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September 24, 2023, 02:12:34 AM
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How do y'all watch football? Blasting Onana means you focus on stats and errors. You do not watch him closely and what he brings to Manchester United defense. We'll see the best of Onana when the midfielder's and defenses put heads together to do them jobs.
Onana movement to Manchester United has nothing wrong with it, the signature of Mason Mount has also not profited Manchester United nothing.

After so many years, it's time for him to leave since the coach has no plans for him in his project for the seasons ahead.
Onana brings confidence and good passing qualities. Clubs like Manchester City and Liverpool went through this phase. Onana is a strong man and WI do great. Too much of the negative criticisms. Manchester United fans  expects too much coz of the former high standards
Manchester united is currently at their poor form this season, despite winning Burnley, it's not enough reason to conclude the end of their strategically poor form, rather they keep focusing on the bright side. Erik Ten Hag is present to make things good for the club, good performance will be triggered by the Red Devils, just a matter of time. Blasting André Onana for his blunders in league games, he's likely comparable to David de Gea who made mistakes also. We should realized that no goalkeeper is perfect, they all have flopping and their best forms in Old Trafford.

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September 24, 2023, 04:44:39 AM
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I agree with you. Firstly getting 1 point in an away match can be considered as a good result in Champions League. And Newcastle managed to gain 1 point. Secondly I would say after a long time the team is playing on a big platform like Champions League. Players are more excited and at the same time they are under pressure. It is much more difficult to perform well against a big team like Milan. Newcastle team managed to stop Milan. If Newcastle can somehow qualify for the knockout rounds, it will be a huge achievement for them. But my guess is Newcastle will finish third in the table. And will play in this season's Europa League.
Based on my point of view, Newcastle's playing pattern is not much different from last season. Even though they have brought in newcomers, it is not enough to make this team stronger. It would be very lucky if Newcastle played with a draw, in fact there were no goals in this match. and supposedly, AC Milan should have defeated its opponent in that match. Unfortunately, Milan were also unable to score goals even though they had 4 big opportunities.
Well, actually these two teams have the same style of play. Either Pioli or Eddie Howe always implement a pattern of play as we see from match after match. At first I thought Pioli had changed the style of the system he was using, but it seemed like there was no significant change. This indication shows that it is not certain that Milan will qualify for the next round. especially with Newcastle, it seems that they are having difficulty creating opportunities. they were only able to create one shot on target, and didn't have any big chances at all. I really doubt if Newcastle will qualify for the next round. Even though football is actually unique, we can't even guess with accuracy and certainty. Let's see how Newcastle will play against PSG in the next match. and Milan against Dortmund.

I agreed. Newcastle's match strategy remains unchanged. And it is quite effective. Newcastle coach Eddie Howe is well aware that his team is a bit weaker than the other big teams in the Premier League. There are no star players in his squad. That is why he applied such match tactics. Newcastle lost just 5 games last season. Premier League champions Manchester City also lost 5 matches. Newcastle drew 14 matches.

The Newcastle team is weaker than PSG, Milan and Dortmund. Newcastle will be looking to maintain their honor in the Champions League this season. The team shared the points with Milan after performing well in the first match. I think Eddie Howe will keep the match strategy unchanged in the upcoming matches as well. And the Newcastle team will perform in the Champions League with a defensive strategy.

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September 24, 2023, 05:18:40 AM
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I agreed. Newcastle's match strategy remains unchanged. And it is quite effective. Newcastle coach Eddie Howe is well aware that his team is a bit weaker than the other big teams in the Premier League. There are no star players in his squad. That is why he applied such match tactics. Newcastle lost just 5 games last season. Premier League champions Manchester City also lost 5 matches. Newcastle drew 14 matches.

The Newcastle team is weaker than PSG, Milan and Dortmund. Newcastle will be looking to maintain their honor in the Champions League this season. The team shared the points with Milan after performing well in the first match. I think Eddie Howe will keep the match strategy unchanged in the upcoming matches as well. And the Newcastle team will perform in the Champions League with a defensive strategy.
What Newcastle did in their first match was very clever, they took advantage of the slightest opportunity to win points and if this strategy can be implemented without making the slightest mistake then there is a very big possibility that Newcastle can qualify from this group.
In the group with PSG, Dortmund and AC MIlan, Newcastle are not favorites and this means they are not burdened and can play quite freely as they should.

