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Author Topic: ★★★ MEMs LIST of GAMBLING SITES ★★★  (Read 134620 times)
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May 22, 2013, 04:00:26 AM
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can we get this site added to the index?
https://www.luckybitcoincasino.com/index.html

I looked at this site when they first launched.  They don't offer any provably fair games, and their roulette has a bug that should make it +EV for the player.

If you bet on the column 3...36 that pays 2-1, it pays out on zero too:



I reported this bug to them back in November 2012 but it's still not fixed.

They were offering free chips at the time, so I tried betting that 3...36 line over and over.  Despite it apparently being around 3% in the player's favour, and despite using Kelly betting to manage my bankroll properly, I lost around 8 buyins betting just on that line.

That doesn't prove anything, but all this together makes me suspicious.

Added and noted.

At this point in bitcoin gambling there is no excuse to not be provably fair imho.

The Bitcoin network protocol was designed to be extremely flexible. It can be used to create timed transactions, escrow transactions, multi-signature transactions, etc. The current features of the client only hint at what will be possible in the future.
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quoting old list for prosperity

- LEGEND -

Good Legend:

  • Grin = considered mathmatically honest, showing you the hash used to generate each game. Ive played them all enough to be a believer.
       
  • Cool = PVP, Player v Player (Poker sunglasses)
  • Kiss = Responsive and or Helpful Admins (from my personal experience or several good referrals from forum members)

Bad Legend:

  • Huh = Questions raised regarding fairness/randomness thats waiting on admin response
  • Angry = SCAM
  • Cry = payout issue/s - removed if/when payout is resolved
  • Lips sealed = Non responsive admin


- NOTICE BOARD -


* Matthew N Wright is resolving his bet, if you did make one with him see this thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140654

* BitLotto was a long con - Im very sad to hear this, I am trying to contact the admin to confirm.

* I have been inactive for a while due to other concerns. For direct contact email (or gmail chat): mem.namefix@gmail.com for any urgent issues ie ongoing scams.


- REVIEWED GAMBLING SITES -


Casino:

Site - Key - Min Cash In - Min Cash Out - Games - Min Bet - Max Bet - Comments -
satoshidiceGrinKiss฿0.001฿0.00000001Dice฿0.001฿500* hosted on stock platform MPEx, which I boycott.
The site occasionally suffers issues resulting in payments not being made for up to 48 hours.
   Admin is a forum member.
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CasinobitGrinKiss฿?฿?Roulette฿0.01฿2.00Uses live video feed of a  real roulette table !.
A first for bitcoin casinos.
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Admin is a forum member.
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diceoncrackGrinKiss฿0.1฿0.00000001Dice
Minefield
Martingale
Cards
฿0.001
฿0.001
฿0.001
฿0.001
฿10.00
฿10.00
฿10.00
฿10.00
Features a Built in Martingale System !
Max bet is actually not capped, but the max win on any wager is (currently BTC 10.0)
Admin is a forum member.
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KingCoinGrinKiss฿?฿?Wheel Spin฿0.01฿2.00Wheel Spin, New game.
Admin is a forum member.
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DragonsTaleCoolKiss฿0.000฿0.010MMO Casino฿0.001฿900Virtual MMO casino, thousands of games to play.
Free to play games with btc rewards !.
Requires client to be installed.
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BTC MultiplierKissGrin฿0.01฿0.00000001Sic Bo n-Combo฿0.01฿5.0000Instant payouts.
   Admin is a forum member.
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SatoshiRouletteKissGrin฿0.005฿0.00000001Roulette
Dice
SicBo
CoinFlip
LoveTester
Scratch n Win
Charities

   
฿0.010
฿0.010
฿0.050
฿0.050
฿0.050
฿0.005
฿0.050
   
฿2.000
฿1.000
฿1.000
฿1.000
฿1.000
฿1.000
฿0.500
   
Admin is a forum member.
   Instant payouts.
   Litecoin Support.
   Many games.
   Progressive jackpots.
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myriadcoinsKiss฿?฿?Odds฿?฿?Play tested, works great.
   Admin is a forum member.
   Site still in BETA.

