Scientific proof that God exists?

[Rassah]

Christian gods condemn out of their nature (as you so condemn).

But that makes their nature WORSE than the nature of the humans they claim to have created. Humans are more discerning and forgiving in their nature.

You condemn out of your nature (as christian gods so condemn).

Which still doesn't make the purported god's nature better than my nature.

[andycarrol]

you can see it from all existing catastrophic disaster event, and that's the sign of His

[BADecker]

Christian gods condemn out of their nature (as you so condemn).

But that makes their nature WORSE than the nature of the humans they claim to have created. Humans are more discerning and forgiving in their nature.

You condemn out of your nature (as christian gods so condemn).

All christian gods are demigods at best. The God of the Christians is the only true reality. 

[BitChick]

Do I think every sin is equally bad?  Actually I do.  I know that sounds totally crazy but in God's eyes a sin is a sin and any sin however "small" in our eyes, is enough to separate us from Him.  Does that mean that the consequences for all sins are the same?  No.  This is where we, as humans, start grading them on a scale.  Some sins do way more damage to ourselves and others, so in that way it seems that some sins are much worse.  But in the big picture, all sin is what keeps us apart from God.  This is why a person who was a super amazing good person and did everything right their entire lives still cannot earn their way to heaven-  All have sinned and everyone needs forgiveness for that sin.

And that is why the Christian god is a petty asshole and a spoiled little bitch. If someone does some minor bad thing to me, like lies, steals some change, or breaks something of mine and doesn't tell me, it's bad and it sucks, but I can forgive and forget, and still be their friend after some period of being a bit upset with them. Unlike that asshole god, I don't "separate myself from them" for every minor insignificant thing. Also, if they do something really bad to me, as opposed to a minor harm, I actually have the intellectual capacity to differentiate the two and know how bad one is compared to the other. God treating everything equally, and making the worst punishment possible for any crime regardless now minor, makes him sound really really evil.

Actually, there's a website I have been reading recently that talks about life and punishments in North Korea. Really horrific stuff, especially with their WW2 style concentration camps http://freekorea.us/camps/ You should check it out. Your description of sin and god really reminded me of that, since the punishment for major crimes like theft and assault, and the punishment for minor crimes like thinking badly of Dear Leader or complaining about the lack of food, is punished equally, with being sent to one of their concentration camps (a real hell on earth) where people are constantly starving, forced to work all day, die constantly of all kinds of ailments or starvation, are beaten, tortured, and abused, and can even be shot for picking up chestnuts of the ground. All "sins" are punished equally with that hell.

You haven't seen followers of Satan doing evil?  Basically it is pretty simple.  There is good and evil.  God is good, He is love.  If we are not for God, we are against God.

Even if we don't acknowledge god or know or ever heard of him? Also this sounds like a "No True Scotsman" fallacy. But no, I have not seen anyone who actively proclaims to worship or follow Satan doing evil.

All rapists, murderers, child abusers, lairs, thieves and so on are serving Satan when they make evil choices and decide to do these sinful choices. So anyone doing evil is serving Satan

Your claim is that regardless of what the person believes, if they are doing good they are serving god, and if they are doing bad they are serving satan. That is false because people who don't know about or acknowledge either of those entities are not doing their actions to serve someone else. They are doing it to serve themselves, the person they are doing the action for, or some other person or entity. At most you could claim that they are doing what god or satan would want then to do, NOT that they are serving them by their actions. E.g. if I give money to a homeless person, I am serving the homeless person and my own feeling of empathy, NOT god, even if I may be doing what your god might want me to.

On the flip side, are there people out there doing "good" and "loving" without knowing they are in reality unknowingly doing what God wants?  Yes.  And many of these same people also end up having very blessed lives because of that!

But then, once they die, even if god presents himself to them as undeniable proof, and they go, "Huh, you ARE real. Oops! Please forgive us for doubting your existence!" god still says "Nope! You should have believed in random crazy stories without any evidence! So now, despite you living very good lives as very good people, I will send you to a place where you will be tortured for eternity. Bye now!"

Instead of thanking Him for it, many of us just ignore Him, are angry at Him, or even deny He is the one giving us all the blessings we have.

