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May 28, 2016, 02:44:31 PM
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Cloudbet 11 hours and still has not graded this 2 team live betting baseball parlay from last night
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May 28, 2016, 03:50:04 PM
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we have directdice.eu The best site to bet on Internet



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May 29, 2016, 12:51:30 AM
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I am glad to see my sportsbook nitrogensports.eu got a rated A. They really deserved that because they have a very trusted site, the withdrawal and deposit is instant and the UI is very simple, plus you have the chat room, really love to bet there.
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May 29, 2016, 01:44:45 AM
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Now directbet want to have 3rd party local exchange communicate with them. Wtf. Avoid direcbet

It one thing to void play when DB say confirm and admit bad code and other to not return.


Direct bet give run around for many days.


DirectBet<support@directbet.eu>   Sat, May 28, 2016 at 6:01 PM
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Yes, we would like to speak with the person who actually sent this bet
transfer.

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I think them pay player is detrimental to they business model. Seriously big player really not use direct bet, not safe. They look for all way to not pay or return btcs
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May 29, 2016, 08:45:26 AM
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I'm wondering why DirectBet is classified as a D-class sportsbook. For me that's the best : largest choice of events, quickest payment, altcoins, most comprehensive support...
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Cloudbet 11 hours and still has not graded this 2 team live betting baseball parlay from last night
Pending   Event
LiveKansas City Royals (Duffy) v Chicago White Sox (Gonzalez)
   SelectionKansas City Royals   Stake0.1   Price-455   StatePending   TypeMultiple   
Bet ID2241596   MarketWhich Team Will Win The Match, Including Overtime?   Date28 May 2016   Start00:15         
   Event
LiveColorado Rockies (Chatwood) v San Francisco Giants (Cain)
   SelectionColorado Rockies      Price-334   StatePending      
   MarketWhich Team Will Win The Match, Including Overtime?   Date28 May 2016   Start00:40         

over 40 hours later still ungraded by Cloudbet.  I sent an email to there support yesterday.
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May 30, 2016, 04:29:36 AM
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I'm wondering why DirectBet is classified as a D-class sportsbook. For me that's the best : largest choice of events, quickest payment, altcoins, most comprehensive support...
i guess it's because of 36btc confiscated from hungerstyle case , and peepsplace "one sided" rated it as D . if you take a look to the accusation thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1481406.0 looks like the case isn't finished yet and peeps downgraded DB to "D" just for a warning maybe , if the case solved and DB found a good solution for both hungerstyle and DB i think they could recovered to B+ or even better.

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I'm wondering why DirectBet is classified as a D-class sportsbook. For me that's the best : largest choice of events, quickest payment, altcoins, most comprehensive support...
i guess it's because of 36btc confiscated from hungerstyle case , and peepsplace "one sided" rated it as D . if you take a look to the accusation thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1481406.0 looks like the case isn't finished yet and peeps downgraded DB to "D" just for a warning maybe , if the case solved and DB found a good solution for both hungerstyle and DB i think they could recovered to B+ or even better.

Unresolved issue but give bad ratings, I mean the decline in ratings Directbet.eu ? do you think that's fair?
it should be if the problem has not been resolved no one harmed not Directbet.eu also not hungerstyle , OP should give a sign that the site was to have a problem unresolved not unilaterally lower the rating Directbet.eu. If the OP  do this can be said he supports hungerstyle privately not publicly.
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May 30, 2016, 04:52:19 AM
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I'm wondering why DirectBet is classified as a D-class sportsbook. For me that's the best : largest choice of events, quickest payment, altcoins, most comprehensive support...
i guess it's because of 36btc confiscated from hungerstyle case , and peepsplace "one sided" rated it as D . if you take a look to the accusation thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1481406.0 looks like the case isn't finished yet and peeps downgraded DB to "D" just for a warning maybe , if the case solved and DB found a good solution for both hungerstyle and DB i think they could recovered to B+ or even better.
looks like the case isn't finished yet and peeps downgraded DB to "D" just for a warning maybe , if the case solved and DB found a good solution for both hungerstyle and DB i think they could recovered to B+ or even better.

DirectBet has not paid off the winning bet or provided enough evidence to justify their decision to not pay a winning bet of 47BTC

If he were to prove there was a 99% chance that the guy was a scammer, it would still be wrong to to not pay out the bet.

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May 30, 2016, 03:11:46 PM
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Is anyone still waiting on a withdrawal from Cloudbet?

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May 30, 2016, 03:20:05 PM
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Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security.

He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?

There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.

No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.

When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions.

In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret.

The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business.

If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time.
DirectBet - RHaver did an excellent job in replying to your post above. goxcroft and Twitchy Seal also made excellent posts.

A quick summary of what happened is that a player deposited 36 BTC, approximately $16,500 at the time, with Directbet. Without losing a bet, DirectBet is keeping his 36 BTC. No top book will ever confiscate a player's deposit.

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May 30, 2016, 03:29:20 PM
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I'm wondering why DirectBet is classified as a D-class sportsbook. For me that's the best : largest choice of events, quickest payment, altcoins, most comprehensive support...
i guess it's because of 36btc confiscated from hungerstyle case , and peepsplace "one sided" rated it as D . if you take a look to the accusation thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1481406.0 looks like the case isn't finished yet and peeps downgraded DB to "D" just for a warning maybe , if the case solved and DB found a good solution for both hungerstyle and DB i think they could recovered to B+ or even better.