Regrettably site is offline.
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MineFieldGrin฿0.001฿0.250Minefield฿0.00000001฿5.000Admin assures it will be back up soon.
   Admin is a forum member.
   Requires 4 confirmations of deposit before allowing cash out.
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BitCoinDartsGrin฿0.010฿0.001Darts฿0.010฿40.000Admin (mskwik) is a forum member.
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JackpotdiceHuh฿0.010฿?Dice฿0.010฿?Site appears to be down.
   Admin is a forum member.
flipbitcoinKissGrin฿0.002฿0.100Coinflip฿0.002฿0.100Admin is a forum member.
   Announcement Thread.
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BC-CasinoCoolKiss฿1.000฿0.010Prog. Jackpots
Roulette
Slots   
฿0.020
฿0.020
฿0.020   
฿10.000
฿10.000
฿10.000   
Features a live dealer roulette !
   Tested
   bccasino (Admin) is forum member
   Mass amounts of games.
   Can play with installed software
   or in Flash popup.
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bitZinoGrinKiss฿0.000001฿?Roulette
Craps
฿0.000001฿10.000000Admin is a forum member (very helpful).
   Nice Clean UI.
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bitcoinslotsKiss฿0.010฿?Slots฿0.010฿?Not to be confused with bitcoinslot.
   Admin is forum member tentob
   Site currently in beta.
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BTC-playCoolKiss฿?฿?Roulette
Slots
Yahtzee   
฿0.010
฿0.010
฿0.010   
฿?
฿?
฿?   
Admin is a forum member.
   Fast Payout.
   Features multiplayer roulette with CPU dealer.
   Parts of the site are in German,
   Some games are only in German,
   but most are easy for English use.
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BitCoinGamerGrinKiss฿?฿?Coin Toss
Darts
Keno
Pai Gow
Roulette
Sic Bo
Slots   
฿0.001
฿0.001
฿0.001
฿0.001
฿0.001
฿0.001
฿0.001   
฿0.165
฿?
฿?
฿?
฿?
฿0.059
฿?   
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StrikeSapphireKiss฿?฿?Keno
Multiplayer Craps
Roulette
Slots   
$0.05
$0.10
$0.01
$0.05   
$0.25
$5.00
$5.00
$1.25   
Not available to the US.
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LuckyCoin฿?฿?Roulette
Slots
฿0.010฿?.
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GoldGameLandCoolKiss฿?฿?Roulette
Coin Flip
High/Low
฿?฿?Admin GCInc. is a forum member.
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BTCdiceHuh฿?฿?Dice฿?฿?Site is Offline.
The method used to generate results is not verifiable !!!, link
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BittleShipsCoolKiss฿0.001฿?Battleship฿0.001฿?Site Offline
   Admin is forum member.
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ProbIWonGrin฿0.010฿0.010Darts฿0.010฿25.000Site appears offline.
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Poker:

Site - Key - Min Cash In - Min Cash Out - Games - Min Bet - Max Bet - Comments -
pmpokerCool฿0.001฿0.100Poker฿0.001฿800.000Online casino est since 2000 adds bitcoin support Smiley
   Announcement thread.
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SealsWithClubsCoolKiss฿0.001฿0.100Texas Holdem฿0.001฿800.000Regular Tournaments, Free rolls
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SwitchPokerCoolKiss฿?฿10.000Texas Holdem€0.10€?Allows cashing in via bitcoin and converting to EURO to play.
They are also trialing bitcoin games.
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StrikeSapphireCoolKiss฿0.01$5.00Mississippi Seven
Omaha
Seven Card Stud
Sapphire Rummy
Texas Holdem
Sit & Go buyins
$0.02
$0.02
$0.02
$0.02
$0.02
$0.40
$1000
$1000
$1000
$1000
$1000
$10000
Not available to US
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BitWorldPokerCool฿?฿?Texas Holdem฿?฿?Site is in Spanish but easy to navigate.
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Video Poker:

