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August 03, 2016, 07:04:30 AM
Last edit: August 03, 2016, 07:21:57 AM by Peeps Place
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I am curious with directbet.eu. Why only "D"? I thought they are one of the best sports books in the bitcoin world. Can you please explain the reason why you gave them a low rating?


Directbet.eu could seize your funds whenever it pleases them then claim a double-spend. Or better still they could accuse you of a previous double spent bet that may have nothing to do with you, and then use that as an excuse to keep your coins, without showing any proof whatsoever.

Don't let their PR fool you. How any one can possibly make a profit betting against the lines they offer is beyond me. Only fools use this book.
I wanted to ask about sportsbet.io - is the case about snatching your deposit is also true in their case.
Or their -D rating is caused by some other unfavorable conditions? I thought they are fairly good.
Their low rating is the result of being so new. There haven't been any problems to date. Hopefully they will stay clean and the rating will go up with time.

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I am sorry peeps, but these excuses does not wash with me. Read through the thread again and nitrogensports categorically states that the security measure or whatever it was causing the hold up has been resolved. But jtp1109 still cannot withdraw his bitcoins. I mean they are happy to receive large deposits without delays, but they need more than four days to make a payout???

This is scandalous and there is absolutely no excuse. nitrogensoports should be downgraded immediately to F until this issue is resolved. We are talking about approximately 600btc they owe jtp1109. This dwarfs anything direct-bet stole from rangernation by a mile. And if you are in touch with them, you must urge them to resolve this issue.


no - same issues and they wont reply to me

Hey jtp1109,

There appear to be no restrictions on your account at this time. You are welcome to email support@nitrogensports.eu or submit a ticket with any specific requests.

Thanks,



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no host and they REFUSE to answer my question - Nitrogen probably doesn't have the money, what I am hearing - I am also shocked they won't answer my basic question of why my account was locked or withdrawls frozen when I had no bonus - nobody gave me an answer then and nobody gave me an answer now


This was after nitrogensports claimed all is well!
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I am sorry peeps, but these excuses does not wash with me. Read through the thread again and nitrogensports categorically states that the security measure or whatever it was causing the hold up has been resolved. But jtp1109 still cannot withdraw his bitcoins. I mean they are happy to receive large deposits without delays, but they need more than four days to make a payout???

This is scandalous and there is absolutely no excuse. nitrogensoports should be downgraded immediately to F until this issue is resolved. We are talking about approximately 600btc they owe jtp1109. This dwarfs anything direct-bet stole from rangernation by a mile. And if you are in touch with them, you must urge them to resolve this issue.


no - same issues and they wont reply to me

Hey jtp1109,

There appear to be no restrictions on your account at this time. You are welcome to email support@nitrogensports.eu or submit a ticket with any specific requests.

Thanks,



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no host and they REFUSE to answer my question - Nitrogen probably doesn't have the money, what I am hearing - I am also shocked they won't answer my basic question of why my account was locked or withdrawls frozen when I had no bonus - nobody gave me an answer then and nobody gave me an answer now


This was after nitrogensports claimed all is well!
Talked with Nitrogen and they say that they are in contact with the player and there should be an update today. I need the player to give me permission to look into his account to go further.

The players at DirectBet gave me permission to look into their claims.

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Just another example of what I meant : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570322.0

There are complaints, just not posted as much or got as much publicity as the DB case.

Cloudbet has problems every weekend and it's reflected in their "C" rating. Many of the complaints are posted in this thread. Cloudbet hasn't stolen any money from their players. If I send a PM to Cloudbet they will answer all questions. If asked, they will reply in this thread. All of their problems are with delays.

DirectBet's margins are the highest of all books. DirectBet has stolen funds from 3 different players. They won't show proof of problems and they state that their decision is final. If a book is going to confiscate funds, they need to show solid proof justifying the confiscation.

A major purpose of this thread is to warn players of books that may not pay out. DirectBet's model is set up so that others will lose money in the future.




Betcoin is currently untrusted and had their bid to advertise on this forum rejected by Theymos due to negative reputation.

Beginning this week, members who promote Betcoin will likely receive negative trust for doing so.

Go watch their forum and chat room if you're interested in reading about payout delays and other issues with sportsbook.  Read their trust feedback if you want to know what a scummy site they are in general.



TwitchySeal - You've added a lot of pertinent and useful information to this thread but one question, why did you say that about Theymos? I took a look into your post since you've been critical of Betcoinsports in the past. OgNasty has a trust rating of 290. He joined in 2011 and is part of the Betcoin.ag signature campaign.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321

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Betcoin bid to advertise on this forum, theymos rejected the bid because of their negative trust rating. 