Eddie Howe was very successful last season but at the start of this season Newcastle's performance started to decline a little so now many are pessimistic that Eddie Howe will be able to make Newcastle like last season.
But apart from that, I think at the start of this season Newcastle faced difficult opponents in the Premier League so they received a lot of bad results.

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September 24, 2023, 05:57:02 AM
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How do y'all watch football? Blasting Onana means you focus on stats and errors. You do not watch him closely and what he brings to Manchester United defense. We'll see the best of Onana when the midfielder's and defenses put heads together to do them jobs.
Onana movement to Manchester United has nothing wrong with it, the signature of Mason Mount has also not profited Manchester United nothing.

After so many years, it's time for him to leave since the coach has no plans for him in his project for the seasons ahead.
Onana brings confidence and good passing qualities. Clubs like Manchester City and Liverpool went through this phase. Onana is a strong man and WI do great. Too much of the negative criticisms. Manchester United fans  expects too much coz of the former high standards
Manchester united is currently at their poor form this season, despite winning Burnley, it's not enough reason to conclude the end of their strategically poor form, rather they keep focusing on the bright side. Erik Ten Hag is present to make things good for the club, good performance will be triggered by the Red Devils, just a matter of time. Blasting André Onana for his blunders in league games, he's likely comparable to David de Gea who made mistakes also. We should realized that no goalkeeper is perfect, they all have flopping and their best forms in Old Trafford.

Manchester United's overall performance is very poor. Their defense is weak. Due to the poor performance of the defenders, the team is not getting a better performance than the goalkeeper Onana. I don't blame Onana alone. Unless United's defense is strong, it would be foolish to think that the goalkeeper alone will deal with all the opposition's attacks. United's defense is understandably weak.

Manchester United's defense as well as their forward lineup is weak. More importantly, their performance is erratic. There is no experienced striker in the squad. They are counting on Hojlund's performance this season. But Hojlund is not experienced enough. He is also not able to perform well with United. If the attack doesn't improve, United's overall condition will never improve.

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September 24, 2023, 06:27:11 AM
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Even De Gea made some mistakes but if you compare Onana when he was playing in Inter Milan with De Gea you can understand Onana had better performance than De Gea.
I think this goalkeeper needs some more time to get in better shape and the team should help him forget the mistake he made in the last game.


Onana may need more time adapt to the club. People has been giving de gea many years to adapt and how can they easily blame onana for some common mistakes as goal keeper. Being a goal keeper for a club that has one of worst defensive line in EPL was not easy.
Onana needs to be always disciplined. Especially when it comes to the important match. Onana needs always to be careful caused by he knew he will get more pressure as MU didn't have good defenders that protect him.

I hope onana will have better team mates next season.

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September 24, 2023, 07:07:49 AM
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It is very regrettable why David De Gea had to leave Manchester United, even though his performance last season was very stable as the main goalkeeper. There isn't even the slightest good intention from Erik ten Hag or management to keep him. If we look at the statistics of David De Gea vs Onana in the early season match with Manchester United, there we know that Manchester United made a mistake by releasing David De Gea.
It's not fair to compare two different seasons, not that De Gea isn't a great goalkeeper and he deserves a spot at a great club, he could even be considered better than Onana, I am not arguing against that. However, we are comparing two different seasons at their earliest games, last season United finished third, not just due to De Gea neither, everyone played better, and they finished very well, and Ronaldo fans were pissed all around Cheesy lol.
We also forget that when David De Gea first became goalkeeper for Manchester United, his results were not very good and could be said to be not much different from Onana. Everyone needs a process to adjust regardless of whether Onana is professional or not by accepting Erik Ten Hag's offer. I agree that Onana performed badly and other people will definitely admit that, but because this is the stage of Erik Ten Hag who is gambling with the players of his choice, so whether you like it or not, the process that Onana went through had many twists and turns, including criticism from fans who were dissatisfied with the results achieved by the Red Devils team. The solution is to give Onana time to adjust to the Premier League style of play.