Because a lot of us work very hard to achieve those blessings ourselves. A farmer that spends months working the ground, growing seeds, fighting off insects and infections, watering plants during droughts and digging ditches to direct away downpoor floods, should thank his own hard work for the "blessing" of food on the table, not god.

I believe the Spirit of God is present all around us. This is why throughout the world there are people that have a conscience and realize that some things are just wrong. There is a universal belief among most cultures that murder, abuse, adultery, stealing and lying is not a good thing to do and It doesn't matter what nationality, race or religion you are.

Actually it's evolution and genetics, not god. We survive better as a species, and are "fittest" to survive when we work together in packs as social animals. Survival of the fittest means social packs and groups, not just individuals. And this empathy and care for others has helped us propagate our genes better than those who tried to be individual and didn't work together or care for each other. Same as a school of small fish can survive as a species much better than if they were floating around as individual food bites. Best evidence of this, BTW, is that with time we have learned to have even more compassion, understanding, and are more ethical, than the people who wrote the bible 2000+ years ago. Many things presented as moral and ethical in that book are considered abhorrent now. Even the way god acts.

If a person truly wants to do what is right in their hearts God is fair and just and will give that person a chance to accept or reject Him I believe.  

It's still INCREDIBLY petty and monstrously cruel that your god judges the entirety of a person's existence not of whether they were a good person, but whether they believe in him without him giving them any evidence to.

For someone that says they do not believe in God and are not angry at God, you seem pretty ticked to me.  Why be so angry if He really doesn't exist at all?

If we are discussing what is "unfair,"  isn't it unfair that Jesus, who was completely sinless and blameless, had to come to suffer for my sins?  I am the one that chose to sin but he paid the price for my sins.  Knowing that God, out of His great love for me, sent His only son to die for me?  That is unfair to God!  I should be paying the price for my own sins, but instead I am offered the greatest gift anyone could give to me, eternal life because of His love and the thing is that it is offered to everyone!  God is no respecter of persons. We are all welcome to His gift if we just accept it.

But on a side note, although all sin is sin, and any sin can keep us from God, I do think that there are greater punishments for some in eternity.  There are also said to be some rewards in eternity too.  The Bible isn't really clear on this though.  I would like to think that the verse that talks about anyone causing a little one to sin would be better off having a millstone tied around his neck and thrown into the depths of sea, would be showing a severe eternal punishment for that.  But my point really is that any sin, no matter how small we think it is, is enough to separate us from God.  However, God, out of His love for us, has provided a way back to Him.  The choice is ours though.  Accept or reject.  

Edit:  One more thing.  One of the main points in the book of Satan, is not to worship Satan, but to just give into one's own selfish and hedonistic desires. From wikipedia on "the book of Satan:"  The seven deadly sins are advocated, on the basis that they all lead to personal pleasure. He says that Satanism is a form of "controlled selfishness", in the sense that doing something to help another will in turn make one happy."   My point is that being selfish is one of the main doctrines in the book of Satan.  Satan does not expect or even want people to actually worship Him blatantly.  He wants them to worship themselves and even "good deeds" done for selfish reasons are a form of "controlled selfishness."  

Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia. It might be telling to see that much of what you believe (and many on here) is totally in line with the Book of Satan:

The Book of Satan

Much of the first book of The Satanic Bible is taken from parts of Redbeard's Might Is Right, edited to remove the racism, anti-Semitism, and misogyny present in the original version.[42][43] It challenges both the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule, advocating instead a tooth-for-tooth philosophy. LaVey, through Redbeard, strongly advocates social Darwinism, saying, "Death to the weakling, wealth to the strong!"[9] Humans are identified as instinctually predatory, and "lust and carnal desire" are singled out as part of humans' intrinsic nature.[44] The Book of Satan suggests a hedonistic outlook, saying, "I break away from all conventions that do not lead to my earthly happiness." Indulgence is endorsed, and readers are encouraged to make the most of their lives. It criticizes both law and religious principles, instead suggesting doing only what makes one happy and successful. LaVey continues to denounce other religions, and he rails against what he considers to be arbitrary definitions of "good" and "evil".[9] Religion is criticized as a man-made construct, and the reader is urged to question everything and destroy any lies that he or she uncovers. Long-standing lies that are believed to be irrefutable truths are identified as the most dangerous.[45] The last part of The Book of Satan is an adaptation of the Christian Beatitudes, changed to reflect the principles of LaVeyan Satanism.[46]

