AI Spam Report Reference Thread

[Free Market Capitalist]

But why were most of the highly ranked members that were found guilty in the past not tagged at all?

I don't know what specific cases you are referring to.

Many of them were left alone while the newbies or low ranked members are the ones that were tagged?

Again, I don't know what specific cases you are referring to. It may be that we DT members are quicker to take action against someone who has no history on the forum than against someone who has a positive reputation. But if there are repeated cases of copy-pasting AI-generated text, they should be tagged.

Any user that is in a campaign supposed to be tagged red if they are in a campaign, neutral tag is too mild as the punishment of their wrongdoings.

The DT system is decentralized, so what you think, and even what I think, doesn't matter as much as what the majority agrees upon. You can practice it yourself; I've seen that you've sent some feedback. But unless I'm mistaken, I see that you haven't built a trust list. If you believe someone is using the feedback system incorrectly, you should exclude them from your trust list, and conversely, add those who you believe are using it correctly.

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[nutildah]

If you're accusing somebody of something, which you appear to be doing, its on you to produce the evidence to back the accusation. If you can't do it with what's already available then you can't do it, and you don't have a solid accusation.

What are you talking about, this is not enough proof?

1.) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.msg66200415#msg66200415

You're missing the point. The point is you shouldn't ask people to supply you with additional proof or anything that might incriminate themselves. Its an unnecessary invasion of privacy. Its on you to substantiate your accusations, not them. With all due respect, if I had been around here for any number of years and an 18-month-old account demanded I supply them with screenshots, I'd tell them to go f themselves.


If we reverse the order of statements in this post, it becomes easier to understand:

Any user that is in a campaign supposed to be tagged red if they are in a campaign, neutral tag is too mild as the punishment of their wrongdoings.

But why were most of the highly ranked members that were found guilty in the past not tagged at all? Many of them were left alone while the newbies or low ranked members are the ones that were tagged?

Personally speaking, I have sympathy for people who have actually invested time into growing their own account, often for years and now, decades. I have no sympathy for somebody's 47th alt account, bought and resold to a sig campaign farmer who uses it to churn out spam like there's no tomorrow. So I am more likely to be forgiving to accounts with any sort of established personality than I am to accounts that are obviously farmed.

This is when it comes to the issue of AI spam, BTW. When it comes to everything else, I tag more senior accounts than just about anybody.

[Satofan44]

If you're accusing somebody of something, which you appear to be doing, its on you to produce the evidence to back the accusation. If you can't do it with what's already available then you can't do it, and you don't have a solid accusation.

What are you talking about, this is not enough proof?

1.) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.msg66200415#msg66200415

You're missing the point. The point is you shouldn't ask people to supply you with additional proof or anything that might incriminate themselves. Its an unnecessary invasion of privacy. Its on you to substantiate your accusations, not them. With all due respect, if I had been around here for any number of years and an 18-month-old account demanded I supply them with screenshots, I'd tell them to go f themselves.

While in principle I do agree with you, but I don't in this particular case. The accused, abhiseshakana claims that they are using ChatGPT for different reasons -- but not for copying information directly from ChatGPT. In this case, providing "evidence" as part of cooperation would exonerate the person if the claim is true. Why would it incriminate them unless what they claim is correct? Anyways, the privacy argument is weak for me because the chat history could be given only for the posts that are reported here and it is very unlikely that it would reveal anything about them. Nevertheless, it is possible that the history does not exist anyway. I don't have an account on those tools, and I could not produce evidence of my own use of it were it asked of me -- so that is a possibility to.

Personally speaking, I have sympathy for people who have actually invested time into growing their own account, often for years and now, decades. I have no sympathy for somebody's 47th alt account, bought and resold to a sig campaign farmer who uses it to churn out spam like there's no tomorrow. So I am more likely to be forgiving to accounts with any sort of established personality than I am to accounts that are obviously farmed.

This is when it comes to the issue of AI spam, BTW. When it comes to everything else, I tag more senior accounts than just about anybody.

The key is that they acknowledge their wrongs and stop I guess. However, if they refuse to acknowledge wrongdoing and persist with their activities I hope that you would change your mind regarding any user? In this particular case, I have not left a tag which is rare for me -- I have however stopped interacting to abhiseshakana in my thread and have written about my disappointment. I hope that they change their behavior soon.

We posted at practically the same time with similar reasoning.  

[memehunter]

You're missing the point. The point is you shouldn't ask people to supply you with additional proof or anything that might incriminate themselves.

am I?

Real cooperation would be to immediately post the screenshots of AI chatbot prompt history but of course as a foundational principle of natural law, you can not force some one to produce evidence against himself.  

Its an unnecessary invasion of privacy.

He himself told a story now it is up to him to substantiate that story. We have heard similar story. (Ok may be not too similar but there is a story to justify the high AI detection. The story teller was given the chance to substantiate back then.
Honestly, if there is a chance for him to refute the AI chatbot allegations, my HUMBLE request (NOT AN ORDER) seems the only way out. My concern was if he is telling the truth it might be helpful in the acceptable AI usage discourse. There is nothing like breaching privacy (I am not hacking his account lol). The burden of proof is upon him not us.  

Its on you to substantiate your accusations, not them.

It is been done by so many members already.

With all due respect, if I had been around here for any number of years and an 18-month-old account demanded I supply them with screenshots, I'd tell them to go f themselves.

With due respect, I am glad you get rid of that argument from your chest. you are free to call 'f' you to anybody, it is normal nowadays  


@Satofan44 it is amazing we both almost made the same argument at the same time lol there is some obvious logic in this I guess.

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