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January 26, 2017, 12:28:12 AM
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Jetwin has been taken off the rating's guide and is now listed as NR. The site has been down for maintenance for an extended period of time.


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"A" rated books
nitrogensports.eu A+ (2012)
betcoin.ag A- (2013)

"B"rated books
bitcoinrush.io B (2013)

"C" rated books
sportsbet.io C (2016)
anonibet.com  C- (2011)
cloudbet.com C-(2013)

"D" rated books
1x-bit.com D+ (2016)
coinbet24.com D+ (2015)
lunarbets.eu D (2016)
powerbet.io D (2016)
directbet.eu D- (2014)




Exchanges
betbtc.co (2014)
fairlay.com (2014)
betmatch.is (2016

Prediction Markets
btcbet.us (2016)
betmoose.com (2014)
predictious.com  (2013)

Mutual Betting
Onehash.com


"F" rated books
Ball2Win F ..........................accepting deposits. They are under the same license as "F" book gobetgo
BetCas F ............................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
BTCBonusBook (2015).......... accepting deposits with no payout history.
Casinoco (2015)...................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Coindrafts F (2014)
Webetcoins F (2014
Bitbm F .............................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Ghostbook (TOR)
Gobetgo F (2013)
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F

BetVIP - closed 6/12/15

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bitgame.online
jetwin.ps  (2013)


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A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month

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January 26, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
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Add Bitgame.com. Small selection of soccer and NFL.

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Add Bitgame.com. Small selection of soccer and NFL.

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bitgame.com - Invalid domain, bitgame.online - correct!

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Sorry about the mistake. It's changed.

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January 27, 2017, 09:20:35 AM
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Hi,

Could you pay my winning bet https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=12PsKPYqWPEWAKLHwQT2ftTNe7EwTL4dnc

I have been waiting 11 hours now?

bet status just updated to voided!? I give you permission to show the full details of any evidence/justification you have for doing this on the forum so that i can show that i did not do what you're accusing me of.

Posted this in the directbet thread. Was completely ignored by the directbet rep account which posted afterwards. This is becuase they know i have done nothing wrong so they have nothing to show. They have not paid out my winnings of over 1 BTC and seem to intend to keep it as well as my initial bet, Avoid.

Wow that's sad! Now I know what to avoid. Anyway, I would recommend you to open a scam accusation as the scam accusation can really deter people from betting there. Voice out your concern! Don't just post here, you won't get any action here. Just remember to get your evidences ready! I hope you get that money from you bet!
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January 27, 2017, 09:39:29 AM
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OP's rank is the authentic, no ref link, no website inserted ref link, and his signature is not paid, he is just doing the best rank. Salute PP, I like your rating about nitrogen, it is the best and never foind a better one.  Grin
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January 27, 2017, 11:40:41 AM
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Hi,

Could you pay my winning bet https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=12PsKPYqWPEWAKLHwQT2ftTNe7EwTL4dnc

I have been waiting 11 hours now?

bet status just updated to voided!? I give you permission to show the full details of any evidence/justification you have for doing this on the forum so that i can show that i did not do what you're accusing me of.

Posted this in the directbet thread. Was completely ignored by the directbet rep account which posted afterwards. This is becuase they know i have done nothing wrong so they have nothing to show. They have not paid out my winnings of over 1 BTC and seem to intend to keep it as well as my initial bet, Avoid.

Wow that's sad! Now I know what to avoid. Anyway, I would recommend you to open a scam accusation as the scam accusation can really deter people from betting there. Voice out your concern! Don't just post here, you won't get any action here. Just remember to get your evidences ready! I hope you get that money from you bet!

bitbitnom - I'm sorry to hear about this. Do I have your permission to contact DirectBet on your behalf.

