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September 02, 2014, 10:31:31 PM
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Ring signatures are unwound when the tax authorities require you to provide your password to justify your tax basis.

Use more than 1 wallet? Plausible deniability is such a nice toy...

That doesn't address the issue. If tax authorities require you to prove your tax basis, then you must unwind the anonymity. When you unwind it, you reduce the anonymity set for everyone that mixed with you.

It would be much better to be able to say, "okay here is my password" and the authorities still can't unwind it. I know how to design this. You then say you've kept all records and complied, but the system is too anonymous and this is not your fault. They would have to make it illegal to use the system. If we get to that stage, it will be Mad max war of the people against the government.

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It will also enable men to get back to being gentlemen who use deadly force against such.

While I totally agree with you in spirit.  There are no guts left in our society.  Most people are pansies.  In cryptoverse when people get scammed and it should be the idea of anarchist justice - see the three major SCRYPT ASIC producers.  They scammed all the litecoin people and most of them have real names and real addresses.  Rather than seek justice thru legal means (AKA "Our Evil Slave Masters") or by making a visit and doing the gentleman with fists way.

The neckbeards just bawl and squawl and say somebody should do something about it.

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I have yet to see a neckbearded anarchist I would want covering my back in a scrappy situation & And I've been in a few (Scrappy situations - not neckbeards  Cheesy ) .  Most are spoiled brats who have no clue.

The idea of limited government requires people to not be pussy cowards.  And a dash of self respect.  And the hilariously ironic part is the people pushing the hardest for limited government are cowardly/big talking types that would never do well in that world.

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Ring signatures are unwound when the tax authorities require you to provide your password to justify your tax basis.

Use more than 1 wallet? Plausible deniability is such a nice toy...

That doesn't address the issue. If tax authorities require you to prove your tax basis, then you must unwind the anonymity. When you unwind it, you reduce the anonymity set for everyone that mixed with you.

It would be much better to be able to say, "okay here is my password" and the authorities still can't unwind it. I know how to design this. You then say you've kept all records and complied, but the system is too anonymous and this is not your fault. They would have to make it illegal to use the system. If we get to that stage, it will be Mad max war of the people against the government.

They would have to make it illegal to use the system. If we get to that stage, it will be Mad max war of the people against the government.-


I don't believe it will ever get to such a stage, there are easier ways to stop zerocash since its not untrustable anyway. So many people rely on a government, without one who would step up to do things? Another government.

There won't exist a world without a central authority, or something resembling it, mayble something similar to how the U.S government works with having different branches that don't hold power over the others(so it's not completely centralized).

Living in an anarchist world would be hell on earth, I don't understand how so many bitcoiners want that... It would mean no leadership at all, everyone killing each other and worse since there isn't any rules etc, we'd probably go extinct if such a thing ever happened
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I was thinking if it is too early to tell that we are having a closer cooperation with David, who will be situated in my castle, but then I realized that he has already disclosed it in his CV, so it is definitely OK.

I was thinking if it is too modest of a resume, telling only about English and Office skills, but then I realized that I also don't have much more to put on my resume, which I don't even have, and neither does the critic, so it is definitely OK.

Risto with all due respect, you completely misunderstand my experience and why it matters.

Those who've walked in my shoes know of what I speak. The rest won't probably understand the distinction.

I want to emphasize to you that there is a huge difference between the prolific coders with a record of repeated success, and those who worked as managers, bean counters, water cooler hangout specialists, public speakers, etc..

You can be easily fooled (or lulled to sleep) because you can be sold on what you can relate well to.

Since 1983 when I was 17 years old, I have been developing commercially successful client software. Each time I was the first to do something that spread around the world. I did WordUp in the mid-1980s which was one of the first WYSIWYG full featured word processors in the world. This predated Ventura Publisher (which had many more features) and followed MacWrite (which was less featured). I was right in there launching the desktop publishing revolution that changed the world. I wrote TurboJet which was the first printer driver that leverage the RLE encoding to make printing with laser printers for multiple fonts fast.

I have been in the trenches developing 30,000+ lines of code client software wherein I was the sole developer or one of the key developers on a small team.

