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April 19, 2017, 03:28:11 AM
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The 1xbit.com scam will remain D until someone ask you for help?

"D" books aren't recommended.

When lines of communication are lost, along with no pays, a book will be rated "F" since the chances of recouping losses is slim.
So you are still in communication with the 1xbit scam?

Oh, the chance to get powerbet balances is huge! Wink

1xbit replies to communications. If anyone needs help, feel free to send me a PM.
that is sounds fair enough , i have bad experience with them few months ago , withdrawal proccess takes quite a lot of time compared to any other bookmakers and really hard to reach the support to get some help when you are in trouble , deposited my money there for the first and last time.

btw why jetwin.ps not yet rated? i thought it was one of the oldest bitcoin bookmaker?

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April 19, 2017, 03:30:08 AM
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The 1xbit.com scam will remain D until someone ask you for help?

"D" books aren't recommended.

When lines of communication are lost, along with no pays, a book will be rated "F" since the chances of recouping losses is slim.
So you are still in communication with the 1xbit scam?

Oh, the chance to get powerbet balances is huge! Wink

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that is sounds fair enough , i have bad experience with them few months ago , withdrawal proccess takes quite a lot of time compared to any other bookmakers and really hard to reach the support to get some help when you are in trouble , deposited my money there for the first and last time.

btw why jetwin.ps not yet rated? i thought it was one of the oldest bitcoin bookmaker?

Their rating will be up again soon. They were offline for quite a while which is why they were taken down. It was done as a precaution to see if any changes had occurred.

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April 19, 2017, 03:55:47 AM
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The 1xbit.com scam will remain D until someone ask you for help?

"D" books aren't recommended.

When lines of communication are lost, along with no pays, a book will be rated "F" since the chances of recouping losses is slim.
So you are still in communication with the 1xbit scam?

Oh, the chance to get powerbet balances is huge! Wink

1xbit replies to communications. If anyone needs help, feel free to send me a PM.
that is sounds fair enough , i have bad experience with them few months ago , withdrawal proccess takes quite a lot of time compared to any other bookmakers and really hard to reach the support to get some help when you are in trouble , deposited my money there for the first and last time.

btw why jetwin.ps not yet rated? i thought it was one of the oldest bitcoin bookmaker?

Their rating will be up again soon. They were offline for quite a while which is why they were taken down. It was done as a precaution to see if any changes had occurred.
oucchh no wonder i thought i have seen jetwin listed somewhere with good rating enough.

you have listed them before but remove it when they announce will get offline for a while back in november or december if i remember correctly because of jetwin update and migration reason. they are up again and running well since few months ago i guess , and i have made a withdrawal smoothly last week, this could be my vouch for them.

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April 19, 2017, 03:58:17 AM
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I believe JetWin is only offering Live! Betting so far. They are not entirely back yet.

Has anyone been able to request and receive a payout from PowerBet in the past week?

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April 19, 2017, 12:06:57 PM
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Peeps,

Have spoken to the folks at PowerBet.io?
Where are they located?
Do you think they are on the up and up?

They may be okay but just very aggressive about penalizing professional players?

Limiting or banning players is one thing, but cancelling wagers and confiscating funds is another.

I've been in contact with them. From the contact that I've had with them, they seem to be good guys and I hope that they make it. At this time I have to respect their wishes to not publicly post some of the information that they have shared.

Their KYC rules are a negative. As you said, they penalize those that they claim to be professional.
There's no reason to jump through hoops to receive a withdrawal. There are other books that aren't going to ask for KYC information unless they winnings are substantial. The top books aren't looking to confiscate funds, they want to make sure that they are paying the right person.  

Their margins are great but players should stay away from this book until they have more history and stop confiscating players funds.


Here are a couple of precautions that were given.


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April 19, 2017, 12:10:35 PM
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powerbet.io  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710755.0


lol, powerbet.io deleted most of my posts 2 weeks ago and today they deleted the last 2 ones

They could delete these 2 posts 2 weeks ago but they did it only today

Perhaps they are in big trouble



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As i see you are an 1xbet/1xbit clone  (on markets and odds with different layout)

You cant void bets saying that the bettor is an arbitrag bettor, this is bullshit

Some traditional bookmakers tired to make such rules that arbitrage betting is not allowed ,   none of them in businnes now
And of corse if you would have  any gambling license then it wont take too long, if the bettor make a complaint to the regulator and you try to explain it you void those bets because of arbitraging


You have only the right to limit the user and if you detect he makes another account you can freeze it, if you have such rules that only one account allowed.


so you have to resettle those bets according to results




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https://powerbet.io/pages/terms
As i see  there is nothing about arbitrage betting in your tos  

