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[chmick]

Today my payments are really late. 2 out of 3 show up in one account "two hours ago", the other one isn't there yet. None are available in the balance to withdraw.

Other account same thing.

They will show. Remember it takes what, 6 confirmations for BTC? So it can take up to an hour or two before the actual balance is available. I wouldn't worry about it at this point.

Hi all.

Same for me , with a little difference . The payment are late but the fees came right one time .
The payment are now 6 hours late .

The only payment I saw was the zen points .

It seems zen need to hire an extra dev .

[NuShrike]

Hi all.

Same for me , with a little difference . The payment are late but the fees came right one time .
The payment are now 6 hours late .

The only payment I saw was the zen points .

It seems zen need to hire an extra dev .

Same. All I see is maintenance fees and HP. NO payouts.

They'll just keep shifting it later and later and not paying us the lost time.

edit:
in fact, I see missing "maintenance fees" in the "Balance" tab, and all but only maintenance fees and HP in the "Latest Activity" tab.  I feel strongly this system is fairly on the edge of imploding / collapsing.

I can't even withdraw all of my shown BTC as it claims I don't have enough in my account to complete the transaction. There's some hidden transfer fees involved.

[Jodelpeter]

Still no payout for today.
Service Fee was charged 5 hours ago

[Sev0]

Hey Guys,
I've been searching for a long while and questioned on a few ways GAW.
But I never got an answer for my to little questions:
1. Will I be able to sell my hashlet at any time I not longer would own it (e.g.like CEX.io)
2. Is it a possible risk that one day my hashlet is negative profitable and so I would have to pay more maintenance/electricity fee than it generates BTC...

...I will not invest anything without an answer on this questions and I think other people think also like me.
I also asked over Twitter and they marked me as a spammer.
Just a mistake?
 
I'm sceptic...

[EvilPanda]

Its just a ponzi scam, until they can prove otherwise.

You can only prove its a ponzi after it implodes. Until it stops paying, everyone who has drank the coolaid will keep paying in because they keep getting paid. On that note, people please keep paying in, the longer I can receive my "mining" income the better.

right. so how could someone prove something not being a ponzi scheme ? by not imploding? in a fixed period of time?

I understand that there's a ton of things that GAW is not telling, but I don't know if there's any proof of it being a ponzi scheme.
I have about 130Mhs in zen, so I'm interested in seeing evidence if there is any, but so far there's none, just a lot of unhappy people for no good reason

You know it's pointless. First they wanted a data center picture, they got it and decided they want a proof of mining too and if this proof is not given let's scream ponzi!

Speaking of, where is that data center location data you were going to post yesterday?

Posted them in that thread. Weren't you following it? Should still be there.

Hey Guys,
I've been searching for a long while and questioned on a few ways GAW.
But I never got an answer for my to little questions:
1. Will I be able to sell my hashlet at any time I not longer would own it (e.g.like CEX.io)
2. Is it a possible risk that one day my hashlet is negative profitable and so I would have to pay more maintenance/electricity fee than it generates BTC...

...I will not invest anything without an answer on this questions and I think other people think also like me.
I also asked over Twitter and they marked me as a spammer.
Just a mistake?
 
I'm sceptic...

Hi
Yes people are trading hashlets. There's a nice thread here by a guy who mined with hashlets and I think recently sold them after taking the profits.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=743152.msg8583756#msg8583756

According to GAW you will never have negative ROI, the maintenance costs will be reduced to keep the miners profitable.

[rdyoung]

Its just a ponzi scam, until they can prove otherwise.

You can only prove its a ponzi after it implodes. Until it stops paying, everyone who has drank the coolaid will keep paying in because they keep getting paid. On that note, people please keep paying in, the longer I can receive my "mining" income the better.

right. so how could someone prove something not being a ponzi scheme ? by not imploding? in a fixed period of time?

I understand that there's a ton of things that GAW is not telling, but I don't know if there's any proof of it being a ponzi scheme.
I have about 130Mhs in zen, so I'm interested in seeing evidence if there is any, but so far there's none, just a lot of unhappy people for no good reason

You know it's pointless. First they wanted a data center picture, they got it and decided they want a proof of mining too and if this proof is not given let's scream ponzi!

Speaking of, where is that data center location data you were going to post yesterday?

Posted them in that thread. Weren't you following it? Should still be there.

yeah I found it. That post tossed it to the next page and I didn't catch that you posted.

Someone really likes large ass font. It hurt trying to look through those photos.

[abdullahadam]

in fact, I see missing "maintenance fees" in the "Balance" tab, and all but only maintenance fees and HP in the "Latest Activity" tab.  I feel strongly this system is fairly on the edge of imploding / collapsing.

I can't even withdraw all of my shown BTC as it claims I don't have enough in my account to complete the transaction. There's some hidden transfer fees involved.

I noticed it had that issue yesterday when I tried to withdraw my balance, it would fail, but now it asks me if I am willing to pay the 0.0002 miner fee so I assume that is fixed now.

I don't think we will see the system collapse just yet.  Not even close in my opinion.  They have sold a lot of miners recently (just look at their "Champions" page).  I think there's still some time to go before we see a meltdown, if that does happen..

just my 2c. I could be wrong

[MOB]

Hey Guys,
I've been searching for a long while and questioned on a few ways GAW.
But I never got an answer for my to little questions:
1. Will I be able to sell my hashlet at any time I not longer would own it (e.g.like CEX.io)
2. Is it a possible risk that one day my hashlet is negative profitable and so I would have to pay more maintenance/electricity fee than it generates BTC...

...I will not invest anything without an answer on this questions and I think other people think also like me.
I also asked over Twitter and they marked me as a spammer.
Just a mistake?
 
I'm sceptic...

