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June 02, 2016, 08:06:55 PM
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Sometimes attempted double spend show without a person trying to double spend.

That's true, but we have developed extensive knowledge, experience and tools that allow us to tell the difference.

Here in this incident hungerstyle did it on purpose. There is evidence in the payout address.

You may have noticed that for several days now we are asking hungerstyle to post the payout address used for this bet, and he avoided doing it before eventually disappearing.

There is a reason why he didn't want to post the payout address for this bet.

He knew that once he posts it, it will be clear to all that he is a criminal and that this was a fraud attempt.

Even if he is a criminal, you can never confiscate deposits. He may play at many books. DirectBet shouldn't be the only book allowed to confiscate funds without repercussions. There must be a substantial downgrade in ratings.

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June 02, 2016, 08:52:45 PM
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Even if he is a criminal, you can never confiscate deposits. He may play at many books. DirectBet shouldn't be the only book allowed to confiscate funds without repercussions. There must be a substantial downgrade in ratings.

It's a standard universal rule for Bitcoin Sportbooks to confiscate coins when a fraudulent activity is involved.

Here is a quote from the rules of your favorite book :

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If Nitrogen Sports believes that any customer has intentionally acted in bad faith or has engaged in fraudulent activity, Nitrogen Sports reserves the right to take any steps necessary.

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If you are found to be cheating, colluding, or attempting to cheat at any game offered by BitcoinRush.io your account will be closed, and the funds tied to the account will be confiscated by the operators of BitcoinRush.io

As you can see, we all have the same rule, and rightfully so.

Members here should be aware that only reason why Peeps Place singles us out is because we refused to pay him for advertisement, while books that pay him are "protected" from negative feedback and downgrades.

Peeps Place, for transparency, can you please disclose the list of Sportbooks that pay you to advertise and promote them ?

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June 02, 2016, 08:58:58 PM
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Today I gave A+ to Directbet because a few days ago they successful running of the competition that the 6th time
Many users participated there and it was very enjoyable, Another reason is so far I have found no problems while playing at their site
Thanks Peeps Place
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June 02, 2016, 09:42:46 PM
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Today I gave A+ to Directbet because a few days ago they successful running of the competition that the 6th time
Many users participated there and it was very enjoyable, Another reason is so far I have found no problems while playing at their site
Thanks Peeps Place

Thanks for the input.

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June 02, 2016, 10:20:31 PM
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Here in this incident hungerstyle did it on purpose. There is evidence in the payout address.

You may have noticed that for several days now we are asking hungerstyle to post the payout address used for this bet, and he avoided doing it before eventually disappearing.

There is a reason why he didn't want to post the payout address for this bet.

He knew that once he posts it, it will be clear to all that he is a criminal and that this was a fraud attempt.

If the address somehow proves he is guilty, why not just post the address?  I don't think he's going to.  

I was thinking you thought there was a 3rd party pretending to  be the original better, but not sure what's going on here.

It's a standard universal rule for Bitcoin Sportbooks to confiscate coins when a fraudulent activity is involved.
Here is a quote from the rules of your favorite book :
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If Nitrogen Sports believes that any customer has intentionally acted in bad faith or has engaged in fraudulent activity, Nitrogen Sports reserves the right to take any steps necessary.
Here is another example :
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If you are found to be cheating, colluding, or attempting to cheat at any game offered by BitcoinRush.io your account will be closed, and the funds tied to the account will be confiscated by the operators of BitcoinRush.io

As you can see, we all have the same rule, and rightfully so.
 
These are not rules that are followed literally, they just give you right right to do whatever you want.  It's lawyer stuff, since you all are unregulated, you already have that right, so really there's no need for them.

I can tell you that if you were regulated in New Jersey, for example, you would either pay the player or pay the state.  

The house is responsible for protecting themselves against the possibility of fraud.  If they were to potentially profit off these situations, it would create an environment prone to corruption.  Casinos would have motivation to encourage cheating.  

Question for DirectBet:  What would you have done if HungryStyle lost his bet?  

Would you have been proactive in telling him he was guilty of fraud?  
That the bet was void and he would not have been paid if he won?

Or would you say nothing and hope for another deposit from him.




Members here should be aware that only reason why Peeps Place singles us out is because we refused to pay him for advertisement, while books that pay him are "protected" from negative feedback and downgrades.

Peeps Place, for transparency, can you please disclose the list of Sportbooks that pay you to advertise and promote them ?

This is a problem if you have been activly requesting payment from books, Peeps.  

It would explain the funny way you've handled Betcoin issues (Example)

I hope it's not true, but if it is, full disclosure of any money or favors accepted by peeps belongs in OP so each player can take it into consideration when making their own opinion.


Edit: I didn't realize peeps has his own site, thought this was referring just to the thread.

THe site has obvious banners, enough for players to assume peeps is profiting off this,  so most of my assumptions were wrong.  

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June 02, 2016, 11:21:18 PM
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Are there anymore Cloudbet issues?

