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February 03, 2017, 04:52:59 AM
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1xbit downgraded to "F" until this matter is resolved.

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February 03, 2017, 04:57:35 AM
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Only 3 books are recommended until after the Super Bowl.

"A" rated books
nitrogensports.eu A+ (2012)
betcoin.ag A- (2013)

"B"rated books
bitcoinrush.io B (2013)

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February 05, 2017, 12:27:59 AM
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Looking at the Super Bowl.

Bitcoinrush has free squares.
Nitrogen and Bitcoinrush tons of props.
Nitrogen and Betcoin lots of alternate lines.

GL to all in the SB.

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February 06, 2017, 04:07:15 PM
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Post all payouts that take longer than 12 hours.

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February 08, 2017, 07:24:43 AM
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Post all payouts that take longer than 12 hours.

Some guys had more than 24 hours delayed withdrawals after Super Bowl, some even suspect Cloudbet will be an exit scam? Cloudbet forum rep is active to check the forum situation(last active 2nd of Feb), but not reply to players for a long time, what is such support?  Shocked

24 hours delayed withdrawals:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg17758904#msg17758904
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg17768249#msg17768249

They are newbie accounts, so I think they don't know your rating thread, since I post here, try to help them.

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February 08, 2017, 10:13:54 AM
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Post all payouts that take longer than 12 hours.

Some guys had more than 24 hours delayed withdrawals after Super Bowl, some even suspect Cloudbet will be an exit scam? Cloudbet forum rep is active to check the forum situation(last active 2nd of Feb), but not reply to players for a long time, what is such support?  Shocked

24 hours delayed withdrawals:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg17758904#msg17758904
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg17768249#msg17768249

They are newbie accounts, so I think they don't know your rating thread, since I post here, try to help them.


Thanks for this information. I'll contact Cloudbet.

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February 08, 2017, 10:15:22 AM
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Only 3 books are recommended until after the Super Bowl.

"A" rated books
nitrogensports.eu A+ (2012)
betcoin.ag A- (2013)

"B"rated books
bitcoinrush.io B (2013)
SBR user rating A+

- 5Dimes

- BetAnySports

- BetOnline
We are going to keep this thread to bitcoin only books. Books accepting fiat currencies are excluded.

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February 08, 2017, 10:31:31 AM
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A PM was sent to 1xbit on Feb. 2nd. They have not replied yet. Due to this, the recent confiscation, as well as confiscations with sister book 1xbet, 1xbit will remain rated "F".

"A" rated books
nitrogensports.eu A+ (2012)
betcoin.ag A- (2013)

"B"rated books
bitcoinrush.io B (2013)

"C" rated books
sportsbet.io C (2016)
anonibet.com  C- (2011)
cloudbet.com C-(2013)

"D" rated books
coinbet24.com D+ (2015)
lunarbets.eu D (2016)
powerbet.io D (2016)
directbet.eu D- (2014)




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betbtc.co (2014)
fairlay.com (2014)
betmatch.is (2016

Prediction Markets
btcbet.us (2016)
betmoose.com (2014)
predictious.com  (2013)

Mutual Betting
Onehash.com


"F" rated books
1xbit F (2016) ...............confiscated 4.3 BTC from player. Associated with 1xbet that has made other confiscations.
Ball2Win F ..........................accepting deposits. They are under the same license as "F" book gobetgo
BetCas F ............................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
BTCBonusBook (2015).......... accepting deposits with no payout history.
Casinoco (2015)...................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Coindrafts F (2014)
Webetcoins F (2014
Bitbm F .............................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Ghostbook (TOR)
Gobetgo F (2013)
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F

BetVIP - closed 6/12/15

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February 11, 2017, 10:58:21 AM
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powerbet.io  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710755.0


lol, powerbet.io deleted most of my posts 2 weeks ago and today they deleted the last 2 ones

They could delete these 2 posts 2 weeks ago but they did it only today

Perhaps they are in big trouble



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As i see you are an 1xbet/1xbit clone  (on markets and odds with different layout)

You cant void bets saying that the bettor is an arbitrag bettor, this is bullshit

Some traditional bookmakers tired to make such rules that arbitrage betting is not allowed ,   none of them in businnes now
And of corse if you would have  any gambling license then it wont take too long, if the bettor make a complaint to the regulator and you try to explain it you void those bets because of arbitraging


You have only the right to limit the user and if you detect he makes another account you can freeze it, if you have such rules that only one account allowed.


so you have to resettle those bets according to results




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https://powerbet.io/pages/terms
As i see  there is nothing about arbitrage betting in your tos  

Which is mega lol because until now i thought you have such rules

So you have no right to void any bets saying arbitrage betting


Jetwin also using such words " for recreational players" but as I remeber they voided my bets because they were very slow to update their lines and they voided them before the match started not afterwards and not only the winner ones, so mega unfair from powerbet


