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Everyone is going to rank books differently and each person should play at books that best fit their needs. The ratings in this thread are just a guide. Warnings have been given in this thread to a few books that went under. We need input from all to help with this guide.


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I'm not trying to deter anyone from playing at DirectBet. If you like them, then by all means play there. The posts are made to justify their rating since there is a lot of talk concerning DirectBet.

If there is a problem at Nitrogen, Betcoinsports, Jetwin, Bitcoinrush, CloudBet and some others, they will show evidence of all problems relating to the sportsbook.

DirectBet's answer is our decision is final. If DirectBet isn't going to show contradictory evidence, then the complaints and betting slips are the determinants when deriving a rating.

Tbh, I myself play on almost all sites including cloudbet, but they are one site I hear the maximum number of complaints towards. Like withdrawl issues, bets not process etc. But they never comment to most of those complaints, so we don't really know what happens after. But overall I think DB being onchain is one of the fairest of sportbooks, and that is the only reason I support them as well and feel any new user to bitcoin should atleast experience that and then decide for himself, instead of coming across this thread and not betting there at all.


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July 30, 2016, 08:54:24 AM
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Just looking at the front page table - Bitcoin Rush must be up for over 2 years now?
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Just looking at the front page table - Bitcoin Rush must be up for over 2 years now?

They opened in 2013 under the URL casinobitco.in

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Just another example of what I meant : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570322.0

There are complaints, just not posted as much or got as much publicity as the DB case.


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July 31, 2016, 11:29:39 AM
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Just another example of what I meant : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570322.0

There are complaints, just not posted as much or got as much publicity as the DB case.

Cloudbet has problems every weekend and it's reflected in their "C" rating. Many of the complaints are posted in this thread. Cloudbet hasn't stolen any money from their players. If I send a PM to Cloudbet they will answer all questions. If asked, they will reply in this thread. All of their problems are with delays.

DirectBet's margins are the highest of all books. DirectBet has stolen funds from 3 different players. They won't show proof of problems and they state that their decision is final. If a book is going to confiscate funds, they need to show solid proof justifying the confiscation.

A major purpose of this thread is to warn players of books that may not pay out. DirectBet's model is set up so that others will lose money in the future.



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Just another example of what I meant : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570322.0

There are complaints, just not posted as much or got as much publicity as the DB case.

Cloudbet has problems every weekend and it's reflected in their "C" rating. Many of the complaints are posted in this thread. Cloudbet hasn't stolen any money from their players. If I send a PM to Cloudbet they will answer all questions. If asked, they will reply in this thread. All of their problems are with delays.

DirectBet's margins are the highest of all books. DirectBet has stolen funds from 3 different players. They won't show proof of problems and they state that their decision is final. If a book is going to confiscate funds, they need to show solid proof justifying the confiscation.

A major purpose of this thread is to warn players of books that may not pay out. DirectBet's model is set up so that others will lose money in the future.




Betcoin is currently untrusted and had their bid to advertise on this forum rejected by Theymos due to negative reputation.

Beginning this week, members who promote Betcoin will likely receive negative trust for doing so.

Go watch their forum and chat room if you're interested in reading about payout delays and other issues with sportsbook.  Read their trust feedback if you want to know what a scummy site they are in general.

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Just another example of what I meant : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570322.0

There are complaints, just not posted as much or got as much publicity as the DB case.

Cloudbet has problems every weekend and it's reflected in their "C" rating. Many of the complaints are posted in this thread. Cloudbet hasn't stolen any money from their players. If I send a PM to Cloudbet they will answer all questions. If asked, they will reply in this thread. All of their problems are with delays.

DirectBet's margins are the highest of all books. DirectBet has stolen funds from 3 different players. They won't show proof of problems and they state that their decision is final. If a book is going to confiscate funds, they need to show solid proof justifying the confiscation.

A major purpose of this thread is to warn players of books that may not pay out. DirectBet's model is set up so that others will lose money in the future.




Betcoin is currently untrusted and had their bid to advertise on this forum rejected by Theymos due to negative reputation.

Beginning this week, members who promote Betcoin will likely receive negative trust for doing so.

Go watch their forum and chat room if you're interested in reading about payout delays and other issues with sportsbook.  Read their trust feedback if you want to know what a scummy site they are in general.

How about players that DDOS other sites and other people's connections get negative trust?  Stop DDOS'ing people dude.
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August 01, 2016, 09:07:30 PM
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Directbet stole over 5k from me. (9.04 BTC)

I placed a bet over a month ago and directbet has not returned it. They rejected the bet and then did not refund the btc.