What you don't realize because you are not a programmer, is that there is a chasm difference between the guys who do that fluffy stuff on his CV and the guys who've proven themselves in the trenches.

That doesn't mean he can't do. Just that I don't see evidence of it yet.

So I read his role is not the trenches developer and perhaps that is smooth, fluffypony, or TacoTime. I wish I could read more about their backgrounds? I have seen some technical posts about Scrypt from Tacotime long ago. So I was aware his has some programming skills.

I am aware that smooth has very astute logic. So he appears to be a trenches programmer in the way he discusses design concepts with me.

Too many cooks spoil the pot, e.g. smooth was vetoed on the perpetual debasement. Design-by-commitee can't compete with design-by-one.

Also I am aware dga has a masters (and PhD?) in computer science and he did the work on improving the PoW code. He seems fairly knowledgeable (probably highly knowledgeable in his areas of study), but again I don't know if he has been in the trenches developing commercially successful client software. And in my case, successfully marketing these too.

I've resisted your gracious offers for me to come develop at your castle, because:

1. It would waste precious time. We would talk too much. Coders need to talk less and be locked in a cave most of the time.

2. I feel you don't value of secrecy. You believe the best is to develop and be open in all aspects.

3. I feel my ideas would be taken by others and the result would thus not come to fruition, because all the focus that would come from being first would be diluted.

4. All my greatest coding successes came when I was in the Philippines. When I was in the USA, I talked or partied too much. Here is there is really not much to do, other than chase girls, eat fruit, or be on the computer.

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September 02, 2014, 10:44:06 PM
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I was thinking if it is too early to tell that we are having a closer cooperation with David, who will be situated in my castle, but then I realized that he has already disclosed it in his CV, so it is definitely OK.

I was thinking if it is too modest of a resume, telling only about English and Office skills, but then I realized that I also don't have much more to put on my resume, which I don't even have, and neither does the critic, so it is definitely OK.

Risto with all due respect, you completely misunderstand my experience and why it matters.

Since 1983, I have been developing commercially successful client software. Each time I was the first to do something that spread around the world. I did WordUp in the mid-1980s which was one of the first WYSIWYG full featured word processors in the world. This predated Ventura Publisher (which had many more features) and followed MacWrite (which was less featured). I was right in there launching the desktop publishing revolution that changed the world. I wrote TurboJet which was the first printer driver that leverage the RLE encoding to make printing with laser printers for multiple fonts fast.

I have been in the trenches developing 100,000 to million lines of code client software wherein I was the sole developer or one of the key developers on a small team.

What you don't realize because you are not a programmer, is that there is a huge difference between the guys who do that fluffy stuff on his CV and the guys who've proven themselves in the trenches.

This is all cool man.  But where is your coin so I can buy it?  If the choice is Monero, Bitcoin or Cash what do I do?  Go buy WordUp?

You're smart as hell and as puzzling as hell too.

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Also I am aware dga has a masters in computer science and he did the work on improving the PoW code. He seems fairly knowledgeable, but again I don't know if he has been in the trenches developing commercially successful client software. And in my case, successfully marketing these too.

Didn't dga just mine the **** out of Monero and then later help/invest with boolberry after he mined some of it?

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I was thinking if it is too early to tell that we are having a closer cooperation with David, who will be situated in my castle, but then I realized that he has already disclosed it in his CV, so it is definitely OK.

I was thinking if it is too modest of a resume, telling only about English and Office skills, but then I realized that I also don't have much more to put on my resume, which I don't even have, and neither does the critic, so it is definitely OK.

Risto with all due respect, you completely misunderstand my experience and why it matters.

Since 1983, I have been developing commercially successful client software. Each time I was the first to do something that spread around the world. I did WordUp in the mid-1980s which was one of the first WYSIWYG full featured word processors in the world. This predated Ventura Publisher (which had many more features) and followed MacWrite (which was less featured). I was right in there launching the desktop publishing revolution that changed the world. I wrote TurboJet which was the first printer driver that leverage the RLE encoding to make printing with laser printers for multiple fonts fast.