The second matchday of the Champions League will pit clubs against each other with a 50% chance and clearly this is more difficult to predict because in terms of strength, each can be said to be equal. Such as Union Berlin vs Braga, RB Salzburg vs Real Sociedad and Antwerf vs Shaktar Donetsk. As for the other matches, it is clear that in terms of their respective strengths, big teams such as Inter vs Benfica, Napoli vs Madrid, Dortmund vs Milan, etc. will be much more exciting.

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September 24, 2023, 07:26:58 AM
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It's not fair to compare two different seasons, not that De Gea isn't a great goalkeeper and he deserves a spot at a great club, he could even be considered better than Onana, I am not arguing against that. However, we are comparing two different seasons at their earliest games, last season United finished third, not just due to De Gea neither, everyone played better, and they finished very well, and Ronaldo fans were pissed all around Cheesy lol.

Oh really? Where Ronaldo fans wishing Manchester United bad luck because he left the club? That’s surprising though. There’s a point a goalkeeper in a club will get to when if he can’t be able to reach the standard or fulfill the rights on him for the team, then he should be blamed. Some blather leads to improvement of some players, if they’re not corrected and told the truth they keep doing what they wish at the expense of the team’s success, which is very bad. Onana should be given some time for improvement before he will be bullied by fans.
Many Manchester United fans hope that Ronaldo can return and strengthen the Red Devils squad but it looks like that won't happen and all the failures that are now happening to Manchester United are not entirely the fault of Onana as the goalkeeper who has replaced De Gea but there are also other factors such as lack of ability in every team position and of course this has a big impact on Manchester United strength.

This season they are much worse, and obviously because the club in general is much worse, it's also Onana that looks like he is much worse as well. I wouldn't put all the blame on him, or this change at goalkeeper, plus he is young so he could end up getting better with time too.

Don’t always put the blame of a team on one person, especially the goalkeeper. Many factors should be considered before concluding that he’s actually the one. We all know that the team are having issues with the defense and if that is not fixed yet, the goalkeepers fault will be seen continuously. This is time for encouragement and talk boosters for the team and not time to blame anyone.
I agree with this and indeed at the moment Manchester United fans are calling out failure as a form of Onana poor performance as a goalkeeper but they are not aware that overall Manchester United players in terms of defense and attacking ability are still not optimal.
Ten Hag is the only person responsible for all of this because he is the coach who determines the players, positions and strategies in the game they play.

One thing that is certain and very worrying is that it will be difficult for Onana to regain the trust and good opinion of the fans.

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Even De Gea made some mistakes but if you compare Onana when he was playing in Inter Milan with De Gea you can understand Onana had better performance than De Gea.
I think this goalkeeper needs some more time to get in better shape and the team should help him forget the mistake he made in the last game.


Onana and De Gea are two great goalkeepers in the world. To think that they are being compared for conceding goals I don't think is something good. What this means is that these two goalkeepers have support in the form of very poor defense from United. It will be a different story when the club has a good defense but the goalkeeper's performance in reading the game is poor so they concede. Like Karius when he was at Liverpool. Everyone will agree that the defense of United's defenders is very poor and opportunities are often created due to defenders' mistakes. It is difficult for any goalkeeper to show their best performance in such difficult situations.

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September 24, 2023, 08:02:58 AM
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To be honest, at first I doubted PSG too in this group phase, because PSG's poor performance in Ligue 1 made me doubt about PSG here. But yes, at least after PSG managed to win over Dortmund with a score of 2-0, then it seems that for now I predict PSG still has a great chance to be able to win the group. But yes, maybe only limited to the group phase because after all, I'm still not sure PSG will go further in the knockout phase later.
It is true that PSG has not been consistent enough in the domestic league, but when it comes to results in the Champions League, especially the group phase, they are always promising. The previous win against Dortmund can let them breathe a sigh of relief in this hellish group and I think it's just a matter of how they can continue to manage good results ahead of the next match. Talking about PSG, next week they will face Newcastle, who so far has not been stable and even though PSG will be away, I think they will still win if they appear with the same squad as against Dortmund.

