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[Jero]

i'm waiting for the coin 

I am still waiting too ;-) But LTEX did a great job, very nice package!

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[Frais]

Is it a standard mail package? (it fits through the mailbox?)

[bram_vnl]

Is it a standard mail package? (it fits through the mailbox?)

good question

[LTEX]

Is it a standard mail package? (it fits through the mailbox?)

good question

Yes, it does...

[veertje]

Lady's and gentlemen I've got them!



Tanks for the extras LTEX  

Just recieved them also! Looking very good   LTEX, Thanks for the distribution and extras as well.

@Fuse, how does it work with the hologram stickers?

[Frais]

Shit, the annoying thing about living in Drenthe.. we're always lagging. No coins for me today 

[bram_vnl]

Shit, the annoying thing about living in Drenthe.. we're always lagging. No coins for me today 

same here but not Drenthe

[ny2cafuse]

Glad to hear that the coins are hitting their destinations.  I am just about to head out the door to work, so give me about an hour or so to get their and get settled, and then I'll post info in the coin thread on how to do the hologram stickers.

-Fuse

[bram_vnl]

thanks for the coin! i love it

[/GeertJohan]

Community Alert!!!

Digishield is not going to be a magic bullet against Clevermining. In fact, expect network difficulty to hit new record highs and be 'stuck' for long periods of time.

If Clevermining hits the NLG network with 10x or 20x hash-rate of the base nethash, the difficulty will hit 10x or 20x in a blink. Digishield deals very aggressively with hash-rate spikes, and when Clevermining exits, taking the hash-rate with them, the network is going to be 'stuck' at a very high difficulty.

This Digishield doing its job, reacting quick enough to make it unprofitable to attack the network with high hash-rate.

No one knows how Clevermining or its profitability algo will react to this change. Terk may continue to test the network looking for a way to get coins at a discount. Depends on the tenacity of the Clevermining team as to how many cycles the network has to go through till Clevermining discovers how to best handle the changed diff algo. Do not expect Clevermining to go quietly, NLG has been their cash cow for many months.

I am expecting new record highs of difficulty and some long, grinding sessions before the network achieves equilibrium. What I don't expect to see is false difficulty lows and Clevermining minting the majority of the blocks in a 24hr period by attacking. If Terk decides to park 20x hash-rate on the NLG network for a few days or weeks, Clevermining will own the NLG network by brute force, but not at a discount as they have been.

The NLG dev team and community need to have realistic expectations of the upcoming difficulty algo change and the above is what I expect to happen.

Understand that if it were up to me, we'd take more time to develop and test a better solution. But it seems the majority of the community wants to try Digishield..

[Jero]

Community Alert!!!

Digishield is not going to be a magic bullet against Clevermining. In fact, expect network difficulty to hit new record highs and be 'stuck' for long periods of time.

If Clevermining hits the NLG network with 10x or 20x hash-rate of the base nethash, the difficulty will hit 10x or 20x in a blink. Digishield deals very aggressively with hash-rate spikes, and when Clevermining exits, taking the hash-rate with them, the network is going to be 'stuck' at a very high difficulty.

This Digishield doing its job, reacting quick enough to make it unprofitable to attack the network with high hash-rate.

No one knows how Clevermining or its profitability algo will react to this change. Terk may continue to test the network looking for a way to get coins at a discount. Depends on the tenacity of the Clevermining team as to how many cycles the network has to go through till Clevermining discovers how to best handle the changed diff algo. Do not expect Clevermining to go quietly, NLG has been their cash cow for many months.

I am expecting new record highs of difficulty and some long, grinding sessions before the network achieves equilibrium. What I don't expect to see is false difficulty lows and Clevermining minting the majority of the blocks in a 24hr period by attacking. If Terk decides to park 20x hash-rate on the NLG network for a few days or weeks, Clevermining will own the NLG network by brute force, but not at a discount as they have been.

The NLG dev team and community need to have realistic expectations of the upcoming difficulty algo change and the above is what I expect to happen.

Understand that if it were up to me, we'd take more time to develop and test a better solution. But it seems the majority of the community wants to try Digishield..

There was a tough discussion, then consensus and a desicion made by the team you are part of.
What is the message you giving us by making doubts about the decision you are part of?

I don't understand...