Site - Key - Min Cash In - Min Cash Out - Games - Min Bet - Max Bet - Comments -
bitcoinvideopokerKiss฿0.00000001฿0.02Jacks or Better฿0.001฿.005Site Admin is a forum member (...).
We provide all provably fair information on the website after every game you play.  Features: 0 confirmations required for deposits (2 confirmations required for withdrawals),  Double or nothing,  some of the best gambling odds for bitcoin available (99.5% ex. return).
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play.luckco.inKiss฿0.001฿0.001Jacks or Better
Slots
฿0.001฿.005Site Admin is a forum member (abrkn).
Makes a decent attempt of being fair, could probably be better. open source.
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bitZinoGrinKiss฿0.000001฿?Jacks or Better฿0.000001฿10.000000Admin is a forum member (very helpful).
   Nice Clean UI.
   Newly Added (Thanks for letting me know Stephen).
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BC-CasinoCoolKiss฿1.000฿0.010Baccarat
Jacks or Better
฿0.100
฿0.100
฿10.000
฿10.000
Tested
   bccasino (Admin) is forum member.
   Can play with installed software
   or in Flash popup.
   .
BitCoinGamerGrinKiss฿?฿?Badugi,
Deuces Wild
Jacks Up
Mingus Jupiters
Red Dog
฿0.001
฿0.001
฿0.001
฿0.001
฿0.001
฿0.050
฿0.050
฿0.050
฿0.050
฿0.050
Admin is extremely helpful
   and open to suggestions for new games.
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LuckyCoin฿?฿?Jacks or Better
Red Dog
฿0.050฿?.
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StrikeSapphireKiss฿0.01$5.00Deuces Wild
Bonus Poker
Jacks or Better
Video Poker
   
$0.05
$0.05
$0.05
$0.05   
$0.25
$1.25
$1.25
$1.25   
Not available to the US.
   .


Black Jack:

Site - Key - Min Cash In - Min Cash Out - Games - Min Bet - Max Bet - Comments -
BC-CasinoCoolKiss฿1.000฿0.010BlackJack฿0.100฿10.000bccasino (Admin) is forum member
   Mass amounts of games.
   Can play with installed software
   or in Flash popup.
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bitZinoGrinKiss฿0.000001฿?BlackJack฿0.000001฿10.000000Admin is a forum member (very helpful).
   Nice Clean UI.
   Announcement thread on reddit.
   .
   .
LuckyCoin฿?฿?BlackJack฿0.050฿?.
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BTC-playCoolKiss฿?฿?BlackJack฿0.001฿1.000Admin is Forum member.
   Fast payout.
   Features multiplayer blackjack.
   Parts of the Site are in German,
   Some Games are only in German,
   but most are easy for English use.
   .
StrikeSapphireCoolKiss฿0.01$5.00BlackJack$0.10$15.00Not available to the US
   Max bet is $15 for new players.
   $25 for regular players.
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F.P.S. :
Site - Key - Min Cash In - Min Cash Out - Games - Min Bet - Max Bet - Comments -
bitcointerrorCoolGrin฿?฿?Urban Terror฿?฿?Offline Sad
Fantastic concept (I want moar of these).
   Admin has gone to good lengths to prevent cheating via bot.

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Lotteries:

Site - Key - Min Cash In - Min Cash Out - Games - Min Bet - Max Bet - Comments -
BitDrawKiss฿0.001฿0.001BitDraw฿0.001฿∞Bitcoin (BTC) deposits are converted to game tokens (TKN) as are token withdrawals converted back into Bitcoin.  Static exchange rate is 1:1000.
Admin is a forum member.
   .
taablGrinKiss฿0.1฿0.00000001BitPick฿0.1฿0.1Wagers are divided in tickets that have a face value, so Max individual bet depends on the game (currently 1 BTC for Pick 2) but any deposit will be accepted.
Admin is a forum member.
   .
Dream Islands LotteryCoolKiss฿0.050฿0.100Monthly฿0.050฿∞Announcement and Discussion thread
   Admin is a forum member
BitCashLottoCool฿?฿?User Created฿0.005฿?Recommended  by bitcoinlotto.
   .
btclotCool฿?฿?Daily
User Created
฿?฿?run by a forum member.
   .
   .
BitCoinLottery฿?฿?Bomb (Weekly)
Heptagon
฿0.200
฿0.005
฿?
฿?
Admin is a forum member.
   .
   .
btcblinkCoolKiss฿0.01฿0.250Monthly฿0.001฿∞Announcement and Discussion thread
   Admin is a forum member
   Concerns raised over random number generation and selection.
   Admin is working to improve random number generation.
   .