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September 24, 2023, 08:34:28 AM
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I must admit that PSG played decently. However I'm still not sure about their future in the Champions League. I mean we haven't watched them against a team playing strongly. Dortmund aren't one of these teams I'm afraid. They were struggling in the Bundesliga on the first weeks also. I expected such result from PSG as a result.

However when PSG face Milan two times in a row on match week 3 and 4 we can watch really interesting matches. The game quality would be at a much higher level than the Dortmund match too.

I really liked Milan's effort against Newcastle despite not managing to score the winning goal. They are very promising to advance to next round.

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It is true that PSG has not been consistent enough in the domestic league, but when it comes to results in the Champions League, especially the group phase, they are always promising. The previous win against Dortmund can let them breathe a sigh of relief in this hellish group and I think it's just a matter of how they can continue to manage good results ahead of the next match. Talking about PSG, next week they will face Newcastle, who so far has not been stable and even though PSG will be away, I think they will still win if they appear with the same squad as against Dortmund.
After seeing the performance of each club in Group F, so far the competition has not been fully maximized or we are simply overthinking this group as a hellish group. Due to the fact that PSG could be said to be able to dominate, while AC Milan and Newcastle both had to share points in their first match. It will be a second chance for AC Milan and Newcastle if they are able to get points in the upcoming match.

The question is whether Newcastle can beat PSG and AC Milan can make Dortmund slump. Dortmund, who lost in the first match, will be more aggressive to achieve victory.

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September 24, 2023, 09:17:44 AM
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I think it was the wrong decision to bring Onana to Old Trafford and even though in the end his performance was not as expected, Erik ten Hag also has to take full responsibility for the series of defeats suffered by Manchester United. Onana was only good at Inter last season and at Manchester United he has been the source of endless problems so far.

It is very regrettable why David De Gea had to leave Manchester United, even though his performance last season was very stable as the main goalkeeper. There isn't even the slightest good intention from Erik ten Hag or management to keep him. If we look at the statistics of David De Gea vs Onana in the early season match with Manchester United, there we know that Manchester United made a mistake by releasing David De Gea.

How do y'all watch football? Blasting Onana means you focus on stats and errors. You do not watch him closely and what he brings to Manchester United defense. We'll see the best of Onana when the midfielder's and defenses put heads together to do them jobs.
Onana movement to Manchester United has nothing wrong with it, the signature of Mason Mount has also not profited Manchester United nothing.

After so many years, it's time for him to leave since the coach has no plans for him in his project for the seasons ahead.
Onana brings confidence and good passing qualities. Clubs like Manchester City and Liverpool went through this phase. Onana is a strong man and WI do great. Too much of the negative criticisms. Manchester United fans  expects too much coz of the former high standards
I previously said here that we can not blame Onana and I think he is a great goalkeeper, its just that Man United defense failed to provide a wall against the opponent. now thinking realistically, a goalkeeper without a big wall being attacked several times will definitely have difficulty warding off the ball that comes towards him. lets take an example from several incidents in the past, such as a goalkeeper blocking the ball from falling and the opponent kicking the ball again but the defender strongly blocked the ball.

with this incident, are we still going to blame Onana? I am just a little annoyed that people only judge mistakes from one side without seeing the depth of the problem and Man United decision to recruit Onana was because it was acknowledged that he was a great goalkeeper and because De Gea had experienced a decline in performance, he was replaced with Onana.

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I must admit that PSG played decently. However I'm still not sure about their future in the Champions League. I mean we haven't watched them against a team playing strongly. Dortmund aren't one of these teams I'm afraid. They were struggling in the Bundesliga on the first weeks also. I expected such result from PSG as a result.

However when PSG face Milan two times in a row on match week 3 and 4 we can watch really interesting matches. The game quality would be at a much higher level than the Dortmund match too.

I really liked Milan's effort against Newcastle despite not managing to score the winning goal. They are very promising to advance to next round.