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June 03, 2016, 04:21:35 AM
Last edit: June 03, 2016, 04:35:19 AM by FastEddie1
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Are there anymore Cloudbet issues?

yes.  i can't get this bet graded after six days.   And their support has started to ignore me.
Is this money gone?  i really need this money.



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This request was closed and merged into request #16332 "Still need help".

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See attached screenshot.
Here is my deposit address Your deposit address: 13AG6t3zvwim1rWBec28q174GF78AMDfQi
See attached screenshot of the bet in question. How can I be logged in if its not my account?
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This is the account FastEddie@sharklasers.com
Please escalate this issue to your boss. I don't accept this as solved. Thank you,


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Thanks for getting in touch with us.

I can't seem to find a Cloudbet account registered to the email address you've contacted us from. For privacy and security reasons, would you mind sending your message again from the email address you used to sign up to Cloudbet?

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Well I can't send emails from this email account. I put the account in the subject line "FastEddie@sharklasers.com". If you please grade my bet I can close this account so that I can open an account that I can send emails from. Please grade this bet, pending for six days. I can't do anything until you grade.

Bet ID2241596
Event
LiveKansas City Royals (Duffy) v Chicago White Sox (Gonzalez)
SelectionKansas City Royals Stake0.1 Price-455 StatePending TypeMultiple
Bet ID2241596 MarketWhich Team Will Win The Match, Including Overtime? Date28 May 2016 Start00:15
Event
LiveColorado Rockies (Chatwood) v San Francisco Giants (Cain)
SelectionColorado Rockies Price-334 StatePending
MarketWhich Team Will Win The Match, Including Overtime? Date28 May 2016 Start00:40
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June 03, 2016, 04:34:14 AM
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i can send emails from that address only cloudbet sees a scrambled address so they have started ignoring me.  How is it that i have all the emails they sent me if it is not my email address?  How hard is this to understand?  i hate to just give up here. 
i am no stranger to being screwed over by offshore bookies.  i lost $1500 when Betislands went down.
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June 03, 2016, 04:39:07 AM
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i can send emails from that address only cloudbet sees a scrambled address so they have started ignoring me.  How is it that i have all the emails they sent me if it is not my email address?  How hard is this to understand?  i hate to just give up here.  
i am no stranger to being screwed over by offshore bookies.  i lost $1500 when Betislands went down.

PM sent to Cloudbet. Keep us updated. Thanks

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June 03, 2016, 07:33:28 AM
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Question for DirectBet:  What would you have done if HungryStyle lost his bet?

Had the bet lost, we wouldn't have received the coins.

This would incur a loss to us, and he did not leave contact information.

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June 03, 2016, 10:07:34 AM
Last edit: June 03, 2016, 10:24:32 AM by hungerstyle
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Question for DirectBet:  What would you have done if HungryStyle lost his bet?

Had the bet lost, we wouldn't have received the coins.

This would incur a loss to us, and he did not leave contact information.

You have no proof of this and is 100% opinion and speculation.

Not only is the TX you provide prove to be before nadal begins unlike you claim but it is mathematically invalid.

The input was spend 24 hour before nadal even begins. If you dont use this exact input then it mathematically changes the hash/TXID. Since you can not spend this input at time of nadal, it is true the hash you provide is not fraud. You would need a different TX for fraud double spend.

So again there is no TXID that supports a double spend attempt AFTER nadal or any fraudulant attempt.

You ask me to post address to verify for all so we see when you send coin. I already email you the original address to verify AND the ideal new payout address both match forum and email so you know identity.  Just delay delay delay

You think not me? How come no oneelse post or write. You think just go by by with no word? Both bet? RIIIIIIIGHT. No you just delay.

I did not want you to make send to original address because I do not have control because I buy action local same day for same payout.

Same local exchnage who not help me communicate with you , very obvious why not want to support local exchange any more and to be sure before you send off randoml like bad child with temper.

Directbet, your website display confirm bet of which I make trade on. That is directbet reputation of which I was sold to to begin with.

It is one thing (although shady)as business to say our code not work correct. But wrong to confiscate without anything but 100% proof and that you not have.


Original bet payout address: 1E66h8kzMvmQobkQDDtSwxmR8SDzUxqzhd (match email)

But request payout to: 1Ff4iUkdiY1LbMjXBKb8mnpEYg1ZsHYSPM because user may want new address for infinite reason to send 3 weeks late.

If you need send 1E66, fine, atleast not bad directbet and not directbet problem

I tired of your silly email and I will post all to imgur so all can see entire way directbet to treat customer and it look like this not first time bad direcbe to player. Entire situation just show every big player to think twice before send.


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June 03, 2016, 12:59:11 PM
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DirectBet - Please keep your discussion to DirectBet only. As per thread rules, discussion on other books is not allowed and will be deleted as so not to clog up this thread. It's not fair for other books to have to come in to defend themselves.

