[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[ancientcoins]

anyone know how much is the fee to send anonymously using verisend

[yourstruly]

Wow, this thread sure smells like FUD lately.


Lets see here, who am I gonna trust when it comes to deciding whether or not something is okay. The dev whose name and background I know, or the person hiding behind a screen name claiming that everything is in trouble.

Let me think...

Nice use of logical fallacy, it would make sense I guess if you ignored all the evidence and example code I provided.

Not required. That would be making my decision on the narrow scale. Besides, I neither code nor am inclined to learn how, so I must trust someone. Too many variables at play here. You make it public when you could have made it known privately and directly, which would have been more efficient. You make claims to your experience and worth, yet provide no proof. Your post history speaks for itself.

I am simply applying Occam's Razor. It's rarely wrong, and it says you are full of sh*t.

Have you been to github? On a project page there is a link in the sidebar that says issues, in there you will find any issue with the code being discussed including security. Software development is not typically discussed in private because the more people looking at a project the better. That is why Bitcoin is so good. You are really failing to understand software development and attempting to protect the value of your own investment at the cost of an actual discussion.

Also you failed to apply Occam's Razor correctly.

yourtrully VRC address

VSRU4HRgtqHifQaXN3QkQrdTRHdWLwUGZj


He recieved the bounty from our dev and immediately cashed it out. You think this guy isn't here to cause FUD? He wants price to go down.

There is really no other way to put it, you are an idiot who knows nothing about software development and is obsessed with your own personal investment.

Also moving between addresses != cashing out, so again you are proving your lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. You have nothing substantial to add.

Where did it go, moved to your other address with all your VRC you are holding? Is that why you decided to take on a public forum with things you CANNOT even prove work?

Again you are sidestepping the actual issue and talking about what I do with my money which has nothing to do with the security and other flaws in the centralized services that tie into VRC.

I did prove it works, I even provided code so anyone capable could do it themselves with very little work.

[jdebunt]

New articleeeee.....

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/vericoin-added-to-moolahio-today-vrcfiat-conversion

Do yer thang

[buy4crypto]

Wow, this thread sure smells like FUD lately.


Lets see here, who am I gonna trust when it comes to deciding whether or not something is okay. The dev whose name and background I know, or the person hiding behind a screen name claiming that everything is in trouble.

Let me think...

Nice use of logical fallacy, it would make sense I guess if you ignored all the evidence and example code I provided.

Not required. That would be making my decision on the narrow scale. Besides, I neither code nor am inclined to learn how, so I must trust someone. Too many variables at play here. You make it public when you could have made it known privately and directly, which would have been more efficient. You make claims to your experience and worth, yet provide no proof. Your post history speaks for itself.

I am simply applying Occam's Razor. It's rarely wrong, and it says you are full of sh*t.

Have you been to github? On a project page there is a link in the sidebar that says issues, in there you will find any issue with the code being discussed including security. Software development is not typically discussed in private because the more people looking at a project the better. That is why Bitcoin is so good. You are really failing to understand software development and attempting to protect the value of your own investment at the cost of an actual discussion.

Also you failed to apply Occam's Razor correctly.

yourtrully VRC address

VSRU4HRgtqHifQaXN3QkQrdTRHdWLwUGZj


He recieved the bounty from our dev and immediately cashed it out. You think this guy isn't here to cause FUD? He wants price to go down.

There is really no other way to put it, you are an idiot who knows nothing about software development and is obsessed with your own personal investment.

Also moving between addresses != cashing out, so again you are proving your lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. You have nothing substantial to add.

Where did it go, moved to your other address with all your VRC you are holding? Is that why you decided to take on a public forum with things you CANNOT even prove work?

Again you are sidestepping the actual issue and talking about what I do with my money which has nothing to do with the security and other flaws in the centralized services that tie into VRC.

I did prove it works, I even provided code so anyone capable could do it themselves with very little work.

The issue here is your motivation, and anyone reading more than a few pages can clearly see what motivates you.

I think enough evidence of your credibility is on display. Was actually happy to see your troll chat though, made me believe in the developers even more than I have already.

Solid team, Solid coin, and now we even got the trolls and FUDsters in full force. This coin is definately goin places.

[benthach]

New articleeeee.....

