[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[thefix]

Sounds reasonable, and consider yourself lucky if you start getting coins that stake within a week. With the current difficulty you should start seeing more and more stakes in about a month.

Just curious, why do you say "in a month"?  I thought coin age doesn't really matter with clam staking.. unless I'm missing something.

Just compare the weight of each stack today compared to yesterday and you will see as time passes(age) the weight of each stack will grow. Probably need to get a best practices for staking guide going so its clear. I remember when you only needed a few coins in a stack to have a decent chance at staking.

Just view your coins in list mode and order them by weight and you will see what I am talking about with age and weight

[dooglus]

It's fairly deceptive to slowly leak your investment into Just-Dice at the opening rather than investing what you had to start with.

I don't think so. While it is true that I didn't invest all my coins at once, I wasn't aiming to deceive anyone. The whole reason for having a crowd-sourced bankroll is that I never wanted to have too high a percentage of the bankroll. It's risky bankrolling a dice site, and I would rather that risk be shared between multiple investors.

I understand though and it's just part of the game when you corner a market, but still want to appear fair.  

I don't know if you are aware of it or not, but you owned more CLAMs than I did when Just-Dice launched with CLAMs. I mentioned to you that I was working on getting the CLAM client into a state that it would work with Just-Dice and you immediately set about buying up all the CLAMs you could. If anyone was trying to "corner a market", it was you.

I have just over 500 in my wallet [...]. Can I reasonably expect to average 1 a day?

I look at it like this:

Just-Dice is staking 1134k CLAMs at the moment, and stakes around 1220 times per day. Dividing those two numbers, it takes 929 CLAMs to stake once per day.

Note that CLAM outputs have zero weight for the first 4 hours after they arrive in your wallet. They don't start trying to stake until they have rested for 4 hours after being involved in a transaction, and so the estimated time to stake won't drop until 4 hours after any new CLAMs are deposited to your wallet.

BTW this has nothing to do with the ongoing controversy. I have nothing but admiration for Dooglus and Deb. I am willing to give up the bankroll proceeds to help the CLAMS network.  LLTGC   

I agree with what you are doing. A few days ago someone withdrew 17k CLAMs and split them into piles of 100 for staking. I think this is good for CLAM as a whole, to have the staking distributed more.

Just curious, why do you say "in a month"?  I thought coin age doesn't really matter with clam staking.. unless I'm missing something.

Coin age isn't relevant, other than the "510 blocks after staking" and "4 hours after transacting" rules. After that, each 1 CLAM has a weight of 1. After a month, your balance will have grown by X%, but the total network stake will probably have also grown by X% and so your share of it will be roughly constant. And that's ignoring the effect of digging, which will cause your share to slightly reduce. But also ignoring the effect of some people (eg. poloniex) not staking, which will cause your share to slightly increase...

I am not sure I understand, why do I see the weight of stacks grow with age?

Are you saying that a 10 day old stack of 20 with a 200 weight has the same chance to stake as a stack of 20 with 1 weight?

If so I have been pretty lucky in spite of myself over the past year

I think what's going on is that the Qt client hasn't been updated to know that stack weights don't increase over time. So it shows the weights increasing over time when they don't really. Stacks of 20 CLAMs all have a weight of 20 once they are mature (and have rested for 4 hours), whatever the Qt client shows. I just checked, and I removed the 'weight' column from Qt's coincontrol dialog in September.

Maybe you aren't running the latest release, or maybe that change isn't in a released version yet. Either way, it's going to go away. In fact I just noticed that the above commit didn't remove the column fully, it just removed its content. I've now pushed a change which removes the column itself as well.

Doog did say I was a liar though.

I didn't call you a liar. I called your statement that the CLAM developers were threatening to remove digging "a lie" - since it isn't true.

I said I bought into CLAM on my own research of studying his post.  This was a lie and Dooglus was deceptive by not correcting it, but he never lied about it.

Are you saying that I have a responsibility to correct every incorrect statement I see people post, otherwise I am being deceptive? That seems like quite a lot of work you're putting on me.

[Cicero2.3]

Thanks Dooglus for the detailed information. It is exciting to be an "early adopter" in this coin. 