[veertje]

Understand that if it were up to me, we'd take more time to develop and test a better solution. But it seems the majority of the community wants to try Digishield..

Hai GJ. How long do you think it will last for the simulator to get ready for testing the bigger waves as well? Can you give an indication?

If it is only 2 or 3 weeks or so, I agree with you to wait and implement the best solution at once. But most dedicated miners have enough of what Clever does. It is going on too long now and if all takes another month or 2 months, I think most want the Digishield now, me included. I understand their point of view.

That is why keep the community updated with updates and info on this project was/is that important, not only when things are finished. I understand it is difficult to say when it is ready though, but an indication would be good as well.

[Digithusiast]

If digishield or no digishield means the choice between "a stuck network for long periods of time" or "a miningpool mining most coins and selling at low price", I'd prefer the latter.
By the way, it is not really the majority of the community, but a small group of max. 15 very active NLG community members with shared interests and views who are pulling the strings in NLG decision making. Maybe that is the best way, who knows. So digishield it is, let's hope it works out the way intended.

[Bluestreet]

If digishield or no digishield means the choice between "a stuck network for long periods of time" or "a miningpool mining most coins and selling at low price", I'd prefer the latter.
By the way, it is not really the majority of the community, but a small group of max. 15 very active NLG community members with shared interests and views who are pulling the strings in NLG decision making. Maybe that is the best way, who knows. So digishield it is, let's hope it works out the way intended.

Digishield appears to be a lot more widely used then dgw for normal scrypt coins if you do a search. DGW seems good for x11, x13 coins.

[ny2cafuse]

Community Alert!!!

Digishield is not going to be a magic bullet against Clevermining. In fact, expect network difficulty to hit new record highs and be 'stuck' for long periods of time.

If Clevermining hits the NLG network with 10x or 20x hash-rate of the base nethash, the difficulty will hit 10x or 20x in a blink. Digishield deals very aggressively with hash-rate spikes, and when Clevermining exits, taking the hash-rate with them, the network is going to be 'stuck' at a very high difficulty.

This Digishield doing its job, reacting quick enough to make it unprofitable to attack the network with high hash-rate.

No one knows how Clevermining or its profitability algo will react to this change. Terk may continue to test the network looking for a way to get coins at a discount. Depends on the tenacity of the Clevermining team as to how many cycles the network has to go through till Clevermining discovers how to best handle the changed diff algo. Do not expect Clevermining to go quietly, NLG has been their cash cow for many months.

I am expecting new record highs of difficulty and some long, grinding sessions before the network achieves equilibrium. What I don't expect to see is false difficulty lows and Clevermining minting the majority of the blocks in a 24hr period by attacking. If Terk decides to park 20x hash-rate on the NLG network for a few days or weeks, Clevermining will own the NLG network by brute force, but not at a discount as they have been.

The NLG dev team and community need to have realistic expectations of the upcoming difficulty algo change and the above is what I expect to happen.

Understand that if it were up to me, we'd take more time to develop and test a better solution. But it seems the majority of the community wants to try Digishield..

There was a tough discussion, then consensus and a desicion made by the team where you are part of.
What is the message you giving us by making doubts about the decision you were part of. I don't understand...

Let's step back a second.

I am going to go on record as saying that I don't completely agree with 24Kilo's post.  I've messaged him in Criptoe chat to tell him the same.  We often have differences of opinions, and I think that's what makes my team strong.  24Kilo is my devil's advocate on almost everything I do, and I love him for it.

While parts of 24Kilo's statement are probably true, the fact of the matter is that for them to become true, Terk would need to alter his profitability algorithm to ignore the exit point on NLG.  He would need to take a decisive action to ignore his miner's profit to fulfill his personal vendetta against the coin.  That would not end well for him publicly.  I honestly don't think it will happen.  24Kilo and I went on for a week arguing about this... the difference between a profit script led multipool and a miner with a lot of hashrate.  We just need to make sure Terk doesn't turn into the latter.

That being said, if profit continues to drive Terk's operations, we won't have reason to worry.  DIGI will do it's job, and we'll be fine.  However, if he does play god with the hashrate, there is nothing that can be done to stop that, short of programming them out in the code(bans, blocking, whatever).  Anyone with enough hashrate can control a chain.  It's a fundamental principal of mining.