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/vericoin-added-to-moolahio-today-vrcfiat-conversion

Do yer thang

seem like vericoin keep pulling rabbits out of a hat nonstop. way to go!

[Fippy]

Wow, this thread sure smells like FUD lately.


Lets see here, who am I gonna trust when it comes to deciding whether or not something is okay. The dev whose name and background I know, or the person hiding behind a screen name claiming that everything is in trouble.

Let me think...

Nice use of logical fallacy, it would make sense I guess if you ignored all the evidence and example code I provided.

Not required. That would be making my decision on the narrow scale. Besides, I neither code nor am inclined to learn how, so I must trust someone. Too many variables at play here. You make it public when you could have made it known privately and directly, which would have been more efficient. You make claims to your experience and worth, yet provide no proof. Your post history speaks for itself.

I am simply applying Occam's Razor. It's rarely wrong, and it says you are full of sh*t.

Have you been to github? On a project page there is a link in the sidebar that says issues, in there you will find any issue with the code being discussed including security. Software development is not typically discussed in private because the more people looking at a project the better. That is why Bitcoin is so good. You are really failing to understand software development and attempting to protect the value of your own investment at the cost of an actual discussion.

Also you failed to apply Occam's Razor correctly.

I hardly need to 'protect' an investment that is currently sitting at 9x my average buy-in price, which I have already taken profit and more from kiddo.

You hide your identity. You are making a public circus out of something that would have been more efficiently done in private. You are obviously heavily invested in several coins that have tanked in value lately based on your very long post history. You keep spamming this thread to insist that you are correct, rather than just walk away if you really didn't care.

I applied it just fine, and like I said, you are just here to cause panic. So very sad. And just for the record, I make more than you.

[JakeThePanda]

Wow, this thread sure smells like FUD lately.


Lets see here, who am I gonna trust when it comes to deciding whether or not something is okay. The dev whose name and background I know, or the person hiding behind a screen name claiming that everything is in trouble.

Let me think...

Nice use of logical fallacy, it would make sense I guess if you ignored all the evidence and example code I provided.

Not required. That would be making my decision on the narrow scale. Besides, I neither code nor am inclined to learn how, so I must trust someone. Too many variables at play here. You make it public when you could have made it known privately and directly, which would have been more efficient. You make claims to your experience and worth, yet provide no proof. Your post history speaks for itself.

I am simply applying Occam's Razor. It's rarely wrong, and it says you are full of sh*t.

Have you been to github? On a project page there is a link in the sidebar that says issues, in there you will find any issue with the code being discussed including security. Software development is not typically discussed in private because the more people looking at a project the better. That is why Bitcoin is so good. You are really failing to understand software development and attempting to protect the value of your own investment at the cost of an actual discussion.

Also you failed to apply Occam's Razor correctly.

yourtrully VRC address

VSRU4HRgtqHifQaXN3QkQrdTRHdWLwUGZj


He recieved the bounty from our dev and immediately cashed it out. You think this guy isn't here to cause FUD? He wants price to go down.

There is really no other way to put it, you are an idiot who knows nothing about software development and is obsessed with your own personal investment.

Also moving between addresses != cashing out, so again you are proving your lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. You have nothing substantial to add.

Where did it go, moved to your other address with all your VRC you are holding? Is that why you decided to take on a public forum with things you CANNOT even prove work?

Again you are sidestepping the actual issue and talking about what I do with my money which has nothing to do with the security and other flaws in the centralized services that tie into VRC.

I did prove it works, I even provided code so anyone capable could do it themselves with very little work.

[pnosker]

I love how this thread immediately became about me instead of the security flaws and other issues I'm bringing up with the source code.

It is pretty telling.

The security was talked about and left alone by the dev a long time ago, its being resolved.

You on the other hand don't shut up and leave. You made your point, move on?

I don't know what thread you are reading but maybe not this one?

One issue was talked about, the developer downplayed the issue. I immediately found a way around his "closing the webservices" and found several others. So I don't think it was exactly resolved.

You don't think anything the dev tells you is fact, so why should we hold your words accountable over the dev, whose clearly responded to you several times and made it clear your concerns.

You don't listen well either, He said it was there intention to close the web services anyways, now that its integrated into the wallet.


Do you listen, or just speak?

