gambling addiction because he has seen the support from his family, which is given to him continuously so he doesn't want to let himself down. He can even get through every day well because of the support from his family and doesn't feel heavy in undergoing therapy to cure his gambling addiction.

Basically the support of the people we love will indeed have a big role and it is important for a change provided that someone who is already addicted has a little awareness, and after that of course that usually some good advice is very difficult to accept by them but maybe now the situation is different when they already have a pretty good awareness. As you said slowly they will be able to change and I believe that it will really happen, they will probably obey some of the advice given by people they love.

And after that maybe we can only wait for the time, they will change slowly but that doesn't matter because getting out of the addiction zone is quite difficult so it's only natural that they do it slowly in changing their bad habits for the better and over time maybe they will really be able to forget about gambling because their interest has decreased.

If they can process it inside them it's better than never, we as people who support those gambling addicted people that are near us
We also need to adjust as it's not really easy, no matter how hard those people try, if they are already engaged too deep from their addiction it takes time before you can truly overcome this vice inside you.

There's no easy way because if you do it chances are you'll fail and you will just add more when you can't overcome the addiction that pollutes your mind.

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November 30, 2023, 07:04:34 PM
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I will not give too far an example and I will give an example to myself when I come to a group of people who dont gamble, of course we will discuss other things that are more positive so that our minds will never think about gambling, but when I come here a group of people who like to gamble will definitely discuss gambling and in fact our minds will start to reappear about wanting to try gambling again.


“Evil communication corrupts good manners”. This is mentioned somewhere in the Bible and it’s reflected in our daily lives. Obviously, the type of people you hang around with would someday and perhaps unconsciously, slowly and steadily become influential in your life.
Hang around with associates that gamble, you lot would talk a lot and do things that are gambols related and soon enough, you’ll find yourself wanting to gamble as well. It’s only natural. Hanging around people with productive thoughts would likewise feed your mind with more productive thoughts. It’s left for us to decide on the crowd to hang around with.
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November 30, 2023, 11:43:37 PM
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Using that support from your love ones will push your determination to quit away, though there's a certain level  of addiction where gambler really doing things unexpectedly,  but going back to that argument,  you can seek help and feel  that support to encourage yourself to keep improving,  each day that will pass by with your interest  to keep away  from your vices the support of you love one's will serve as your inspiration to keep pushing your way out.

Yeah, it is just one day at a time.

Slowly, the brain starts to change, and eventually the gambling will be just a long distant memory

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December 01, 2023, 06:17:19 AM
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Basically the support of the people we love will indeed have a big role and it is important for a change provided that someone who is already addicted has a little awareness, and after that of course that usually some good advice is very difficult to accept by them but maybe now the situation is different when they already have a pretty good awareness. As you said slowly they will be able to change and I believe that it will really happen, they will probably obey some of the advice given by people they love.

And after that maybe we can only wait for the time, they will change slowly but that doesn't matter because getting out of the addiction zone is quite difficult so it's only natural that they do it slowly in changing their bad habits for the better and over time maybe they will really be able to forget about gambling because their interest has decreased.
With support from people we care about, we can give strength to addicted people who are undergoing therapy to be able to do what is necessary so that they are able to survive the pain they may feel. Having loved ones is what makes them slowly begin to have the awareness to accept the fact that they must be able to cure themselves of addiction. They will also see that they still have people close to them who still love them and want them back after their therapy. With such understanding, accompanied by a sense of love from their family, they are able to survive and complete the therapy.

Getting out of the addiction zone takes time but with support from their family, they will no longer see time but will have the strength to be able to complete each therapy session. They just want to really cure their gambling addiction because there are still people who love them and are waiting for them after they recover. Attention from the family will give them more encouragement to continue undergoing therapy until they recover and return to their families.

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December 01, 2023, 07:17:45 AM
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Yes, I read somewhere that drug addicts can recover much faster and not go back to drugs if they had a healthy network of family and friends around them to support them.

The addiction itself is powerful, but the social bonds are even more powerful.

It's great to know there is hope for everyone.
this means the same as when a gambling addict has a solid family and a healthy environment free from gambling, of course a gambling addict will find it very easy to stop his gambling addiction because of very strong support as you said.