PSG is not as bad as we all think and their performance is in between I don't think they have a chance to win the Champions League looking at the performance of other brutal clubs, but with time they might carry it someday when the time is right PSG will surface because they really have a bright future considering the kind of players they have,  even in Bundesliga they will strategies. PSG facing Milan will involve a lot of entertainment since both teams are good actually compared to Dortmund very soon PSG will be facing Newcastle which is going to be tough and interesting.

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September 24, 2023, 10:42:48 AM
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I think this goalkeeper needs some more time to get in better shape and the team should help him forget the mistake he made in the last game.
Yes, it is true, but people do not understand. Onana is really trying his best, but fans do not see him trying. They have to understand that no one is above mistakes, because sometimes failing comes before succeeding. Even yesterday's Onana performance was very good, for me Onana is better than De Gea.

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September 24, 2023, 11:16:44 AM
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Yes, it is true, but people do not understand. Onana is really trying his best, but fans do not see him trying. They have to understand that no one is above mistakes, because sometimes failing comes before succeeding. Even yesterday's Onana performance was very good, for me Onana is better than De Gea.
In fact, I will not make a comparison between these two goalkeepers because Onana is a new goalkeeper at Manchester United, while De Gea is a goalkeeper who has been active for twelve years at Manchester United so it is still not appropriate to make a comparison at this time. Although Manchester United fans really have to appreciate Onana's efforts in the matches that have passed at the start of this season because in the next match Onana will continue to contribute better to Manchester United.
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September 24, 2023, 11:41:22 AM
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How do y'all watch football? Blasting Onana means you focus on stats and errors. You do not watch him closely and what he brings to Manchester United defense. We'll see the best of Onana when the midfielder's and defenses put heads together to do them jobs.
Onana movement to Manchester United has nothing wrong with it, the signature of Mason Mount has also not profited Manchester United nothing.

After so many years, it's time for him to leave since the coach has no plans for him in his project for the seasons ahead.
Onana brings confidence and good passing qualities. Clubs like Manchester City and Liverpool went through this phase. Onana is a strong man and WI do great. Too much of the negative criticisms. Manchester United fans  expects too much coz of the former high standards
Manchester united is currently at their poor form this season, despite winning Burnley, it's not enough reason to conclude the end of their strategically poor form, rather they keep focusing on the bright side. Erik Ten Hag is present to make things good for the club, good performance will be triggered by the Red Devils, just a matter of time. Blasting André Onana for his blunders in league games, he's likely comparable to David de Gea who made mistakes also. We should realized that no goalkeeper is perfect, they all have flopping and their best forms in Old Trafford.
At least yesterday was not shit for manchester united despit poor performance showed against brighton but we must remember that if points are far more important rather than how many goals produced by the club. I keep saw many complaints in the youtube said that MU was playing like shit.
Even some were also blatantly said if ten hag can fuck off from the club as soon as possible. Blasting onana will not even solve the problem he has. The fans need to support him even though he was sometimes was showing inconsistent performance.
I do agree with you if there's no perfect goal keeper. Any goal keeper has their own specialization. That being said if the fans were not realized themselves to move one from de gea.
De gea was not a part of manchester united anymore. There's no need to regret it.

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September 24, 2023, 11:55:46 AM
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PSG is not as bad as we all think and their performance is in between I don't think they have a chance to win the Champions League looking at the performance of other brutal clubs, but with time they might carry it someday when the time is right PSG will surface because they really have a bright future considering the kind of players they have,  even in Bundesliga they will strategies. PSG facing Milan will involve a lot of entertainment since both teams are good actually compared to Dortmund very soon PSG will be facing Newcastle which is going to be tough and interesting.
I have never seen PSG to be really bad as most persons may want to portray them to be, they have been trying the best they could and they are seeing good results from the champions league and even in their local league aswell. they haven't lost any game recently in their league, I think the win at the champions league was a boost for them which will definitely help their morale in today's game.