If I didn't listen to the dev how could I have rewritten the script to bypass his "fixes"? The wallet access the webservice with a different URL which I was able to find in a matter of seconds. http://verisend.vericoin.info/Default/apiSendBtc?sendto=1NsqLEmk7bckyxocJToBYmgkte2j5KMGZp&amount=1

How could I have known what he was saying was blatant lying when I checked it out myself? You should seriously go back and read the conversation slower, maybe it would help.

How did I lie? Our software blocked all of your transactions. Did you profit at all? I didn't say we turned off the api.

[xCryptoManiaX]

Intentions are obvious, instead of PMing the devs, his main concern isn't with the fact that there is a small and easily fixable flaw in Veribit (something new and incredible), it is with the code isn't open source for people (such as a developer as himself) to see and rip off.  Other coins wished they had something as innovative as Veribit as it allows the coin to be accepted everywhere Bitcoin is.  

His long term interest in the coin is not high as before yesterday he didn't own 250 VRC.
Or perhaps he is FUDing so he can buy in low. Either way ignore is useful in this situation

P.S. Newegg has been added to vendors that accept Bitcoin/Vericoin!

[yourstruly]

Intentions are obvious, instead of PMing the devs, his main concern isn't with the fact that there is a small and easily fixable flaw in Veribit (something new and incredible), it is with the code isn't open source for people (such as a developer as himself) to see and rip off.  Other coins wished they had something as innovative as Veribit as it allows the coin to be accepted everywhere Bitcoin is.  

His long term interest in the coin is not high as before yesterday he didn't own 250 VRC.
Or perhaps he is FUDing so he can buy in low. Either way ignore is useful in this situation

P.S. Newegg has been added to vendors that accept Bitcoin/Vericoin!

If you think people want open source code is so they can rip it off you are a moron.

Also veribit is dead simple to reproduce, and a good programmer could do it better without nearly as many issues.

[ancientcoins]

Intentions are obvious, instead of PMing the devs, his main concern isn't with the fact that there is a small and easily fixable flaw in Veribit (something new and incredible), it is with the code isn't open source for people (such as a developer as himself) to see and rip off.  Other coins wished they had something as innovative as Veribit as it allows the coin to be accepted everywhere Bitcoin is.  

His long term interest in the coin is not high as before yesterday he didn't own 250 VRC.
Or perhaps he is FUDing so he can buy in low. Either way ignore is useful in this situation

P.S. Newegg has been added to vendors that accept Bitcoin/Vericoin!

If you think people want open source code is so they can rip it off you are a moron.

Also veribit is dead simple to reproduce, and a good programmer could do it better without nearly as many issues.

mamm coin is going to implement it soon

[Isokoira]

Your centralized services on vericoin.info are woefully insecure.

The debian 6 server running the site has not been hardened, you can login as root over ssh. There are many many more problems but I don't want to divulge too much as it could hurt a lot of people. The developer can send me a message if they want to talk about this in private.

Yea... ok. VeriBit/VeriSend are hosted on a Windows server.

They are not hosted on a windows server, that is not what I said. They are clearly hosted on debian running a legacy version of apache. I would be even more worried if they were actually on a windows server.

Edit: I'm not trying to spread FUD here, this is a very serious concern with how much money is being pumped into this economy. I'm worried about the alt-currency community more than the price of any individual coin. You can see that from my post history.

This is part of the reason I don't understand quite understand the hype around veribit.  People are saying it makes things so much easier, but does it really?  And at what cost?  The cost of security?  As far as I understand, all veribit does is exchange VRC for BTC, like any other altcoin can already do on any exchange.  Except, with veribit, we are trusting VRC's dev team to handle security on their centralized servers.  I am not saying VRC dev's are untrustworthy at all, but I do question whether they are qualified to keep these services secure.  As for me, I would far more trust services like Mintpal to securely hold and exchange my altcoins for BTC to then use and make purchases.

The VeriBit servers don't "hold" your coins for more than 5 minutes. After they receive them and get 4 confirms, they send you your BTC. So the user will never lose. If we have a security flaw (which we are getting audited right now), our pot of BTC could be lost. But I don't think that's a concern since the developer running the server works for the cloud computing division of one of the top software companies in the world... and knows his security.

Saying he works somewhere and saying he knows his security when this is obviously untrue makes me even more skeptical.

There is no reason root login should be enabled on the server, there is no reason password authentication should even be enabled. You should be logging in through keys. I shouldn't have to say this to someone who "knows their security".

