[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[Hippie Tech]

I have searched this thread, the clams website, the clams github, and the internet for a list of the Bitcoin, Litecoin and Dogecoin addresses whose snapshots were used in the clams distribution without success. Is there a list of those distribution addresses available?

I also searched the early blocks in the block explorer, but couldn't find any Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses. Where are those addresses in the clams blockchain.

+ fucking 1

The "digger" has it.

[rocoro]

That's my point. Anyone with a nugget of trading smarts could have squeezed much more money out of the community over time than the digger has. Ergo, malicious intent.

You're so smart. Good for you. Not everyone has trading smarts like you to know how to increase the money supply by 50% without dropping the price. But awesome that you do. If you ever get the chance, you can manipulate the market better.

Be happy that I did not manipulate the market. Would you have preferred that I pumped and dumped the coin? And made more money from this? Jeez...

^ Its' probably just some crappy kid in his mom's basement that doesn't know fcksh**T about markets.

Give them a break.. crypto is the wild west ..  can't handle the heat get outta the kitchen  

my .02 crypto

[Hippie Tech]

I was implying that your/Dooglus' story about "the digger" sounds just as made up as Polo's. lol

I don't have a story about "the digger". Digging is happening, provably so. I pointed it out.

If I/we were to clone the original CLAM client and move the snapshot back 1 year, how many coins will you, I mean Dooglus, I mean BayAreaCoins lose ?

Ignoring the fact that if you were to make a clone of CLAM not a single fuck would be given, and not a single CLAM lost, if the snapshot had happened in May 2013 instead of in May 2014, that would have been about a month before Just-Dice first launched. I would probably have had something like 5 funded addresses instead of the ~30 I had in May 2014. So I would lose 25*4.6 = 115 CLAMs.

Are you suggesting that Creative, BAC, and I are all the same person? Do you know how silly that makes you look?

Who is Creative ? (slip up on the dev's alt name ??)

Who is who and their socks may one day be determined.. Regardless.. you guys are definitely putting on a show.

You and 42dice both like to run gambling sites and.. you have both like to play with posts and/or PM so as to cause confusion or be misleading.

Coincidence ?

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

Are you suggesting that Creative, BAC, and I are all the same person? Do you know how silly that makes you look?

HippieDick, aka A Man's Tot, doesn't realize how he looks. His view of himself comes from the mirror he holds in front of himself admiringly as he types.  The other hand is busy in his lap.  With both hands busy, his posts are voice-activated.  When reading HIppieDick's posts, imagine the sound of Rush Limbaugh's voice modulated by Donald Trump's intellect.  HippieDick is the head "birther" of the alt-coin scene.

[Hippie Tech]

I was implying that your/Dooglus' story about "the digger" sounds just as made up as Polo's. lol

I don't have a story about "the digger". Digging is happening, provably so. I pointed it out.

If I/we were to clone the original CLAM client and move the snapshot back 1 year, how many coins will you, I mean Dooglus, I mean BayAreaCoins lose ?

Ignoring the fact that if you were to make a clone of CLAM not a single fuck would be given, and not a single CLAM lost, if the snapshot had happened in May 2013 instead of in May 2014, that would have been about a month before Just-Dice first launched. I would probably have had something like 5 funded addresses instead of the ~30 I had in May 2014. So I would lose 25*4.6 = 115 CLAMs.

Are you suggesting that Creative, BAC, and I are all the same person? Do you know how silly that makes you look?

Who is Creative ? (slip up on the dev's alt name ??)

Who is who and their socks may one day be determined.. Regardless.. you guys are definitely putting on a show.

You and 42dice both like to run gambling sites and.. you have both like to play with posts and/or PM so as to cause confusion or be misleading.

Coincidence ?

update..

Is SuperClams creativecuriosity ?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=210646

BayAreaCoins seems to think so .. LOL

User controls account linked in the reference.

Please reference the reference for my feedback.

[wry]

I wasn't thinking too much about hiding the true number of coins. If I did, I would have realized to not dig them in descending block order. The reason I was digging so slowly was because that was the speed I was selling them at on Poloniex. To not risk losing the coins, I did not have a clamcoin wallet set up and I did not want to send more coins than necessary to Poloniex. So there was no need to dig them up faster. The only reason I'm digging them up faster now is to try to remove some uncertainty.