I have been in the trenches developing 100,000 to million lines of code client software wherein I was the sole developer or one of the key developers on a small team.

What you don't realize because you are not a programmer, is that there is a huge difference between the guys who do that fluffy stuff on his CV and the guys who've proven themselves in the trenches.

This is all cool man.  But where is your coin so I can buy it?  If the choice is Monero, Bitcoin or Cash what do I do?  Go buy WordUp?

You're smart as hell and as puzzling as hell too.

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Also I am aware dga has a masters in computer science and he did the work on improving the PoW code. He seems fairly knowledgeable, but again I don't know if he has been in the trenches developing commercially successful client software. And in my case, successfully marketing these too.

Didn't dga just mine the **** out of Monero and then later help/invest with boolberry after he mined some of it?

Definately worth reading DGA´s reply, kudos for that dga.


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What was this a response to?  Was it to Valitik ethereum guy?  Where's it at?

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What was this a response to?  Was it to Valitik ethereum guy?  Where's it at?

response to vitalik http://da-data.blogspot.com/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html
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What was this a response to?  Was it to Valitik ethereum guy?  Where's it at?

response to vitalik http://da-data.blogspot.com/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu

Hahahahha ouch. 

It looks like he took it down though.  Vilatik needs somebody to keep his ego in check  Roll Eyes

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What was this a response to?  Was it to Valitik ethereum guy?  Where's it at?

response to vitalik http://da-data.blogspot.com/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu

Hahahahha ouch.  

It looks like he took it down though.  Vilatik needs somebody to keep his ego in check  Roll Eyes

forgot to add the .html part

http://da-data.blogspot.com/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html

dga also made this statement, he just mines and sells coins that he mines.

(I don't personally own any, nor do I hold any Bitcoin - I mine and sell for the most part, to minimize my risk exposure.) - dga
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September 02, 2014, 11:05:03 PM
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If the choice is Monero, Bitcoin or Cash what do I do?

I understand. I suppose you should buy Monero. And support it.

Normally you don't get an advance insight. I offer that, but what you do with the information is up to you.

You also have advance insight of Zerocash and Ethereum. What you do about that vaporware is up to you. Criticize it, support it, wait, keep quiet, etc..

Monero developers also gain the benefit of that advance insight. And I probe here to see what capabilities they have too.

Competition is a good thing. Everyone benefits.

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I've resisted your gracious offers for me to come develop at your castle, because:

1. It would waste precious time. We would talk too much. Coders need to talk less and be locked in a cave most of the time.

Cheesy

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Here is there is really not much to do, other than chase girls, eat fruit, or be on the computer.
It seems a helpful venue then, to focus one's priorities.  You have made the Philippines much more attractive to me than I had thought possible.  Despite, or perhaps in part because of, the death squads.


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September 02, 2014, 11:10:44 PM
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If the choice is Monero, Bitcoin or Cash what do I do?

I understand. I suppose you should buy Monero. And support it.

Normally you don't get an advance insight. I offer that, but what you do with the information is up to you.

Right.  Here is what I know.  Darkcoin was kinda a piece of shit and I avoided it.  But looking at the top market cap in the top 10 currencies it's pretty obvious that anon is NOT a fad in crypto.  It should be a cornerstone.  So anon = important.

Cryptonote is something besides a bitcoin clone.  Monero is well distributed.  Blockchain bloat sucks.  It's not the outright scam Darkcoin was.  Although Darkcoin scam + being first mover and seeing it's success was a lesson in how huge first mover is worth in this space.  

I'm not sure if first mover in anon coins is still a big deal since dark is falling to Monero?  Does Monero get first mover advantage if it passes Dark - or is first mover advantage gone?  But it sure seems like it would be an uphill battle for a new currency.  And at some point consensus / network effect takes over.  (MS Windows vs Mac, etc).

Just random facts.  I do wish all the issues you brought up were resolved (although I will admit to not understanding some of them).  But ... do they have to be to make a significant huge massive improvement to privacy over bitcoin?

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September 02, 2014, 11:11:50 PM
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dga also made this statement, he just mines and sells coins that he mines.