Betting:

Site - Key - Min Cash In - Min Cash Out - Games - Min Bet - Max Bet - Comments -
BetsofBitco.inCool฿0.100฿?Bet on anything฿0.100฿∞* Be careful when betting on vague/ open bet descriptions thread.
Admin coinjedi.
bitbet.us฿0.100฿?Bet on anything฿0.100฿∞* Admin is an outspoken racistRacism
* Site operator potentially involved in bet scam
Admin is a turd on the forums MrPOO-ER.
BtcSportsBetCool฿?฿?Sport event bets฿?฿?.
AnoniBetCool฿?฿?Sport event bets฿?฿?.
BackCoinCool฿0.010฿0.010Starcraft Tourn.฿0.010฿∞One of the site Admins is a forum member.
   Bet on tournament results.
   .
btclotCool฿?฿?Bet on Anything฿?฿?run by a forum member.
BTFutureCool฿?฿?Bet on Anything฿?฿?.
btcfanCool฿?฿?Bet on Anything฿?฿?.


PENDING


Being listed under pending simply means some questions have been raised and are waiting on answers.
As this is a newbie friendly guide only fully endorsed sites make the main list.
Pending in no way indicates the site is a scam, it can mean many things such as the site is still in beta or simply requires testing.
When time permits I try to give a site a thorough testing by playing all the games, cashing in and out twice, first with a profit and secondly profit/loss.

SiteKeyMin BetComments
btcontiltKiss฿?New site.
   Admin is a forum member.
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syndiquick฿?newly added, will be reviewed shortly Smiley.
   Recommended by a forum member msg.
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CasinoBit฿?newly added, will be reviewed shortly Smiley.
   Recommended by forum member madmadmax.
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satoshipoker฿?newly added, will be reviewed shortly Smiley.


SCAM / UNATTENDED


SCAMJust like a broken vending machine these sites take your money and dont give you anything back / do not deliver as advertised.
UNATTENDEDThe site appears to be no longer maintained.
The site may work and may occasionally just eat your money, all efforts to contact the admin have failed (play at your own risk).
MISLEADINGThe site has misleading descriptions (ie payouts) to the players disadvantage.
For example a site that advertises a 2x payout multiplier with 50% odds, where in fact the odds and or multiplier are actually lower.
SiteKeyStatusComments
BitLottoLips sealed CoolGrinKissNO_PAYOUTSAdmin is forum member., trying to follow this up now. Thank you for the notice Stephen.
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satoshcircleLips sealedUNPROVENI have requested  the admin explain how users can trust the site provided seed generator and have been met with only insults.
I have tried many different ways to approach this topic and the admin bluntly refuses to back up his claims of provably fair - be warned
Admin has gotten in contact with me, seems we got off to a bad start, expect full review to be completed shortly.
btcchessLips sealedDOWNAdmin is forum member.
   Site uses modified chess rules to prevent cheating.
   Site currently down.
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BitcoinSlotCryLips sealedUNATTENDEDSite is offline, users not paid
   .
BitJack21CryLips sealedUNATTENDEDOngoing Payout issues, non responsive admin.
   I was notified by several users regarding payout issues.
   I have attempted to contact Andrew but no response yet.
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http://satoshidice.netAngryCryLips sealedSCAMA domain squatter with a html clone clone of satoshidice.com
   This site does not pay out at all.
   It just hopes to collect deposits from gamers who put in the wrong url.
   Admin Unresponsive.
   .
http://betcoin.euLips sealedCryUNATTENDEDAppears to determine if next number is a winner than has a bot place.  
   I have personally seen a "player" wake up after 16 hours of inactivity to place a single bet of 0.1.
   My bet of 9 btc would of been next, the "player" then goes offline for another 12 hours.
   Bet deposited, confirmed but not placed, no refund.
   Admin Unresponsive.
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http://bitcointoss.com/AngryCryLips sealedSCAM, UNATTENDEDNumerous non payouts.
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http://btcflip.com/AngryCryLips sealedSCAMMostly does not payout.
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http://btcriches.com/AngryCryLips sealedSCAMDoes not payout
   .
http://bitcoindouble.com/AngryCryLips sealedSCAMDoes not payout.
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- Newbie Tips -