As for ognasty, I'm going to give him a chance to respond for himself.

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August 03, 2016, 09:47:46 PM
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I give directbet.eu to 5 stars. I don't know why it has only D- rating. It's the only site I know that has instant withdrawals directly to your wallet instead of an online acount which is completely unhealthy. I prefer to keep my coins in my pocket, not in a random place. I hope every other gambling site follow same steps and give up "account" systems. Every day we hear about some accounts hacked and funds lost news.
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August 03, 2016, 11:00:42 PM
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I give directbet.eu to 5 stars. I don't know why it has only D- rating.
Margins that are extremely high is the first reason that comes to mind. Try comparing odds - You will find them a lot lower than what other sites offer, more than 99% of the time.


I think a D- is still too high for sportsbet.io. My reasoning behind this is that they took over a month and a half to remove a false statement (the best odds possible on all major events). I challenged that claim in early June, in this post. They finally changed it after this post, on July 19th. Conveniently after the Euro 2016, their original target audience, and even with the change, they pretended that there was nothing wrong the entire time. A few posts were made by me between those periods, either without a response.
Other important notes:
June 18 - They admitted to only having above average odds

June 19 - Defending the claim by saying it's unfair that I get to decide what a major event is. I challenged them to pick an event where they have the best odds. No response to that challenge.

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August 04, 2016, 12:21:37 AM
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I give directbet.eu to 5 stars. I don't know why it has only D- rating.
Margins that are extremely high is the first reason that comes to mind. Try comparing odds - You will find them a lot lower than what other sites offer, more than 99% of the time.


I think a D- is still too high for sportsbet.io. My reasoning behind this is that they took over a month and a half to remove a false statement (the best odds possible on all major events). I challenged that claim in early June, in this post. They finally changed it after this post, on July 19th. Conveniently after the Euro 2016, their original target audience, and even with the change, they pretended that there was nothing wrong the entire time. A few posts were made by me between those periods, either without a response.
Other important notes:
June 18 - They admitted to only having above average odds

June 19 - Defending the claim by saying it's unfair that I get to decide what a major event is. I challenged them to pick an event where they have the best odds. No response to that challenge.

It was good to see you call them out. That type of unfounded claim does hurt a reputation.

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August 07, 2016, 06:25:49 PM
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Nitrogen player paid in full.

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Nitrogen player paid in full.



Yes, nice of them...after frustrating their customer. But at least he got his money.
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August 11, 2016, 04:50:02 AM
Last edit: August 11, 2016, 05:01:58 AM by Peeps Place
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Books- Anyone else besides Nitrogen having a free or pay NFL Survivor Pool? Feel free to post a link if you have one.


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August 11, 2016, 05:10:02 AM
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Just another example of what I meant : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570322.0

There are complaints, just not posted as much or got as much publicity as the DB case.

Cloudbet has problems every weekend and it's reflected in their "C" rating. Many of the complaints are posted in this thread. Cloudbet hasn't stolen any money from their players. If I send a PM to Cloudbet they will answer all questions. If asked, they will reply in this thread. All of their problems are with delays.

DirectBet's margins are the highest of all books. DirectBet has stolen funds from 3 different players. They won't show proof of problems and they state that their decision is final. If a book is going to confiscate funds, they need to show solid proof justifying the confiscation.

A major purpose of this thread is to warn players of books that may not pay out. DirectBet's model is set up so that others will lose money in the future.




Betcoin is currently untrusted and had their bid to advertise on this forum rejected by Theymos due to negative reputation.

Beginning this week, members who promote Betcoin will likely receive negative trust for doing so.

Go watch their forum and chat room if you're interested in reading about payout delays and other issues with sportsbook.  Read their trust feedback if you want to know what a scummy site they are in general.



TwitchySeal - You've added a lot of pertinent and useful information to this thread but one question, why did you say that about Theymos? I took a look into your post since you've been critical of Betcoinsports in the past. OgNasty has a trust rating of 290. He joined in 2011 and is part of the Betcoin.ag signature campaign.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321

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Betcoin bid to advertise on this forum, theymos rejected the bid because of their negative trust rating. 

As for ognasty, I'm going to give him a chance to respond for himself.

Check this thread before making any conclusions about OGNastys decision to promote Betcoin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1582065.0

What's next excuse Peeps?

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August 11, 2016, 05:47:01 AM
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theymos rejected betcoin.ag? Shocked  There was a scam called betcoin.tm, people complaint but mods said they don't care about the site is scam or not.

