[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[smooth]

They will catch on eventually.  Its unique codebase makes it a good hedge should flaws be found in the Bitcoin codebase.  Should this scenario manifest itself all Bitcoin based coins (DRK/ASH) would be rendered useless as well.

Flaws in a codebase can be fixed. The flaw of everything related to Bitcoin being highly political and subject to a thicket of conflicting entrenched interests can't be easily fixed. That's why, for example, they have been talking about the block size for years and are no closer to a solution.

That wouldn't necessarily affect other coins based on the Bitcoin code but it is the more likely cause of unfixable problems that would open major opportunities elsewhere.

I'm not a developer so I don't have the level of understanding you devs have.  Smooth, are you saying that its impossible that such a catastrophic flaw is discovered, lets say with some of the fundamental cryptography, which could not be fixed with patches?

I'll never say impossible, but it is hard to imagine something you couldn't fix by repairing or replacing the cryptography with something else, unless the flaw were so catastrophic as to affect all or nearly all cryptography, in which case no coin would likely escape.

And I guess if something absolutely catastrophic like that happened to Bitcoin, where the integrity of the system were thoroughly compromised (for example if it weren't discovered for quite some time and ownership of coins somehow got very scrambled), it could be fatal for Bitcoin itself even if the code got fixed (and other coins using the Bitcoin code might be able to recover).

[infofront]

Does anyone know how many fairly unique code bases exist in this crazy altcoin ecosystem?

Very few: http://mapofcoins.com/technologies

I see that timecoin is missing

[fluffypony]

Does anyone know how many fairly unique code bases exist in this crazy altcoin ecosystem?

Very few: http://mapofcoins.com/technologies

I see that timecoin is missing

Timekoin plx, there's no c, so it can't exist on that website unless it becomes mapofkoins:-P

[cAPSLOCK]

A reverse XMR.TO(s)?

XMR.from?

Like.

[vokain]

Any plans to give an interview on the Let's Talk Bitcoin network (alt channel so to speak). I just listened to an interview with the creator of DRK/dash and it was interesting to say the least. I would have liked a Monero guy on there to give an opposing/alternaive viewpoint. I think a little debate will help the stronger coin out. I'm in XMR's corner of course, but not reading much these days on its main competitor makes me feel a bit out of touch.

Related, can we ever have a wallet app on e.g. Android, for XMR as opposed to a web wallet- is there anything creative we can do?

IAS

Porting LightWallet to Android seems possible given reasonable inputs of time/effort/skill and/or funding/bounties.

XMR competes with BTC; Darshcoin competes with CLOAK and other shitcoins.

XMR has no serious competition in the 'legitimately trustless privacy-enabling digicash' sector.  Bitcoin, with its high-volume array of 3rd party tumblers/mixers, comes the closest.

Darsh enjoys 1st mover status in the 'scamcoin marketed as privacy-enabling digicash' field.  But its technology is unproven, and outside of the cult (who stand to profit from their Ponzi nodes) not many will trust it for security-sensitive applications.

10000 this, you'll rarely or almost never see any Bitcoin stuff making the slighest hint about Monero, unless the person really likes/understands it, after the scamcoin "bought"(subverted) dashcoin I have enough evidence to support my paranoia that Bitcoins already started to rolling behind the scenes to stop or slow down XMR acceptation. At minimum there is a silent conspiracy to ignore Monero/cryptonote.

Certainly agree, you rarely see articles about Monero/cryptonote popping up on prominent altcoin/bitcoin newssites. Also, Coindesk seems to remove replies where Monero is mentioned and has never written an article about it. The only website that isn't currently doing it and is open to the technology is LetsTalkBitcoins, albeit they are an advocate for Dash/Dark as well.

From my perspective I don't really talk about Monero except amongst us because... I don't really care to attract more competitors while I am still accumulating.

[Anon136]

Any plans to give an interview on the Let's Talk Bitcoin network (alt channel so to speak). I just listened to an interview with the creator of DRK/dash and it was interesting to say the least. I would have liked a Monero guy on there to give an opposing/alternaive viewpoint. I think a little debate will help the stronger coin out. I'm in XMR's corner of course, but not reading much these days on its main competitor makes me feel a bit out of touch.

Related, can we ever have a wallet app on e.g. Android, for XMR as opposed to a web wallet- is there anything creative we can do?