  • Paying transaction fees will speed up your deposits and help the network.
  • Create address for each site for receiving winnings to help track payouts and earnings.
  • Label deposits using the sites name, this helps find lost deposits in the event of a site error (with the help of the sites admin).
  • If your balance is to low to cash out (on sites that have a minimum), deposit enough btc to the site to cash out.


INFORMATION


To make this list you need:

  • No issues of non payment
  • Reliable cash out processing
  • Helpful admins (when contact is needed)
  • Fair games (ideally md5 or sha1 hashes to prove the results are not based on the clients bet amount)
  • No outstanding disputes regarding fairness
  • No Pyramid Schemes or Ponzi Schemes sorry

Alternate lists:
I do not cover ponzi's or pyramids (ever) and I also do not cover alt currencies (yet), check out some of the other maintained lists for gambling.



Reference Articles
   Using SHA512 hash as random number generator for Gambling services

Game Review
   Looking for some advice on how to ensure your game is fair and  that people can trust results generated ?. Please see my thread generating fair results
   Start a thread announcing your game.

Notes:

  • This list is a WIP, it is based on my experiences so far in addition to those of other forum members only.

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May 22, 2013, 09:21:58 AM
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quoting old list for prosperity

prosperity : the condition of being successful or thriving

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posterity : all future generations

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May 22, 2013, 10:08:18 AM
 #486

Small error I noticed, mem.



SD has a 500 BTC min cash out Tongue May mislead people if left like that
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SD has a 500 BTC min cash out Tongue May mislead people if left like that

SD doesn't really have cash-in or cash-out, since it doesn't have accounts.  It has a min and a max bet.  I'll update the spreadsheet so it should be fixed next time mem posts here.

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May 22, 2013, 02:03:45 PM
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SD has a 500 BTC min cash out Tongue May mislead people if left like that

SD doesn't really have cash-in or cash-out, since it doesn't have accounts.  It has a min and a max bet.  I'll update the spreadsheet so it should be fixed next time mem posts here.

Thanks Dooglus, for sites like these (instant blockchain betting) I like to set their min bet as the min cash in/out.

Just added http://bitbattle.me/

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Thanks Dooglus, for sites like these (instant blockchain betting) I like to set their min bet as the min cash in/out.

Ah.  Just after editing the cash-in/out fields last night the power went out here, so I didn't know if my edits were saved or not.  I checked again this morning and they were back at min/bet bet, so I thought they hadn't been saved, and made the changes again.  Doesn't it make sense to differentiate between games where you can have an account and games where you can't?


I sorted the spreadsheet into alphabetical order, so it's easier to find the games.

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Thanks Dooglus, for sites like these (instant blockchain betting) I like to set their min bet as the min cash in/out.

Ah.  Just after editing the cash-in/out fields last night the power went out here, so I didn't know if my edits were saved or not.  I checked again this morning and they were back at min/bet bet, so I thought they hadn't been saved, and made the changes again.  Doesn't it make sense to differentiate between games where you can have an account and games where you can't?


I sorted the spreadsheet into alphabetical order, so it's easier to find the games.

yes It does make sense.

There seems to be 3 types of games:
* blockchain only - SDice
* Account System (ie seals)
* Address/Hash based Account System, SatoshiCircle, BitcoinGamer, BitcoinDarts.

Maybe I can use the blockchain.info icon to indicate its a blockchain game, still thinking about it Smiley

Thanks for tidying up the spreadsheet (headers, A-Z etc), helps me as well.

