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[Tobo]

@Litoshi - if you want to promote and market XCR as an official foundation member, you probably need to work on your communication skill a little bit. In general, messages online are easy to be misinterpreted. Being more political and polite and always using smilies are always good things to do for a marketer and promoter.Your goal is to make people happy and feel good about everything here and your goal is not to convince people that you are right. If you are not an official member you are free to do anything. My 2 cents.

[Come-from-Beyond]

The problem of sockpuppet delegates can be solved with antisybil protection. You waste too much time on a non-fatal issue.

[Litoshi]

The problem of sockpuppet delegates can be solved with antisybil protection. You waste too much time on a non-fatal issue.

Yes, but the way it is currently in testing, the 101 delegates forge 101 blocks in a cycle..... then the forging fees are totaled for that cycle and then they are divided between the delegates equally.  Less than 101 would result in an increased reward to the "less than 101" delegates.  

The idea is to reward faithful delegates equally and make the reward for the top voted delegate the same as the bottom delegates.  Opposite of NXT, where the more NXT you have, the more you forge.  

The team wants to have XCR traded, and used for commerce, not horded.  

[Litoshi]

@Litoshi - if you want to promote and market XCR as an official foundation member, you probably need to work on your communication skill a little bit. In general, messages online are easy to be misinterpreted. Being more political and polite and always using smilies are always good things to do for a marketer and promoter.Your goal is to make people happy and feel good about everything here and your goal is not to convince people that you are right. If you are not an official member you are free to do anything. My 2 cents.

I understand what you are suggesting Tobo.  BUT....... there needs to be some troll control here.  I dont know if you have been here from the first pages, but we have suffered greatly from Trolls, especially during periods of trouble.  We had trouble with Bter freezing our wallets multiple times, trading was stopped completely several times, Cryptsy has disabled XCR in and out since Sept; Polo has been on and off as well.

We suffered the onslaught of trolls due to those issues, as well as the "Crypti is Dead" & "Crypti is a scam" crowd while we had delays in development of "Proof of Time" (which we abandoned); scaling issues with forging, and the attacks from the "pump and dump; trash and crash" investors that attempted to manipulate the XCR price up and down. 

I let GreXX and Passion be the "good guys".......

[starik69]

The problem of sockpuppet delegates can be solved with antisybil protection.

May be.
But i want to know are devs concerned about this?  
Especially when Crypti fans are talking about creating 70 or even 101 voted delegates by one person...

[Litoshi]

The problem of sockpuppet delegates can be solved with antisybil protection.

May be.
But i want to know are devs concerned about this?  
Especially when Crypti fans are talking about creating 70 or even 101 voted delegates by one person...

No one has expressed CONCERN over Crypti FANS being able to create 70 or 101 delegates.  Creating a delegate is no different than expressing a desire to run for political office...... you need votes.  Delegates dont vote.  Only the top voted 101 delegates split the forging fees from that last 101 block cycle.  Having 50 delegates, and only 5 or so in the top 101 is not a good investment. 

Delegates, once formed, are permanent.  There is no refund if they go dark.  You can sell your delegate privately to another user, but you cant change the passphrase.  Would you buy a delegate that had a passphrase known to another user? 

The consensus is that the community, knowing that one user has formed 50 delegates, will not vote for those delegates. There was even an excellent suggestion from Eric that we have a "minus" vote available for each node.  The community could get together and vote a delegate out of the 101 positions. 

Forming a Delegate is not cheap....... we are considering 25000XCR right now.  That would be 2.5 million XCR to form 101 delegates.  I only know of two people that have that much XCR, but after buying those delegates, their supply of XCR that is available for voting in a node would be greatly diminished. 

Also, remember that there is not any forging unless XCR is traded.  Hording great amounts of XCR in a node to have a bigger vote only serves to lessen the amount for trading, which lowers the forging fees further.

I dont have any plans to form more than 1 delegate.  Max, well, he is a NXT fan.  Perhaps he will enlighten us as to his plans.

[starik69]

Litoshi, you are pathetic.
I just leave this quotes without comments.