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January 27, 2017, 01:54:06 PM
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Directbet - 3.3
Cloudbet - 3.6
Sportsbet - 3.6
betcoin.ag - 3.3
Nitrogen - 3.9
1xbit - 2.8

I've seen so many people giving a book a 5 rating but that means they are the perfect sportsbook, which isn't the case. Every single btc book has massive room for improvement. Those of you that cling to Directbet because they are the most secure site should consider that mathematically with the odds they offer the house will always win in the long run so why even bother - if ever there was a case of gamblers-fallacy it is that one. Their website needs a massive overhaul, the functionality is archaic. Cloudbet and Sportsbet seem to gravitate in the same sphere for me. Very similar products, odds and set-up. They have decent live and pre-match with reasonable value of odds on offer. If i was really recreational bettor those would be my go to places. Betcoin seem to have good days and bad days and its hard to know whats going on with a company that has multiple brands in the marketplace from ultraplay. I think its always best to stick to proper b2c brand. Nitrogen, for me, is the book i would always bet on pre-match events all day long. It seems they pretty much just plug in Pinnacle with extra-juice. Anyone worth their salt knows that Pinnacle is possibly the most reliable book for payouts and margin in the world so with that engine and system behind it then its basically like playing at Pinnacle with an extra ¢ or two added to the lines. 1xbit website for mobile is remarkable, it is a beautiful website, without a shadow of a doubt and then you have to deal with 1xbet. Just google them and your fingers will be burned from just touching the keys. Even by Russian bookies standards these guys are bottom of the barrel.

I just want to mention Powerbet, its too early to rate them as I have yet to make a bet there but their ridiculous prices being offered on things like a 2-3% margin in live games is ridiculous. Those margins are impossible to actually trade for soccer as a sportsbook and make a decent vig in return. So either they are literally giving away cash or this is just a marketing ploy to draw the square punters in (who have a losing profile anyway) and they will void informed and lucky bettors, let alone sharp bettors. As they always say you don't get something in this life for nothing.

Perfect sportsbook: Security of Directbet, good live markets like cloudbet and sportsbet, esports like betcoin, pre-match and (true) overound of nitrogen combined with a website/UI/UX as hot as 1xbit then sir you have yourself a 5!

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January 27, 2017, 08:33:26 PM
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Directbet - 3.3
Cloudbet - 3.6
Sportsbet - 3.6
betcoin.ag - 3.3
Nitrogen - 3.9
1xbit - 2.8

I've seen so many people giving a book a 5 rating but that means they are the perfect sportsbook, which isn't the case. Every single btc book has massive room for improvement. Those of you that cling to Directbet because they are the most secure site should consider that mathematically with the odds they offer the house will always win in the long run so why even bother - if ever there was a case of gamblers-fallacy it is that one. Their website needs a massive overhaul, the functionality is archaic. Cloudbet and Sportsbet seem to gravitate in the same sphere for me. Very similar products, odds and set-up. They have decent live and pre-match with reasonable value of odds on offer. If i was really recreational bettor those would be my go to places. Betcoin seem to have good days and bad days and its hard to know whats going on with a company that has multiple brands in the marketplace from ultraplay. I think its always best to stick to proper b2c brand. Nitrogen, for me, is the book i would always bet on pre-match events all day long. It seems they pretty much just plug in Pinnacle with extra-juice. Anyone worth their salt knows that Pinnacle is possibly the most reliable book for payouts and margin in the world so with that engine and system behind it then its basically like playing at Pinnacle with an extra ¢ or two added to the lines. 1xbit website for mobile is remarkable, it is a beautiful website, without a shadow of a doubt and then you have to deal with 1xbet. Just google them and your fingers will be burned from just touching the keys. Even by Russian bookies standards these guys are bottom of the barrel.

I just want to mention Powerbet, its too early to rate them as I have yet to make a bet there but their ridiculous prices being offered on things like a 2-3% margin in live games is ridiculous. Those margins are impossible to actually trade for soccer as a sportsbook and make a decent vig in return. So either they are literally giving away cash or this is just a marketing ploy to draw the square punters in (who have a losing profile anyway) and they will void informed and lucky bettors, let alone sharp bettors. As they always say you don't get something in this life for nothing.