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May 23, 2013, 05:02:26 AM
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INVALID BBCODE: loop, probably unclosed tags

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Hi,

My game has been indirectly endorsed by a trusted community member as provably fair. Also, I am the only private individual (that is not a corporation or some other entity) that offers an afterlife payment guarantee. This means, the winner gets paid even if I get hit by a bus or a train or otherwise am incapacitated or dead.

But I don't have a website yet.

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tweaked script, now properly handles N/A in min cash in/out Smiley
Dabs (and other new sites), can you fill in the below please.

Code:
Site Name:
URL:
Thread:
Player vs Player (yes/no):
Provably Fair (yes/no):
Games:
Edge%:
Admin Email:
Admin Profile:
Min Cash In:
Min Cash Out:
Min Bet:
Max Bet:
Notes:

I personally dislike forum run lotteries due to the inherent risk, but Im happy to list it as Pending and monitor it while its run (which I try to do with all lottery sites and event betting sites).

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Code:
Site Name: Dabs Lotto Number 2
URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212855
Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212855
Player vs Player (yes/no): Yes
Provably Fair (yes/no): Yes
Games:
Edge%: Winner Receives up to 100%. Please read the fine print. 20% goes to next game.
Admin Email:
Admin Profile: Dabs
Min Cash In: 0.01
Min Cash Out: 0.01
Min Bet: 0.01
Max Bet: 1000.00
Notes: Afterlife Payment Guaranteed = Get the Prize Even if I'm Dead

I personally dislike forum run lotteries due to the inherent risk, but Im happy to list it as Pending and monitor it while its run (which I try to do with all lottery sites and event betting sites).

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Probably should include this for US visitors: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208112.0
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Probably should include this for US visitors: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208112.0

Cant do tables ? Tongue

No, I wont be helping US players circumvent a SDICE's own policy or the law.
They can google it themselves Smiley

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Code:
Site Name: Dabs Lotto Number 2
URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212855
Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212855
Player vs Player (yes/no): Yes
Provably Fair (yes/no): Yes
Games:
Edge%: Winner Receives up to 100%. Please read the fine print. 20% goes to next game.
Admin Email:
Admin Profile: Dabs
Min Cash In: 0.01
Min Cash Out: 0.01
Min Bet: 0.01
Max Bet: 1000.00
Notes: Afterlife Payment Guaranteed = Get the Prize Even if I'm Dead

I personally dislike forum run lotteries due to the inherent risk, but Im happy to list it as Pending and monitor it while its run (which I try to do with all lottery sites and event betting sites).

Does the thread change every time for each new draw ? Its going to be a pain for me to keep changing your URL Tongue

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I personally dislike forum run lotteries due to the inherent risk, but Im happy to list it as Pending and monitor it while its run (which I try to do with all lottery sites and event betting sites).

Is there really any extra risk when a game doesn't have a website?

SatoshiDice could easily operate without a website.  All they need is the blockchain and somewhere to publish their addresses.  A forum thread could work for that.  I don't think a web presence really reduces risk at all.  Pirate had a website.  So did BitcoinMax.

If the operator decides to run off with people's bets, having a website isn't going to stop him.

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May 23, 2013, 08:55:18 PM
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I personally dislike forum run lotteries due to the inherent risk, but Im happy to list it as Pending and monitor it while its run (which I try to do with all lottery sites and event betting sites).

Is there really any extra risk when a game doesn't have a website?

SatoshiDice could easily operate without a website.  All they need is the blockchain and somewhere to publish their addresses.  A forum thread could work for that.  I don't think a web presence really reduces risk at all.  Pirate had a website.  So did BitcoinMax.

If the operator decides to run off with people's bets, having a website isn't going to stop him.

It's an interesting point and I guess you could say it simply reduces exposure, nothing more, nothing less.

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Edge%: Winner Receives up to 100%. Please read the fine print. 20% goes to next game.

Where's the fine print?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=202063 doesn't mention anything about 20% being held back.  In fact it explicitly says this, which implies no more than 5% is held back:

About Dabs' Raffle:

[...] 95% of tickets sales go to the winner.

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