[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[crazyivan]

All I can say is THANK YOU digger for fucking up a great coin. Now you can dump as much as you want.

If you were a bit smarter, you could have profited 10x more from CLAM but I guess greed really conquers all.

I understand that you're mad about the price dropping, but I don't think your two sentences make sense together.

The digger had a certain large amount of CLAM to dig. He wanted to sell it all. If you're right that he could have profited 10x more, that means he could have taken 10x more value from us CLAM holders. Wouldn't that have fucked up the coin more? We would end up having bought the same number of CLAMs from him, but having paid 10x more for them. How is that good for us?

I m not angry, I m just disappointed. Cause every great project in crypto gets destroyed by the greed, stupidity and selfishness.

So now we can sit and watch price sliding down for the next 6 months until it ends up being peanuts. I m sure they ll be a lot of CLAM community around once all this is over.

If someone wants to sell, then it is up to them to do so. Why is it your concern ? Maybe he needed the cash or did not believe in CLAM enough to keep them ? Why aren't you pissed at people who sell BTC in large amounts? You should go and rant about bitcoin also as you trade CLAM for bitcoin as all dumps there affect CLAM.
Its the diggers choice what he does with the coins and how he does it. This is how the distribution was done, everyone who bought in knew the risks. Now move on and stop bickering.

With that kind of attitude we can all pack our suitcases and leave. Not only related to CLAM but crypto in general. EXCUSE ME for expecting more from crypto then just being a vessel for pumpers, dumpers and speculators.

I know it s up to him to sell. I know it s also up to him to be stupid to sell by dumping. It s also up to me to be disappointed by seeing this. If you do not like my posts or think they re worthless, it s easy to ignore me. There s a nice little button made just for that.

[Hippie Tech]

That scam site is still showing on your sig and we have yet to hear how or why you were paid and/or if you have been deleting posts.

"That scam site" is nothing more than a gateway/advertising page when I checked when you first brought it up.
I will pull out the older laptop and get the login credentials when I have a secondary reason to do so.
At the moment, I have better things to do.
I haven't deleted any posts except those I have referenced in this thread, and often even quoted them before they are deleted.
Your questions have been repeatedly answered.
My patience with your trolling is growing thin, Hippie Tech.

Quoted what ? lol.. You only made 4 posts that month.. after registering for that scam.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717300.msg8243713#msg8243713

I was a bit busy working on a new project.
You might have heard of it; it's called "CLAM".

I have quoted virtually every single post self-moderated/deleted on this thread and then went on to explain why it was deleted.
It is self-defeating in a way - but, I simply hate censoring/moderating.
Again, you might have noticed.

Are you suggesting that every single person who had that site's signature on their profile, or banner on their website was part of the "scam"?
I wasn't even aware it had been a scam, until you brought it up.

Also please explain, what I believe is your first post on the CLAM ANN...

The ANN is legit.  My Clams were in my wallet, and so are my BTC as well.
Mildly familiar with the code, and frankly there aren't a whole lot of changes.
I will delete my account if this is a scam to steal wallet.dat files.

Mildy familiar ?   If that is the case, then why are you claiming to be a coder/ dev ?

5 days later, you are once again leading us on to believe that you are not "Creative".

Trying to do the math on the Proof-Of-Chain distribution.
CLAMS has a total POSSIBLE distribution of 15 Million.
I think that is not taking everything into consideration, however.
Actual Total Distribution = Total Possible - Lost BTC/LTC/DOGE privateKeys - Destroyed BTC/LTC/DOGE privateKeys - Un-Redeemed BTC/LTC/DOGE privateKeys
The question is, what does that mean?
I would expect the total distribution of CLAMS to be EXREMELY LESS than 15 Million at any given time.  In order to get to the full 15 Million possible distribution it would have to be one of if not THE world's leading crypto-currency.
Mining inflation normally destroys coins.
For every coin created by mining, there must be an equal in-flow of dollars of demand.  If there isn't then the value of the coin drops.
With CLAMS, there is no mining and only 1% Proof-Of-Stake.
So each unit of demand should only be counter-acted by new users who redeem their CLAMS.  And, new users who redeem their CLAMS are in and of themselves a source of demand.
If you add to that equation the kHashier.com multi-pool, which has been stacking BTC while waiting for the markets to adopt and have a stable market for CLAMS.....
I still think those who dump their CLAMS immediately after redeeming, or those who don't keep an eye on this one will deeply regret it.
I don't see a single negative when the economics are considered.
Just my two-cents.