IAS

Porting LightWallet to Android seems possible given reasonable inputs of time/effort/skill and/or funding/bounties.

XMR competes with BTC; Darshcoin competes with CLOAK and other shitcoins.

XMR has no serious competition in the 'legitimately trustless privacy-enabling digicash' sector.  Bitcoin, with its high-volume array of 3rd party tumblers/mixers, comes the closest.

Darsh enjoys 1st mover status in the 'scamcoin marketed as privacy-enabling digicash' field.  But its technology is unproven, and outside of the cult (who stand to profit from their Ponzi nodes) not many will trust it for security-sensitive applications.

10000 this, you'll rarely or almost never see any Bitcoin stuff making the slighest hint about Monero, unless the person really likes/understands it, after the scamcoin "bought"(subverted) dashcoin I have enough evidence to support my paranoia that Bitcoins already started to rolling behind the scenes to stop or slow down XMR acceptation. At minimum there is a silent conspiracy to ignore Monero/cryptonote.

They will catch on eventually.  Its unique codebase makes it a good hedge should flaws be found in the Bitcoin codebase.  Should this scenario manifest itself all Bitcoin based coins (DRK/ASH) would be rendered useless as well.

Does anyone know how many fairly unique code bases exist in this crazy altcoin ecosystem?

bitcoin
nxt
monero
ripple (though im not sure its really a crypto currency, you have to decide yourself)
bitshares

These are the only ones i know, can anyone add to this list

[3x2]

Any plans to give an interview on the Let's Talk Bitcoin network (alt channel so to speak). I just listened to an interview with the creator of DRK/dash and it was interesting to say the least. I would have liked a Monero guy on there to give an opposing/alternaive viewpoint. I think a little debate will help the stronger coin out. I'm in XMR's corner of course, but not reading much these days on its main competitor makes me feel a bit out of touch.

Related, can we ever have a wallet app on e.g. Android, for XMR as opposed to a web wallet- is there anything creative we can do?

IAS

Porting LightWallet to Android seems possible given reasonable inputs of time/effort/skill and/or funding/bounties.

XMR competes with BTC; Darshcoin competes with CLOAK and other shitcoins.

XMR has no serious competition in the 'legitimately trustless privacy-enabling digicash' sector.  Bitcoin, with its high-volume array of 3rd party tumblers/mixers, comes the closest.

Darsh enjoys 1st mover status in the 'scamcoin marketed as privacy-enabling digicash' field.  But its technology is unproven, and outside of the cult (who stand to profit from their Ponzi nodes) not many will trust it for security-sensitive applications.

10000 this, you'll rarely or almost never see any Bitcoin stuff making the slighest hint about Monero, unless the person really likes/understands it, after the scamcoin "bought"(subverted) dashcoin I have enough evidence to support my paranoia that Bitcoins already started to rolling behind the scenes to stop or slow down XMR acceptation. At minimum there is a silent conspiracy to ignore Monero/cryptonote.

They will catch on eventually.  Its unique codebase makes it a good hedge should flaws be found in the Bitcoin codebase.  Should this scenario manifest itself all Bitcoin based coins (DRK/ASH) would be rendered useless as well.

Does anyone know how many fairly unique code bases exist in this crazy altcoin ecosystem?

bitcoin
nxt
monero
ripple (though im not sure its really a crypto currency, you have to decide yourself)
bitshares

These are the only ones i know, can anyone add to this list

NEM
NodeCoin

[Anon136]

They will catch on eventually.  Its unique codebase makes it a good hedge should flaws be found in the Bitcoin codebase.  Should this scenario manifest itself all Bitcoin based coins (DRK/ASH) would be rendered useless as well.

The flaw of everything related to Bitcoin being highly political and subject to a thicket of conflicting entrenched interests can't be easily fixed. That's why, for example, they have been talking about the block size for years and are no closer to a solution.