Instead they just update the betslip page posting someone elses transaction ID and said its to cover an unpaid bet.

Complete garbage.

Directbet ignores all posts, emails, and support requests.

https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1J48n6KMDKutNcb68ywoHgfrZVkD28Vrfk

Listen to all the bad posts and stay away from this book.
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Peeps,  how  about downgrading nitrogensports? They are making it difficult for jtp1109 to withdraw his bitcoins. Coming up with the stupidest excuses possible. Their behaviour is shady as hell. This is a link to the scam accusation :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571870.0
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Directbet stole over 5k from me. (9.04 BTC)

I placed a bet over a month ago and directbet has not returned it. They rejected the bet and then did not refund the btc.

Instead they just update the betslip page posting someone elses transaction ID and said its to cover an unpaid bet.

Complete garbage.

Directbet ignores all posts, emails, and support requests.

https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1J48n6KMDKutNcb68ywoHgfrZVkD28Vrfk

Listen to all the bad posts and stay away from this book.

No offense for you.. I just want to know, did you always make big bet like that??
Around $7K for 1 bet, its amazing... You must had big bankroll also rite??

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Peeps,  how  about downgrading nitrogensports? They are making it difficult for jtp1109 to withdraw his bitcoins. Coming up with the stupidest excuses possible. Their behaviour is shady as hell. This is a link to the scam accusation :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571870.0

robinH - I've been keeping an eye on this thread and it seems as though this is normal protocol that was put into place as a security measure.

Major sportsbooks deal with hacking attempts and fraudulent activity on a daily basis. Some delays are understandable when large sums are involved.

Is there anything that you would like asked of Nitrogen? I'll ask them if they can come in here to respond.

If the player gives me permission to look into his case, I'd be happy to go over it.

Here's a post by Nitrogen concerning this case.

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The user in question has been a loyal member of our site, and a very highly valued one, for some time. Recently our securities team introduced a new measure which places TEMPORARY locks on any account that has received large credits in the past 24 hours. This measure affects every user the same and is activated any time a credit this large is given (whether as a bonus, payout for a misgrade, bounty, affiliate payment etc.).

As one of our highest volume players, and somebody who would be impacted by this change in security policy, this user was notified of the changes immediately. We fully understand that this may not be the most convenient arrangement for users, but do view it as necessary to ensure security. The fact of the matter remains very few sportsbooks even come close to the flexibility we offer, especially in circumstances such as this.

We apologize for some initial miscommunication with our support team: as mentioned, the 24 hour lock is a relatively new measure, and accounts can be locked for many reasons. All team members are fully aware of the new security measures and we hope there won’t be any further miscommunication on the issue.

The account being unable to withdraw prior to his credit appears to have been as a result of the unconfirmed micro-deposit on his account. Unconfirmed bitcoin has not yet truly arrived at its destination, and our system cannot, therefore, allow users to withdraw bitcoin that hasn't been confirmed 100% as being in our wallets yet. These micro-deposits did not come from Nitrogen as claimed by the user; we have never, and would never send bitcoin to a user via deposit. For any such credit we use our own internal system. This can be corroborated by the fact that none of the wallet addresses sending these transactions belong to Nitrogen.

All in all, this amounts to an unfortunate misunderstanding with a long-time and loyal user. Unfortunately, due to the sums of bitcoin he plays with, he has been somewhat inconvenienced by a security policy which most users will never be affected by. This policy has been made clear to him on multiple occasions, by multiple members of our support staff, and at these times he has been given alternate options to aid him in avoiding what has been, for him, a frustrating process. Each time he has declined our offer. We have not seized or debited funds from this user, but rather was crediting him. At the time of this posting he has been notified via support and his account is open and unlocked and he is welcome to do as he wishes with his account and balance.

Although we cannot share account specifics, which have not been publicly aired by the user in question, we hope that our response provides some insight into this unfortunate situation and sheds some light on our perspective.

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Just another example of what I meant : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570322.0

There are complaints, just not posted as much or got as much publicity as the DB case.

Cloudbet has problems every weekend and it's reflected in their "C" rating. Many of the complaints are posted in this thread. Cloudbet hasn't stolen any money from their players. If I send a PM to Cloudbet they will answer all questions. If asked, they will reply in this thread. All of their problems are with delays.

DirectBet's margins are the highest of all books. DirectBet has stolen funds from 3 different players. They won't show proof of problems and they state that their decision is final. If a book is going to confiscate funds, they need to show solid proof justifying the confiscation.