Refer back to :

<These> questions have been repeatedly answered.

2.5 months later, you're a pool op.

Just a notice to everyone!
Expect the kHashier.com multi-pool to go offline for a moment later this evening, possibly quite soon.
x11 is being added.
It is expected to come back up (and stay up) quite quickly - but we all know how updates go.

We were running a multi-pool in support of CLAM.
If I remember correctly it was low or zero fee as well.

Do you have a problem with me being involved in other projects besides CLAM?
Heck, this wasn't even 'besides' CLAM, it was designed to help CLAM.

Last I checked, I was a volunteer.
If you'd like to hire me, pay me a salary, and specify in my contract that I not take part in side projects in the crypto-space....
Send me a PM.

If that is the case, then why are you claiming to be a coder/ dev ? (I editted my post seen above with that same question, in case you missed reading one of them.) 

Please enlighten us as to when it was that you became transparent about your alternate account(s) and your involvement with khashier.

Admit it. lol I /we caught you playing with your sockpuppets. LMAO

I do not need to be a legal expert to know the mean of the word "fraud". Do YOU (and every other early adopter/ cryptohead who have helped to fuck the crypto movement) ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud

[Faust Roland]

clam hittin new lows vs btc on poloniex

Black Friday discounts!
Buy! Buy!!

[DrkLvr_]

All I can say is THANK YOU digger for fucking up a great coin. Now you can dump as much as you want.

If you were a bit smarter, you could have profited 10x more from CLAM but I guess greed really conquers all.

I understand that you're mad about the price dropping, but I don't think your two sentences make sense together.

The digger had a certain large amount of CLAM to dig. He wanted to sell it all. If you're right that he could have profited 10x more, that means he could have taken 10x more value from us CLAM holders. Wouldn't that have fucked up the coin more? We would end up having bought the same number of CLAMs from him, but having paid 10x more for them. How is that good for us?

If he were a bit smarter, he would have spread his selling over a long period of time. This would allow new people to enter CLAM and absorb his coins. This is what I do with coins where I am among 10 top rich list. I do not dump, I sell it bit by bit, making sure I do not hurt the price. This way I can keep my earning potential and at the same time respect the coin and community which brings me money.

This asshole did none of that. He just dumped and the only reason he stopped now is cause he s figured out what he has done. However, now is too late. Among all PoS coins I currenlty hold, CLAM is by far the worst performer in the last 3 months.

Also, please, stop this shit about the big come back. Nobody s crazy enough to buy into a coin where you have a greedy maniac holding 350k coins just waiting for you to set buy order so he can dump.

I m not angry, I m just disappointed. Cause every great project in crypto gets destroyed by the greed, stupidity and selfishness.

So now we can sit and watch price sliding down for the next 6 months until it ends up being peanuts. I m sure they ll be a lot of CLAM community around once all this is over.

OK we get it, you think the digger is fucking stupid and blah blah he should have dumped slowly blah blah. Despite several people now trying to explain it to you, you still believe that selling off slowly and propping up the price would have been better longer term, so that the digger could have extracted 2+ million USD instead of $200,000. Great! You're so intelligent.

So what's a Mensa genius like you who has all the answers doing in Clamcoin?

Putting you on ignore is all well and good, but that doesn't help any new people reading who are interested in CLAM seeing your shit talk on every page. You're complaining about a potential lack of community and at the same time doing nothing whatsoever except bashing the coin and complaining. Surely people will want to become involved after reading some of your posts  

Anyway, let me ask you where are you staking your CLAM? Do you have them on JD, staking your own wallet or invested in smooth's pool?

[Chuck_Bartowski]

All I can say is THANK YOU digger for fucking up a great coin. Now you can dump as much as you want.

If you were a bit smarter, you could have profited 10x more from CLAM but I guess greed really conquers all.

+1 but lets not forget, the devs knew already from starters that this huge digger scenario might happen in the future. (and well..did)).

it seems the right people got their pockets full and they will move to the next coin..

that under these circumstances, many think that the digger could be someone known from the inside or part of a group with the agenda to end this coin is quite understandable.

Chuck
 

[jaysabi]

Where's the wallet coming from and why did he chose to crash the price the way he did instead playing the game calmly and earning more that way?

He did not admit to where it was from, but suspicions seem to be that it was a wallet used for cheating faucets.