Especially when Crypti fans are talking about creating 70 or even 101 voted delegates by one person...

No one has expressed CONCERN over Crypti FANS being able to create 70 or 101 delegates.  Creating a delegate is no different than expressing a desire to run for political office...... you need votes.

Max has enough XCR , not on any exchange, to make all 101 delegates and vote for them.
BTW, I could make more than 70 myself

[Tobo]

I let GreXX and Passion be the "good guys".......

regarding how to haddle trolls, I have to say that Come-from-Beyond has a very good way to handle it (funny he was here minutes ago). "Thank you for your competent comments!" or some like that is his reply to the trolls.

[Sharky444]

Any progress with BTER?

[Litoshi]

I let GreXX and Passion be the "good guys".......

regarding how to haddle trolls, I have to say that Come-from-Beyond has a very good way to handle it (funny he was here minutes ago). "Thank you for your competent comments!" or some like that is his reply to the trolls.

Sometimes I forget the old addage "Dont try to discipline a pig by wrestling him in the mud....... the pig likes it". 

[Passion_ltc]

Litoshi, you are pathetic.
I just leave this quotes without comments.

Especially when Crypti fans are talking about creating 70 or even 101 voted delegates by one person...

No one has expressed CONCERN over Crypti FANS being able to create 70 or 101 delegates.  Creating a delegate is no different than expressing a desire to run for political office...... you need votes.

Max has enough XCR , not on any exchange, to make all 101 delegates and vote for them.
BTW, I could make more than 70 myself

Irony.

Starik, are you are die-hard troll or do you really want to help? If you want to help, them write me a PM and we will chat on Skype, where I will remove all your concerns you have right now.

[Passion_ltc]

Any progress with BTER?

Boris is in contact with Lin. I just asked him again what the state is. I will update you, once he is online.

[starik69]

write me a PM and we will chat on Skype, where I will remove all your concerns you have right now.

What stops you to make it public?

[Passion_ltc]

write me a PM and we will chat on Skype, where I will remove all your concerns you have right now.

What stops you to make it public?

You. I can't talk with you on the forums in a serious manner, as you are not very cooperative here. So either we talk via Skype and you can publish everything we talked about after that, or we stop here.

[starik69]

You. I can't

Nice try to blame me because of your own problem  
I physically can not stop you from doing or not doing anything.
But some demons in your head can

[Litoshi]

write me a PM and we will chat on Skype, where I will remove all your concerns you have right now.

What stops you to make it public?

Max would not do such a thing unless he had your permission.  The team had a 3 hour Skype conference with 5000bitcoins around Xmas time.  Do you see any of it posted here?

[Litoshi]

You. I can't

Nice try to blame me because of your own problem  
I physically can not stop you from doing or not doing anything.
But some demons in your head can

ATTENTION MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS.........This is what happens when the patients have computer access.  Please shut off your computers when not in use.

[50cent_rapper]

write me a PM and we will chat on Skype, where I will remove all your concerns you have right now.

What stops you to make it public?

Max would not do such a thing unless he had your permission.  The team had a 3 hour Skype conference with 5000bitcoins around Xmas time.  Do you see any of it posted here?

5000bitcoins has bought around 5 mil XCR as I remember. Were is he now?

[Litoshi]

write me a PM and we will chat on Skype, where I will remove all your concerns you have right now.

What stops you to make it public?

Max would not do such a thing unless he had your permission.  The team had a 3 hour Skype conference with 5000bitcoins around Xmas time.  Do you see any of it posted here?

5000bitcoins has bought around 5 mil XCR as I remember. Were is he now?

I believe he is working with James on SuperUnity.

As I recall, he was REALLY REALLY insistant that Crypti join SuperNet. We could not figure out his motivation for being so pushy.  Then we found out he was working with James.

[dzarmush]

You. I can't

Nice try to blame me because of your own problem  
I physically can not stop you from doing or not doing anything.
But some demons in your head can

I agree with Passion_ltc. Your behavior is kinda childish or trollish. Especially for one of the largest Nxt stakeholders.