-Fuse

[/GeertJohan]

There was a tough discussion, then consensus and a desicion made by the team you are part of.
What is the message you giving us by making doubts about the decision you are part of?

I don't understand...

I never tested Digishield, but I did read the code during the switch from KGW to a new algo (which became DGW3). My impression was that Digishield is a lot similar to DGW3, but I thought DGW3 was slightly better. The reason there is somewhat consensus is based on the great testing job done by fuse, criptoe and others. So the community started voting for Digishield, and simply followed the wishes of the community.

I know creating a custom algorithm will take longer than simply implementing the existing Digishield algorithm.. So thats why Digishield is the easy choice right now.
If digishield doesn't work we expected, we can always change again later..

Hai GJ. How long do you think it will last for the simulator to get ready for testing the bigger waves as well? Can you give an indication?

If it is only 2 or 3 weeks or so, I agree with you to wait and implement the best solution at once. But most dedicated miners have enough of what Clever does. It is going on too long now and if all takes another month or 2 months, I think most want the Digishield now, me included. I understand their point of view.

That is why keep the community updated with updates and info on this project was/is that important, not only when things are finished. I understand it is difficult to say when it is ready though, but an indication would be good as well.

The larger waves is quite simple, will take me an hour or so to make a perfect job.
Digishield implementation will take a bit longer, maybe 5 or 6 hours..
More timeconsuming features are exporting a simulated chain to excel for further analysis.

Cheers!

[Frais]

Most miners just mine with a profitable pool, they don't care if it is clever or coinmine or hardcore or criptoe, miners generally don't care as long as the pool brings profits to them.

And again, don't judge. It's nearly impossible to profit from Guldencoin mining with these low prices. Most of the current miners are mining because they want to prevent cleverming of raping Guldencoin. Mining Guldencoin equals burning bitcoins at this moment. In my case that's more than 10 Bitcoin for the past month.

[veertje]

quote veertje: "...But most dedicated miners have enough of what Clever does..."

How many unhappy dedicated miners are we talking about? 10, 20, 50, 500, 1000?

Most miners just mine with a profitable pool, they don't care if it is clever or coinmine or hardcore or criptoe, miners generally don't care as long as the pool brings profits to them.

edit: I would expect complaining miners to simply move over to clevermining instead of complaining

I think Biomike and Frais can explain the best. There are a few big dedicated miners between 100 Mh/s and 3 Gh/s. That is most because of defence as well. Normally dedicated miners mine for some profit without the multipool active. The mulipool mines with 10+ Gh/s now. If that leaves or lowers a lot, then mining is interesting again and more dedicated miners will come in.

Now only a few dedicated miners have to put up multiple GH/s to "fight" against Clever. Despite of that Clever gets 50-65% of the coins mined daily. Otherwise Clever will get even more of all coins mined. It is not profitable for dedicated miners this way.

[veertje]

The larger waves is quite simple, will take me an hour or so to make a perfect job.
Digishield implementation will take a bit longer, maybe 5 or 6 hours..
More timeconsuming features are exporting a simulated chain to excel for further analysis.

Cheers!

Do you mean the simulator is almost ready for testing? Different algo's testing in GO with different parameters? I am a bit confused now what you mean.

[ny2cafuse]

....

I never tested Digishield, but I did read the code during the switch from KGW to a new algo (which became DGW3). My impression was that Digishield is a lot similar to DGW3, but I thought DGW3 was slightly better. The reason there is somewhat consensus is based on the great testing job done by fuse, criptoe and others. So the community started voting for Digishield, and simply followed the wishes of the community.

I know creating a custom algorithm will take longer than simply implementing the existing Digishield algorithm.. So thats why Digishield is the easy choice right now.
If digishield doesn't work we expected, we can always change again later..

....

The larger waves is quite simple, will take me an hour or so to make a perfect job.
Digishield implementation will take a bit longer, maybe 5 or 6 hours..
More timeconsuming features are exporting a simulated chain to excel for further analysis.

Cheers!

OK... let's take this at a more conservative pace then.  If the simulator is a day of work, let's push forward with testing DIGI on the simulator then.  When can you have this done?  Can we have data by the weekend?

As far as the excel output goes, why not just fmt.Println each block to a text file?  We can parse the data from there.  It doesn't need to be pretty as long as we can read the data.

-Fuse