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September 22, 2017, 09:02:26 PM
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This is a good idea. getmonero.org could have a page on the site where people can choose to mine for a while for a certain charity.  It would be a really good marketing stunt  Grin

getmonero.org should be setup to do this.

It is an amazing idea.
We could choose also some marketing active charities and inform them about it. It would improve the XMR image.

Also donations to the development fund could be done on this way.

Whilst I appreciate that the concept behind that type of mining and see the potential in micro transactions through this, then it is an entirely bad idea to do any charity-related thing through official monero sites - such as getmonero. Why? Because Monero is apolitical. No matter which charity there will always be some sort of political underpinning.

What COULD be done is to do browser mining where all proceeds went to the monero foundation address instead - one could set it up when idle, and people could choose a cpu% or such. That would make it possible for people without technical know how or motivation to donate that way.

Unrelated to the official monero sites someone with the ability to carry through could setup donation sites - with the use of monero of course.

You do have a point but i think it is a bit splitting hairs here.  What will happen imho if we do this is the following:
1) getmonero.org starts this and gets mentioned in many magazines
2) lots and lots of other sites copy the idea (of course one of the donations will be for themselves)
3) monero will be famous and then...
4) we decide to stop the mining 'experiment' because we want to be apolitical

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1b) Potential debacle because the charity for purple kittens turns out to be a tax-evasion scheme, and the charity-donation for hungry african kids turns out to be going straight into the pocket of the tribe in power/government who repress the other tribes and use their poor hungry kids to fill their own pockets.
4b) ..and stopping it turned unsuccessful and furthermore energy was spent debating that "my charity is better than your charity". The skies are darkening, can you see the shitstorm coming?

Not splitting hairs at all. That's the kind of thinking that will get you in a ETH short squeeze. Name me one charity that would be a good idea to support officially with monero and I'll do my best to say why it's a bad idea.
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September 22, 2017, 09:23:06 PM
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Name me one charity that would be a good idea to support officially with monero and I'll do my best to say why it's a bad idea.

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September 22, 2017, 09:33:36 PM
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I think if some web mining is added to getmonero.org (i have no view on this nor any particular role in it) the simplest thing to do is to just support the project (donations address) rather than get involved in picking causes or sponsorships. That seems like a big distraction when we already have plenty of work to do just building Monero. Just my personal view. I think we're getting a bit off topic for the thread though.
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September 22, 2017, 09:56:18 PM
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Whilst I appreciate that the concept behind that type of mining and see the potential in micro transactions through this, then it is an entirely bad idea to do any charity-related thing through official monero sites - such as getmonero. Why? Because Monero is apolitical. No matter which charity there will always be some sort of political underpinning.

What COULD be done is to do browser mining where all proceeds went to the monero foundation address instead - one could set it up when idle, and people could choose a cpu% or such. That would make it possible for people without technical know how or motivation to donate that way.

Unrelated to the official monero sites someone with the ability to carry through could setup donation sites - with the use of monero of course.

I believe it should be setup like this (where the mining goes I don't care) only as a template for others to copy. In order to increase XMR's Exposure.





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September 22, 2017, 10:00:34 PM
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Name me one charity that would be a good idea to support officially with monero and I'll do my best to say why it's a bad idea.

http://softwarefreedom.org/
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September 22, 2017, 11:46:32 PM
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Name me one charity that would be a good idea to support officially with monero and I'll do my best to say why it's a bad idea.

http://softwarefreedom.org/


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September 23, 2017, 12:31:22 AM
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No matter which charity there will always be some sort of political underpinning.

While in the strictest possible sense this is technically true. I don't think the conclusions follow. There are charity initiatives that *almost* everyone supports unanimously. The best example I can come up with right now is helping the communities affected by these hurricanes.

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September 23, 2017, 08:21:44 AM
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No matter which charity there will always be some sort of political underpinning.

While in the strictest possible sense this is technically true. I don't think the conclusions follow. There are charity initiatives that *almost* everyone supports unanimously. The best example I can come up with right now is helping the communities affected by these hurricanes.