Look, I don't know what to tell you. If you're actually concerned you would have PMed me. I don't have shell access to the Dreamhost server that the website is on. What I can tell you, is that the server that hosts all of the apps isn't a *nix server with root access, it's a Windows server hosted by Azure. I would be very skeptical if DreamHost left root access open on their server.

Why is it running on windows? Windows is known to have a lot of security risks, is not open source and not usually a go to choice for someone who "knows their security".

OMG, do you not know where DEV3 works or have you been under a rock since this coin has come out?  It's obviously running on Windows since he works at the biggest software company in the world where it's actually made and developed.  I would think he knows more about the inner workings than anyone else here.  Why would someone familiar with Windows and the security work with something else he is unfamiliar with?

[xCryptoManiaX]

Intentions are obvious, instead of PMing the devs, his main concern isn't with the fact that there is a small and easily fixable flaw in Veribit (something new and incredible), it is with the code isn't open source for people (such as a developer as himself) to see and rip off.  Other coins wished they had something as innovative as Veribit as it allows the coin to be accepted everywhere Bitcoin is.  

His long term interest in the coin is not high as before yesterday he didn't own 250 VRC.
Or perhaps he is FUDing so he can buy in low. Either way ignore is useful in this situation

P.S. Newegg has been added to vendors that accept Bitcoin/Vericoin!

If you think people want open source code is so they can rip it off you are a moron.

Also veribit is dead simple to reproduce, and a good programmer could do it better without nearly as many issues.

mamm coin is going to implement it soon

*a partnership with bitcoinshop is not nearly the same.

You're a walking cliche and talk is cheap. Fact is no other coin has something like Veribit and
even if the ease of repdoucibility true, it's the idea that counts (not the oh that's easy why didn't I think of Google or Facebook before it became big, ANY "good" programmer could have done that stance) it has to be done with a coin that people believe in that has value, distribution and the whole package

[P0PFrag]

Your centralized services on vericoin.info are woefully insecure.

The debian 6 server running the site has not been hardened, you can login as root over ssh. There are many many more problems but I don't want to divulge too much as it could hurt a lot of people. The developer can send me a message if they want to talk about this in private.

Yea... ok. VeriBit/VeriSend are hosted on a Windows server.

They are not hosted on a windows server, that is not what I said. They are clearly hosted on debian running a legacy version of apache. I would be even more worried if they were actually on a windows server.

Edit: I'm not trying to spread FUD here, this is a very serious concern with how much money is being pumped into this economy. I'm worried about the alt-currency community more than the price of any individual coin. You can see that from my post history.

This is part of the reason I don't understand quite understand the hype around veribit.  People are saying it makes things so much easier, but does it really?  And at what cost?  The cost of security?  As far as I understand, all veribit does is exchange VRC for BTC, like any other altcoin can already do on any exchange.  Except, with veribit, we are trusting VRC's dev team to handle security on their centralized servers.  I am not saying VRC dev's are untrustworthy at all, but I do question whether they are qualified to keep these services secure.  As for me, I would far more trust services like Mintpal to securely hold and exchange my altcoins for BTC to then use and make purchases.

The VeriBit servers don't "hold" your coins for more than 5 minutes. After they receive them and get 4 confirms, they send you your BTC. So the user will never lose. If we have a security flaw (which we are getting audited right now), our pot of BTC could be lost. But I don't think that's a concern since the developer running the server works for the cloud computing division of one of the top software companies in the world... and knows his security.

Saying he works somewhere and saying he knows his security when this is obviously untrue makes me even more skeptical.

There is no reason root login should be enabled on the server, there is no reason password authentication should even be enabled. You should be logging in through keys. I shouldn't have to say this to someone who "knows their security".

Look, I don't know what to tell you. If you're actually concerned you would have PMed me. I don't have shell access to the Dreamhost server that the website is on. What I can tell you, is that the server that hosts all of the apps isn't a *nix server with root access, it's a Windows server hosted by Azure. I would be very skeptical if DreamHost left root access open on their server.

Why is it running on windows? Windows is known to have a lot of security risks, is not open source and not usually a go to choice for someone who "knows their security".

