[ANN][CRYPT] CryptCoin x11 + PoS | P2P Anonymity | 0% Premine | Commander

[googs84]

This community will tell me how good the anonymity solution is? You can't be serious. This community is seriously lacking experts (software security experts, mathematicians, cryptographers etc.). And most non-expert members of this community don't have enough (or any) critical attitude.

How can you explain the fact that no one could figure out that the anonymity solution from whitepaper can't work at all? And that there was almost no technical discussion about technical aspects of anonymity features after these problems with anonymity were exposed on Reddit?

Personally, I haven't bothered reading the whitepaper. It's not particularly interesting at this point. It's not what's going to make or break this coin. Whether or not Mindfox comes through is the first thing that matters. Assuming he does, then we can start digging into it, and providing criticism and ensure it gets improved if necessary. Assuming there are no fatal flaws that can't be rectified, then the next thing that will matter is whether nor not anyone puts in sufficient resources into marketing the coin. Frankly, marketing the coin is likely to matter far more than whether or not the anon feature is flawless.

For my part I'm not a security expert. I do have 30+ years of software experience, though, including handling security for billing systems processing millions of dollars. While I can't/won't evaluate the specifics of the cryptography, I'm certainly qualified to evaluate many "higher level" aspects of whether or not the implementation will be fit for purpose. I'm sure there are others here with relevant experience who will also be able to do at least initial assessments. If it passes initial "smell checks", then we can worry about whether there all the details are perfect.

The way I see it, this is an iterative process not least because I don't believe 100% anon is even theoretically possible.  I do believe in "sufficient anon", though, in that for every usage there's a level of anonymity that is "good enough".

Good Points! Finally some actual discussions on anon and not only hating on something that has not been released!

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[mxxxxxx]

This community will tell me how good the anonymity solution is? You can't be serious. This community is seriously lacking experts (software security experts, mathematicians, cryptographers etc.). And most non-expert members of this community don't have enough (or any) critical attitude.

How can you explain the fact that no one could figure out that the anonymity solution from whitepaper can't work at all? And that there was almost no technical discussion about technical aspects of anonymity features after these problems with anonymity were exposed on Reddit?

Personally, I haven't bothered reading the whitepaper. It's not particularly interesting at this point. It's not what's going to make or break this coin. Whether or not Mindfox comes through is the first thing that matters. Assuming he does, then we can start digging into it, and providing criticism and ensure it gets improved if necessary. Assuming there are no fatal flaws that can't be rectified, then the next thing that will matter is whether nor not anyone puts in sufficient resources into marketing the coin. Frankly, marketing the coin is likely to matter far more than whether or not the anon feature is flawless.

For my part I'm not a security expert. I do have 30+ years of software experience, though, including handling security for billing systems processing millions of dollars. While I can't/won't evaluate the specifics of the cryptography, I'm certainly qualified to evaluate many "higher level" aspects of whether or not the implementation will be fit for purpose. I'm sure there are others here with relevant experience who will also be able to do at least initial assessments. If it passes initial "smell checks", then we can worry about whether there all the details are perfect.

The way I see it, this is an iterative process not least because I don't believe 100% anon is even theoretically possible.  I do believe in "sufficient anon", though, in that for every usage there's a level of anonymity that is "good enough".

Good Points! Finally some actual discussions on anon and not only hating on something that has not been released!

I still believe we will see some unique solution here and if it is good then waiting time will be awarded

[knightlife999]

Personally, I haven't bothered reading the whitepaper. It's not particularly interesting at this point. It's not what's going to make or break this coin. Whether or not Mindfox comes through is the first thing that matters. Assuming he does, then we can start digging into it, and providing criticism and ensure it gets improved if necessary. Assuming there are no fatal flaws that can't be rectified, then the next thing that will matter is whether nor not anyone puts in sufficient resources into marketing the coin. Frankly, marketing the coin is likely to matter far more than whether or not the anon feature is flawless.