[username18333]

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If we are discussing what is "unfair,"  isn't it unfair that Jesus, who was completely sinless and blameless, had to come to suffer for my sins?  I am the one that chose to sin but he paid the price for my sins.  Knowing that God, out of His great love for me, sent His only son to die for me?  That is unfair to God!  I should be paying the price for my own sins, but instead I am offered the greatest gift anyone could give to me, eternal life because of His love and the thing is that it is offered to everyone!  God is no respecter of persons. We are all welcome to His gift if we just accept it.

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If God did not want to suffer for sins, he should not have deemed them such.

[jackjack]

isn't it unfair that Jesus, who was completely sinless and blameless, had to come to suffer for my sins?  I am the one that chose to sin but he paid the price for my sins

Yeah just like the dinosaurs died because we release to much greenhouse gases into the atmosphere

[BitChick]

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If we are discussing what is "unfair,"  isn't it unfair that Jesus, who was completely sinless and blameless, had to come to suffer for my sins?  I am the one that chose to sin but he paid the price for my sins.  Knowing that God, out of His great love for me, sent His only son to die for me?  That is unfair to God!  I should be paying the price for my own sins, but instead I am offered the greatest gift anyone could give to me, eternal life because of His love and the thing is that it is offered to everyone!  God is no respecter of persons. We are all welcome to His gift if we just accept it.

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If God did not want to suffer for sins, he should not have deemed them such.

We can get frustrated at thy way God has chosen to do things, or we can accept that He has chosen to do things they way He has and respond with gratitude for even caring about us. Who are we to say how God, the creator of the universe, should or should not have done something?  It really is all about humility.  It is said that one of the greatest sins is actually pride.  This is because our own pride is what keeps us from even humbly coming to God and accepting Him at all.

[Decksperiment]

Well, it has to be said, that there has been so much written from the 'christian' perspective, that one should wonder how on earth we survived the last 2000 years. So a guy worked miracles, yet there is no proof of these miracles. Christians attribute everything they say, to god, despite having no actual proof of the sucker.. I mean, c'mon, what was the actual point of god being born as Jesus just to show you what I, God, as Jesus, can do.. did he leave any hints that we could part the red sea? NO. Miracles? Prove them. No-one can, period. For if the Red sea was parted, the debris in the water would also be cast with the water to either side of the gap the people of exodus would have used to travel through.. 2000 years later the evidence of the red sea being parted would be VERY visible today, considering there is a mountain of bones from animals who had no 'business' being at the part of the planet where they (apparently) are not indigenous, and thousands of years older than the parting of a sea.. this is bollox

What I think most christians CANT accept, is that every non-christian see's christianity's excuse for everything is blame it on god. How many christians are following that madman obama? All of them.. but he's a muslim no? So America, wake up, you are no longer a christian entity, you are a nation of muslim killers, which is why the only support you have for the bombing of syria is from their local neighbours.

Just when you think christianity rules the world, you realise you are, like all masons and jews, about to be hounded out of existance, just so we (the seekers) dont need to hear about miracles that are impossible to comprehend, never mind prove.

CHRISTIAN churches everywhere with locked doors (no wonder) sitting on pagan ley lines, or intersections, which in turn are best viewed as spiral's. The very reason churches have steeples is to bring this spiral closer to the etheric vehicle known as aurora borealis, which is in fact the MAGNETISM which in turn becomes akasa which flows to the nerves and tissues.. hence the micro/macro-cosm.