It is practically impossible to sell your Hashlet at this time as the terrible forum + 7 day delay on GAW doing the transfer scares most people away.

Perhaps if they ever open the marketplace (and it is not as terribad as their forum) one could actually sell a hashlet.

[zdaz14]

Hey Guys,
I've been searching for a long while and questioned on a few ways GAW.
But I never got an answer for my to little questions:
1. Will I be able to sell my hashlet at any time I not longer would own it (e.g.like CEX.io)
2. Is it a possible risk that one day my hashlet is negative profitable and so I would have to pay more maintenance/electricity fee than it generates BTC...

...I will not invest anything without an answer on this questions and I think other people think also like me.
I also asked over Twitter and they marked me as a spammer.
Just a mistake?
 
I'm sceptic...

It is practically impossible to sell your Hashlet at this time as the terrible forum + 7 day delay on GAW doing the transfer scares most people away.

Perhaps if they ever open the marketplace (and it is not as terribad as their forum) one could actually sell a hashlet.

Uhhhh, what? I literally just had a hashlet prime get transferred to another user TODAY. I started the email with the support agent last night. Took under 18 hours to transfer it and all I had to give was the emails associated with the account and the code of the hashlet.

[eightcylinders]

Still no payout for today.
Service Fee was charged 5 hours ago

Same here now going on 8 hours.  Interestingly, the "activity" transactions and "balance" transactions do not match up either.

This is bad sign.  Either the system is crashing, or whole thing is a scam.

I am seriously considering an sec complaint for illegal sale of securities.

[Flep182]

Still no payout for today.
Service Fee was charged 5 hours ago

Same here now going on 8 hours.  Interestingly, the "activity" transactions and "balance" transactions do not match up either.

This is bad sign.  Either the system is crashing, or whole thing is a scam.

I am seriously considering an sec complaint for illegal sale of securities.

It's been 8 hours since it should've been in my account. The loupe to tell what has been mined through which pools is missing on the recent payouts.

Getting a payout doesn't work anymore, can't seem to get it out.

[abdullahadam]

Same here

Well folks, it was fun while it lasted! 

[Norway]

No payout for me either.

[zdaz14]

No payout for me either.

JUST got my payout today. Stop freakin out guys. It's 4 or 5 hours late. Got it AND withdrew it no issue.

[suchmoon]

So without being able to search the new hashtalk I tried to find alternative ways to navigate. Obviously URLs from the old site don't work, that's kind of expected with a move to a different system. Google search returns results from the old site. Sitemap https://hashtalk.org/sitemap.xml is 404.

Anyway, I looked at the Announcements category and it looks like it's missing a lot of its old contents. The initial hashlet announcement is gone. The "early vaultbreaker" announcement shows "posted by GAW_CEO" but if you look inside it's just someone trolling. If the whole site like that or just that category? (I haven't been following much else so can't really tell without search).

[eightcylinders]

Same here

Well folks, it was fun while it lasted!  

Sending my SEC complaint now

Others concerned about lack of adequate (or even minimalist) disclosure can report the violation to the SEC https://denebleo.sec.gov/TCRExternal/disclaimer.xhtml

Be sure to mention that there has been no disclosure of risks, that the hashlets are software not real mining machines, above average returns, promises of never losing money and your actual investment - that should be enough.

[SDRebel]

Its just a ponzi scam, until they can prove otherwise.

You can only prove its a ponzi after it implodes. Until it stops paying, everyone who has drank the coolaid will keep paying in because they keep getting paid. On that note, people please keep paying in, the longer I can receive my "mining" income the better.

right. so how could someone prove something not being a ponzi scheme ? by not imploding? in a fixed period of time?

I understand that there's a ton of things that GAW is not telling, but I don't know if there's any proof of it being a ponzi scheme.
I have about 130Mhs in zen, so I'm interested in seeing evidence if there is any, but so far there's none, just a lot of unhappy people for no good reason

See my post right above yours...

let me keep reading. I'm trying to catch up but you guys are quick

[SDRebel]

No payout for me either.

JUST got my payout today. Stop freakin out guys. It's 4 or 5 hours late. Got it AND withdrew it no issue.

just got mine too

[SDRebel]

Today my payments are really late. 2 out of 3 show up in one account "two hours ago", the other one isn't there yet. None are available in the balance to withdraw.

Other account same thing.

Same issue with me.

Today at 1:31 PM   Payout   0.00804867 BTC   
Today at 1:30 PM   Maintenance Fee      -0.00318136 BTC
Today at 1:30 PM   Payout   0.00753568 BTC   
Today at 1:30 PM   Payout   0.00780699 BTC   
Today at 1:30 PM   Payout   0.00827310 BTC   
Today at 1:30 PM   Payout   0.00785729 BTC   

Current Balance
0.00763243 BTC ($3)

Strange

it's normal. it always takes time to reflect the balance. I've seen it many times, but you only notice if you are watching it when it happens

[zdaz14]

Today my payments are really late. 2 out of 3 show up in one account "two hours ago", the other one isn't there yet. None are available in the balance to withdraw.

Other account same thing.

Same issue with me.

Today at 1:31 PM   Payout   0.00804867 BTC   
Today at 1:30 PM   Maintenance Fee      -0.00318136 BTC
Today at 1:30 PM   Payout   0.00753568 BTC   
Today at 1:30 PM   Payout   0.00780699 BTC   
Today at 1:30 PM   Payout   0.00827310 BTC   
Today at 1:30 PM   Payout   0.00785729 BTC   

Current Balance
0.00763243 BTC ($3)

Strange

it's normal. it always takes time to reflect the balance. I've seen it many times, but you only notice if you are watching it when it happens

Always happens to me too. The balance is usually corrected within an hour.