Which is mega lol because until now i thought you have such rules

So you have no right to void any bets saying arbitrage betting


Jetwin also using such words " for recreational players" but as I remeber they voided my bets because they were very slow to update their lines and they voided them before the match started not afterwards and not only the winner ones, so mega unfair from powerbet


For me is very recreational  to get out a lot of money from the sportsbet industry  via arbitrage betting, it is free money , very  recreational  , it is so refreshing for me Wink

Please define what means recreational for you powerbet , i am not an expert in such not common words meaning






Since we got his approval, here are just a few bets that contain clear indications of arbitrage betting (the 1st and most important is the stake value, than betting on double result - aggressive arbitrage - and - not to be ignored - the leagues the bets are placed on, which can also be a sign of arbitrage), of a rather long list:

Sc-esv Parndorf vs Ask Royal Sped Klingenbach   Asian Handicap -1.5 Stake 92.27

Arsenal Tula vs Shakhtyor Karagandy Asian Handicap -1.5 Stake 51.39

Lokomotiv Moscow vs Cska Sofia   Three Way - Cska Sofia Stake 40.04

Lokomotiv Moscow vs Cska Sofia   Three Way - Draw Stake 51.82

The list can continue with stakes such as: 15.79, 8.84, 66.18, 132.21, 36.49, 94.05, 94.85, 58.61, 40.37 and so on.

For the punter, we strongly suggest this article: http://sportsarbitrageguide.com/avoiding_bookmaker_limits.php


This is probably behavioural pattern of an arber but its not actually proof that the customer is arbing.

+1

Another question :

Did you void the winner bets only  or the loser ones too ?




Only winner bets. After last two wins my balance should have been 510 mbtc and thay updated it to 0. No details nothing and just banned me permanently.



We have this healthy habit of deleting useless "educated" (actually pure troll posts that won't change our policy against arbers) posts from random people. The arbiter complaint is there as well as our resolution to it. We consider this enough info for potential arbitrators to decide if they want to try their luck with us. As mentioned before, anyone can feel free to start their own thread about arbitrage policies of various bookies, including us of course, but please refrain yourself from posting such oppinions on our thread.

@OP, sorry for the intrusion on your thread - a very good one actually, but we felt this forum user that we quoted deserved a final reply from us. Maybe more arbitrators will finally understand that we have a strict policy against arbitrage, and we'll retroactively void arbitrage bets once deemed as such by clear indicators.

Hi powerbet,

Thanks for posting and feel free to post at any time.

The recreational bettor only clause is standard and used by most books.

As far as arbs go, are you talking in-house arbs where the player buys back the other side at powerbet to gain a profit. All bets are at powerbet? If that's the case, then you can cancel wagers.

If you are assuming that a player is an arbitrage player using powerbet with another book, then the accusation of a player being an arbitrage bettor isn't valid.

As far as the bonus goes, when a book has 100% bonus with an 8x rollover, it's going to draw many that multi-account. A book that accuses a player of multi-accounting must have air tight evidence that the player did indeed break the rules by multi-accounting.

This thread is a player protection thread. The rules that you have in place that have been invoked are for lower tiered books that should be avoided. Top books do not confiscate winnings.

You can ban a player, limit a player, but never confiscate winnings. A book that cancels winners free rolls players. The book keeps the losers and voids the winners. This isn't acceptable.

The only post by powerbet in this thread is included above.

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April 19, 2017, 12:44:02 PM
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I believe JetWin is only offering Live! Betting so far. They are not entirely back yet.

Has anyone been able to request and receive a payout from PowerBet in the past week?

GLTA
You were already warned March 20!

Is your 4 BTC win prior to March 20 or did you win recently?

Now, after "Talk with powerbet" failed, what is your next strategy in an attempt to get your 4 BTC?

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April 19, 2017, 01:04:26 PM
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I am not sure why directbet is D tough, is there some sort of complaints and scam accusations towards them or do you think they are bad in general? They are one of the oldest and most wagered sportsbooks I have heard of and I would be interested to know why are D and not C or B let alone A.
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April 19, 2017, 01:30:43 PM
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I believe JetWin is only offering Live! Betting so far. They are not entirely back yet.

Has anyone been able to request and receive a payout from PowerBet in the past week?

GLTA
You were already warned March 20!

Is your 4 BTC win prior to March 20 or did you win recently?

Now, after "Talk with powerbet" failed, what is your next strategy in an attempt to get your 4 BTC?

I kept my balance low there and they processed my withdrawals regularly and fast. Then after a winning streak, they stopped. But it sounds like no one is receiving payouts. Or are they? That's why I was asking - just to see if they were making any payouts to anyone or if they were just singling out me and other winners.

Not sure what we can do.

What is your strategy?

Are they responding to you?