[thefix]

Thank you for clearing that up Dooglus and thank you for fixing the client to show the correct weight relative to the size of the stack.

The incorrect data in the client led me to believe that the growing weight was a factor.

My mistake based on the data I had available in the client

[dooglus]

Thank you for clearing that up Dooglus and thank you for fixing the client to show the correct weight relative to the size of the stack.

Well, my first fix, back in September, left an empty column called "12":



And today I removed the empty column, so now there's no "weight" at all:



I figure there's no point showing the weight when it's just the same as the value in CLAMs.

[ReallyRedRum]

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[thefix]

Thank you for clearing that up Dooglus and thank you for fixing the client to show the correct weight relative to the size of the stack.

Well, my first fix, back in September, left an empty column called "12":



And today I removed the empty column, so now there's no "weight" at all:



I figure there's no point showing the weight when it's just the same as the value in CLAMs.

Awesome, and it turns out I was running an older client

With the current estimate of  a stack of 900 + clams in order to stake daily would it be correct for me to calculate that it might take more than a month for a stack of 20 to stake? Something like 40 + days is what my estimates are

Was the reasoning behind using stake size to discourage people from having a ton of small stacks?

[djhomeschool]

No, it's just how things have panned out over time/as a result of the lotto style of staking. When there were less CLAM, it was easier to obtain the number needed to stake daily, which is approximately (# of CLAMs in existence / 1440)

Doog's estimate will be more accurate because it accounts for stake weight - ie, CLAMs in existence not being staked.

[crazyivan]

Can I use setstakesplitthreshold command in console to prevent my blocks from splitting below the size I want them to split?

[VultureFund]

OK LADIES LAST ADVICE

SELL YOUR CLAMS NOW, THE PARTY IS OVER

SUB 0.001 BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, MARK MY WORDS

REALLY, I'M NOT KIDDING 

[Cicero2.3]

OK LADIES LAST ADVICE

SELL YOUR CLAMS NOW, THE PARTY IS OVER

SUB 0.001 BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, MARK MY WORDS

REALLY, I'M NOT KIDDING 

You better hit your faucet rotation hard then. Will take an awful lot of clam to drive it down that far.

How is that iota pump going?

[edmundduke]

OK LADIES LAST ADVICE

SELL YOUR CLAMS NOW, THE PARTY IS OVER

SUB 0.001 BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, MARK MY WORDS

REALLY, I'M NOT KIDDING 

Lets make a deal. If CLAM is not 0.001 by the end of next week then you disappear from here and stop posting here. You stop the fudding and preferably disappear from this forum in general. Looks like a real good chance to prove yourself and show others you are just not full of hot air.

[VultureFund]

OK LADIES LAST ADVICE

SELL YOUR CLAMS NOW, THE PARTY IS OVER

SUB 0.001 BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, MARK MY WORDS

REALLY, I'M NOT KIDDING 

Lets make a deal. If CLAM is not 0.001 by the end of next week then you disappear from here and stop posting here. You stop the fudding and preferably disappear from this forum in general. Looks like a real good chance to prove yourself and show others you are just not full of hot air.

Accepted.

IF THIS SHITCOIN IS NOT BELOW 0.001 BY NEXT SUNDAY, I PROMISE TO DISSAPPEAR FROM THIS SHITCOIN THREAD FOREVER

Anyway, I'm not gonna dissapear of the forum. My mission is to support clean, valuable and innovative projects, and to crash shitcoins like this one. And of course, to have good profits by doing so.

A PROMISE IS A PROMISE, AND I NEVER WAS, NEVER BE, AND NEVER WILL BE A TRAITOR


PD: Remember to sell, it's your last chance to enjoy these prices. 

[edmundduke]

OK LADIES LAST ADVICE

SELL YOUR CLAMS NOW, THE PARTY IS OVER

SUB 0.001 BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, MARK MY WORDS

REALLY, I'M NOT KIDDING 

Lets make a deal. If CLAM is not 0.001 by the end of next week then you disappear from here and stop posting here. You stop the fudding and preferably disappear from this forum in general. Looks like a real good chance to prove yourself and show others you are just not full of hot air.

Accepted.