I missed or do not understand this part of the story. What is the allegation as far as cheating faucets goes?

A I wrong in assuming most of these addresses were funded from faucets originally? When the digging started I had analyzed a few of the addresses, and that is the conclusion I came to. Looking over the 2 addresses you signed, I am still under the same assumption.

I won't say, but wouldn't it be so sad if I was just scamming faucet payouts for tiny amounts of bitcoin. And those faucets payout didn't make me much but it made me a ton of clams!

I guess I'm confused by the phrasing of "scamming faucet payouts." Scamming denotes fraud to me, as in malicious intent. Are you claiming that there is some kind of fraud here, or he was just lucky in that something he was doing anyway had the unintended benefit of also being worth a ton of CLAMs later on?

[rocoro]

What solutions are currently mainly being considered?  

A soft-fork ?   What does that all entail?

Does that render all current new clams being staked worthless??

I thought we were going to receive more info on this and the petition system a couple days ago?

[crazyivan]

All I can say is THANK YOU digger for fucking up a great coin. Now you can dump as much as you want.

If you were a bit smarter, you could have profited 10x more from CLAM but I guess greed really conquers all.

I understand that you're mad about the price dropping, but I don't think your two sentences make sense together.

The digger had a certain large amount of CLAM to dig. He wanted to sell it all. If you're right that he could have profited 10x more, that means he could have taken 10x more value from us CLAM holders. Wouldn't that have fucked up the coin more? We would end up having bought the same number of CLAMs from him, but having paid 10x more for them. How is that good for us?

If he were a bit smarter, he would have spread his selling over a long period of time. This would allow new people to enter CLAM and absorb his coins. This is what I do with coins where I am among 10 top rich list. I do not dump, I sell it bit by bit, making sure I do not hurt the price. This way I can keep my earning potential and at the same time respect the coin and community which brings me money.

This asshole did none of that. He just dumped and the only reason he stopped now is cause he s figured out what he has done. However, now is too late. Among all PoS coins I currenlty hold, CLAM is by far the worst performer in the last 3 months.

Also, please, stop this shit about the big come back. Nobody s crazy enough to buy into a coin where you have a greedy maniac holding 350k coins just waiting for you to set buy order so he can dump.

I m not angry, I m just disappointed. Cause every great project in crypto gets destroyed by the greed, stupidity and selfishness.

So now we can sit and watch price sliding down for the next 6 months until it ends up being peanuts. I m sure they ll be a lot of CLAM community around once all this is over.

OK we get it, you think the digger is fucking stupid and blah blah he should have dumped slowly blah blah. Despite several people now trying to explain it to you, you still believe that selling off slowly and propping up the price would have been better longer term, so that the digger could have extracted 2+ million USD instead of $200,000. Great! You're so intelligent.

So what's a Mensa genius like you who has all the answers doing in Clamcoin?

Putting you on ignore is all well and good, but that doesn't help any new people reading who are interested in CLAM seeing your shit talk on every page. You're complaining about a potential lack of community and at the same time doing nothing whatsoever except bashing the coin and complaining. Surely people will want to become involved after reading some of your posts  

Anyway, let me ask you where are you staking your CLAM? Do you have them on JD, staking your own wallet or invested in smooth's pool?

This kind of BS reply can write only the digger himself or someone who uses the same tactics. What s the problem in selling slowly? He d make more money and the rest of the CLAM community would make more money. The only ones who would pay more are new CLAM entrants and event them would make money from staking a highly valueble coin.

Instead of that, let us see what we have now.

The digger has obviously lost money cause he dumped so many coins and crushed the price. His current stash of 350k coins s worth significantly less compared to what he could have received if he opted for slow selling. So the digger lost.

The rest of the community lost cause we purchased at higher price and sold at lower price to avoid being stuck with an asset with constantly decreasing price. Worst case scenario are people who have not been able to sell and they lost big time. So the community lost.

New entrants. Who? Where re those? Who the fuck is insane to get into CLAM now when the trend is clear, dumping, dumping, dumping. So who s gonna be smart enough to get into CLAM now? In conclusion, new entrants lost cause they never had the opportunity to become part of a nice project which CLAM was before the digger arrived.

So, Albert Einstein, who actually gained from this moronic digger tactics? Pls do explain it to me since I m so dumb. When you get to home more then 56 posts, maybe you ll understand crypto. It s all about community and join efforts. If the entire CLAM is about the digger, then this is what we get.