A major purpose of this thread is to warn players of books that may not pay out. DirectBet's model is set up so that others will lose money in the future.




Betcoin is currently untrusted and had their bid to advertise on this forum rejected by Theymos due to negative reputation.

Beginning this week, members who promote Betcoin will likely receive negative trust for doing so.

Go watch their forum and chat room if you're interested in reading about payout delays and other issues with sportsbook.  Read their trust feedback if you want to know what a scummy site they are in general.



TwitchySeal - You've added a lot of pertinent and useful information to this thread but one question, why did you say that about Theymos? I took a look into your post since you've been critical of Betcoinsports in the past. OgNasty has a trust rating of 290. He joined in 2011 and is part of the Betcoin.ag signature campaign.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321

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Update:

"A" rated books
nitrogensports.eu A+ (2012)

"B"rated books
betcoinsports.com B+ (2013)
jetwin.ps B (2013)
bitcoinrush.io B (2013)

"C" rated books)
cloudbet.com C (2013)

"D" rated books
anonibet.com  D+ (2011)
coinbet24.com D (2016)
lunarbets.eu D (2016)
directbet.eu D- (2014)
sportsbet.io D- (2016)

Exchanges
betbtc.co (2014)
fairlay.com (2014)

Prediction Markets
betmoose.com (2014)
predictious.com  (2013)

"F" rated books
Ball2Win F ..........................accepting deposits. They are under the same license as "F" book gobetgo
BetCas F ............................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
BTCBonusBook (2015).......... accepting deposits with no payout history.
Casinoco (2015)...................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Coindrafts F (2014)
Webetcoins F (2014
Bitbm F .............................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Gobetgo F (2013)
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F

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C - 3 months
D - 1 month

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August 03, 2016, 04:39:53 AM
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I am curious with directbet.eu. Why only "D"? I thought they are one of the best sports books in the bitcoin world. Can you please explain the reason why you gave them a low rating?

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August 03, 2016, 05:29:02 AM
Last edit: August 03, 2016, 05:45:04 AM by Peeps Place
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I am curious with directbet.eu. Why only "D"? I thought they are one of the best sports books in the bitcoin world. Can you please explain the reason why you gave them a low rating?

Three players are owed money from DirectBet. Two players were accused of double spend attempts. DirectBet hasn't showed proof that the accused players tried to double spend.

DirectBet's rules state that once a bet is confirmed that it stands. A player had his bet confirmed and it was graded a win. DirectBet refused to pay out the player.

DirectBet's lines aren't competitive.

Some wagers aren't accepted/rejected until after the game starts. There can be a delay.

Even though most have no problems with DirectBet, even long term players, the reasons above show why DirectBet is inferior when compared to other books and that should be reflected in their grade.

The most glaring weakness is that there model will cause other players not to be paid, it's inevitable.



edit- The following post by robinH states their flaws more succinctly and accurately than I did.

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August 03, 2016, 05:34:48 AM
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I am curious with directbet.eu. Why only "D"? I thought they are one of the best sports books in the bitcoin world. Can you please explain the reason why you gave them a low rating?


Directbet.eu could seize your funds whenever it pleases them then claim a double-spend. Or better still they could accuse you of a previous double spent bet that may have nothing to do with you, and then use that as an excuse to keep your coins, without showing any proof whatsoever.

Don't let their PR fool you. How any one can possibly make a profit betting against the lines they offer is beyond me. Only fools use this book.
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August 03, 2016, 06:30:46 AM
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Ok. Thank you for the tip. I use them sometimes for small bets in F1 races. Now that I know their policy I will try to avoid them. So where will you advice the people to go if they want to bet on F1?

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August 03, 2016, 06:50:39 AM
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Ok. Thank you for the tip. I use them sometimes for small bets in F1 races. Now that I know their policy I will try to avoid them. So where will you advice the people to go if they want to bet on F1?

Jetwin has good motor sports coverage


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August 03, 2016, 06:54:59 AM
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I am curious with directbet.eu. Why only "D"? I thought they are one of the best sports books in the bitcoin world. Can you please explain the reason why you gave them a low rating?


Directbet.eu could seize your funds whenever it pleases them then claim a double-spend. Or better still they could accuse you of a previous double spent bet that may have nothing to do with you, and then use that as an excuse to keep your coins, without showing any proof whatsoever.

Don't let their PR fool you. How any one can possibly make a profit betting against the lines they offer is beyond me. Only fools use this book.
I wanted to ask about sportsbet.io - is the case about snatching your deposit is also true in their case.
Or their -D rating is caused by some other unfavorable conditions? I thought they are fairly good.
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