Perfect sportsbook: Security of Directbet, good live markets like cloudbet and sportsbet, esports like betcoin, pre-match and (true) overound of nitrogen combined with a website/UI/UX as hot as 1xbit then sir you have yourself a 5!


Good post. Thanks for your input.

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January 27, 2017, 10:43:06 PM
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Directbet - 3.3
Cloudbet - 3.6
Sportsbet - 3.6
betcoin.ag - 3.3
Nitrogen - 3.9
1xbit - 2.8

Betcoin seem to have good days and bad days and its hard to know whats going on with a company that has multiple brands in the marketplace from ultraplay.
Hard to know what is going on = 3.3? And NitrogenSports only 0.6 points more?

If NitrogenSports has 3.9, then betcoin.ag has max 1.5

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710755.0

History : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710755.msg17651351#msg17651351

Briefly : powerbet voided one of its user's bets (only winner ones) saying arbitrage betting,  (but they have no such rules, so they have no right to do so )


Powerbet deleted almost all my posts  from their topic, here are them again :



I tried to say that you have the same odds provider as 1xbet/1xbit (but your userinterface/ layout is different)


Please feel free to prove (link their rules/tos here) that exists any traditional or not traditional (btc) bookmaker who are againts arbitrage in their rules

As I remeber there was only one bookmaker (betway) who tried to apply such rules but they had to remove it .

I made at least 30.000 arbitrage betting in the last 7 years  using at least 100 bookmakers .

None of them dared to void any of my bets saying arbitrage.

You cant prove you cant say that the bet placed on your site is one side of an arbirage betting  , you can only suppose it, but it means nothing

You could only prove it if you are the owner of the other bookmaker where the other side of the arbirage betting was placed.

So here are  some questions:

If i place a bet :
Match:   ABC- XYZ  
Handicap: ABC  -5  @  2    but later i change my mind and place another bet but the other side after the line moved
XYZ +7   @ 2.1


What are you going to do?    
Void both , void only the winner one, void the 1st one or the 2nd one , void them only if both winners ?

i give you a hint:  you have to settle both bets according to the results

And what about middles or revers middles?
ABC -5 @ 1.9    XYZ  +7  @ 1.95     is it an arbitrage betting in your terms ?    


If i start to place bets with random stakes what will you do?
( So if here is somebody who wants to fuck up with this book , only place some random stakes 13.53, 15.75 and later can come here and make complaints )

Where is the limit ?     Should i use stakes with the last digit only 0 ?  or can  use the number 14 , will you void it?   (before voiding please check my balance because perhaps  i have only 14, lol)


So please do not lie that only pinnacle not against arbitrage betting, because the earlier discussed situtation is an  everyday situtation , that a bettor change his mind (for example an NBA player injury) and
place another bet on the same market but the other side  


i suggest spbettor to register to  http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/  and share your issue there too
and here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.2380

I will register to your site in the next few weeks and will place only arbitrage bets.
Try to detect it and try to void it.  We will see whose reputation will suffer it.


I have been scammed many times by btc books.   (Bitcoinlivebets, betcoin.tm , betvip)
None of them in business now.

I tried and used almost all btc bookmakers.

You did nothing well, those are only words ,means nothing.   betvip said such huge words but i proved that they had only 15 bets daily.
bitcoinlivebets said that they had 1000 users and incresing but they had less than 100 users .


Another posts briefly:  

2, Powerbet voided only the winner bets.