IF THIS SHITCOIN IS NOT BELOW 0.001 BY NEXT SUNDAY, I PROMISE TO DISSAPPEAR FROM THIS SHITCOIN THREAD FOREVER

Anyway, I'm not gonna dissapear of the forum. My mission is to support clean, valuable and innovative projects, and to crash shitcoins like this one. And of course, to have good profits by doing so.

A PROMISE IS A PROMISE, AND I NEVER WAS, NEVER BE, AND NEVER WILL BE A TRAITOR


PD: Remember to sell, it's your last chance to enjoy these prices. 

Thank you. If what you say is correct then we will see some serious action in the coming day's. If it is not then this project moves on as it has and everything will go back to normal. Leaving the thread will be fine, and im pretty sure everyones fine with that.
Let the games begin!

[dooglus]

Can I use setstakesplitthreshold command in console to prevent my blocks from splitting below the size I want them to split?

No, but you can put:

    splitsize=10

in clam.conf in the same folder as your CLAM wallet.dat and it will only split to size 10 or more.

You need to restart for changes to that file to take effect.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

OK LADIES LAST ADVICE

SELL YOUR CLAMS NOW, THE PARTY IS OVER

SUB 0.001 BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, MARK MY WORDS

REALLY, I'M NOT KIDDING  

Lets make a deal. If CLAM is not 0.001 by the end of next week then you disappear from here and stop posting here. You stop the fudding and preferably disappear from this forum in general. Looks like a real good chance to prove yourself and show others you are just not full of hot air.

Accepted.

IF THIS SHITCOIN IS NOT BELOW 0.001 BY NEXT SUNDAY, I PROMISE TO DISSAPPEAR FROM THIS SHITCOIN THREAD FOREVER

Anyway, I'm not gonna dissapear of the forum. My mission is to support clean, valuable and innovative projects, and to crash shitcoins like this one. And of course, to have good profits by doing so.

A PROMISE IS A PROMISE, AND I NEVER WAS, NEVER BE, AND NEVER WILL BE A TRAITOR


PD: Remember to sell, it's your last chance to enjoy these prices.  

Thank you. If what you say is correct then we will see some serious action in the coming day's. If it is not then this project moves on as it has and everything will go back to normal. Leaving the thread will be fine, and im pretty sure everyones fine with that.
Let the games begin!

I'll watch with interest.

One problem - I'm seeing "end of next week", and "next Sunday" thrown around.  

How about some dates.  To me, "next Sunday" as it's being used here is January 24.  So the game ends one minute after 23:59 (poloniex time?) on Sunday, January 24, right?

One more thing - is VultureFund another name for BCX, or is he just the winner of the "Miss BCX" award at this year's cryptocurrency cosplay gala?

One more more thing - As VultureFund points out about himself, he is a good guy on a good mission, not unlike Mother Theresa or Donald Trump or Ross Ulbricht.  But can he please stop using such shitty language?  It will complicate the canonization process.

[VultureFund]

OK LADIES LAST ADVICE

SELL YOUR CLAMS NOW, THE PARTY IS OVER

SUB 0.001 BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, MARK MY WORDS

REALLY, I'M NOT KIDDING  

Lets make a deal. If CLAM is not 0.001 by the end of next week then you disappear from here and stop posting here. You stop the fudding and preferably disappear from this forum in general. Looks like a real good chance to prove yourself and show others you are just not full of hot air.

Accepted.

IF THIS SHITCOIN IS NOT BELOW 0.001 BY NEXT SUNDAY, I PROMISE TO DISSAPPEAR FROM THIS SHITCOIN THREAD FOREVER

Anyway, I'm not gonna dissapear of the forum. My mission is to support clean, valuable and innovative projects, and to crash shitcoins like this one. And of course, to have good profits by doing so.

A PROMISE IS A PROMISE, AND I NEVER WAS, NEVER BE, AND NEVER WILL BE A TRAITOR


PD: Remember to sell, it's your last chance to enjoy these prices.  

Thank you. If what you say is correct then we will see some serious action in the coming day's. If it is not then this project moves on as it has and everything will go back to normal. Leaving the thread will be fine, and im pretty sure everyones fine with that.
Let the games begin!

I'll watch with interest.

One problem - I'm seeing "end of next week", and "next Sunday" thrown around.  

