in fact aren't they guilty of a serious crime if they LEAVE ISLAM? If so how can someone say they are not Muslim.
I have said number of times there is no punishment if someone leave Islam in Islam.
Are you sure? I'm no expert but punishment for leaving Islam seems to practiced and preached quite a bit though many liberal muslims obviously tend not to believe in it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_IslamIt is Riddah. What I am saying is about leaving Islam. Riddah is a different thing than just leaving Islam. There are different punishments for Riddah but not death penalty AFAIK except maybe in newly created religion.
in fact aren't they guilty of a serious crime if they LEAVE ISLAM? If so how can someone say they are not Muslim.
I have said number of times there is no punishment if someone leave Islam in Islam.
Are you sure? I'm no expert but punishment for leaving Islam seems to practiced and preached quite a bit though many liberal muslims obviously tend not to believe in it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_IslamIt's probable there are vast differences in the practice of Islam in various areas.
But that's all the more reason one should not attempt to speak "For All Islam."
It is not various areas. After death of prophet, some people started to create new group-like which spread wrong beliefs and/or wrong rules such as Salafi, Mujahid Islam etc...
Do you theists realize that you do more to disprove religion in your discourse than any atheist ever could? We proceed from logic. You deny it.
If there were a god AND this god wanted to be worshipped, AND it was all powerful, there would be precisely how many religions and how much ambiguity and sectarianism?
I am not denying logic. In theism-atheism case, logic will vary from person to person but some matches. It's hard to come to a conclusion and to tell that is logic.
One true religion but there can be more if there are fake religions.
My construct was precise, and it's based off of what religions, particularly the "big three", claim
I'll make it more explicit, with a bit of commentary before hand.
I am what is sometimes called a "soft" or "weak" atheist. I do not like those terms, as there is nothing soft nor weak about my position. I actually think the so called "strong" or "positive" atheist has the weaker position. To wit: I do not claim there is no god, I assert without reservation that I believe in no gods. None. Not yours, his, or that weirdo over there. Just as you are an atheist in reference to zeus, apollo, chtulu, whatever. I just belive in one less than you. Because logic dictates that for the religious claims to be true, certain preconditions must be met.
they have not. .
Religious Axiom One: There is a god.
Religious Axiom Two. The presupposed god wishes to be worshipped.
Religious Axiom Three. The presupposed god is omnipotent.
With just these three common religious assumptions (which most religious people take as axiomatic) the whole thing falls apart.
there is no unambiguous evidence that a god or gods exist. One can't disprove a negative, of course, so this in itself does not disprove these religious sentiments.
However, the next two render your answer impossible. If your god is both desiring to be worshipped AND omnipotent, there could not be any "fake" religions. There could only be one, because such a being would not be hidden.
And this is just the beginning. It doesn't address the questions of evil, suffering, social disparity, none of that. And the deeper you dig, the worse it gets. For perspective, I used to be a very religious man. I do not speak from ignorance, I am formerly an ordained minister. Not your religion, but Christianity. I have studied the bible in depth, and could (and have) argue it's merits and deficiencies with just about any well educated minister, cardinal, what have you. I am not as well versed in Islam, as I was born where it holds little sway. (which, by the by, strengthens my argument above). What exposure I have had to Islam tells me two things that matter.
One. Islam is just as internally contradictory as Christianity.
Two. This makes it just as false.