For me is very recreational  to get out a lot of money from the sportsbet industry  via arbitrage betting, it is free money , very  recreational  , it is so refreshing for me Wink

Please define what means recreational for you powerbet , i am not an expert in such not common words meaning






Since we got his approval, here are just a few bets that contain clear indications of arbitrage betting (the 1st and most important is the stake value, than betting on double result - aggressive arbitrage - and - not to be ignored - the leagues the bets are placed on, which can also be a sign of arbitrage), of a rather long list:

Sc-esv Parndorf vs Ask Royal Sped Klingenbach   Asian Handicap -1.5 Stake 92.27

Arsenal Tula vs Shakhtyor Karagandy Asian Handicap -1.5 Stake 51.39

Lokomotiv Moscow vs Cska Sofia   Three Way - Cska Sofia Stake 40.04

Lokomotiv Moscow vs Cska Sofia   Three Way - Draw Stake 51.82

The list can continue with stakes such as: 15.79, 8.84, 66.18, 132.21, 36.49, 94.05, 94.85, 58.61, 40.37 and so on.

For the punter, we strongly suggest this article: http://sportsarbitrageguide.com/avoiding_bookmaker_limits.php


This is probably behavioural pattern of an arber but its not actually proof that the customer is arbing.

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Another question :

Did you void the winner bets only  or the loser ones too ?




Only winner bets. After last two wins my balance should have been 510 mbtc and thay updated it to 0. No details nothing and just banned me permanently.


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February 11, 2017, 11:13:39 AM
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FYI -

We've updated our initial list of props, right now we have over 325 different Prop Bets available to bet on with Bitcoin. This list will grow as we get closer to the game, so be sure to check them out daily!

Also, just like the past 4 years, we are offering Squares Pools to our loyal players! At the moment we have 3 pools, a free version where we've added 500 mBTC to the prize pool, and two paid versions where the cost to play is just 5 or 10 mBTC per square. If we fill up quickly and there is more demand, we'll open up more pools before the Big Game!


Thanks Peep and the Community!


Your site is awesome, honest, famous and long existed. But the disadvantage is UI is outdated, very old school, you have attracted less new custoners than other awesome GUI websites.
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February 11, 2017, 01:21:22 PM
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powerbet.io  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710755.0


lol, powerbet.io deleted most of my posts 2 weeks ago and today they deleted the last 2 ones

They could delete these 2 posts 2 weeks ago but they did it only today

Perhaps they are in big trouble



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As i see you are an 1xbet/1xbit clone  (on markets and odds with different layout)

You cant void bets saying that the bettor is an arbitrag bettor, this is bullshit

Some traditional bookmakers tired to make such rules that arbitrage betting is not allowed ,   none of them in businnes now
And of corse if you would have  any gambling license then it wont take too long, if the bettor make a complaint to the regulator and you try to explain it you void those bets because of arbitraging


You have only the right to limit the user and if you detect he makes another account you can freeze it, if you have such rules that only one account allowed.


so you have to resettle those bets according to results




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https://powerbet.io/pages/terms
As i see  there is nothing about arbitrage betting in your tos  

Which is mega lol because until now i thought you have such rules

So you have no right to void any bets saying arbitrage betting


Jetwin also using such words " for recreational players" but as I remeber they voided my bets because they were very slow to update their lines and they voided them before the match started not afterwards and not only the winner ones, so mega unfair from powerbet


For me is very recreational  to get out a lot of money from the sportsbet industry  via arbitrage betting, it is free money , very  recreational  , it is so refreshing for me Wink

Please define what means recreational for you powerbet , i am not an expert in such not common words meaning






Since we got his approval, here are just a few bets that contain clear indications of arbitrage betting (the 1st and most important is the stake value, than betting on double result - aggressive arbitrage - and - not to be ignored - the leagues the bets are placed on, which can also be a sign of arbitrage), of a rather long list:

Sc-esv Parndorf vs Ask Royal Sped Klingenbach   Asian Handicap -1.5 Stake 92.27

Arsenal Tula vs Shakhtyor Karagandy Asian Handicap -1.5 Stake 51.39

Lokomotiv Moscow vs Cska Sofia   Three Way - Cska Sofia Stake 40.04

Lokomotiv Moscow vs Cska Sofia   Three Way - Draw Stake 51.82

The list can continue with stakes such as: 15.79, 8.84, 66.18, 132.21, 36.49, 94.05, 94.85, 58.61, 40.37 and so on.

For the punter, we strongly suggest this article: http://sportsarbitrageguide.com/avoiding_bookmaker_limits.php


This is probably behavioural pattern of an arber but its not actually proof that the customer is arbing.