I think christians should stop debating the pro's and cons of YOUR RELIGION, and start providing what the op requested, scientific proof, meaning, NO FUCKIN BIBLE SHEITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BitChick]

Well, it has to be said, that there has been so much written from the 'christian' perspective, that one should wonder how on earth we survived the last 2000 years. So a guy worked miracles, yet there is no proof of these miracles. Christians attribute everything they say, to god, despite having no actual proof of the sucker.. I mean, c'mon, what was the actual point of god being born as Jesus just to show you what I, God, as Jesus, can do.. did he leave any hints that we could part the red sea? NO. Miracles? Prove them. No-one can, period. For if the Red sea was parted, the debris in the water would also be cast with the water to either side of the gap the people of exodus would have used to travel through.. 2000 years later the evidence of the red sea being parted would be VERY visible today, considering there is a mountain of bones from animals who had no 'business' being at the part of the planet where they (apparently) are not indigenous, and thousands of years older than the parting of a sea.. this is bollox

What I think most christians CANT accept, is that every non-christian see's christianity's excuse for everything is blame it on god. How many christians are following that madman obama? All of them.. but he's a muslim no? So America, wake up, you are no longer a christian entity, you are a nation of muslim killers, which is why the only support you have for the bombing of syria is from their local neighbours.

Just when you think christianity rules the world, you realise you are, like all masons and jews, about to be hounded out of existance, just so we (the seekers) dont need to hear about miracles that are impossible to comprehend, never mind prove.

CHRISTIAN churches everywhere with locked doors (no wonder) sitting on pagan ley lines, or intersections, which in turn are best viewed as spiral's. The very reason churches have steeples is to bring this spiral closer to the etheric vehicle known as aurora borealis, which is in fact the MAGNETISM which in turn becomes akasa which flows to the nerves and tissues.. hence the micro/macro-cosm.

I think christians should stop debating the pro's and cons of YOUR RELIGION, and start providing what the op requested, scientific proof, meaning, NO FUCKIN BIBLE SHEITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't have time to comment on each item, and really it appears you wouldn't want a debate with me anyways. 

But for those that are interested, there is evidence of broken chariots on the bottom of the red sea out there.

Here are some links:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzb4ekyX1kc

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/chariots-in-red-sea-irrefutable-evidence/

[Decksperiment]

Well, it has to be said, that there has been so much written from the 'christian' perspective, that one should wonder how on earth we survived the last 2000 years. So a guy worked miracles, yet there is no proof of these miracles. Christians attribute everything they say, to god, despite having no actual proof of the sucker.. I mean, c'mon, what was the actual point of god being born as Jesus just to show you what I, God, as Jesus, can do.. did he leave any hints that we could part the red sea? NO. Miracles? Prove them. No-one can, period. For if the Red sea was parted, the debris in the water would also be cast with the water to either side of the gap the people of exodus would have used to travel through.. 2000 years later the evidence of the red sea being parted would be VERY visible today, considering there is a mountain of bones from animals who had no 'business' being at the part of the planet where they (apparently) are not indigenous, and thousands of years older than the parting of a sea.. this is bollox

What I think most christians CANT accept, is that every non-christian see's christianity's excuse for everything is blame it on god. How many christians are following that madman obama? All of them.. but he's a muslim no? So America, wake up, you are no longer a christian entity, you are a nation of muslim killers, which is why the only support you have for the bombing of syria is from their local neighbours.

Just when you think christianity rules the world, you realise you are, like all masons and jews, about to be hounded out of existance, just so we (the seekers) dont need to hear about miracles that are impossible to comprehend, never mind prove.

CHRISTIAN churches everywhere with locked doors (no wonder) sitting on pagan ley lines, or intersections, which in turn are best viewed as spiral's. The very reason churches have steeples is to bring this spiral closer to the etheric vehicle known as aurora borealis, which is in fact the MAGNETISM which in turn becomes akasa which flows to the nerves and tissues.. hence the micro/macro-cosm.

I think christians should stop debating the pro's and cons of YOUR RELIGION, and start providing what the op requested, scientific proof, meaning, NO FUCKIN BIBLE SHEITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't have time to comment on each item, and really it appears you wouldn't want a debate with me anyways.  

But for those that are interested, there is evidence of broken chariots on the bottom of the red sea out there.