OMG, do you not know where DEV3 works or have you been under a rock since this coin has come out?  It's obviously running on Windows since he works at the biggest software company in the world where it's actually made and developed.  I would think he knows more about the inner workings than anyone else here.  Why would someone familiar with Windows and the security work with something else he is unfamiliar with?

Back to my previous point, 95% of people who use Linux servers dont want to drop $699 on a Windows server OS.  Love it when people tout that Linux is so superior.   No, its not, get over it.

[aciddbboy]

Hi ,

I am still having some issues with the enchription of my vericoin wallet .

 Couple days ago i enchripted my wallet , create some new adress using the pssphrase with no issue at all .  Next morning i try to send vericoins and somehow the passphrase i was using yesterday does not work .

Lucky me i only had 0,1 vrc and i assumed that somehow i fucked it up.  Today , i create a new wallet . I deleted the wallet.data file and downloaded the wallet again and enchripited it .  

Again , i could create some new adress with no issues , the passphrase was correct . I wrote it down in 3 different places .  After 10 minuts , i try again the same procedure and the passphrase is incorrect !!

So i decided to do the same procedure one more time . This time the passphrase used to enchript my wallet was one sentence i would always remember . Anyway i also wrote it down on my computer .

Guess what? Exacltly the same issue . It would work the first 3 or 4 times i entered the passphrase but eventually will say passphrase incorrect no matter if i copy/paste if i write becasue i remember etc..

Am i crazy ? What am i missing here? Anyone with the same issue ?  

This is so so weird :S .

[ancientcoins]

Intentions are obvious, instead of PMing the devs, his main concern isn't with the fact that there is a small and easily fixable flaw in Veribit (something new and incredible), it is with the code isn't open source for people (such as a developer as himself) to see and rip off.  Other coins wished they had something as innovative as Veribit as it allows the coin to be accepted everywhere Bitcoin is.  

His long term interest in the coin is not high as before yesterday he didn't own 250 VRC.
Or perhaps he is FUDing so he can buy in low. Either way ignore is useful in this situation

P.S. Newegg has been added to vendors that accept Bitcoin/Vericoin!

If you think people want open source code is so they can rip it off you are a moron.

Also veribit is dead simple to reproduce, and a good programmer could do it better without nearly as many issues.

mamm coin is going to implement it soon

*a partnership with bitcoinshop is not nearly the same.

Talk is cheap. Fact is no other coin has something like Veribit and
even if the ease of repdoucibility true, it has to be done with a coin that people believe in that has value, distribution and the whole package

agree only talk yet, but once implemented it will be huge, its a coin to keep a eye on. veribit was the first but will not be the only one

[xCryptoManiaX]

Intentions are obvious, instead of PMing the devs, his main concern isn't with the fact that there is a small and easily fixable flaw in Veribit (something new and incredible), it is with the code isn't open source for people (such as a developer as himself) to see and rip off.  Other coins wished they had something as innovative as Veribit as it allows the coin to be accepted everywhere Bitcoin is.  

His long term interest in the coin is not high as before yesterday he didn't own 250 VRC.
Or perhaps he is FUDing so he can buy in low. Either way ignore is useful in this situation

P.S. Newegg has been added to vendors that accept Bitcoin/Vericoin!

If you think people want open source code is so they can rip it off you are a moron.

Also veribit is dead simple to reproduce, and a good programmer could do it better without nearly as many issues.

mamm coin is going to implement it soon

*a partnership with bitcoinshop is not nearly the same.

You're a walking cliche and talk is cheap. Fact is no other coin has something like Veribit and
even if the ease of repdoucibility true, it's the idea that counts (not the oh that's easy why didn't I think of Google or Facebook before it became big, ANY "good" programmer could have done that stance) it has to be done with a coin that people believe in that has value, distribution and the whole package

agree only talk yet, but once implemented it will be huge, its a coin to keep a eye on. veribit was the first but will not be the only one

again a partnership with a website that accepts Bitcoin is different from Veribit and the second part was directed to yourstruly

[ancientcoins]

Intentions are obvious, instead of PMing the devs, his main concern isn't with the fact that there is a small and easily fixable flaw in Veribit (something new and incredible), it is with the code isn't open source for people (such as a developer as himself) to see and rip off.  Other coins wished they had something as innovative as Veribit as it allows the coin to be accepted everywhere Bitcoin is.  

