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September 07, 2014, 02:08:46 PM
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hi james when u get a minite can u explain why btcd is dropping in price thanks
hi james when u get a minite can u explain why euro is dropping in price thanks

SuperNET draining fiat into crypto.

I know I'm not James, but couldn't resist that.
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September 07, 2014, 02:10:16 PM
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hi james when u get a minite can u explain why btcd is dropping in price thanks
more sellers than buyers

http://www.digitalcatallaxy.com/report2015.html
100+ page annual report for SuperNET
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September 07, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
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hi james when u get a minite can u explain why btcd is dropping in price thanks
hi james when u get a minite can u explain why euro is dropping in price thanks

SuperNET draining fiat into crypto.

I know I'm not James, but couldn't resist that.
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September 07, 2014, 02:21:04 PM
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hi james when u get a minite can u explain why btcd is dropping in price thanks
more sellers than buyers

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September 07, 2014, 02:42:20 PM
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Did Poloniex entertain QIBUCK ICO but not SuperNET? Are the laws different for different types of ICOs? I slacked off on making a BTER account Sad

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September 07, 2014, 02:43:18 PM
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James and I have been discussing both SuperNET and Bitmark extensively, to see how they may benefit the wider community together.

We have a gentleman's agreement that:

1. Our future extensive work on creating a public api which liberates the block chain and mounts it on the web will be applied in the future to supernet, once it is tested matured and proven, so all coins which implement supernet will benefit from our work.

2. Marking will be integrated in to the SuperNET GUI once ready to layer on additional functionality, such as voting where all candidates get a fair apportionment of reputation+money based on merit and demand, rather than traditional voting which entails picking a single winner.

3. Ongoing outreach and communication between both projects, to align work and vision, and drive the effort of consolidation together, with any other like minded projects who may share complimenting goals.

We will not be joining SuperNET as there is no benefit to either of us in doing so, but we will be joining in the spirit and working closely together.

I'd like to thank James for his time and understanding, he is a busy man but I believe he has best interests at heart, and critically some moral fiber.

Warm Regards,

Mark, on behalf of the Bitmark Community.
Thank you!

This is the purpose of SuperNET, so that each coin is able to determine how it is best to be interacting with SuperNET. My understanding (still learning!) of bitmark is that is providing many useful services and that it is possible to invoke them via the bitmark API, so like the SuperNET is using other API, it can use the bitmark API and when I add support for this in the Tradebots, any tradebot will be able to directly mark.

Anyway, the bitmark is operating in the web sphere and SuperNET has a web GUI, so this is a logical place for linking the two.

I have heard some fears that their coin will be "taken over" by SuperNET, which is kind of like saying the internet protocol will take over your browser. The SuperNET is to provide services, think of it like long distance telephone service. There are loose integrations all the way to compile time linkages, so it is all depending on the desires and needs of each coin community.

I hope that by the end of this month to have some reference examples on how to utilize SuperNET. this will make it easier for any coin to access the services offered by SuperNET.

James

I just bought some bitmark, everytime James mention a coin it multiply by 10

Hahaha I was right, wait for USA to wake up!

BTM/BTC +28.4%

I thought James talking about another coin will multiply its price by 10, well this time his magic did not last long, but at least made me aware of a good coin like Bitmark, James can you mention BTM again to see if this time the magic last a bit longer Smiley
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September 07, 2014, 02:44:52 PM
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Thanks for the quote. This https://altcoinherald.com/supernet-seeks-unify-warring-altcoin-states/ says what the purpose of SuperNET is but not how it works and the OP is a wall of text Smiley Could you direct me to the parts which describe how it is supposed to "unite all altcoins"?
https://www.github.com/jl777/libjl777 has the source code. I have posted technical details on how to interface coins.
I cannot answer a general question.
There is not description how the goal outlined in the altcoinherald (~unite all altcoins) is supposed to be accomplished besides the code itself? Smiley
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September 07, 2014, 03:06:00 PM
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Did Poloniex entertain QIBUCK ICO but not SuperNET? Are the laws different for different types of ICOs? I slacked off on making a BTER account Sad

As stated previously, Poloniex sought advice from their lawyers regarding IPO/ICO's as a direct result of people posting in this thread their concerns that it might contravene SEC rules in the US. They were advised by their legal team not to proceed with the superNET ICO and, having been made aware of the potential complications, could not risk hosting it.

I think you'll now find that Poloniex will not be permitting any more ICO's until they receive legal confirmation that it is safe to do so without falling foul of the regulatory environment they operate in, as a US-based exchange.