For my part I'm not a security expert. I do have 30+ years of software experience, though, including handling security for billing systems processing millions of dollars. While I can't/won't evaluate the specifics of the cryptography, I'm certainly qualified to evaluate many "higher level" aspects of whether or not the implementation will be fit for purpose. I'm sure there are others here with relevant experience who will also be able to do at least initial assessments. If it passes initial "smell checks", then we can worry about whether there all the details are perfect.

The way I see it, this is an iterative process not least because I don't believe 100% anon is even theoretically possible.  I do believe in "sufficient anon", though, in that for every usage there's a level of anonymity that is "good enough".

Thanks for the cogent answer vidarh. Glad to have you on the thread and looking forward to your opinions when the new wallet is released.

[child_harold]

Mindfox: Would you mind popping by and giving us a progress report?,

many thanks,

CH

[child_harold]

So many coins. So many anon coins. What muddy waters!

One elegant solution without mixers is what is needed.

[timk225]

Yeah mindfox, show up here (NOT ON IRC) and explain why I don't have my huge profits yet!!!!!

[child_harold]

Yeah mindfox, show up here (NOT ON IRC) and explain why I don't have my huge profits yet!!!!!

Come on man! Dont scare him off with heavy words! Leave the talking to someone else maybe 

[child_harold]

[pbremen01]

Yeah mindfox, show up here (NOT ON IRC) and explain why I don't have my huge profits yet!!!!!

Maybe because you are bad trader?

But I also think that Mindfox needs to show up here. IRC doesn't have archives and most people can't hang there 24/7 to catch Mindfox online.

[Waldozaur12]

pbremen01 cloaktroll 

[timk225]

Not only can I not hang on IRC and wait for him, I refuse to.  He needs to get on HERE and explain himself and why this is taking so damn long!

I offer my 1250 CRYPT coins for 300,000 satoshis each.  Priced in anticipation of the future rise in price.  Who's dumb enough to buy this fantastic opportunity?

I might start mining something else if this crapcoin doesn't pay off damn soon!

Mods - my post counter has been stuck at 392 for my last several posts.

[Flunder707]

Heres a good one from the crypt archives... enjoy

[10:34] <@mindfox_laptop> techaddict1990, what are you talking about?
[10:34] <@mindfox_laptop> 2 weeks?
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[10:35] <techaddict1990> I was referring to the bitcointalk thread, update on june25th.
[10:35] <techaddict1990> was just wondering if you guys are testing now or still coding or whats going on
[10:35] <@mindfox_laptop> why do you feel that this thread should be regularly updated?
[10:35] <@mindfox_laptop> what purpose would it serve?
[10:35] <@mindfox_laptop> bct is a junkyard for fudders
[10:35] <@mindfox_laptop> do you feel comfortable with that?
[10:36] <techaddict1990> I didnt say it should be regularly updated, I was stating that it has been 2 weeks since a dev has said anything relevant to the project
[10:36] <@mindfox_laptop> techaddict1990, may I ask a question?
[10:36] <techaddict1990> no permission needed
[10:36] <@mindfox_laptop> how long do you think a developing project usually takes?
[10:36] <techaddict1990> or you could just answer mine
[10:36] <@mindfox_laptop> especially when it happens during one's free time?
[10:37] <techaddict1990> irrelevant, I simply asked what phase you are in. still coding, or testing or what