Where do they operate from? .io is British Indian Ocean Territory, not that that means much.
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April 19, 2017, 05:31:53 PM
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I am not sure why directbet is D tough, is there some sort of complaints and scam accusations towards them or do you think they are bad in general? They are one of the oldest and most wagered sportsbooks I have heard of and I would be interested to know why are D and not C or B let alone A.

Now that books are processing payouts so fast, DirectBet lost their advantage of not needing an account. Their odds are bad, may be the worst, and they've confiscated money from approximately 6 players. Not only are winnings confiscated, but the bet amount too in a couple of cases. Bet confirmations can get delayed because of the system that they use. A bet may not get confirmed/rejected until the game goes final.


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April 20, 2017, 01:12:08 AM
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@PeepsPlace  Why don't you add ratings to the listed exchanges?

btcbet.us is offline. You should remove it.

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April 20, 2017, 05:06:36 AM
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@PeepsPlace  Why don't you add ratings to the listed exchanges?

btcbet.us is offline. You should remove it.

Hi Fairlay,

Thanks for the information on btcbet. Exchanges may be added down the line but at this time only the books are being rated.

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April 20, 2017, 12:02:27 PM
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No reason not to add Fairlay. Great book with great, Pinnacle-like odds that I have been using for a long time. No reason not to include it, just because it is an Exchange. It's a Sportsbook as much as any of them are and it has proved itself to be fair and reliable over a long time - long relative to Bitcoin Books. The interface is a bit clunky and confusing for some, but a new, improved one is coming soon.
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April 20, 2017, 03:47:40 PM
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What is your strategy?
Considering the statements of claimants and based on my experience that victims are typically not willing to contribute anything to enforce their account balance, I decided to offer a "no cure no pay" Powerbet 75:25 litigation attempt:

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April 20, 2017, 05:18:59 PM
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I am not sure why directbet is D tough, is there some sort of complaints and scam accusations towards them or do you think they are bad in general? They are one of the oldest and most wagered sportsbooks I have heard of and I would be interested to know why are D and not C or B let alone A.

Now that books are processing payouts so fast, DirectBet lost their advantage of not needing an account. Their odds are bad, may be the worst, and they've confiscated money from approximately 6 players. Not only are winnings confiscated, but the bet amount too in a couple of cases. Bet confirmations can get delayed because of the system that they use. A bet may not get confirmed/rejected until the game goes final.


So the rating based on the odds provided? I just can't see it in the first page about it   Roll Eyes .
The rating should be based on people satisfaction , and i think most people here satisfy on what directbet have done , that is why people is so angry and make a lot of complaint about that bad rating.

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I am not sure why directbet is D tough, is there some sort of complaints and scam accusations towards them or do you think they are bad in general? They are one of the oldest and most wagered sportsbooks I have heard of and I would be interested to know why are D and not C or B let alone A.

Now that books are processing payouts so fast, DirectBet lost their advantage of not needing an account. Their odds are bad, may be the worst, and they've confiscated money from approximately 6 players. Not only are winnings confiscated, but the bet amount too in a couple of cases. Bet confirmations can get delayed because of the system that they use. A bet may not get confirmed/rejected until the game goes final.


So the rating based on the odds provided? I just can't see it in the first page about it   Roll Eyes .
The rating should be based on people satisfaction , and i think most people here satisfy on what directbet have done , that is why people is so angry and make a lot of complaint about that bad rating.

There is a point where a book is unplayable due to the odds. DirectBet is impossible to beat long term. Even if their odds are ignored, there are other negatives that play a more significant role in their rating.

Other rating guides list DirectBet at the bottom or near the bottom. There's no getting around their betting system where they confiscate player's  funds along with not getting a confirm/reject within a reasonable time on occasion.

It's one thing to cancel a winning bet, it's another to confiscate deposits/wager amount. In DirectBet's case, the wager amount along with winnings.

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April 20, 2017, 09:24:52 PM
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Peeps, you are so right about DirectBet. They must be paying these people to post for them. DirectBet's odds are so bad, as you say, no one could win long term there. And yet, posters come out of the woodwork on your site and on Ryan's ranking site to say they are the best. Makes no sense. They have to be paid posters. No player in their right mind could say DirectBet is good with those kind of odds. The worst odds. We could post a sampling of their odds for a couple of days and all would see how bad they are.
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April 23, 2017, 02:31:23 PM
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Why is Jetwin unrated?

Also - the only thing they offer now is Inplay bets?
I can't find anything else.
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April 24, 2017, 01:19:38 AM
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Why is Jetwin unrated?

Also - the only thing they offer now is Inplay bets?
I can't find anything else.

They were offline for a while so their rating came down. A new rating will be up soon.

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