I will not give too far an example and I will give an example to myself when I come to a group of people who dont gamble, of course we will discuss other things that are more positive so that our minds will never think about gambling, but when I come here a group of people who like to gamble will definitely discuss gambling and in fact our minds will start to reappear about wanting to try gambling again.

well, maybe that a simple example that might be easier for us all to understand. even if someone has a high level of commitment, living in an environment where gamblers will definitely one day be tempted to gamble again because the minds of gambling addicts are very complicated and they always think about gambling and are easily tempted.

     -   I think that no matter how high the level of closeness an addicted gambler has with his own family or friends, if he doesn't want to help himself change from being addicted to gambling or drugs, it will still be difficult. on the part of the addicted gambler, in my opinion.

But even so, if the addicted gambler himself decides to change and is accompanied by the support of his family and close friends, I also think that his recovery from the addiction he wants to get out of will be fast.

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December 01, 2023, 10:45:23 AM
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Basically the support of the people we love will indeed have a big role and it is important for a change provided that someone who is already addicted has a little awareness, and after that of course that usually some good advice is very difficult to accept by them but maybe now the situation is different when they already have a pretty good awareness. As you said slowly they will be able to change and I believe that it will really happen, they will probably obey some of the advice given by people they love.

And after that maybe we can only wait for the time, they will change slowly but that doesn't matter because getting out of the addiction zone is quite difficult so it's only natural that they do it slowly in changing their bad habits for the better and over time maybe they will really be able to forget about gambling because their interest has decreased.
With support from people we care about, we can give strength to addicted people who are undergoing therapy to be able to do what is necessary so that they are able to survive the pain they may feel. Having loved ones is what makes them slowly begin to have the awareness to accept the fact that they must be able to cure themselves of addiction. They will also see that they still have people close to them who still love them and want them back after their therapy. With such understanding, accompanied by a sense of love from their family, they are able to survive and complete the therapy.

Getting out of the addiction zone takes time but with support from their family, they will no longer see time but will have the strength to be able to complete each therapy session. They just want to really cure their gambling addiction because there are still people who love them and are waiting for them after they recover. Attention from the family will give them more encouragement to continue undergoing therapy until they recover and return to their families.

Yes that's right, because the role of the closest people such as family or partners is very important for a person's life especially those who are experiencing addiction problems, some suggestions may be quite useful to help raise their awareness and with that it is clear that I think they will try to heal slowly in a way that is suggested by some of the closest people or from other references such as professionals.

As I said before, it is indeed possible to happen or I mean they will be able to heal themselves and get out of the addiction zone but it may take a long time sometimes even though there is a lot of encouragement from the family but still it will not run instantly, mindset and habits are something that is very difficult to change so it is only natural that they take a long time because the healing process will run slowly. One of the ways that can be done as a driver of his recovery may be to divert his attention to several other activities, such as adding part-time jobs or other things that are important that can keep them very busy every day so that their minds are distracted from gambling.

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December 01, 2023, 05:38:58 PM
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Yes, I read somewhere that drug addicts can recover much faster and not go back to drugs if they had a healthy network of family and friends around them to support them.

The addiction itself is powerful, but the social bonds are even more powerful.

It's great to know there is hope for everyone.
this means the same as when a gambling addict has a solid family and a healthy environment free from gambling, of course a gambling addict will find it very easy to stop his gambling addiction because of very strong support as you said.

I will not give too far an example and I will give an example to myself when I come to a group of people who dont gamble, of course we will discuss other things that are more positive so that our minds will never think about gambling, but when I come here a group of people who like to gamble will definitely discuss gambling and in fact our minds will start to reappear about wanting to try gambling again.

well, maybe that a simple example that might be easier for us all to understand. even if someone has a high level of commitment, living in an environment where gamblers will definitely one day be tempted to gamble again because the minds of gambling addicts are very complicated and they always think about gambling and are easily tempted.

     -   I think that no matter how high the level of closeness an addicted gambler has with his own family or friends, if he doesn't want to help himself change from being addicted to gambling or drugs, it will still be difficult. on the part of the addicted gambler, in my opinion.

But even so, if the addicted gambler himself decides to change and is accompanied by the support of his family and close friends, I also think that his recovery from the addiction he wants to get out of will be fast.

that's a good point
you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped
in the end we are the true agents of change in our own lives... we have to decide and take action
people can show us the doors but we have to go, open and enter them.

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