Here are some links:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzb4ekyX1kc

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/chariots-in-red-sea-irrefutable-evidence/

I'd be more than willing to argue any point within reason.. and of course, carriages could be thrown from any ship.. bet there were'nt an oldish bible.. cause God, if and when he shows himself, will probably kill all christians for claiming everything was cause o him. I mean, if you did sumat wrong and got away with it for infinity, you'd have to admit that that sooner or later, you will get caught, and no-where in the bible does it say that what god did was good, only that his creation was good, when in fact it was an act of pure evil.

[Decksperiment]

The problem for me with regards to god is the fact that 'god' denotes a greater or higher intelligence than man, proving life beyond our planet, that not only existed before everything else, but will be, when all is gone into the darkness once the last light fades.

So you either accept that there is indeed life 'out there' beyond our comprehension, but alive, meaning 'alien' of sort's, or we on this wee ball are it, period.

With regards to the parting of the red sea.. there would also be remnants of the tidal surge along the entire coast(s) of the red sea, written of in books far NEWER than the bible, in the form of tsunami etc, like the plethora of roman soldiers remains, the remains of horses.. how many horses would be to a carriage? 1, 2, 3, 4 even. Lets assume it's a time of war, it's safe to assume that if any at all, there would only be a few chariots pulled by 1 or 2 horses, at least one of which, whose remains would still be attached to the carriage, allowing for ANY tests. Of course only the wood was found.. I wont go into how many fishing village's would have been wiped out by the sheer mass of water, (no historical event depicts this) and again, the surge of water as it returned would in itself 'echo' so many times, someone would have written of it in any other way, other than a bible.

I'd like to see proof the bible was written when claimed.

I'd also like the bible bashers who think that ANY story from the bible is a genuine 'proof' for the existance of god, to stop preaching. This is a scientific search, for proof of god, not a lets decide which holy book gets more coverage.

NOTHING in the bible can be proven. (excluding the occult mathematics etc.. )

[Decksperiment]

Ps, Jesus's great great great great great (how many times is it?) ancestor is a whore by the shore over the water, in the kingdom of fife, lol...

[Rassah]

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If we are discussing what is "unfair,"  isn't it unfair that Jesus, who was completely sinless and blameless, had to come to suffer for my sins?  I am the one that chose to sin but he paid the price for my sins.  Knowing that God, out of His great love for me, sent His only son to die for me?  That is unfair to God!  I should be paying the price for my own sins, but instead I am offered the greatest gift anyone could give to me, eternal life because of His love and the thing is that it is offered to everyone!  God is no respecter of persons. We are all welcome to His gift if we just accept it.

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If God did not want to suffer for sins, he should not have deemed them such.

We can get frustrated at thy way God has chosen to do things, or we can accept that He has chosen to do things they way He has and respond with gratitude for even caring about us. Who are we to say how God, the creator of the universe, should or should not have done something?  It really is all about humility.  It is said that one of the greatest sins is actually pride.  This is because our own pride is what keeps us from even humbly coming to God and accepting Him at all.

So why is it unfair that god (Jesus) suffered for the thing he himself created? If I give you a gun, and you accidentally shoot and wound yourself, and then in turn I take my own gun and shoot myself in the foot, is it unfair that I ended up  getting shot because you got shot? And does that fix your wound? That whole "dying for our sins" thing makes no sense whatsoever. Just like blaming all the actions of murderers and rapists on a goat, taking the goat out of town, and killing it (a completely idiotic ancient practice that inspired the story of Jesus).

[Decksperiment]

Most here relate god to jesus, this is not the question, and a problem. The question is proof of god, not any character in a book called the bible. Why are there not as many other religions commenting? Cause they dont do your head in with make believe stories from the youngest book in religious history, and prefer to just know without forcing their religious writings on people who simply wish to question for the reason best fits their search..?

Maybe go read the Kybalion or sumat more REAL!