People in the crypto world need to just get used to the idea that crypto markets never will be like more traditional markets. Bitcoin never will be like gold. Crypto currencies are going to be constantly upturned and replaced and capital will constantly be flowing all over the place. Bitcoin will come and go, and what ever replaces it will come and go, and so to with what ever replaces bitcoins replacement. The solution to the blockchain size problem is to not attempt to arrive at a consensus, it is to just let the fork happen and let people go their own way. Crypto currencies will never be a place for savers, they will be vehicles for transferring value and for dedicated and nimble speculators. Scripted blockchain based derivatives contracts will allow people to hedge against volatility for a fee if they are just simple users so the tumultuous nature of these markets wont necessarily need to deter mom and pop. If you want to save, buy a gold coin. When you want to move the value that that gold coin represents to the other side of the planet instantly, that is when you need crypto.

[GingerAle]

They will catch on eventually.  Its unique codebase makes it a good hedge should flaws be found in the Bitcoin codebase.  Should this scenario manifest itself all Bitcoin based coins (DRK/ASH) would be rendered useless as well.

The flaw of everything related to Bitcoin being highly political and subject to a thicket of conflicting entrenched interests can't be easily fixed. That's why, for example, they have been talking about the block size for years and are no closer to a solution.

People in the crypto world need to just get used to the idea that crypto markets never will be like more traditional markets. Bitcoin never will be like gold. Crypto currencies are going to be constantly upturned and replaced and capital will constantly be flowing all over the place. Bitcoin will come and go, and what ever replaces it will come and go, and so to with what ever replaces bitcoins replacement. The solution to the blockchain size problem is to not attempt to arrive at a consensus, it is to just let the fork happen and let people go their own way. Crypto currencies will never be a place for savers, they will be vehicles for transferring value and for dedicated and nimble speculators. Scripted blockchain based derivatives contracts will allow people to hedge against volatility for a fee if they are just simple users so the tumultuous nature of these markets wont necessarily need to deter mom and pop. If you want to save, buy a gold coin. When you want to move the value that that gold coin represents to the other side of the planet instantly, that is when you need crypto.

Yeah, the evolution over time will be interesting. I.e., for those cryptocurrencies that are actually currencies (bitcoin, litecoin, monero), I can see things just constantly getting replaced and upgraded. The in-betweens will be interesting for speculators, but it will really all depend on merchant and customer adoption.

"Oh, we don't accept bitcoin here because confirmations take too long, the network is centralized, and transactions are traceable. But we do accept monero"

and then

"Oh, we don't accept monero here because (insert some reason that is sure to exist eventually), but we do accept SuperMonero."

Yes, will be interesting to watch these things evolve.

[Anon136]

They will catch on eventually.  Its unique codebase makes it a good hedge should flaws be found in the Bitcoin codebase.  Should this scenario manifest itself all Bitcoin based coins (DRK/ASH) would be rendered useless as well.

The flaw of everything related to Bitcoin being highly political and subject to a thicket of conflicting entrenched interests can't be easily fixed. That's why, for example, they have been talking about the block size for years and are no closer to a solution.

People in the crypto world need to just get used to the idea that crypto markets never will be like more traditional markets. Bitcoin never will be like gold. Crypto currencies are going to be constantly upturned and replaced and capital will constantly be flowing all over the place. Bitcoin will come and go, and what ever replaces it will come and go, and so to with what ever replaces bitcoins replacement. The solution to the blockchain size problem is to not attempt to arrive at a consensus, it is to just let the fork happen and let people go their own way. Crypto currencies will never be a place for savers, they will be vehicles for transferring value and for dedicated and nimble speculators. Scripted blockchain based derivatives contracts will allow people to hedge against volatility for a fee if they are just simple users so the tumultuous nature of these markets wont necessarily need to deter mom and pop. If you want to save, buy a gold coin. When you want to move the value that that gold coin represents to the other side of the planet instantly, that is when you need crypto.

Yeah, the evolution over time will be interesting. I.e., for those cryptocurrencies that are actually currencies (bitcoin, litecoin, monero), I can see things just constantly getting replaced and upgraded. The in-betweens will be interesting for speculators, but it will really all depend on merchant and customer adoption.

"Oh, we don't accept bitcoin here because confirmations take too long, the network is centralized, and transactions are traceable. But we do accept monero"

and then

"Oh, we don't accept monero here because (insert some reason that is sure to exist eventually), but we do accept SuperMonero."

Yes, will be interesting to watch these things evolve.

As long as they accept one crypto of any kind we can just shapeshift.io

This is all just so exciting! I'm so glad to be here and be part of what can only be called the beginnings of a new (peaceful) revolution.