His long term interest in the coin is not high as before yesterday he didn't own 250 VRC.
Or perhaps he is FUDing so he can buy in low. Either way ignore is useful in this situation

P.S. Newegg has been added to vendors that accept Bitcoin/Vericoin!

If you think people want open source code is so they can rip it off you are a moron.

Also veribit is dead simple to reproduce, and a good programmer could do it better without nearly as many issues.

mamm coin is going to implement it soon

*a partnership with bitcoinshop is not nearly the same.

You're a walking cliche and talk is cheap. Fact is no other coin has something like Veribit and
even if the ease of repdoucibility true, it's the idea that counts (not the oh that's easy why didn't I think of Google or Facebook before it became big, ANY "good" programmer could have done that stance) it has to be done with a coin that people believe in that has value, distribution and the whole package

agree only talk yet, but once implemented it will be huge, its a coin to keep a eye on. veribit was the first but will not be the only one

again a partnership with a website that accepts Bitcoin is different from Veribit

im not talking about the partnership, with bitcoin shop, they will create a function where mamm can be paid anywhere where btc accepted. im sure veribit idea is not  patented

[buy4crypto]

Intentions are obvious, instead of PMing the devs, his main concern isn't with the fact that there is a small and easily fixable flaw in Veribit (something new and incredible), it is with the code isn't open source for people (such as a developer as himself) to see and rip off.  Other coins wished they had something as innovative as Veribit as it allows the coin to be accepted everywhere Bitcoin is.  

His long term interest in the coin is not high as before yesterday he didn't own 250 VRC.
Or perhaps he is FUDing so he can buy in low. Either way ignore is useful in this situation

P.S. Newegg has been added to vendors that accept Bitcoin/Vericoin!

If you think people want open source code is so they can rip it off you are a moron.

Also veribit is dead simple to reproduce, and a good programmer could do it better without nearly as many issues.

mamm coin is going to implement it soon

*a partnership with bitcoinshop is not nearly the same.

Talk is cheap. Fact is no other coin has something like Veribit and
even if the ease of repdoucibility true, it has to be done with a coin that people believe in that has value, distribution and the whole package

agree only talk yet, but once implemented it will be huge, its a coin to keep a eye on. veribit was the first but will not be the only one

Kind of like saying Bitcoin was the first, but not the only one. Whats its price doing?

The team with the innovation and first mover advantage wins in crypto. And VeriCoin has checkmate on everything relevant to people today. VeriCoin is beating Bitcoin as a reference. And look at Bitcoins price.

If you told me to look at crypto today and pick one, not knowing history or price today. I would pick VeriCoin, wouldn't you?

[ancientcoins]

Intentions are obvious, instead of PMing the devs, his main concern isn't with the fact that there is a small and easily fixable flaw in Veribit (something new and incredible), it is with the code isn't open source for people (such as a developer as himself) to see and rip off.  Other coins wished they had something as innovative as Veribit as it allows the coin to be accepted everywhere Bitcoin is.  

His long term interest in the coin is not high as before yesterday he didn't own 250 VRC.
Or perhaps he is FUDing so he can buy in low. Either way ignore is useful in this situation

P.S. Newegg has been added to vendors that accept Bitcoin/Vericoin!

If you think people want open source code is so they can rip it off you are a moron.

Also veribit is dead simple to reproduce, and a good programmer could do it better without nearly as many issues.

mamm coin is going to implement it soon

*a partnership with bitcoinshop is not nearly the same.

Talk is cheap. Fact is no other coin has something like Veribit and
even if the ease of repdoucibility true, it has to be done with a coin that people believe in that has value, distribution and the whole package

agree only talk yet, but once implemented it will be huge, its a coin to keep a eye on. veribit was the first but will not be the only one

Kind of like saying Bitcoin was the first, but not the only one. Whats is price doing?

The team with the innovation and first mover advantage wins in crypto. And VeriCoin has checkmate on everything relevant to people today. VeriCoin is beating Bitcoin as a reference. And look at Bitcoins price.

If you told me to look at crypto today and pick one, not knowing history or price today. I would pick VeriCoin, wouldn't you?

i am no way saying mamm is better than vrc, i hold vrc an continue to hold. i had to sell some to buy more mamm, im just saying they would be next one to do it unless others haven't planned it already.

if i was saying mamm is better than vrc, then sorry dude, but vrc is better.