Hi curious!  

First and most importantly congratulations on your clam windfall.  I'm jealous, no lie.  I'm impressed you kept all your faucet milking addies funded long enough to catch the clams!

I do have a question, if you didn't have a clamcoin wallet how did you dig your clams?  I had figured you already had your gazillion coins in your wallet already.

Unlike others I think you've played it pretty well.  I think many who were confronted with such a windfall would have just driven price down with massive selling, especially once dooglus figured out what was going on.

Also, I'm surprised no one has invited you to Dooglus's Just Dice.  If you are ever lonely or bored show up there with 100 clams and "rain" them out to the gamblers in chat.  They will go apeshit and claim you are the greatest.  Too bad Klye's gone, you could be immortalized like so many other high rollers there by his "ART".  (Klye's art is NSFW.)

Congratulations again!

[Hippie Tech]

I wasn't thinking too much about hiding the true number of coins. If I did, I would have realized to not dig them in descending block order. The reason I was digging so slowly was because that was the speed I was selling them at on Poloniex. To not risk losing the coins, I did not have a clamcoin wallet set up and I did not want to send more coins than necessary to Poloniex. So there was no need to dig them up faster. The only reason I'm digging them up faster now is to try to remove some uncertainty.

Hi curious! 

First and most importantly congratulations on your clam windfall.  I'm jealous, no lie.  I'm impressed you kept all your faucet milking addies funded long enough to catch the clams!

I do have a question, if you didn't have a clamcoin wallet how did you dig your clams?  I had figured you already had your gazillion coins in your wallet already.

Unlike others I think you've played it pretty well.  I think many who were confronted with such a windfall would have just driven price down with massive selling, especially once dooglus figured out what was going on.

Also, I'm surprised no one has invited you to Dooglus's Just Dice.  If you are ever lonely or bored show up there with 100 clams and "rain" them out to the gamblers in chat.  They will go apeshit and claim you are the greatest.  Too bad Klye's gone, you could be immortalized like so many other high rollers there by his "ART".  (Klye's art is NSFW.)

Congratulations again!

Soo.. the digger is curious... SuperClams alt is creativecuriosity with its sig advertising a well known dice casino scam...

WHAT A FUCKLOAD OF COINCIDENCES !

Should we toss creativex into the ring !?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=36667

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

I wasn't thinking too much about hiding the true number of coins. If I did, I would have realized to not dig them in descending block order. The reason I was digging so slowly was because that was the speed I was selling them at on Poloniex. To not risk losing the coins, I did not have a clamcoin wallet set up and I did not want to send more coins than necessary to Poloniex. So there was no need to dig them up faster. The only reason I'm digging them up faster now is to try to remove some uncertainty.

Hi curious! 

First and most importantly congratulations on your clam windfall.  I'm jealous, no lie.  I'm impressed you kept all your faucet milking addies funded long enough to catch the clams!

I do have a question, if you didn't have a clamcoin wallet how did you dig your clams?  I had figured you already had your gazillion coins in your wallet already.

Unlike others I think you've played it pretty well.  I think many who were confronted with such a windfall would have just driven price down with massive selling, especially once dooglus figured out what was going on.

Also, I'm surprised no one has invited you to Dooglus's Just Dice.  If you are ever lonely or bored show up there with 100 clams and "rain" them out to the gamblers in chat.  They will go apeshit and claim you are the greatest.  Too bad Klye's gone, you could be immortalized like so many other high rollers there by his "ART".  (Klye's art is NSFW.)

Congratulations again!

Soo.. the digger is curious... SuperClams alt is creativecuriosity with its sig advertising a well known dice casino scam...

WHAT A FUCKLOAD OF COINCIDENCES !

Should we toss creativex into the ring !?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=36667

HippieDick makes Gleb look like the genius offspring of Sherlock Holmes and Albert Einstein

[tex99]

[snip]

I can try to convince you of the timescales. At 2015-11-13 22:51:23 the digger dug the following addresses: [x9NXaGSz] [xA9338mM] [xPWEDmTS] [xEZKQHEU] [xPosuwLa] [xNNwmVoL] [xXL7bZ5s], all of which were funded in block 5763. Click each link and check which block the addresses were funded in, and which block they were emptied in. Before that he was working on block 5764, and so on back up to the newest distribution block. If you were to dig from block 9999 back to block 5764, you would have dug 38.32% of all the distribution CLAMs. Since the whale digger's CLAMs are uniformly distributed through the initial distribution we can say with pretty good certainty that he is around 38% of the way through digging the wallet he's currently working on.