[Und3rd0g]

Well, it has to be said, that there has been so much written from the 'christian' perspective, that one should wonder how on earth we survived the last 2000 years. So a guy worked miracles, yet there is no proof of these miracles. Christians attribute everything they say, to god, despite having no actual proof of the sucker.. I mean, c'mon, what was the actual point of god being born as Jesus just to show you what I, God, as Jesus, can do.. did he leave any hints that we could part the red sea? NO. Miracles? Prove them. No-one can, period. For if the Red sea was parted, the debris in the water would also be cast with the water to either side of the gap the people of exodus would have used to travel through.. 2000 years later the evidence of the red sea being parted would be VERY visible today, considering there is a mountain of bones from animals who had no 'business' being at the part of the planet where they (apparently) are not indigenous, and thousands of years older than the parting of a sea.. this is bollox

What I think most christians CANT accept, is that every non-christian see's christianity's excuse for everything is blame it on god. How many christians are following that madman obama? All of them.. but he's a muslim no? So America, wake up, you are no longer a christian entity, you are a nation of muslim killers, which is why the only support you have for the bombing of syria is from their local neighbours.

Just when you think christianity rules the world, you realise you are, like all masons and jews, about to be hounded out of existance, just so we (the seekers) dont need to hear about miracles that are impossible to comprehend, never mind prove.

CHRISTIAN churches everywhere with locked doors (no wonder) sitting on pagan ley lines, or intersections, which in turn are best viewed as spiral's. The very reason churches have steeples is to bring this spiral closer to the etheric vehicle known as aurora borealis, which is in fact the MAGNETISM which in turn becomes akasa which flows to the nerves and tissues.. hence the micro/macro-cosm.

I think christians should stop debating the pro's and cons of YOUR RELIGION, and start providing what the op requested, scientific proof, meaning, NO FUCKIN BIBLE SHEITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geez.  Relax dude.  The Bible is just a book of stories.  The Koran is also just a book of stories.  Why can't you (and others) simply enjoy the stories, take in the lessons learned, not read it LITERALLY and enjoy life.  Don't get so worked up.  Life is too short (unless your religion believes in reincarnation). 

[Cortex7]

I do believe Jesus the carpenter existed without a doubt and perhaps his adventures was a great story to be told to the younger generation to give hope!

What message of hope is there with Jesus, the way I see it the tale is this:

Once upon a time a really nice man existed who wanted equality for all.

At 30 odd years old he pissed off the establishment so much that he was nailed to a cross until dead.

But then he magically cam back to life (uhh yeah right, that's believable) the end.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but if you tell that tale to a young kid then that kid will probably think "Holy carp! I don't want to be nailed to a cross"

Wearing a cross around your neck is akin to a JFK fan wearing a sniper rifle on a pendant. But churches take it even further, their image of christ is his actuall body hanging on the cross and you can see the nails through the wrists and a gaping wound on his side. Often in true technicolor, I've seen some statues where the artist has gone to great lengths to make the blood look wet using a high gloss varnish atop the dark red paint, gory stuff!

The message is: Let that be a reminder to you young man... you start acting all hippy like and that could be YOU nailed to that cross, just pay your tithes and keep yourself to yourself. Oh and cut your damned hair you hippy!

This whole Jesus thing is clearly a citizen control tool, CLEARLY!

Religions themselves are just cults, each one in the evolutionary game of cult survival.

Fuck religion, it does not care for you, it will gladly murder you for the survival of the cult, so I say it again... fuck it, it's time humanity left the dark ages, the stars await us....

A magic man in the sky looks down on earth and dont like what people do.
So he comes up with a plan.
He sends himself down as his alter ego, have himself tortured and killed so he can forgive himself, and *poof* everything is ok.
Yup its a ridiculous story that belongs in the dark ages

Don't let the human understanding and manipulation of a creator skew the entire possibility for you, there is a perfect order which cannot be overlooked in the universe.

Perfect order is rather dull, and pure chaos is rather dull. Life dances between the two extremes as does the entire universe.

Our beautiful star Sol pushes life up the entropy hill, other stars in other systems will undoubtably be doing the same.

Sol is a good enough source for me, I Love Sol and I don't need a middle man to appreciate Sol. People tend to forget how important our star is.