[10:37] <techaddict1990> i didnt know it was on your "free" time since you are paid to do it
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[10:37] <@mindfox_laptop> what?
[10:38] <techaddict1990> could you be more specific with the "what"
[10:38] <@mindfox_laptop> am I paid each month sallary?
[10:38] <techaddict1990> which part is the what referring to
[10:38] * namzyewc_home (~NamZy@bb121-6-94-116.singnet.com.sg) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[10:38] <@mindfox_laptop> am I an employee of someone?
[10:38] <@mindfox_laptop> I did not understand what you implied?
[10:38] <techaddict1990> idk I dont manage your finances. I know you are receiving payment for completion of the project
[10:38] <@mindfox_laptop> are you the one who is paying me?
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop> since you brought that matter
[10:39] <techaddict1990> I dont believe I implied that I was
[10:39] <techaddict1990> Again, a simple question
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop> well, you sounded like my boss techaddict1990. That's what I'm saying
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop>
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop> it's all together
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop> coding, testing, coding again, testing again
[10:40] <@mindfox_laptop> getting ready to release
[10:40] <@mindfox_laptop> all of the above
[10:40] <techaddict1990> nevermind, ill just not ask anything anymore
[10:41] <@mindfox_laptop> I didn't say that
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[10:41] * @gudcrypt_ (~gudcrypt@unaffiliated/gudcrypt) Quit (*.net *.split)
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> I said that perhaps you should be a bit less raw and direct when you ask a question
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> well, direct you should be
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> but, as I told you, you sounded like you were my boss
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> especially in the "you're getting paid" part
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> please read what you typed and you'll understand
[10:42] <techaddict1990> I know what you're saying mindfox
[10:42] <techaddict1990> I also know that you know how to answer the question that I asked rather than giving vague responses that give no real answer
[10:43] <techaddict1990> not trying to be a dick
[10:43] <techaddict1990> but perhaps
[10:43] <techaddict1990> uh
[10:43] <techaddict1990> a percentage for how close you are to being comfortable with releasing what you are developing
[10:43] <@mindfox_laptop> I don't know how to answer the question
[10:43] <@mindfox_laptop> I have an estimation
[10:43] <@mindfox_laptop> but in coding, anything can happen
[10:43] <techaddict1990> I dont mean how close you are to being 100% absolutely done
[10:43] <@mindfox_laptop> even the last minute of testing
[10:44] <@mindfox_laptop> this seems to be something not many are able/willing to realize
[10:44] <techaddict1990> just releasing say an alpha release for test
[10:44] <techaddict1990> I understand that as I too have programming experience
[10:44] <@mindfox_laptop> that's great
[10:44] <techaddict1990> but projects generally have a schedule/timeframe
[10:45] <@mindfox_laptop> then, is it wise to setup an alpha test, when I know beforehand and have a list of problems I'm resolving?
[10:45] <techaddict1990> i understand you dnt want to put a date out there to have people fud and go crazy when its not met