+1

Another question :

Did you void the winner bets only  or the loser ones too ?




Only winner bets. After last two wins my balance should have been 510 mbtc and thay updated it to 0. No details nothing and just banned me permanently.



We have this healthy habit of deleting useless "educated" (actually pure troll posts that won't change our policy against arbers) posts from random people. The arbiter complaint is there as well as our resolution to it. We consider this enough info for potential arbitrators to decide if they want to try their luck with us. As mentioned before, anyone can feel free to start their own thread about arbitrage policies of various bookies, including us of course, but please refrain yourself from posting such oppinions on our thread.

@OP, sorry for the intrusion on your thread - a very good one actually, but we felt this forum user that we quoted deserved a final reply from us. Maybe more arbitrators will finally understand that we have a strict policy against arbitrage, and we'll retroactively void arbitrage bets once deemed as such by clear indicators.

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powerbet.io  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710755.0


lol, powerbet.io deleted most of my posts 2 weeks ago and today they deleted the last 2 ones

They could delete these 2 posts 2 weeks ago but they did it only today

Perhaps they are in big trouble



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As i see you are an 1xbet/1xbit clone  (on markets and odds with different layout)

You cant void bets saying that the bettor is an arbitrag bettor, this is bullshit

Some traditional bookmakers tired to make such rules that arbitrage betting is not allowed ,   none of them in businnes now
And of corse if you would have  any gambling license then it wont take too long, if the bettor make a complaint to the regulator and you try to explain it you void those bets because of arbitraging


You have only the right to limit the user and if you detect he makes another account you can freeze it, if you have such rules that only one account allowed.


so you have to resettle those bets according to results




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Admin try to delete my post again , we will see it was worth



https://powerbet.io/pages/terms
As i see  there is nothing about arbitrage betting in your tos  

Which is mega lol because until now i thought you have such rules

So you have no right to void any bets saying arbitrage betting


Jetwin also using such words " for recreational players" but as I remeber they voided my bets because they were very slow to update their lines and they voided them before the match started not afterwards and not only the winner ones, so mega unfair from powerbet


For me is very recreational  to get out a lot of money from the sportsbet industry  via arbitrage betting, it is free money , very  recreational  , it is so refreshing for me Wink

Please define what means recreational for you powerbet , i am not an expert in such not common words meaning






Since we got his approval, here are just a few bets that contain clear indications of arbitrage betting (the 1st and most important is the stake value, than betting on double result - aggressive arbitrage - and - not to be ignored - the leagues the bets are placed on, which can also be a sign of arbitrage), of a rather long list:

Sc-esv Parndorf vs Ask Royal Sped Klingenbach   Asian Handicap -1.5 Stake 92.27

Arsenal Tula vs Shakhtyor Karagandy Asian Handicap -1.5 Stake 51.39

Lokomotiv Moscow vs Cska Sofia   Three Way - Cska Sofia Stake 40.04

Lokomotiv Moscow vs Cska Sofia   Three Way - Draw Stake 51.82

The list can continue with stakes such as: 15.79, 8.84, 66.18, 132.21, 36.49, 94.05, 94.85, 58.61, 40.37 and so on.

For the punter, we strongly suggest this article: http://sportsarbitrageguide.com/avoiding_bookmaker_limits.php


This is probably behavioural pattern of an arber but its not actually proof that the customer is arbing.

+1

Another question :

Did you void the winner bets only  or the loser ones too ?




Only winner bets. After last two wins my balance should have been 510 mbtc and thay updated it to 0. No details nothing and just banned me permanently.



We have this healthy habit of deleting useless "educated" (actually pure troll posts that won't change our policy against arbers) posts from random people. The arbiter complaint is there as well as our resolution to it. We consider this enough info for potential arbitrators to decide if they want to try their luck with us. As mentioned before, anyone can feel free to start their own thread about arbitrage policies of various bookies, including us of course, but please refrain yourself from posting such oppinions on our thread.

@OP, sorry for the intrusion on your thread - a very good one actually, but we felt this forum user that we quoted deserved a final reply from us. Maybe more arbitrators will finally understand that we have a strict policy against arbitrage, and we'll retroactively void arbitrage bets once deemed as such by clear indicators.

Hi powerbet,

Thanks for posting and feel free to post at any time.

The recreational bettor only clause is standard and used by most books.

As far as arbs go, are you talking in-house arbs where the player buys back the other side at powerbet to gain a profit. All bets are at powerbet? If that's the case, then you can cancel wagers.

If you are assuming that a player is an arbitrage player using powerbet with another book, then the accusation of a player being an arbitrage bettor isn't valid.