3,

https://powerbet.io/pages/terms
As i see  there is nothing about arbitrage betting in your tos  

Which is mega lol because until now i thought you have such rules

So you have no right to void any bets saying arbitrage betting


Jetwin also using such words " for recreational players" but as I remeber they voided my bets because they were very slow to update their lines and they voided them before the match started not afterwards and not only the winner ones, so mega unfair from powerbet


For me is very recreational  to get out a lot of money from the sportsbet industry  via arbitrage betting, it is free money , very  recreational  , it is so refreshing for me Wink

Please define what means recreational for you powerbet , i am not an expert in such not common words meaning


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January 28, 2017, 01:51:10 PM
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Directbet - 3.3
Cloudbet - 3.6
Sportsbet - 3.6
betcoin.ag - 3.3
Nitrogen - 3.9
1xbit - 2.8

Betcoin seem to have good days and bad days and its hard to know whats going on with a company that has multiple brands in the marketplace from ultraplay.
Hard to know what is going on = 3.3? And NitrogenSports only 0.6 points more?

If NitrogenSports has 3.9, then betcoin.ag has max 1.5
Hi GP, I hear what you are saying. I tried to be objective to a certain extent from my empirical observations and calculated my ratings based on different criteria: website, product, value of odds, payments, sign up and reputation. I tried to give a rounded impression of a product, rather than just reputation alone. As you see in my comments afterwards, I really only give cloudbet, sportsbet and Nitrogen the green light from my own personal perspective. Betcoin are in my eyes a B2B operation that is taking advantage of the data other clients pass through their platform rather than a true B2C. Actually with the data Betcoin have access to if they had a better, more reputable manner to risk manage their book they SHOULD be light-years ahead of the rest by now but i guess its short-sighted on their part.
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January 28, 2017, 02:02:00 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710755.0

History : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710755.msg17651351#msg17651351

Briefly : powerbet voided one of its user's bets (only winner ones) saying arbitrage betting,  (but they have no such rules, so they have no right to do so )


Powerbet deleted almost all my posts  from their topic, here are them again :



I tried to say that you have the same odds provider as 1xbet/1xbit (but your userinterface/ layout is different)


Please feel free to prove (link their rules/tos here) that exists any traditional or not traditional (btc) bookmaker who are againts arbitrage in their rules

As I remeber there was only one bookmaker (betway) who tried to apply such rules but they had to remove it .

I made at least 30.000 arbitrage betting in the last 7 years  using at least 100 bookmakers .

None of them dared to void any of my bets saying arbitrage.

You cant prove you cant say that the bet placed on your site is one side of an arbirage betting  , you can only suppose it, but it means nothing


I also had my post removed by the Powerbet moderator. I don't think it is related to 1xbit/1xbet though as they are on the softswiss platform. I believe a company called betting promotions power the odds feed for Powerbet. Sportsbook run properly should be able to work with arbitrage players as logically they make the book sharper with their lines. As Pinnacle do. Powerbet looks to be owned by bitbingo.io btw.
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January 28, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710755.0

History : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710755.msg17651351#msg17651351

Briefly : powerbet voided one of its user's bets (only winner ones) saying arbitrage betting,  (but they have no such rules, so they have no right to do so )


Powerbet deleted almost all my posts  from their topic, here are them again :



I tried to say that you have the same odds provider as 1xbet/1xbit (but your userinterface/ layout is different)


Please feel free to prove (link their rules/tos here) that exists any traditional or not traditional (btc) bookmaker who are againts arbitrage in their rules

As I remeber there was only one bookmaker (betway) who tried to apply such rules but they had to remove it .

I made at least 30.000 arbitrage betting in the last 7 years  using at least 100 bookmakers .

None of them dared to void any of my bets saying arbitrage.

You cant prove you cant say that the bet placed on your site is one side of an arbirage betting  , you can only suppose it, but it means nothing

You could only prove it if you are the owner of the other bookmaker where the other side of the arbirage betting was placed.

So here are  some questions:

If i place a bet :
Match:   ABC- XYZ  
Handicap: ABC  -5  @  2    but later i change my mind and place another bet but the other side after the line moved
XYZ +7   @ 2.1


What are you going to do?    
Void both , void only the winner one, void the 1st one or the 2nd one , void them only if both winners ?

i give you a hint:  you have to settle both bets according to the results

And what about middles or revers middles?
ABC -5 @ 1.9    XYZ  +7  @ 1.95     is it an arbitrage betting in your terms ?    