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Thanks for the quote. This https://altcoinherald.com/supernet-seeks-unify-warring-altcoin-states/ says what the purpose of SuperNET is but not how it works and the OP is a wall of text Smiley Could you direct me to the parts which describe how it is supposed to "unite all altcoins"?
https://www.github.com/jl777/libjl777 has the source code. I have posted technical details on how to interface coins.
I cannot answer a general question.
There is not description how the goal outlined in the altcoinherald (~unite all altcoins) is supposed to be accomplished besides the code itself? Smiley
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SuperNET doc, see OP.
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I see the IPO is running full steam ahead so first congratulations are in order.

Keiretsu? Wow! I really have to say you know your finance stuff (or researched well). Most of crypto people would have been tongue tied answering the question with sensible arguments.

That said, first lets look at Keiretsu -- By definition it says different companies but by its working it is also about different promoters too. Here you are investing in your own assets that too borrowed from people. So it really isn't Keiretsu. Now you might say otherwise but one of the founding principles of Keiretsu is to lower risk for the companies too. In all of these assets there is one single biggest risk and that is YOU!!

JLH might be a "balanced fund" but now out of 9 assets it holds 4 of them have association with you - MgwLTC, MgwBTCD, Coinomat and NSC. On looking at trades I find it recently even held Nxtprivacy which was traded or transferred making it 50% (5 out of 10) in your own assets being held by jl777 (until yesterday):
https://nxtblocks.info/#section/txid/13869109530637325948
https://nxtblocks.info/#section/txid/18177681832696022121

Now the recipient account NXT-EVK5-KLZV-NHSZ-H4Z7R was first created on 5th and it doesn't show any bid order placements -- to buy NXTprivacy on an open market, so you have to wonder how it now owns 2.5% of the asset without any trades. Was it via some kind of trade/agreement? I don't know but makes you wonder for sure. The account received transactions from two NXT accounts:
https://nxtblocks.info/#section/accountId/NXT-ALP6-JWLS-K25S-DYTMB
https://nxtblocks.info/#section/accountId/NXT-R8SQ-TUEM-DTHQ-7ATA3

both of which again hold your assets (percentage wise)

I have just scratched the surface of your holdings and their transfer patterns. I am sure if I dig enough a pattern will emerge. To me it looks like an inter transfer to build up volume and price. This is possible because.............all transactions on NXT using 1 NXT as a fee instead of a percentage share (this is the achille's heel of NXT itself) , not really a big one if you can forge/get those back in the market, isnt?

Is there something fishy about your offering? Yes. Am I 100% sure about whats going on? No, cause I am not a full time auditor Tongue

So everyone buying this ICO (and saying "we have read the thread and understood") just be careful. JL777 has been kind enough to ask only 1 BTC if you doubt him, I would wager 0.01 BTC. But as I said in my original post, if you are being greedy, you will deserve what is coming.
All my accts are published
All my tx are on the blockchain
I do occasionally do market rate swaps to rebalance and focus a particular asset to a specific area
I dont have time to play games with the orderbook, so while you are more intelligent than most of the people accusing me of unethical behavior, the fact that you think mgwLTC is an asset of mine indicates you are not quite understanding of things

Now I have heard the many requests of people to better understand the assets. Since it sounds like you are already doing some analysis, do you want to work together so we can get some nice understandable documentation. I dont do GUI and I consider this sort of like a GUI, so I guess this is financial GUI.

If you are really interested in protecting people instead of just trying to smear my reputation, I expect an acceptance of this. We can do all the discussions of the internal transactions here, in the open. I have nothing to hide

James
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Yes your accounts are published and yes they are on the blockchain. Problem is even with such an open book, it would require people to either not be really teary-eyed or be an excellent auditor to dig what is really happening.

MgwLTC is not your asset? Well honest mistake. If you think I am intelligent you certainly have to wonder how the mistake came about -- the answer is Nxt forum profile look up sucks, I can see your posts but not your opened threads. That makes it difficult to dig through all your assets you have issued. I assumed MgwLTC is similar to the BTC/BTCD offerings. So I do have understanding of things, its my digging which got hindered.