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June 03, 2016, 03:18:49 PM
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Having read this thread and the scam accusation,  disgusting behaviour from direct bet. Coupled with the worst odds for any bitcoin sports book, or any book for that matter.  Only idiots play there.
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June 03, 2016, 05:27:44 PM
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I use third party, I give them money and they send bitcoin. I tell directbet this many time but they see chance to make quick btc.




Your so call fraud after nadal lose is already proven not true and people see your site not safe for large player


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1. This is all opinin and your biased.

2. I use a local exchange as told for quick btc. I am told to pay right after nadal win because on blockchain. I tell you this from day 1.

3. You never send an agreement so saying he not sign is not true bc you never send. My screenshot prove this. Agreement in btc is funny and mean nothing too but still you never send.  Also bet was make before event even start. You can tell by odds of bet URL and starting odd, also you claim after 1st set loss fraud send. So not live in play like you claim. You lie so many time and screenshot / odds / bet all show this.

4. Of course local exchange who english is not a skill not want to deal with you, they have they money. Deal with you is like pull teeth.  

5. They are my coin. I pay for and now you still not send agreement. I already post email screen show this.

6. I avoid posting original becuase as say not ideal address for send because much different now to send 3 weeks later.

7. Just since not log in for 24 hours does not mean guilty. Such bad logic.

8. Community agree you not as high mighty as you think you are, vote D by many senior people. You will lose big player  long run some have even message me.
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June 04, 2016, 03:39:49 AM
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i can send emails from that address only cloudbet sees a scrambled address so they have started ignoring me.  How is it that i have all the emails they sent me if it is not my email address?  How hard is this to understand?  i hate to just give up here. 
i am no stranger to being screwed over by offshore bookies.  i lost $1500 when Betislands went down.


Hi FastEddie

I'm looking into this for you. Cheers.

Apologies for the inconvenience and thanks for your patience and understanding.

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June 04, 2016, 06:12:42 AM
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@  peepsplace why do you keep deleting directbet.eu posts? Not cool unless you have something to hide.... I was just about to reply to something they posted,  but can't find it.

directbet.eu this back and fort between yourself and peepsplace is just diversionary. Why are you finding it difficult returning the stake back to hungerstyle? Is it because of the amount involved? If it were a few cents , would you  let it play out this long? It is just plain wrong. Sort this out asap. None of my business but I think you should be called to order. Other users should be made aware that you potentially could arbitrarily confisticate their funds whenever you choose to. The evidence so far points to a potential double spend attempt. But it is not conclusive, you cannot say for sure. You received the funds afterall.You already agreed to pay back the money, how about acting in good faith and doing just that instead of shifting the goal post @ every opportunity?
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@  peepsplace why do you keep deleting directbet.eu posts? Not cool unless you have something to hide.... I was just about to reply to something they posted,  but can't find it.

directbet.eu this back and fort between yourself and peepsplace is just diversionary.

We posted official response to hungerstyle with additional evidence here :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1481406.msg15068129#msg15068129

If you have any questions please reply there.

We can not have a fair discussion here because this is a self moderated thread and Peeps Place is selectively deleting our posts.

We already posted this message but Peeps Place deleted it because he wants to create an image as if we ignore you.

Peeps Place also deleted the following post as he tries to avoid answering which of his rated SportsBooks pay him to advertise and promote them.

Edit: I didn't realize peeps has his own site, thought this was referring just to the thread.

THe site has obvious banners, enough for players to assume peeps is profiting off this,  so most of my assumptions were wrong.  


Quote from: Peeps Place, original post deleted
It's not my site.

Are you still working with PeepsPlace.com ?

Can you disclose which of your rated SportsBooks pay PeepsPlace.com for advertisement now, and which paid in the past ?




Here we go again,  focusing on peeps place instead of  sorting things out with hungerstyle.

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@  peepsplace why do you keep deleting directbet.eu posts? Not cool unless you have something to hide.... I was just about to reply to something they posted,  but can't find it.

directbet.eu this back and fort between yourself and peepsplace is just diversionary. Why are you finding it difficult returning the stake back to hungerstyle? Is it because of the amount involved? If it were a few cents , would you  let it play out this long? It is just plain wrong. Sort this out asap. None of my business but I think you should be called to order. Other users should be made aware that you potentially could arbitrarily confisticate their funds whenever you choose to. The evidence so far points to a potential double spend attempt. But it is not conclusive, you cannot say for sure. You received the funds afterall.You already agreed to pay back the money, how about acting in good faith and doing just that instead of shifting the goal post @ every opportunity?

DirectBet knows the rules of the thread. Posters can say anything. Books must stick to their own book.

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Yes! I really think you should restart it as a moderated thread so visitors don't need to wade through literally tens of pages of posts from Directbet.

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DirectBet uses many ghost accounts to shill for DirectBet and bash competitors. He was completely banned from this current thread but I let him post to defend himself. DirectBet uses ghost accounts in all polls. If he goes off topic one more time, all posts will be deleted by DirectBet.

 

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