[cryptonit]

The success of www.staisybit.com is unavoidable!  

100 accounts already and staking with the power of 60 BTC worth altcoins!

wow great news and so proud DMD visible as the best earning coin!

but i would love to see clam there too can devs get in touch with them please

[dooglus]

This kind of BS reply can write only the digger himself or someone who uses the same tactics. What s the problem in selling slowly? He d make more money and the rest of the CLAM community would make more money. The only ones who would pay more are new CLAM entrants and event them would make money from staking a highly valueble coin.

While I don't think the tone of DrkLvr_'s reply was helpful, I think I see things the same way as him.

If the digger makes more money, the rest of us make less. There's no way for everyone to make more.

You talked about how when you are a "top 10" holder of a coin and want out, you sell it slowly so that you get a better price for it. That means you make more than if you would by dumping it quickly, but the buyers *pay* more than they would if you had dumped it quickly. That's good for Ivan, and bad for everyone else.

Somebody selling 500k CLAMs into an 800k market is always going to depress the price. Selling them cheap is better for *us* than selling them expensive.

If you're looking for someone to "blame", I think you need to look at the developers who came up with the initial distribution method. They're the ones who (probably unknowingly) gave 500k CLAMs to a single person. In retrospect, rewarding people with CLAMs for filling the BTC blockchain with unspent outputs wasn't the best idea. The rest was pretty much inevitable from that point. Each market participant acts in their own perceived best interest.

[smooth]

What solutions are currently mainly being considered?  

A soft-fork ?   What does that all entail?

Does that render all current new clams being staked worthless??

No one has proposed or discussed making CLAMs being staked worthless. Please stop the FUD.

[smooth]

Is there an API to retrieve the current active supply? This has become an issue for coinmarketcap. Please reply there:

Looks like there is also a problem with the active supply of CLAMs

 I wonder how often they update the active supply.  They show 1,079K and there is currently 1,460K.  Digger just finished digging in the last few days.   So they are off ~400K.  Which is quite a bit with such a low starting point.  

Where do you get 1460K number?  The explorer used to have the number of claimed clams, but now I can't find it.

[rocoro]

What solutions are currently mainly being considered?  

A soft-fork ?   What does that all entail?

Does that render all current new clams being staked worthless??

No one has proposed or discussed making CLAMs being staked worthless. Please stop the FUD.

I never said it would,  I'm asking what will happen..  I thought we were going to be given more info!

Please learn the difference between asking questions and making statements.

Don't add context to posts or try to look more into it in a negative way - that to me is trollish.

Thanks.

I don't understand why this was cut out ..

I thought we were going to receive more info on this and the petition system a couple days ago?

Which is what I mainly want to know.
Uggghhhh

[DrkLvr_]

This kind of BS reply can write only the digger himself or someone who uses the same tactics. What s the problem in selling slowly? He d make more money and the rest of the CLAM community would make more money. The only ones who would pay more are new CLAM entrants and event them would make money from staking a highly valueble coin.

Instead of that, let us see what we have now.

The digger has obviously lost money cause he dumped so many coins and crushed the price. His current stash of 350k coins s worth significantly less compared to what he could have received if he opted for slow selling. So the digger lost.

The rest of the community lost cause we purchased at higher price and sold at lower price to avoid being stuck with an asset with constantly decreasing price. Worst case scenario are people who have not been able to sell and they lost big time. So the community lost.

New entrants. Who? Where re those? Who the fuck is insane to get into CLAM now when the trend is clear, dumping, dumping, dumping. So who s gonna be smart enough to get into CLAM now? In conclusion, new entrants lost cause they never had the opportunity to become part of a nice project which CLAM was before the digger arrived.

So, Albert Einstein, who actually gained from this moronic digger tactics? Pls do explain it to me since I m so dumb. When you get to home more then 56 posts, maybe you ll understand crypto. It s all about community and join efforts. If the entire CLAM is about the digger, then this is what we get.

OK, but i still don't get what you're trying to accomplish. Yes you think the digger is stupid. So what now? Are you going to continue to repeat this indefinitely?

Where are you staking your CLAMS?

[rocoro]

Instead of bickering about the digger,  I wish we would focus on the petition system and look forward to what is going to be done *or* options to be voted on / offered available. 

My point is the digger happened, get over it.  Can we move on?