[knight22]

Well, it has to be said, that there has been so much written from the 'christian' perspective, that one should wonder how on earth we survived the last 2000 years. So a guy worked miracles, yet there is no proof of these miracles. Christians attribute everything they say, to god, despite having no actual proof of the sucker.. I mean, c'mon, what was the actual point of god being born as Jesus just to show you what I, God, as Jesus, can do.. did he leave any hints that we could part the red sea? NO. Miracles? Prove them. No-one can, period. For if the Red sea was parted, the debris in the water would also be cast with the water to either side of the gap the people of exodus would have used to travel through.. 2000 years later the evidence of the red sea being parted would be VERY visible today, considering there is a mountain of bones from animals who had no 'business' being at the part of the planet where they (apparently) are not indigenous, and thousands of years older than the parting of a sea.. this is bollox

What I think most christians CANT accept, is that every non-christian see's christianity's excuse for everything is blame it on god. How many christians are following that madman obama? All of them.. but he's a muslim no? So America, wake up, you are no longer a christian entity, you are a nation of muslim killers, which is why the only support you have for the bombing of syria is from their local neighbours.

Just when you think christianity rules the world, you realise you are, like all masons and jews, about to be hounded out of existance, just so we (the seekers) dont need to hear about miracles that are impossible to comprehend, never mind prove.

CHRISTIAN churches everywhere with locked doors (no wonder) sitting on pagan ley lines, or intersections, which in turn are best viewed as spiral's. The very reason churches have steeples is to bring this spiral closer to the etheric vehicle known as aurora borealis, which is in fact the MAGNETISM which in turn becomes akasa which flows to the nerves and tissues.. hence the micro/macro-cosm.

I think christians should stop debating the pro's and cons of YOUR RELIGION, and start providing what the op requested, scientific proof, meaning, NO FUCKIN BIBLE SHEITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geez.  Relax dude.  The Bible is just a book of stories.  The Koran is also just a book of stories.  Why can't you (and others) simply enjoy the stories, take in the lessons learned, not read it LITERALLY and enjoy life.  Don't get so worked up.  Life is too short (unless your religion believes in reincarnation).  

People are afraid of what they don't know/understand and are reacting emotionally. Classic.

[cbeast]

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If we are discussing what is "unfair,"  isn't it unfair that Jesus, who was completely sinless and blameless, had to come to suffer for my sins?  I am the one that chose to sin but he paid the price for my sins.  Knowing that God, out of His great love for me, sent His only son to die for me?  That is unfair to God!  I should be paying the price for my own sins, but instead I am offered the greatest gift anyone could give to me, eternal life because of His love and the thing is that it is offered to everyone!  God is no respecter of persons. We are all welcome to His gift if we just accept it.

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If God did not want to suffer for sins, he should not have deemed them such.

We can get frustrated at thy way God has chosen to do things, or we can accept that He has chosen to do things they way He has and respond with gratitude for even caring about us. Who are we to say how God, the creator of the universe, should or should not have done something?  It really is all about humility.  It is said that one of the greatest sins is actually pride.  This is because our own pride is what keeps us from even humbly coming to God and accepting Him at all.

So why is it unfair that god (Jesus) suffered for the thing he himself created? If I give you a gun, and you accidentally shoot and wound yourself, so I take my own gun and shoot myself in the foot, is it unfair that I ended up  getting shot? And does that fix your wound? That whole "dying for our sins" thing makes no sense whatsoever. Just like blaming all the actions of murderers and rapists on a goat, taking the goat out of town, and killing it (a completely idiotic ancient practice that inspired the story of Jesus).

I knew it! Goat is Jesus! 

[Decksperiment]

Well, it has to be said, that there has been so much written from the 'christian' perspective, that one should wonder how on earth we survived the last 2000 years. So a guy worked miracles, yet there is no proof of these miracles. Christians attribute everything they say, to god, despite having no actual proof of the sucker.. I mean, c'mon, what was the actual point of god being born as Jesus just to show you what I, God, as Jesus, can do.. did he leave any hints that we could part the red sea? NO. Miracles? Prove them. No-one can, period. For if the Red sea was parted, the debris in the water would also be cast with the water to either side of the gap the people of exodus would have used to travel through.. 2000 years later the evidence of the red sea being parted would be VERY visible today, considering there is a mountain of bones from animals who had no 'business' being at the part of the planet where they (apparently) are not indigenous, and thousands of years older than the parting of a sea.. this is bollox

What I think most christians CANT accept, is that every non-christian see's christianity's excuse for everything is blame it on god. How many christians are following that madman obama? All of them.. but he's a muslim no? So America, wake up, you are no longer a christian entity, you are a nation of muslim killers, which is why the only support you have for the bombing of syria is from their local neighbours.