How about some dates.  To me, "next Sunday" as it's being used here is January 24.  So the game ends one minute after 23:59 (poloniex time?) on Sunday, January 24, right?

One more thing - is VultureFund another name for BCX, or is he just this year's winner of the BCX cosplay competition?

One more more thing - As VultureFund points out about himself, he is a good guy on a good mission, not unlike Mother Theresa or Donald Trump or Ross Ulbricht.  But can he please stop using such shitty language?  It will complicate the canonization process.

Correct, I meant one minute after January 24 at 23:59 poloniex time.

I dont know WTF is BCX or what are you talking about.

And yes, I am a very good guy, but only with the good ones. Sorry for my english, in my country we studied only a couple years english language, so my vocabulary is very short. I say "shit" multiple times cause I don't know any more disgusting words, and google doesn't help...

You should see what I see everyday to understand, lot of misery. This scammy world is giving me an opportunity to profit, but most of this profits go to a good cause, I promise.

Luckily, by the end of this month, our patrimony will go to a next dimension. You know why? Cause our golden girl will be born. Yes, you know which coin am talking about.

You just cannot imagine what I can do with a single BTC in my country.  

[SuperClam]

OK LADIES LAST ADVICE
SELL YOUR CLAMS NOW, THE PARTY IS OVER
SUB 0.001 BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, MARK MY WORDS
REALLY, I'M NOT KIDDING  

Lets make a deal. If CLAM is not 0.001 by the end of next week then you disappear from here and stop posting here. You stop the fudding and preferably disappear from this forum in general. Looks like a real good chance to prove yourself and show others you are just not full of hot air.

Accepted.
IF THIS SHITCOIN IS NOT BELOW 0.001 BY NEXT SUNDAY, I PROMISE TO DISSAPPEAR FROM THIS SHITCOIN THREAD FOREVER
Anyway, I'm not gonna dissapear of the forum. My mission is to support clean, valuable and innovative projects, and to crash shitcoins like this one. And of course, to have good profits by doing so.
A PROMISE IS A PROMISE, AND I NEVER WAS, NEVER BE, AND NEVER WILL BE A TRAITOR
PD: Remember to sell, it's your last chance to enjoy these prices.  

Thank you. If what you say is correct then we will see some serious action in the coming day's. If it is not then this project moves on as it has and everything will go back to normal. Leaving the thread will be fine, and im pretty sure everyones fine with that.
Let the games begin!

I'll watch with interest.
One problem - I'm seeing "end of next week", and "next Sunday" thrown around.  
How about some dates.  To me, "next Sunday" as it's being used here is January 24.  So the game ends one minute after 23:59 (poloniex time?) on Sunday, January 24, right?
One more thing - is VultureFund another name for BCX, or is he just this year's winner of the BCX cosplay competition?
One more more thing - As VultureFund points out about himself, he is a good guy on a good mission, not unlike Mother Theresa or Donald Trump or Ross Ulbricht.  But can he please stop using such shitty language?  It will complicate the canonization process.

Correct, I meant one minute after January 24 at 23:59 poloniex time.
I dont know WTF is BCX or what are you talking about.
And yes, I am a very good guy, but only with the good ones. Sorry for my english, in my country we studied only a couple years english language, so my vocabulary is very short. I say "shit" multiple times cause I don't know any more disgusting words, and google doesn't help...
You should see what I see everyday to understand, lot of misery. This scammy world is giving me an opportunity to profit, but most of this profits go to a good cause, I promise.
Luckily, by the end of this month, our patrimony will go to a next dimension. You know why? Cause our golden girl will be born. Yes, you know which coin am talking about.
You just cannot imagine what I can do with a single BTC in my country.  

I will be leaving your most recent 'market prediction'. 
 
I will be deleting all future 'market predictions' you post.
 

This is the announcement and development thread for CLAM; not a trader's forum.

You are being asked to refrain from making any additional posts of this nature.


If you have substantive relevant information to contribute to the conversation; feel free to continue posting.

[presstab]

Good eyes dooglus https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin/issues/1

[SuperClam]

Good eyes dooglus https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin/issues/1

Posted March 8th, 2015....

sighs

EDIT: For the record, it appears the Cryptsy 'hack' is claimed to have occurred prior to above issue report.