I don't see PSG becoming the champions league winner as there are many others there who are really brutal and if they happen to meet with PSG they are definitely going to find it difficult wining, if the survive to the round of sixteen and make it pass that round we could say it wasn't a bad one for them at all but the trophy may not be for them.

It will be better if the give more attention to their local league as the may see more chances with a cup there than in champions league, this is because their Star Play in the person of mbappe who saves the day most times may not be at his best all the time, not after playing in tight schedules but if they are focused on their league maybe they could rest players for that purpose.

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September 24, 2023, 12:39:53 PM
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I must admit that PSG played decently. However I'm still not sure about their future in the Champions League. I mean we haven't watched them against a team playing strongly. Dortmund aren't one of these teams I'm afraid. They were struggling in the Bundesliga on the first weeks also. I expected such result from PSG as a result.

However when PSG face Milan two times in a row on match week 3 and 4 we can watch really interesting matches. The game quality would be at a much higher level than the Dortmund match too.

I really liked Milan's effort against Newcastle despite not managing to score the winning goal. They are very promising to advance to next round.

PSG is not as bad as we all think and their performance is in between I don't think they have a chance to win the Champions League looking at the performance of other brutal clubs, but with time they might carry it someday when the time is right PSG will surface because they really have a bright future considering the kind of players they have,  even in Bundesliga they will strategies. PSG facing Milan will involve a lot of entertainment since both teams are good actually compared to Dortmund very soon PSG will be facing Newcastle which is going to be tough and interesting.

No chance for PSG to win UCL trophy but the club may at least able to go to the quarter final of UCL. I meant the capability owned by PSG is still far from reaching final of UCL. City was never lose in any competitions as well as intermilan. If we compare those clubs with PSG and the gap is very big.
PSG was still inconsistent, and it can only rely on mbappe at this moment. I see no chance for PSG to go to the final. Quarter final is more than enough for PSG at this moment.
Some clubs like real madrid and barcelona can't be forgotten as well. So many strong clubs are getting easier run this season except PSG and acmilan which are in the same group with newcastle and dortmund.
Milan will face newcastle first before it will be going to face the match against acmilan.

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September 24, 2023, 12:48:56 PM
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Yes, it is true, but people do not understand. Onana is really trying his best, but fans do not see him trying. They have to understand that no one is above mistakes, because sometimes failing comes before succeeding. Even yesterday's Onana performance was very good, for me Onana is better than De Gea.
In fact, I will not make a comparison between these two goalkeepers because Onana is a new goalkeeper at Manchester United, while De Gea is a goalkeeper who has been active for twelve years at Manchester United so it is still not appropriate to make a comparison at this time. Although Manchester United fans really have to appreciate Onana's efforts in the matches that have passed at the start of this season because in the next match Onana will continue to contribute better to Manchester United.

I think Onana is a bit wobbly , kinda similar to Vicario of Spurs but yeah Onana is a very strong keeper. Normally players really aren't able to handle the pressure after a big move to a hugse club. With Onana, I feel he is feeling the pressure but it is normal and as United starts to get a winning and clean sheet momentum going on, Onana will really grow as a confident and strong player for United. But yeah, too much over confident is also not that good so have to be in kinda balance.
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I think this goalkeeper needs some more time to get in better shape and the team should help him forget the mistake he made in the last game.
Yes, it is true, but people do not understand. Onana is really trying his best, but fans do not see him trying. They have to understand that no one is above mistakes, because sometimes failing comes before succeeding. Even yesterday's Onana performance was very good, for me Onana is better than De Gea.

Every sports fan usually has a different point of view in seeing Onana's quality and maybe you have a different view from others. I also know that it is not easy for Onana to adapt to Manchester United players, especially since Onana has just joined Manchester United's main squad, I I think it will still take time to see the quality of his playing even though the EPL has been running for six weeks.

I probably don't want to be too quick to blame Onana, because apart from the goalkeeper, there are also those who need to be blamed, namely the back line players who may not be good so they are easily penetrated by opposing players. That's why Manchester United needs stronger back line players so that it doesn't make the performance too difficult. Onana was like him when he played in Inter Milan which probably had players with a much stronger back line.

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