[snip]

How do you know the whale digger dug those particular addresses, and is there a way to find which Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses correspond to those clam addresses?

Is there a way to get a list of all the addresses this particular whale digger has already claimed his clams from?

Is there a way to get a list of all the addresses this particular whale digger can potentially claim clams from in the future?

I have searched this thread, the clams website, the clams github, and the internet for a list of the Bitcoin, Litecoin and Dogecoin addresses whose snapshots were used in the clams distribution without success. Is there a list of those distribution addresses available?

I also searched the early blocks in the block explorer, but couldn't find any Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses. Where are those addresses in the clams blockchain?

I researched answers to these two queries some more and discovered different coins have a different version byte stored in their address, which explains how a clam address can have the same private key as a bitcoin address, but both addresses will be different. Were the Bitcoin, Litecoin and Dogecoin snapshot addresses converted to clams format before they were placed in the clams blockchain? Is that why I can't find any Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses in there?

[seedtrue]

[snip]

I can try to convince you of the timescales. At 2015-11-13 22:51:23 the digger dug the following addresses: [x9NXaGSz] [xA9338mM] [xPWEDmTS] [xEZKQHEU] [xPosuwLa] [xNNwmVoL] [xXL7bZ5s], all of which were funded in block 5763. Click each link and check which block the addresses were funded in, and which block they were emptied in. Before that he was working on block 5764, and so on back up to the newest distribution block. If you were to dig from block 9999 back to block 5764, you would have dug 38.32% of all the distribution CLAMs. Since the whale digger's CLAMs are uniformly distributed through the initial distribution we can say with pretty good certainty that he is around 38% of the way through digging the wallet he's currently working on.

[snip]

How do you know the whale digger dug those particular addresses, and is there a way to find which Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses correspond to those clam addresses?

Is there a way to get a list of all the addresses this particular whale digger has already claimed his clams from?

Is there a way to get a list of all the addresses this particular whale digger can potentially claim clams from in the future?

I have searched this thread, the clams website, the clams github, and the internet for a list of the Bitcoin, Litecoin and Dogecoin addresses whose snapshots were used in the clams distribution without success. Is there a list of those distribution addresses available?

I also searched the early blocks in the block explorer, but couldn't find any Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses. Where are those addresses in the clams blockchain?

I researched answers to these two queries some more and discovered different coins have a different version byte stored in their address, which explains how a clam address can have the same private key as a bitcoin address, but both addresses will be different. Were the Bitcoin, Litecoin and Dogecoin snapshot addresses converted to clams format before they were placed in the clams blockchain? Is that why I can't find any Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses in there?

I was wondering whether it's possible to find out whether a particular Bitcoin address has any CLAMS associated with it without having to have access to the private key.

The helpful folks on the #clams IRC channel told me it is - you can convert from Bitcoin address to CLAMS address without needing the private key.

Here's one way of doing it, using the "python-bitcoinlib" library:

$ git clone https://github.com/jgarzik/python-bitcoinlib.git
Cloning into 'python-bitcoinlib'...
remote: Reusing existing pack: 913, done.       
remote: Total 913 (delta 0), reused 0 (delta 0)       
Receiving objects: 100% (913/913), 300.69 KiB | 145.00 KiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (487/487), done.
Checking connectivity... done.

$ cd python-bitcoinlib/

$ python
Python 2.7.6 (default, Mar 22 2014, 22:59:56)
[GCC 4.8.2] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import bitcoin.base58
>>> def btc2clam(addr): return bitcoin.base58.CBase58Data(bitcoin.base58.decode(addr)[1:-4], 0x89).__str__()
...
>>> print btc2clam('14o7zMMUJkG6De24r3JkJ6USgChq7iWF86')
xC6ktEBwaTk8G27wCWwQjGmDuK14SZPvJa
>>>

[rindo]

dooglus i Can see Latest digger Chart

[YoyodyneSystems]

There are 644,322 accounts on Bitcointalk. Of those, only 55 have the word "curious" or "curiosity" in them.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sa=search
You could say the odds that "SuperClam - creativecuriosity" (the dev) and "Curious" (the digger) do NOT know each other are around 11,700 to 1.