If i start to place bets with random stakes what will you do?
( So if here is somebody who wants to fuck up with this book , only place some random stakes 13.53, 15.75 and later can come here and make complaints )

Where is the limit ?     Should i use stakes with the last digit only 0 ?  or can  use the number 14 , will you void it?   (before voiding please check my balance because perhaps  i have only 14, lol)


So please do not lie that only pinnacle not against arbitrage betting, because the earlier discussed situtation is an  everyday situtation , that a bettor change his mind (for example an NBA player injury) and
place another bet on the same market but the other side  


i suggest spbettor to register to  http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/  and share your issue there too
and here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.2380

I will register to your site in the next few weeks and will place only arbitrage bets.
Try to detect it and try to void it.  We will see whose reputation will suffer it.


I have been scammed many times by btc books.   (Bitcoinlivebets, betcoin.tm , betvip)
None of them in business now.

I tried and used almost all btc bookmakers.

You did nothing well, those are only words ,means nothing.   betvip said such huge words but i proved that they had only 15 bets daily.
bitcoinlivebets said that they had 1000 users and incresing but they had less than 100 users .


Another posts briefly:  

2, Powerbet voided only the winner bets.

3,

https://powerbet.io/pages/terms
As i see  there is nothing about arbitrage betting in your tos  

Which is mega lol because until now i thought you have such rules

So you have no right to void any bets saying arbitrage betting


Jetwin also using such words " for recreational players" but as I remeber they voided my bets because they were very slow to update their lines and they voided them before the match started not afterwards and not only the winner ones, so mega unfair from powerbet


For me is very recreational  to get out a lot of money from the sportsbet industry  via arbitrage betting, it is free money , very  recreational  , it is so refreshing for me Wink

Please define what means recreational for you powerbet , i am not an expert in such not common words meaning



I'm preaching to the choir here. Books can ban, they can limit, but they should never confiscate winnings.

I like these guys from the little interaction that I've had with them. That said, it will be tough for some of these new books to stay in business with their low holds, bonuses and confiscation rules.

Almost every book has the "recreational player only" clause. That just means they can boot or limit. If the rules say they can confiscate winnings, and they hold true to this, then they'll never be rated high here.

Some books don't allow you to come back on the other side of a bet to in-house scalp two way betting. I can agree with the book on this if it's in their rules.

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January 28, 2017, 02:27:06 PM
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Some books purposely take positions wanting one sided action. We can't be penalized guessing on book's motives if they have the best line.

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January 28, 2017, 07:29:37 PM
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One other thing, when these anonymous bitcoin books offer big bonuses, players are going to come out of the woodwork to multi-account taking advantage of the bonuses.

Books that don't have KYC rules will want KYC information. This is going to lead to many disputes and innocent players caught up in the shuffle losing money. Anyone who has been here a couple of years has seen this many times. It's a risk/reward situation.

For the Super Bowl, sweat the game, not the payout.

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January 29, 2017, 04:33:48 PM
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FYI -

We've updated our initial list of props, right now we have over 325 different Prop Bets available to bet on with Bitcoin. This list will grow as we get closer to the game, so be sure to check them out daily!

Also, just like the past 4 years, we are offering Squares Pools to our loyal players! At the moment we have 3 pools, a free version where we've added 500 mBTC to the prize pool, and two paid versions where the cost to play is just 5 or 10 mBTC per square. If we fill up quickly and there is more demand, we'll open up more pools before the Big Game!


Thanks Peep and the Community!

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January 31, 2017, 10:13:24 PM
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The fun props are now available!

Looking to bet whether Gaga's halftime show hair color is blonde?

Or if the number Peyton Manning SB commercials over 1½ ?

Or if Gaga says "Trump" during halftime show ?

Then BitcoinRush is YOUR Place!

Check them all out now, 835 Props now available!

https://www.bitcoinrush.io/super-bowl-props

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Pending complaint against 1xbit for confiscation of 4.3 BTC.

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