[chilly2k]

Is there an API to retrieve the current active supply? This has become an issue for coinmarketcap. Please reply there:

Looks like there is also a problem with the active supply of CLAMs

 I wonder how often they update the active supply.  They show 1,079K and there is currently 1,460K.  Digger just finished digging in the last few days.   So they are off ~400K.  Which is quite a bit with such a low starting point.  

Where do you get 1460K number?  The explorer used to have the number of claimed clams, but now I can't find it.

   getinfo shows

"moneysupply" : 15418603.13048927,
    "digsupply" : 818675.02325388,
    "stakesupply" : 644201.72641731,
    "activesupply" : 1462876.74967119,

[smooth]

Is there an API to retrieve the current active supply? This has become an issue for coinmarketcap. Please reply there:

Looks like there is also a problem with the active supply of CLAMs

 I wonder how often they update the active supply.  They show 1,079K and there is currently 1,460K.  Digger just finished digging in the last few days.   So they are off ~400K.  Which is quite a bit with such a low starting point.  

Where do you get 1460K number?  The explorer used to have the number of claimed clams, but now I can't find it.

   getinfo shows

"moneysupply" : 15418603.13048927,
    "digsupply" : 818675.02325388,
    "stakesupply" : 644201.72641731,
    "activesupply" : 1462876.74967119,

I gave that answer on the coinmarketcap thread. But he doesn't run wallets, he needs to get the info from an web API.

[chilly2k]

Is there an API to retrieve the current active supply? This has become an issue for coinmarketcap. Please reply there:

Looks like there is also a problem with the active supply of CLAMs

 I wonder how often they update the active supply.  They show 1,079K and there is currently 1,460K.  Digger just finished digging in the last few days.   So they are off ~400K.  Which is quite a bit with such a low starting point.  

Where do you get 1460K number?  The explorer used to have the number of claimed clams, but now I can't find it.

   getinfo shows

"moneysupply" : 15418603.13048927,
    "digsupply" : 818675.02325388,
    "stakesupply" : 644201.72641731,
    "activesupply" : 1462876.74967119,

I gave that answer on the coinmarketcap thread. But he doesn't run wallets, he needs to get the info from an web API.

   Ah, I don't know of any, but presstab runs an explorer for clams.

http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CLAM/index.php 

   He might have something already in place there.

[SebastianJu]

Oh wow. Interesting. Did he provide proof? Where's the wallet coming from and why did he chose to crash the price the way he did instead playing the game calmly and earning more that way?

Guess the recent talk of stopping the digging ability of clams was the next bad result coming from that wooden hammer method he used.

I did not choose to crash the price. The unfortunate revealing of my large potential dig caused the price to crash, because everyone sold fearing that I will crash the price. That's how market works. It will find the true price based on available information.

So you say it wasn't you who sold but the fear of other clam owners? I thought they checked things and found that the digged coins were sold. Though i did not observe it closely.

If you are right then i imagine it is no fun watching the price for you. Especially the current discussion about stop of claiming.

I think it would have been way wiser to come clear in the beginning, you could have brought confidence to the market and stop the price drop when you would have claimed that you won't sell or that, when you want to sell, you will make a public auction.

[jaysabi]

Oh wow. Interesting. Did he provide proof? Where's the wallet coming from and why did he chose to crash the price the way he did instead playing the game calmly and earning more that way?

Guess the recent talk of stopping the digging ability of clams was the next bad result coming from that wooden hammer method he used.

I did not choose to crash the price. The unfortunate revealing of my large potential dig caused the price to crash, because everyone sold fearing that I will crash the price. That's how market works. It will find the true price based on available information.

So you say it wasn't you who sold but the fear of other clam owners? I thought they checked things and found that the digged coins were sold. Though i did not observe it closely.

If you are right then i imagine it is no fun watching the price for you. Especially the current discussion about stop of claiming.

I think it would have been way wiser to come clear in the beginning, you could have brought confidence to the market and stop the price drop when you would have claimed that you won't sell or that, when you want to sell, you will make a public auction.

Do you think that if he had announced before he sold a single CLAM that he had 500k CLAMs to dig but would be selling slowly that the price would not have dropped dramatically? I think that whether he announced or whether he was found out, the price drop was inevitable and unavoidable. Thinking that selling slowly wouldn't have crushed the price once we all knew how many extra CLAMs were being dug is not a view that makes a whole lot of sense to me.