That said, I am certainly not out to smear or protect anyone. I don't have a horse in this race. If you remember, my initial question to you was "how come what you are doing is not a Ponzi", you said your asset formation is Keiretsu, along with me being lazy and what not, which it isnt. If you really are not doing anything wrong, answer these initial queries:

a. What is your holding pattern in each of the assets? This will clarify how much of your one asset is owned by another asset. ie answer the ponzi query clearly.

b. Even if you are consider these linked assets as Keiretsu, how do you mitigate the single point of risk - YOU. Not only from a scam point of view but also from unforeseen events too - say an IRL issues, many of us have those.

c. If your answer to above is "escrow", then who/what will be holding the "escrow". What are the terms? I have gone through the pdf and don't see the escrow terms.
It has been quite apparent from the syscoin, another IPO I bought into, that the escrow in crypto space is corrupt. slex has been changing terms for that escrow as and when he likes. worst part, his contention was wallet and blockchain, even in non-working form was enough for him to hold the coins.


That "suspicious" 2.5% of NXTprivacy was my donation to the BTCD community. We had a fund raiser to help pay for some bounties and I offered to match the value of the donations with some of my personal NXTprivacy. With the BTCD price going up about 3x from the time I made this offer last month, I decided to just send in the entire 25000 NXTprivacy I had allocated for this donation, before the BTCD price increase would prevent me from being able to match with the 25000 NXTprivacy.

I know I am just so evil

James

P.S. If you look at any NXT acct with more than 100K NXT in it, my guess is that they probably have at least one, if not many of my assets. For some reason, the fact that they have gained over 125 million NXT in the last 4 months has made them popular.
This post makes me wonder if you are actually two person Tongue (no smearing meant).

Read my initial post - " Was it via some kind of trade/agreement? I don't know but makes you wonder for sure" So no I dint say you were evil but yes it was surprising for an BTCD outsider. Wouldn't you agree?

As for the donation, you donated it out of the JHL asset (from what I can see on the blockchain) and not your personal account. So how come it is your personal NXTprivacy assets? Or have I missed some documentation where assets held by your own assets like JHL are your personal stash? Similar thing has happened with SuperNet, isnt it? You have allocated the 10% BBR held by sharkfund0 to this asset, maybe within your rights as a fund manager. then  you could do something similar next time too, couldnt you? Open another asset called SuperDuperNet and allocate 5-10% of Supernet to it..see where I am coming from?

If we were to talk about playing with the orderbook, please explain me this. Instadex (again another of your asset) was stuck at 40 NXT for quite a long time. You came up with the first draft of Supernet where you disclosed about the increasing ownership in Instadex. A market changing information, it actually broke the range and now is at a high of 57 NXT. Would you say this was correct in your part? Specially when yourself talk about "jl777 effect" and then pump your own asset, knowingly/unknowingly?

Anyways, I think I have posted enough proofs for people to look into. Its up to them to decide what they want to do. If giving you 10k BTC is their prerogative, so be it.
The mgwCOIN assets are issued by the MGW asset. They represent the COIN held in multisig deposit accts. so I did indirectly issue the mgwLTC asset, but this asset is 100% backed by LTC. That was my point. you keep saying my assets are vapor, and list mgw assets, which indicated you are not understanding as the mgw assets are 100% backed by the corresponding crypto

Please do not just make up something and present it like a fact.
txids 13869109530637325948 and 18177681832696022121 are for 500 and 24500 NXTprivacy assets from my personal acct NXT-DE2F-W76R-GL25-HMFPR into the BTCD donation acct NXT-DE2F-W76R-GL25-HMFPR
So you falsely accuse me of taking assets from the JLH account all the while pretending you are being factual.

I have not taken any BBR out of sharkfund0, that would be wrong. There has to be marketrate swaps to move assets between two different accts. I have been careful to always follow this. Please find a single case where I have taken anything from one assets holding to any other that was not done at marketrate. And please do not just state you stole this from this fund, without any proofs.

the plan is to put sharkfund0 assets that I own personally into SuperNET acct. since the BBR is in the sharkfund0 holdings if the sharkfund0 goes into the SuperNET, then the BBR is effectively inside SuperNET.

I have disclosed that I did not have so much InstantDEX (7%) and that this would not be able to match the other core assets. I saw that there was a meaningful amount of InstantDEX on the orderbooks and as I was consolidating the assets (I disclosed this also) I was able to increase my personal holdings of InstantDEX so it will most likely be able to be balanced with the other core assets. I did all this BEFORE any funds were raised and I am not doing any market actions during the offering.

So please dig up all these "proofs" of unethical behavior. I am confident I will refute every single one of your "proofs" as I hold myself to a higher ethical standard.

I presume you are declining my offer to do any real work, so this makes it clear you attempt was to smear my honor.
Thank you for revealing yourself so clearly to everyone.