Just when you think christianity rules the world, you realise you are, like all masons and jews, about to be hounded out of existance, just so we (the seekers) dont need to hear about miracles that are impossible to comprehend, never mind prove.

CHRISTIAN churches everywhere with locked doors (no wonder) sitting on pagan ley lines, or intersections, which in turn are best viewed as spiral's. The very reason churches have steeples is to bring this spiral closer to the etheric vehicle known as aurora borealis, which is in fact the MAGNETISM which in turn becomes akasa which flows to the nerves and tissues.. hence the micro/macro-cosm.

I think christians should stop debating the pro's and cons of YOUR RELIGION, and start providing what the op requested, scientific proof, meaning, NO FUCKIN BIBLE SHEITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geez.  Relax dude.  The Bible is just a book of stories.  The Koran is also just a book of stories.  Why can't you (and others) simply enjoy the stories, take in the lessons learned, not read it LITERALLY and enjoy life.  Don't get so worked up.  Life is too short (unless your religion believes in reincarnation). 

Relax? Give christians a chance and they'll kill anything.. relax? I prefer books of facts.. like I said, why is it only bible bashers talking about their perspectives on their chosen books characters as if they actually existed? I agree Religious books are nowt but a bunch of morals dictated by the morality police, or as I call them, interfering basteards.. and after 120 years you will come back.. just in another body, another family, another country.. what you kill in this life you become in the next blah blah..

[Decksperiment]

Well, it has to be said, that there has been so much written from the 'christian' perspective, that one should wonder how on earth we survived the last 2000 years. So a guy worked miracles, yet there is no proof of these miracles. Christians attribute everything they say, to god, despite having no actual proof of the sucker.. I mean, c'mon, what was the actual point of god being born as Jesus just to show you what I, God, as Jesus, can do.. did he leave any hints that we could part the red sea? NO. Miracles? Prove them. No-one can, period. For if the Red sea was parted, the debris in the water would also be cast with the water to either side of the gap the people of exodus would have used to travel through.. 2000 years later the evidence of the red sea being parted would be VERY visible today, considering there is a mountain of bones from animals who had no 'business' being at the part of the planet where they (apparently) are not indigenous, and thousands of years older than the parting of a sea.. this is bollox

What I think most christians CANT accept, is that every non-christian see's christianity's excuse for everything is blame it on god. How many christians are following that madman obama? All of them.. but he's a muslim no? So America, wake up, you are no longer a christian entity, you are a nation of muslim killers, which is why the only support you have for the bombing of syria is from their local neighbours.

Just when you think christianity rules the world, you realise you are, like all masons and jews, about to be hounded out of existance, just so we (the seekers) dont need to hear about miracles that are impossible to comprehend, never mind prove.

CHRISTIAN churches everywhere with locked doors (no wonder) sitting on pagan ley lines, or intersections, which in turn are best viewed as spiral's. The very reason churches have steeples is to bring this spiral closer to the etheric vehicle known as aurora borealis, which is in fact the MAGNETISM which in turn becomes akasa which flows to the nerves and tissues.. hence the micro/macro-cosm.

I think christians should stop debating the pro's and cons of YOUR RELIGION, and start providing what the op requested, scientific proof, meaning, NO FUCKIN BIBLE SHEITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geez.  Relax dude.  The Bible is just a book of stories.  The Koran is also just a book of stories.  Why can't you (and others) simply enjoy the stories, take in the lessons learned, not read it LITERALLY and enjoy life.  Don't get so worked up.  Life is too short (unless your religion believes in reincarnation).  

People are afraid of what they don't know/understand and are reacting emotionally. Classic.

Show me a single person in this thread you can prove is all emotional, considering all you are reading is written by scripting bots.. just like the stock exchange..