Btw I think those 2 betcoin are not good now.

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August 11, 2016, 06:09:53 AM
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theymos rejected betcoin.ag? Shocked 
Yes.

5 @ 0.9

Sorry, but you currently have negative trust from my perspective, so I will not accept your bid.



There was a scam called betcoin.tm, people complaint but mods said they don't care about the site is scam or not.

Btw I think those 2 betcoin are not good now.
Betcoin.tm doesn't pay big winners and should certainly be classified as a scam.

Betcoin.ag has no relation to Betcoin.tm 

Betcoin.ag doesn't have issues with paying winners and saying they are not a scam is a valid argument.
However, an online casinos ethical responsibilities do not start and end with "processing cashouts and compensating those who complain"

Rather than fix their mistakes (which happen regularly and have resulted in huge sums of money not being paid to entitled players ) they do whatever they can to cover them up. 
They put a ridiculous amount of effort and money into convincing the public they are honest and transparent while blatantly lying and paying people (coughcough...peeps...coughcough) to kiss their ass and attack anyone who criticizes them.

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Just another example of what I meant : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570322.0

There are complaints, just not posted as much or got as much publicity as the DB case.

Cloudbet has problems every weekend and it's reflected in their "C" rating. Many of the complaints are posted in this thread. Cloudbet hasn't stolen any money from their players. If I send a PM to Cloudbet they will answer all questions. If asked, they will reply in this thread. All of their problems are with delays.

DirectBet's margins are the highest of all books. DirectBet has stolen funds from 3 different players. They won't show proof of problems and they state that their decision is final. If a book is going to confiscate funds, they need to show solid proof justifying the confiscation.

A major purpose of this thread is to warn players of books that may not pay out. DirectBet's model is set up so that others will lose money in the future.




Betcoin is currently untrusted and had their bid to advertise on this forum rejected by Theymos due to negative reputation.

Beginning this week, members who promote Betcoin will likely receive negative trust for doing so.

Go watch their forum and chat room if you're interested in reading about payout delays and other issues with sportsbook.  Read their trust feedback if you want to know what a scummy site they are in general.



TwitchySeal - You've added a lot of pertinent and useful information to this thread but one question, why did you say that about Theymos? I took a look into your post since you've been critical of Betcoinsports in the past. OgNasty has a trust rating of 290. He joined in 2011 and is part of the Betcoin.ag signature campaign.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321

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Betcoin bid to advertise on this forum, theymos rejected the bid because of their negative trust rating. 

As for ognasty, I'm going to give him a chance to respond for himself.

Check this thread before making any conclusions about OGNastys decision to promote Betcoin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1582065.0

What's next excuse Peeps?
TwitchySeal - As I posted earlier you've added great insight to this thread. That said, I play at Betcoinsports and haven't had a problem. I know that there have been some large payouts from Betcoinsports. The sportsbook is all that is graded in this thread. They seem to be fairly good sized organization and are open to questions that are asked of them.

If someone won over $50k at a sportsbook, Betcoinsports is one of the few that are able to pay you with no problem

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Just to clarify, was it betcoin.ag or betcoin.tm which refused on paying out the jackpot recently because it was the gaming platforms fault on their site ?


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August 11, 2016, 06:36:56 AM
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Just to clarify, was it betcoin.ag or betcoin.tm which refused on paying out the jackpot recently because it was the gaming platforms fault on their site ?


I'm not sure which one was accused of the jackpot but Betcoinsports.com is the same as Betcoin.ag.

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August 11, 2016, 06:38:24 AM
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Just to clarify, was it betcoin.ag or betcoin.tm which refused on paying out the jackpot recently because it was the gaming platforms fault on their site ?


I'm not sure which one was accused of the jackpot but  Betcoinsports.com is the same as Betcoin.ag.

betcoin.ag was accused of the jackpot.

betcoin.tm was accuse of dice cheating(in 2014)  fake 100 btc bonus(lure deposits, and never pay)
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August 11, 2016, 07:06:56 AM
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DirectBet not paying a .06 BTC bettor. They are accusing him of double spend.

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August 11, 2016, 03:28:41 PM
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FYI - Our brand new sportsbook going live this week, free 15 mBTC bets to all registered users that have made at least 1 deposit in the past 3 years to celebrate!

We'll share more once we're live!

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FYI - Our brand new sportsbook going live this week, free 15 mBTC bets to all registered users that have made at least 1 deposit in the past 3 years to celebrate!

We'll share more once we're live!


Well nice to see another sportsbook to play with. Is that the one on your signature?
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