My offer stands for you to help document all the transactions I have done. I predict you will either not return, or come up with some excuse, or more likely post more "proofs" about all my unethical shenanigans that dont exist.

James
 
Hmm...not return/make excuses. So first you say its Keiretsu, I demolish that. Then you accuse me of "not understanding your grand plans". I say ok, answer three questions. Again you avoid answering questions and make up some BS story. Let me take your own post apart:

"Please do not just make up something and present it like a fact.
txids 13869109530637325948 and 18177681832696022121 are for 500 and 24500 NXTprivacy assets from my personal acct NXT-DE2F-W76R-GL25-HMFPR into the BTCD donation acct NXT-EVK5-KLZV-NHSZ-H4Z7R
So you falsely accuse me of taking assets from the JLH account all the while pretending you are being factual."

The JLH issuing account is - NXT-DE2F-W76R-GL25-HMFPR, which I guess was the JLH account. But now you say its your personal account. As you say I am "making" things up, so:
1. Why use a personal account as the issuing account? I have checked your other assets InstaDex and sharkfund0, these werent done from this account?
2. If this is your personal account, pray where you are holding jl777's coins/assets? The account name? Can you state the facts for me please?

BBR and the sharkfund0 -- "Boolberry’s market cap stands at around $400,000 and a 10 percent share – already obtained by sharkfund0, most of which will be going into the SuperNET core – would cost only 80 BTC." -- from your pdf. Now how can one read this, tell me? Two ways:

1. You are investing coins from sharkfund0 into supernet, market rate or not, doesn't matter. Effectively propping Supernet with watever btc (4k BTC, was it?) sharkfund0 has. A market news of Supernet raising say 7k BTC (doesn't matter if it contains 4k BTC from sharkfund0, is a market moving news, isnt?)

2. You are investing a percentage of the sharkfund0 into supernet (keeping in with the risk mitigation and all). Say 40% of sharkfund0 --- that wud amount to only effective 4% of BBR being invested. Wouldn't it?

Now as you clarified (or provided proof Wink ) that you will be investing your personal sharkfund0. Fair enough. How much do you hold? And how much of BBR wud it represent? Not 10% for sure.

I have a theory for Mgw but lets not talk about it as it will piss you off more. Wink

That all said, you say I declined your offer to do any real work. I already asked you some questions. Let me repeat them again:
a. What is your holding pattern in each of the assets? This will clarify how much of your one asset is owned by another asset. ie answer the ponzi query clearly. --> Or do you want me to dig up info which you should be having already?

b. Even if you are consider these linked assets as Keiretsu, how do you mitigate the single point of risk - YOU. Not only from a scam point of view but also from unforeseen events too - say an IRL issues, many of us have those.  --> This is more out of concern for you and people both. But fuck it, why have a contingency plan when you are the great jl777 --- no one should question you.

c. If your answer to above is "escrow", then who/what will be holding the "escrow". What are the terms? I have gone through the pdf and don't see the escrow terms.
It has been quite apparent from the syscoin, another IPO I bought into, that the escrow in crypto space is corrupt. slex has been changing terms for that escrow as and when he likes. worst part, his contention was wallet and blockchain, even in non-working form was enough for him to hold the coins.  --> If I remember correctly you were still looking for escrow options. Things weren't finalised before the IPO kicked off. Now can we get some clarity?

That said, stop beating around the bush about your stellar reputation and ask for things which you know cant be done by a single guy -- audit all your asset transactions. Answer the above queries and we can be done with it. If you want to scream "SMEAR! SMEAR!" then be my guest. I wont be doing this back and forth for an IPO, I am not going to buy.
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September 07, 2014, 03:27:07 PM
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is there a whitepaper somewhere?

read the OP. Lots of info and links there.

not same as whitepaper. but thanks. i will start reading a bit more then.

This you mean?

http://209.126.70.170/SuperNET.pdf



yes, that i mean. muchas gracias.

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September 07, 2014, 03:33:33 PM
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Did Poloniex entertain QIBUCK ICO but not SuperNET? Are the laws different for different types of ICOs? I slacked off on making a BTER account Sad

As stated previously, Poloniex sought advice from their lawyers regarding IPO/ICO's as a direct result of people posting in this thread their concerns that it might contravene SEC rules in the US. They were advised by their legal team not to proceed with the superNET ICO and, having been made aware of the potential complications, could not risk hosting it.

I think you'll now find that Poloniex will not be permitting any more ICO's until they receive legal confirmation that it is safe to do so without falling foul of the regulatory environment they operate in, as a US-based exchange.