Unresolved issue but give bad ratings, I mean the decline in ratings Directbet.eu ? do you think that's fair?
it should be if the problem has not been resolved no one harmed not Directbet.eu also not hungerstyle , OP should give a sign that the site was to have a problem unresolved not unilaterally lower the rating Directbet.eu. If the OP  do this can be said he supports hungerstyle privately not publicly.
just my opinion

This is the second time that DirectBet has confiscated funds. This thread is for the benefit of the players. We need poster input to determine the grades.

It's obvious that some of the posters in disagreement with DirectBet have been around the block. Their opinions cannot be ignored and their posts are appreciated.

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May 30, 2016, 05:21:23 PM
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Directbet has ask to post btc address to remove doubt for all

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15022212#msg15022212
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May 31, 2016, 06:17:58 PM
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we have directdice.eu The best site to bet on Internet






I agree with you .
directbet.eu Very fast


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May 31, 2016, 06:20:03 PM
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Directbet still not return bet or bet win amount. I post to reddit today to warn all others player of scam book. Peep is correct with no top book ever to treat player this way.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15035482#msg15035482
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May 31, 2016, 06:32:08 PM
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According to me cloudbet is the best which is not rated very much..i has a very good variety of in play games include most of the sports..my vote is for cloudbet
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May 31, 2016, 06:50:34 PM
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Now directbet not think I am original person even with bet come from casino coin account with them site. Authenticate by email + password.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15035797#msg15035797


Big player should avoid directbet for not safe
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May 31, 2016, 11:14:48 PM
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Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security.

He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?

There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.

No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.

When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions.

In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret.

The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business.

If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time.
DirectBet - RHaver did an excellent job in replying to your post above. goxcroft and Twitchy Seal also made excellent posts.

A quick summary of what happened is that a player deposited 36 BTC, approximately $16,500 at the time, with Directbet. Without losing a bet, DirectBet is keeping his 36 BTC. No top book will ever confiscate a player's deposit.
this double spend case really confusing , but for simply example can you imagine if the bet were lost and (he) hungerstyle voided the bets by double spending the transaction?

you must look at 2 sides , player and bookmaker. if everytime double spender provided a payout like what you suggest all bitcoin bookmakers will declared bankrupt!

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Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security.

He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?

There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.

No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.

When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions.

In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret.

The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business.

If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time.
DirectBet - RHaver did an excellent job in replying to your post above. goxcroft and Twitchy Seal also made excellent posts.

A quick summary of what happened is that a player deposited 36 BTC, approximately $16,500 at the time, with Directbet. Without losing a bet, DirectBet is keeping his 36 BTC. No top book will ever confiscate a player's deposit.
this double spend case really confusing , but for simply example can you imagine if the bet were lost and (he) hungerstyle voided the bets by double spending the transaction?

you must look at 2 sides , player and bookmaker. if everytime double spender provided a payout like what you suggest all bitcoin bookmakers will declared bankrupt!

Not all double spend attempts are intentional.  It could happen to anyone.

Many sites require at least one confirmation (or more) to prevent being exploited by double spend attempts.  

I assume DirectBet knows this and chooses not to require 1 confirm in hopes it will attract more players.  

If a site is going to accept 0 confirm deposits they should expect players to try and exploit this.  They should also expect innocent double spends to happen.  There are two ways of handling these situations.

A) Make sure they are never scammed and seize any bets with suspicious double spend attempts.
Result: Scammers will never succeed but inevitable innocent players will not be paid causing damage to DB reputation.

B) Pay out every bet unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a wager was made with the intention of exploiting the house.
Result:  They will end up losing funds to scammers, which will encourage more scammers to scam more, but DB will maintain their exceptional reputation for being trustworthy.

Of course, there could be other ways to prevent these situations (accepting action from 0 confirm deposits from only established players for example)  .  If I were them, that's what I would be focusing on.

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Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security.

He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?

There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.

No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.

When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions.

In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret.

The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business.

If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time.
DirectBet - RHaver did an excellent job in replying to your post above. goxcroft and Twitchy Seal also made excellent posts.

A quick summary of what happened is that a player deposited 36 BTC, approximately $16,500 at the time, with Directbet. Without losing a bet, DirectBet is keeping his 36 BTC. No top book will ever confiscate a player's deposit.
this double spend case really confusing , but for simply example can you imagine if the bet were lost and (he) hungerstyle voided the bets by double spending the transaction?

you must look at 2 sides , player and bookmaker. if everytime double spender provided a payout like what you suggest all bitcoin bookmakers will declared bankrupt!
It's DirectBet's fault for employing this type of system. Other's have stated that attempted double spends can show up even at no fault of the player. I'm far from an expert on the subject, but they stated that it has something to do with the wallet used. Others feel free to correct me.

DirectBet feels that they can confiscate money, even though they have the BTC in their wallet, because the blockchain states attempted double spend.

DirectBet accepted the wager, they have the money and the bet won. DirectBet then refused to pay winnings and took the deposit.

Edit - I didn't see Twitchyseal's post. He knows more about double spends than I do.

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