I'm not a statistics expert but that is (wait for it)..... curious.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

There are 644,322 accounts on Bitcointalk. Of those, only 55 have the word "curious" or "curiosity" in them.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sa=search
You could say the odds that "SuperClam - creativecuriosity" (the dev) and "Curious" (the digger) do NOT know each other are around 11,700 to 1.

I'm not a statistics expert but that is (wait for it)..... curious.

I applaud them and thank them for devising, planning, hiding, carrying out, and revealing this conspiracy with timing that is both elegant and explosive.

The only way it could have been better is if they had revealed it on November 22.

I especially want to thank "curious" for not using a new user name when it came time to reveal.

[doothewop]

or just change the bloody coin at Justdice

What is this in response to?

[SuperClam]

There are 644,322 accounts on Bitcointalk. Of those, only 55 have the word "curious" or "curiosity" in them.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sa=search
You could say the odds that "SuperClam - creativecuriosity" (the dev) and "Curious" (the digger) do NOT know each other are around 11,700 to 1.
I'm not a statistics expert but that is (wait for it)..... curious.

I applaud them and thank them for devising, planning, hiding, carrying out, and revealing this conspiracy with timing that is both elegant and explosive.
The only way it could have been better is if they had revealed it on November 22.
I especially want to thank "curious" for not using a new user name when it came time to reveal.

Soo.. the digger is curious... SuperClams alt is creativecuriosity with its sig advertising a well known dice casino scam...
WHAT A FUCKLOAD OF COINCIDENCES !
Should we toss creativex into the ring !?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=36667

HippieDick makes Gleb look like the genius offspring of Sherlock Holmes and Albert Einstein

creativecuriosity is my personal and original BTTalk account.
Though, if you look at some of the posts in the beginning of the thread they were co-written by xploited and I.
garthkiser and possibly tryphe helped out here or there as well.

We were also involved in DigiByte.

None of this has been "confidential" or particularly guarded information....

The only reason the "dice" signature is still on the creativecuriosity account is because I have been too lazy to dig out an old laptop to grep the password for the account (as I haven't used it in some time).
When this came up, I checked the link, and it led to a gateway/landing advertising page - so, it wasn't a priority.

I don't know "curious" anymore than the rest of you; though we exchanged PM's shortly after he revealed himself.
When I reviewed his account, I noticed how long ago he registered here at BTTalk.

I don't think I was even aware of the crypto community when his account was created.

I'm not sure how you "prove" a negative, i.e. that I don't know, and am not, the user "curious".
If you ask nicely, maybe BTTalk mods would be willing to verify that we've never ever logged from the same IP address.
I give you permission to ask, and the moderators of BTTalk to verify this, if that makes you feel any better.

As for dooglus and I, you caught us.
We are indeed the same person.  /s

[rocoro]

Doesn't cheaper clams just mean more people can afford more to gamble with -- which in turn equals more people interested and playing??

Just trying to bring up a brighter, positive side. 

[romjpn]

I think it's a good opportunity to buy. It's still risky but look at that resilient price, the digger is also out writing here and said it didn't mean to do bad (well if you believe what is he saying). Of course, consider it as extremely risky  .

[Jocuserious]

Is there a summary available somewhere?  What is the digger doing and why? 

Someone mentioned it in the Polobox the other day and I am merely curious.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

Is there a summary available somewhere?  What is the digger doing and why?  

Someone mentioned it in the Polobox the other day and I am merely curious.

Whoa!! You're curious?  HippieDick, get on this, right now!  This guy's name anagrams to "Jose Curious".  A clue!!!

[Jocuserious]

Is there a summary available somewhere?  What is the digger doing and why?  

Someone mentioned it in the Polobox the other day and I am merely curious.

Whoa!! You're curious?  HippieDick, get on this, right now!  This guy's name anagrams to "Jose Curious".  A clue!!!

FFS.  Do you think I haven't read the previous couple of pages?