That did not answer my question. Let me rephrase the question.

Did Poloniex seek their lawyers' input while conducting QIBUCK ICO?

1) Yes they did seek, and the lawyers said yes proceed.
2) Yes they did seek, and the lawyers said no cannot proceed.
3) No they did not seek, and conducted QIBUCK ICO.
4) No they did not seek, and did not conduct QIBUCK ICO.

In case of 3) I can see a big problem already that they were trying to avoid in the first place.

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September 07, 2014, 03:36:15 PM
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jl777 earned 125 mil Nxt coins in 6 months, so 20 mil in one month, 5 mil in a week that has cca 100 James-working-hours.

So one hour of James's work costs 50,000 Nxt coins = 2,000 USD.

1 minute of James's time spent on reading the troll texts costs 30 USD, what a waste of money
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September 07, 2014, 03:36:29 PM
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Thanks for the quote. This https://altcoinherald.com/supernet-seeks-unify-warring-altcoin-states/ says what the purpose of SuperNET is but not how it works and the OP is a wall of text Smiley Could you direct me to the parts which describe how it is supposed to "unite all altcoins"?
https://www.github.com/jl777/libjl777 has the source code. I have posted technical details on how to interface coins.
I cannot answer a general question.
There is not description how the goal outlined in the altcoinherald (~unite all altcoins) is supposed to be accomplished besides the code itself? Smiley
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September 07, 2014, 03:37:50 PM
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Why are people selling NET for 126.99999999, 126.99999998, etc via NXT Asset Exchange? How can they profit from that? Arbitrage from BTER?

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September 07, 2014, 03:38:19 PM
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Did Poloniex entertain QIBUCK ICO but not SuperNET? Are the laws different for different types of ICOs? I slacked off on making a BTER account Sad

As stated previously, Poloniex sought advice from their lawyers regarding IPO/ICO's as a direct result of people posting in this thread their concerns that it might contravene SEC rules in the US. They were advised by their legal team not to proceed with the superNET ICO and, having been made aware of the potential complications, could not risk hosting it.

I think you'll now find that Poloniex will not be permitting any more ICO's until they receive legal confirmation that it is safe to do so without falling foul of the regulatory environment they operate in, as a US-based exchange.
so ignorance is bliss after all
we can all thank the fiat FUD guy for killing poloniex ico business

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September 07, 2014, 03:45:16 PM
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Why are people selling NET for 126.99999999, 126.99999998, etc via NXT Asset Exchange? How can they profit from that? Arbitrage from BTER?
you cant withdraw tokens from bter

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September 07, 2014, 03:46:56 PM
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3) No they did not seek, and conducted QIBUCK ICO.
4) No they did not seek, and did not conduct QIBUCK ICO.

In case of 3) I can see a big problem already that they were trying to avoid in the first place.

In the world of cryptocurrency, when trying to work with regulatory environments that are not able to accommodate the unique characteristics of the technology, it is often a case of not asking for permission because the answer will often be an uninformed knee-jerk of a 'No'. So businesses function as best as they can and wait to be told they cannot do something before they cease doing that thing.

In this case, there were repeated FUD posts in this thread claiming that the ICO would fall foul of the SEC, something Poloniex could not ignore and so they had to ask for legal advice because otherwise they could be in a whole heap of trouble on the basis that the issue had been raised where it probably hadn't on previous occasions.

Once a company is told by legal advisors that they should not be doing something, they need to then get clarification that explicitly permits them to continue, otherwise they are likely to be in a lot of trouble when and if the authorities in their jurisdiction get involved.

The sheer size of this ICO, plus the number of people who would love to see it fail, would most definitely have brought forth scrutiny from the SEC, even if it was primarily because someone, somewhere, would likely have contacted them to complain that Poloniex, a US-registered, exchange, were going to host it.


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September 07, 2014, 03:49:46 PM
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Why are people selling NET for 126.99999999, 126.99999998, etc via NXT Asset Exchange? How can they profit from that? Arbitrage from BTER?
you cant withdraw tokens from bter

So people are just selling their coins at a small loss? Changed their minds?

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September 07, 2014, 03:52:55 PM
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Why are people selling NET for 126.99999999, 126.99999998, etc via NXT Asset Exchange? How can they profit from that? Arbitrage from BTER?
you cant withdraw tokens from bter

So people are just selling their coins at a small loss? Changed their minds?

it was possible to do arbitrage, now it's not.
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