[iCEBREAKER]

Good news everyone!

I've found a new mascot to replace MoonCat, and it comes bundled with a fantastic charity for the XMR community to adopt.

It turns out there is a Monero, New Mexico.  It's an old coal mining town, now used mostly by ranchers and wild horses.

MoneroMustangs.org is dedicated to preserving these lovely beasts, and has a slogan very appropriate to our cause:

Monero Mustangs - Still Wild And Free

You'll have to use XMR.to -> Paypal, but donating $25 for one of these sweet caps is worth it.

[GingerAle]

Good news everyone!

I've found a new mascot to replace MoonCat, and it comes bundled with a fantastic charity for the XMR community to adopt.

It turns out there is a Monero, New Mexico.  It's an old coal mining town, now used mostly by ranchers and wild horses.

MoneroMustangs.org is dedicated to preserving these lovely beasts, and has a slogan very appropriate to our cause:

Monero Mustangs - Still Wild And Free[/center]

You'll have to use XMR.to -> Paypal, but donating $25 for one of these sweet caps is worth it.

Awesome. The Monero Mustangs club. We're getting quite the collection of hatwear going.

[Its About Sharing]

Any plans to give an interview on the Let's Talk Bitcoin network (alt channel so to speak). I just listened to an interview with the creator of DRK/dash and it was interesting to say the least. I would have liked a Monero guy on there to give an opposing/alternaive viewpoint. I think a little debate will help the stronger coin out. I'm in XMR's corner of course, but not reading much these days on its main competitor makes me feel a bit out of touch.

Related, can we ever have a wallet app on e.g. Android, for XMR as opposed to a web wallet- is there anything creative we can do?

IAS

Thanks for the replies. I do think more factual comments about Monero and how it compares to Dark will help us. I get that Dark/Dash may be a scam to some, but for those that don't know the differences, name calling doesn't really help the cause. (Not saying everyone does that.)

Any idea on Monero being on LTBTC (one of their shows) or the like? I really think this can give us some exposure.

Since the emission mostly happens in the first 4 years (?), I'm not really in agreement regarding fewer people accumulating.
If we are to succeed, besides places to spend Monero (which might just amount to plugins in the near future), we need a wide disbursement.

[macsga]

Good news everyone!

I've found a new mascot to replace MoonCat, and it comes bundled with a fantastic charity for the XMR community to adopt.

It turns out there is a Monero, New Mexico.  It's an old coal mining town, now used mostly by ranchers and wild horses.

MoneroMustangs.org is dedicated to preserving these lovely beasts, and has a slogan very appropriate to our cause:

Monero Mustangs - Still Wild And Free[/center]

You'll have to use XMR.to -> Paypal, but donating $25 for one of these sweet caps is worth it.

Awesome. The Monero Mustangs club. We're getting quite the collection of hatwear going.

I like the logo and the incentive... even though I'm getting those weird feelings about the red Mustang I had driven once when I was studying in the US  . I'm watching the site now. I love the pics...

[dEBRUYNE]

Any plans to give an interview on the Let's Talk Bitcoin network (alt channel so to speak). I just listened to an interview with the creator of DRK/dash and it was interesting to say the least. I would have liked a Monero guy on there to give an opposing/alternaive viewpoint. I think a little debate will help the stronger coin out. I'm in XMR's corner of course, but not reading much these days on its main competitor makes me feel a bit out of touch.

Related, can we ever have a wallet app on e.g. Android, for XMR as opposed to a web wallet- is there anything creative we can do?

IAS

Thanks for the replies. I do think more factual comments about Monero and how it compares to Dark will help us. I get that Dark/Dash may be a scam to some, but for those that don't know the differences, name calling doesn't really help the cause. (Not saying everyone does that.)

Any idea on Monero being on LTBTC (one of their shows) or the like? I really think this can give us some exposure.

Since the emission mostly happens in the first 4 years (?), I'm not really in agreement regarding fewer people accumulating.
If we are to succeed, besides places to spend Monero (which might just amount to plugins in the near future), we need a wide disbursement.

Some readings for you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=939072.msg10291319#msg10291319
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=939072.msg10299280#msg10299280
If you have time, just read the whole topic of the above links.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg6804719#msg6804719
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978447.msg10696989#msg10696989
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/29471/are-there-any-true-anonymous-cryptocurrencies
http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2nu9rg/darkcoin_anoncoin_shadowcash_monero/cmh5ekr

[Its About Sharing]

Thanks so much dEBRUYNE - my reading list for a few days!