As far as the bonus goes, when a book has 100% bonus with an 8x rollover, it's going to draw many that multi-account. A book that accuses a player of multi-accounting must have air tight evidence that the player did indeed break the rules by multi-accounting.

This thread is a player protection thread. The rules that you have in place that have been invoked are for lower tiered books that should be avoided. Top books do not confiscate winnings.

You can ban a player, limit a player, but never confiscate winnings. A book that cancels winners free rolls players. The book keeps the losers and voids the winners. This isn't acceptable.

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February 12, 2017, 02:55:39 AM
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Only 3 books are recommended until after the Super Bowl.

"A" rated books
nitrogensports.eu A+ (2012)
betcoin.ag A- (2013)

"B"rated books
bitcoinrush.io B (2013)
SBR user rating A+

- 5Dimes

- BetAnySports

- BetOnline

We are going to keep this thread to bitcoin only books. Books accepting fiat currencies are excluded.
Thank you for the info. Smiley

Thread title suggestion: #1 RATINGS of bitcoin only SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all.
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"A" rated books
nitrogensports.eu A+ (2012)
betcoin.ag A- (2013)

"B"rated books
bitcoinrush.io B (2013)

"C" rated books
sportsbet.io C (2016)
anonibet.com  C- (2011)
cloudbet.com C-(2013)

"D" rated books
coinbet24.com D+ (2015)
lunarbets.eu D (2016)
powerbet.io D (2016)
directbet.eu D (2014)




Exchanges
betbtc.co (2014)
fairlay.com (2014)
betmatch.is (2016

Prediction Markets
btcbet.us (2016)
betmoose.com (2014)
predictious.com  (2013)

Mutual Betting
Onehash.com


"F" rated books
1xbit F (2016) ...............confiscated 4.3 BTC from player. Associated with 1xbet that has made other confiscations.
Ball2Win F ..........................accepting deposits. They are under the same license as "F" book gobetgo
BetCas F ............................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
BTCBonusBook (2015).......... accepting deposits with no payout history.
Casinoco (2015)...................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Coindrafts F (2014)
Webetcoins F (2014
Bitbm F .............................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Ghostbook (TOR)
Gobetgo F (2013)
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F

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The case between h4ns and 1xbit has been resolved. The rating will be upgraded when complete details are known.

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Added live streaming to the grid. Betcoin added live streaming eSports. Also added provably fair. Both Nitrogen and Betcoin are provably fair.

https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-sports-completes-another-major-update




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February 16, 2017, 10:33:31 AM
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Your A- rated betcoin.ag sportsbook is recently in free fall on Alexa Global Rank: 163,185 - 55,576 = 51% down within 2 months!

So it might be dangerous to bet there...

- Betcoin.ag Alexa ranks: Global Rank:  163,185 - 55,576 = 51% down   Rank in US: 66,962  

- NitrogenSports Alexa ranks: Global Rank: 51,627 + 12,032 = 20% up   Rank in US: 12,591

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February 16, 2017, 12:07:11 PM
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Your A- rated betcoin.ag sportsbook is recently in free fall on Alexa Global Rank: 163,185 - 55,576 = 51% down within 2 months!

So it might be dangerous to bet there...

- Betcoin.ag Alexa ranks: Global Rank:  163,185 - 55,576 = 51% down   Rank in US: 66,962  

- NitrogenSports Alexa ranks: Global Rank: 51,627 + 12,032 = 20% up   Rank in US: 12,591

Alexa is valid to trust or not?

It´s only to check visitors

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February 16, 2017, 02:26:22 PM
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Your A- rated betcoin.ag sportsbook is recently in free fall on Alexa Global Rank: 163,185 - 55,576 = 51% down within 2 months!

So it might be dangerous to bet there...

- Betcoin.ag Alexa ranks: Global Rank:  163,185 - 55,576 = 51% down   Rank in US: 66,962  

- NitrogenSports Alexa ranks: Global Rank: 51,627 + 12,032 = 20% up   Rank in US: 12,591

Alexa is valid to trust or not?

It´s only to check visitors

That's right. Still in my opinion, Nitrogensports beats Betcoin.ag in both trust and popularity.
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Your A- rated betcoin.ag sportsbook is recently in free fall on Alexa Global Rank: 163,185 - 55,576 = 51% down within 2 months!

So it might be dangerous to bet there...

- Betcoin.ag Alexa ranks: Global Rank:  163,185 - 55,576 = 51% down   Rank in US: 66,962  

- NitrogenSports Alexa ranks: Global Rank: 51,627 + 12,032 = 20% up   Rank in US: 12,591

You have to have an Alexa toolbar to measure Alexa traffic. Alexa is easily manipulated. The bitcoin market is dominated by Nitrogen (#1), Cloudbet, then Betcoin.

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