Even this could lead to drama, there could be people that say "but in Africa or elsewhere people have to live their whole life with a catastrophic enviroment and other natural disasters" ... don't underestimate humans
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September 23, 2017, 08:22:45 AM
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Nice donation from articmine on the globee project. Thx man!
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September 23, 2017, 12:46:14 PM
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Having slept on it you could even have online web browser based client mining pools.

So people who don't understand miners and CLI can go to "start mining" and generate a balance somehow against their account on the service.


Interesting thought


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September 23, 2017, 02:44:24 PM
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Having slept on it you could even have online web browser based client mining pools.

So people who don't understand miners and CLI can go to "start mining" and generate a balance somehow against their account on the service.


Interesting thought



would atleast put minergate out of business with CPU folks
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September 23, 2017, 03:25:59 PM
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Monerujo Monero light wallet is now on Google Play for download at https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.m2049r.xmrwallet


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September 23, 2017, 03:49:50 PM
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Been using Monerujo for a few weeks now.  Bought a Nano S with it last week, and used it last night to order a Cryptosteel.

It's solid IMHO.

Remote syncing can be a little twitchy, but once you are on a reliable node and get the first full sync it seems to work perfectly.  Very nice.
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September 23, 2017, 04:00:36 PM
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September 23, 2017, 05:58:53 PM
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How do I, as a recipient, verify that my transaction actually arrived?

https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/6137/how-do-i-as-a-recipient-verify-that-my-transaction-actually-arrived



How do I, as a sender, verify that my transaction actually arrived?

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September 23, 2017, 08:56:36 PM
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Slashdot discussion of a Chrome extension deploying XMR mining code without user consent: https://slashdot.org/story/17/09/23/1816214/popular-chrome-extension-embedded-a-cpu-draining-cryptocurrency-miner#comments

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I'm not really following the logic behind the recently presented propaganda - the one portraying that this is some choice between having ads or embedded mining.

It's pretty apparent that both will be utilized concurrently.

Probably a better thread for this, but I'll look later.

Edit: actually upon realizing that the miner stuff may be steganographically embedded, I'd probably expect that the well-to-do ad server would spearhead the efforts to adopt browser mining, and ultimately one technology will simply absorb the other.

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September 24, 2017, 07:00:29 AM
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Name me one charity that would be a good idea to support officially with monero and I'll do my best to say why it's a bad idea.

wikipedia  Cool

Name me one charity that would be a good idea to support officially with monero and I'll do my best to say why it's a bad idea.

http://softwarefreedom.org/


No matter which charity there will always be some sort of political underpinning.

While in the strictest possible sense this is technically true. I don't think the conclusions follow. There are charity initiatives that *almost* everyone supports unanimously. The best example I can come up with right now is helping the communities affected by these hurricanes.


You guys are proving my other point, which was that no matter what it will turn into a debacle. Add logical fallacies ad libitum ad naseum.. I'm not going to pick each one apart. It doesn't even matter if the criticism is valid or substantial - because then we just see the trolls emerge.

The easiest is of course to support the project itself to the development fund.

The work done to implement all your ideas is almost the same irregardless of where it's implemented. Might as well push it directly to charities instead.

Don't open up attack vectors, when entirely not needed.

goin2mars is probably right in realising that the people to implement this tech and those to approach are the ones already running all these ad-plugins and so forth.
Even apps like firefox could implement this into their application so it's mining when open (even though it's already a resource hungry app).

All those more hidden places (and probably many many many more) would likely make the network propel much more.

It would also add liquidity to the market and probably also soak up a lot more coins (just by virtue of storing it and transferring it over short periods of time) which would have a positive effect on the exchange rate.
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September 24, 2017, 08:08:55 AM
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WOW !!!!    Shocked Shocked Shocked

monero implementing ligthning network in github Huh   
why no one announce something as big as this Huh  congratz everyone this is huge  Shocked

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70vuas/monero_lightning_network_support_consequences_and/



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September 24, 2017, 08:14:44 AM
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WOW !!!!    Shocked Shocked Shocked

monero implementing ligthning network in github Huh  
why no one announce something as big as this Huh  congratz everyone this is huge  Shocked

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70vuas/monero_lightning_network_support_consequences_and/




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