[5w00p]

I would like to attend a Moneroan's Party in Monero, NM.

10 USD party?!

[pa]

Any plans to give an interview on the Let's Talk Bitcoin network (alt channel so to speak). I just listened to an interview with the creator of DRK/dash and it was interesting to say the least. I would have liked a Monero guy on there to give an opposing/alternaive viewpoint. I think a little debate will help the stronger coin out. I'm in XMR's corner of course, but not reading much these days on its main competitor makes me feel a bit out of touch.

Related, can we ever have a wallet app on e.g. Android, for XMR as opposed to a web wallet- is there anything creative we can do?

IAS

Porting LightWallet to Android seems possible given reasonable inputs of time/effort/skill and/or funding/bounties.

XMR competes with BTC; Darshcoin competes with CLOAK and other shitcoins.

XMR has no serious competition in the 'legitimately trustless privacy-enabling digicash' sector.  Bitcoin, with its high-volume array of 3rd party tumblers/mixers, comes the closest.

Darsh enjoys 1st mover status in the 'scamcoin marketed as privacy-enabling digicash' field.  But its technology is unproven, and outside of the cult (who stand to profit from their Ponzi nodes) not many will trust it for security-sensitive applications.

10000 this, you'll rarely or almost never see any Bitcoin stuff making the slighest hint about Monero, unless the person really likes/understands it, after the scamcoin "bought"(subverted) dashcoin I have enough evidence to support my paranoia that Bitcoins already started to rolling behind the scenes to stop or slow down XMR acceptation. At minimum there is a silent conspiracy to ignore Monero/cryptonote.

Luke Jr. and other Bitcoin devs have hinted that they are working on a Monero-like Bitcoin sidechain. They obviously respect Monero's tech.

[dEBRUYNE]

Any plans to give an interview on the Let's Talk Bitcoin network (alt channel so to speak). I just listened to an interview with the creator of DRK/dash and it was interesting to say the least. I would have liked a Monero guy on there to give an opposing/alternaive viewpoint. I think a little debate will help the stronger coin out. I'm in XMR's corner of course, but not reading much these days on its main competitor makes me feel a bit out of touch.

Related, can we ever have a wallet app on e.g. Android, for XMR as opposed to a web wallet- is there anything creative we can do?

IAS

Porting LightWallet to Android seems possible given reasonable inputs of time/effort/skill and/or funding/bounties.

XMR competes with BTC; Darshcoin competes with CLOAK and other shitcoins.

XMR has no serious competition in the 'legitimately trustless privacy-enabling digicash' sector.  Bitcoin, with its high-volume array of 3rd party tumblers/mixers, comes the closest.

Darsh enjoys 1st mover status in the 'scamcoin marketed as privacy-enabling digicash' field.  But its technology is unproven, and outside of the cult (who stand to profit from their Ponzi nodes) not many will trust it for security-sensitive applications.

10000 this, you'll rarely or almost never see any Bitcoin stuff making the slighest hint about Monero, unless the person really likes/understands it, after the scamcoin "bought"(subverted) dashcoin I have enough evidence to support my paranoia that Bitcoins already started to rolling behind the scenes to stop or slow down XMR acceptation. At minimum there is a silent conspiracy to ignore Monero/cryptonote.

Luke Jr. and other Bitcoin devs have hinted that they are working on a Monero-like Bitcoin sidechain. They obviously respect Monero's tech.

More info here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

Make sure to read the comments as well.

[djjacket]

Good news everyone!

I've found a new mascot to replace MoonCat, and it comes bundled with a fantastic charity for the XMR community to adopt.

It turns out there is a Monero, New Mexico.  It's an old coal mining town, now used mostly by ranchers and wild horses.

MoneroMustangs.org is dedicated to preserving these lovely beasts, and has a slogan very appropriate to our cause:

Monero Mustangs - Still Wild And Free[/center]

You'll have to use XMR.to -> Paypal, but donating $25 for one of these sweet caps is worth it.

Awesome. The Monero Mustangs club. We're getting quite the collection of hatwear going.

I wonder if any of them are fluffy