(I don't personally own any, nor do I hold any Bitcoin - I mine and sell for the most part, to minimize my risk exposure.) - dga

More recently, he said that he was mining BBR on 22 GPUs and holding until 0.002
It may be a while.

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Living in an anarchist world would be hell on earth, I don't understand how so many bitcoiners want that... It would mean no leadership at all, everyone killing each other and worse since there isn't any rules etc, we'd probably go extinct if such a thing ever happened

No it will mean local government.


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dga also made this statement, he just mines and sells coins that he mines.

(I don't personally own any, nor do I hold any Bitcoin - I mine and sell for the most part, to minimize my risk exposure.) - dga

More recently, he said that he was mining BBR on 22 GPUs and holding until 0.002
It may be a while.


Wow, might be quite a wait, not inspiring much confidence there lol.
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Right.  Here is what I know.  Darkcoin was kinda a piece of shit and I avoided it.  But looking at the top market cap in the top 10 currencies it's pretty obvious that anon is NOT a fad in crypto.  It should be a cornerstone.  So anon = important.

Cryptonote is something besides a bitcoin clone.  Monero is well distributed.  Blockchain bloat sucks.  It's not the outright scam Darkcoin was.  Although Darkcoin scam + being first mover and seeing it's success was a lesson in how huge first mover is worth in this space.  

I'm not sure if first mover in anon coins is still a big deal since dark is falling to Monero?  Does Monero get first mover advantage if it passes Dark - or is first mover advantage gone?  But it sure seems like it would be an uphill battle for a new currency.  And at some point consensus / network effect takes over.  (MS Windows vs Mac, etc).

Just random facts.  I do wish all the issues you brought up were resolved (although I will admit to not understanding some of them).  But ... do they have to be to make a significant huge massive improvement to privacy over bitcoin?

Here is my opinion. Opinions will vary. And you know I am biased because I am developing something.

Monero is indeed a reasonably serious effort and offers something different than Bitcoin. But Monero isn't what I want, because I want to defeat the Fascist State. So my goals are higher. But all I have to offer is vaporware, which is in many ways worse than useless to you as a reader.

Note when I inquire about the capabilities of the Monero developers, it is not that I am trying to make negative publicity. I am trying to ascertain what their capabilities are, because I am developing something. I view them as a strong competitor.

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Here is my opinion. Opinions will vary. And you know I am biased because I am developing something.

Monero is indeed a reasonably serious effort and offers something different than Bitcoin. But Monero isn't what I want, because I want to defeat the Fascist State. So my goals are higher. But all I have to offer is vaporware, which is in many ways worse than useless to you as a reader.

Note when I inquire about the capabilities of the Monero developers, it is not that I am trying to make negative publicity. I am trying to ascertain what their capabilities are, because I am developing something. I view them as a strong competitor.

Yeah.  The "Play nice" people seem to think there can be more than one winner in this space.  Without realizing that bitcoin is 95% capital (can we say winner?).  So I'm def interested in the "winner" of the anon race as I think it's not just "the next big thing" but "the big thing" of "internet decentralized money".  I'll keep my eyes peeled and maybe finally buy up some Monero (or not) in the meantime.

A lot of coin supporters say "X isn't bad enough to keep it from adoption" (ex blockchain bloat).  But it creates friction and the coin that does the best at solving all of the friction eliminates the competition as there is no need for it.  

If your coin has a blockchain bloat and won't support Visa's number of transactions and another coin does.  Then I buy the other coin because I'm not sure you'll be able to fix these things.  

Competition between currencies when people are losing lots of money as coins die off every few months or so (anybody remember Aurocoin?) is actually a bad thing.  

It is my uneducated feeling that once who the winner in the anon is decided the amount of money poured in will increase a ton.  But until that happens, until the volume is there and until there is a good moat around the technology.  It's going to continue to be everybody trading penuts (in the grand scheme of things ... I don't have but fractions of penuts to trade)

So resolving all of these issues and coming out with one clear winner as soon as possible is the best possible case scenario IMO.

P.S.  I'm just happy Darkcoin is finally crumbling.

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