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Important things to know
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Unless you pay the man directly, stop expecting answers.

He will be payed in according to innovation level and "functions" of his "hard to trace" wallet, and will not be payed until completion.  Mindfox wanted it this way.

[timk225]

"paid", not "payed".

Mindfox is holding up MY payday by taking so long to release this damn wallet.

[asoom]

"paid", not "payed".

Mindfox is holding up MY payday by taking so long to release this damn wallet.

Why in the world do you think that its every ones fault but yours its called high risk investments with no SEC if you lost money your a bad investor. This is not the first post I have red from you blaming others for your stupidity.

[nyktalgia]

Is now a good time to buy or is this coin goin to shiitake mushrooming?

[timk225]

It IS their fault, mindfox and his knightlife999-cheerleader have been stringing us along for a month now with all their BS about how great it'll be and it is coming soon.

[rstarikov]

Heres a good one from the crypt archives... enjoy

[10:34] <@mindfox_laptop> techaddict1990, what are you talking about?
[10:34] <@mindfox_laptop> 2 weeks?
[10:34] * namzyewc_home_ (~NamZy@bb121-6-94-116.singnet.com.sg) has joined #cryptcoin
[10:35] <techaddict1990> I was referring to the bitcointalk thread, update on june25th.
[10:35] <techaddict1990> was just wondering if you guys are testing now or still coding or whats going on
[10:35] <@mindfox_laptop> why do you feel that this thread should be regularly updated?
[10:35] <@mindfox_laptop> what purpose would it serve?
[10:35] <@mindfox_laptop> bct is a junkyard for fudders
[10:35] <@mindfox_laptop> do you feel comfortable with that?
[10:36] <techaddict1990> I didnt say it should be regularly updated, I was stating that it has been 2 weeks since a dev has said anything relevant to the project
[10:36] <@mindfox_laptop> techaddict1990, may I ask a question?
[10:36] <techaddict1990> no permission needed
[10:36] <@mindfox_laptop> how long do you think a developing project usually takes?
[10:36] <techaddict1990> or you could just answer mine
[10:36] <@mindfox_laptop> especially when it happens during one's free time?
[10:37] <techaddict1990> irrelevant, I simply asked what phase you are in. still coding, or testing or what
[10:37] <techaddict1990> i didnt know it was on your "free" time since you are paid to do it
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[10:37] <@mindfox_laptop> what?
[10:38] <techaddict1990> could you be more specific with the "what"
[10:38] <@mindfox_laptop> am I paid each month sallary?
[10:38] <techaddict1990> which part is the what referring to
[10:38] * namzyewc_home (~NamZy@bb121-6-94-116.singnet.com.sg) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[10:38] <@mindfox_laptop> am I an employee of someone?
[10:38] <@mindfox_laptop> I did not understand what you implied?
[10:38] <techaddict1990> idk I dont manage your finances. I know you are receiving payment for completion of the project
[10:38] <@mindfox_laptop> are you the one who is paying me?
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop> since you brought that matter
[10:39] <techaddict1990> I dont believe I implied that I was
[10:39] <techaddict1990> Again, a simple question
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop> well, you sounded like my boss techaddict1990. That's what I'm saying
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop>
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop> it's all together
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop> coding, testing, coding again, testing again
[10:40] <@mindfox_laptop> getting ready to release
[10:40] <@mindfox_laptop> all of the above
[10:40] <techaddict1990> nevermind, ill just not ask anything anymore
[10:41] <@mindfox_laptop> I didn't say that
[10:41] * urpor (~urpor@109-92-91-49.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) Quit (*.net *.split)
[10:41] * @gudcrypt_ (~gudcrypt@unaffiliated/gudcrypt) Quit (*.net *.split)
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> I said that perhaps you should be a bit less raw and direct when you ask a question
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> well, direct you should be
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> but, as I told you, you sounded like you were my boss
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> especially in the "you're getting paid" part
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> please read what you typed and you'll understand
[10:42] <techaddict1990> I know what you're saying mindfox
[10:42] <techaddict1990> I also know that you know how to answer the question that I asked rather than giving vague responses that give no real answer
[10:43] <techaddict1990> not trying to be a dick
[10:43] <techaddict1990> but perhaps
[10:43] <techaddict1990> uh
[10:43] <techaddict1990> a percentage for how close you are to being comfortable with releasing what you are developing
[10:43] <@mindfox_laptop> I don't know how to answer the question
[10:43] <@mindfox_laptop> I have an estimation
[10:43] <@mindfox_laptop> but in coding, anything can happen
[10:43] <techaddict1990> I dont mean how close you are to being 100% absolutely done
[10:43] <@mindfox_laptop> even the last minute of testing
[10:44] <@mindfox_laptop> this seems to be something not many are able/willing to realize
[10:44] <techaddict1990> just releasing say an alpha release for test
[10:44] <techaddict1990> I understand that as I too have programming experience
[10:44] <@mindfox_laptop> that's great
[10:44] <techaddict1990> but projects generally have a schedule/timeframe
[10:45] <@mindfox_laptop> then, is it wise to setup an alpha test, when I know beforehand and have a list of problems I'm resolving?
[10:45] <techaddict1990> i understand you dnt want to put a date out there to have people fud and go crazy when its not met

*******************
Important things to know
*******************

Unless you pay the man directly, stop expecting answers.

He will be payed in according to innovation level and "functions" of his "hard to trace" wallet, and will not be payed until completion.  Mindfox wanted it this way.

Which out of two is an idiot? (hint, its starts with t)

[Epimetheus]

It IS their fault, mindfox and his knightlife999-cheerleader have been stringing us along for a month now with all their BS about how great it'll be and it is coming soon.

Please sell your coins and leave the thread man. You're whining like a 2-year old for a long time now. Grow some balls

[asoom]

It IS their fault, mindfox and his knightlife999-cheerleader have been stringing us along for a month now with all their BS about how great it'll be and it is coming soon.

iv made money on both dips so no its not take your loose and move on don't just hold coin

[sofu]

It IS their fault, mindfox and his knightlife999-cheerleader have been stringing us along for a month now with all their BS about how great it'll be and it is coming soon.

Seriously. If you do not accept that a shitty trade is only your fault an not someones else, you should stop trading.