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[Megaquake]

Frankly: I don't care if the payment is late for one block, five blocks or twenty blocks. Someone probably tried to cheat, and kano is investigating it. This means that all of us may - probably - get more at the end of the day if someone was running a withholding attack. If not, we all will get what we mined for.

What I, personally, would love to read at the end of the day: Who was trying the attack. It happened at Eligius, it happened at Slush's, now at kano.is. I'd love to know who it was or if there is any clue which leads to the attacker...

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[clgrissom3]

New Block by the Monster Addy!

[thedreamer]

Frankly: I don't care if the payment is late for one block, five blocks or twenty blocks. Someone probably tried to cheat, and kano is investigating it. This means that all of us may - probably - get more at the end of the day if someone was running a withholding attack. If not, we all will get what we mined for.

What I, personally, would love to read at the end of the day: Who was trying the attack. It happened at Eligius, it happened at Slush's, now at kano.is. I'd love to know who it was or if there is any clue which leads to the attacker...

I doubt this.. Just bad luck IMO. A withholding 'attack' unless one of the HUGE recent miners on kano.is, would not affect the rest of the miners and the amount of hash we've been sending here.

I am not worried about a scam by kano, as I think he/she/it has been the most honest and informative person with regards to being an open book with this pool as well as helping us with non related questions even.

What got me asking is that I've never had such a long (7blocks) delay of payment ever from kano.is in over a year of mining here. I'm not hurting for it, but I am sure others than run rentals or have smaller rigs/home farms who need the funds to secure payments for electricity or gear costs, hosting, etc., are in the negative already.

[Megaquake]

Frankly: I don't care if the payment is late for one block, five blocks or twenty blocks. Someone probably tried to cheat, and kano is investigating it. This means that all of us may - probably - get more at the end of the day if someone was running a withholding attack. If not, we all will get what we mined for.

What I, personally, would love to read at the end of the day: Who was trying the attack. It happened at Eligius, it happened at Slush's, now at kano.is. I'd love to know who it was or if there is any clue which leads to the attacker...

I doubt this.. Just bad luck IMO. A withholding 'attack' unless one of the HUGE recent miners on kano.is, would not affect the rest of the miners and the amount of hash we've been sending here.

I am not worried about a scam by kano, as I think he/she/it has been the most honest and informative person with regards to being an open book with this pool as well as helping us with non related questions even.

What got me asking is that I've never had such a long (7blocks) delay of payment ever from kano.is in over a year of mining here. I'm not hurting for it, but I am sure others than run rentals or have smaller rigs/home farms who need the funds to secure payments for electricity or gear costs, hosting, etc., are in the negative already.

A block withholding attack is where a miner (or mining entity, shh) offers up the dud answers to get the rewards, but, if they actually get the correct answer for a block, they don't hand it over to the pool operator. Doing this is not directly profitable to the miner - the answer is specific to the pool - but if blocks are regularly being withheld from a pool, profits are being shared with people who aren't really contributing. The profitability of that pool then falls, because less is paid out for a given amount of effort/work/dud answers. If the profitability of a pool is lower, people will switch pools

[Megaquake]

Frankly: I don't care if the payment is late for one block, five blocks or twenty blocks. Someone probably tried to cheat, and kano is investigating it. This means that all of us may - probably - get more at the end of the day if someone was running a withholding attack. If not, we all will get what we mined for.

What I, personally, would love to read at the end of the day: Who was trying the attack. It happened at Eligius, it happened at Slush's, now at kano.is. I'd love to know who it was or if there is any clue which leads to the attacker...

I doubt this.. Just bad luck IMO. A withholding 'attack' unless one of the HUGE recent miners on kano.is, would not affect the rest of the miners and the amount of hash we've been sending here.

I am not worried about a scam by kano, as I think he/she/it has been the most honest and informative person with regards to being an open book with this pool as well as helping us with non related questions even.

What got me asking is that I've never had such a long (7blocks) delay of payment ever from kano.is in over a year of mining here. I'm not hurting for it, but I am sure others than run rentals or have smaller rigs/home farms who need the funds to secure payments for electricity or gear costs, hosting, etc., are in the negative already.

A block withholding attack is where a miner (or mining entity, shh) offers up the dud answers to get the rewards, but, if they actually get the correct answer for a block, they don't hand it over to the pool operator. Doing this is not directly profitable to the miner - the answer is specific to the pool - but if blocks are regularly being withheld from a pool, profits are being shared with people who aren't really contributing. The profitability of that pool then falls, because less is paid out for a given amount of effort/work/dud answers. If the profitability of a pool is lower, people will switch pools

Can be done unknowingly by renting hash.

[not.you]

Remember when there was an anomalous miner on slush's pool, he allowed 10PH of worthless mining for over a month and kept paying them for it and then proudly announced he had developed 'provably fair mining' to prevent it ever happening again, but had already been paying 10Ph worth of payouts to them for a month, and never returned the rewards paid to that miner to compensate the rest of the miners. Let's just say we don't want to see that happening here before you complain about a block payout being delayed.

I agree! let Kano do what he does

That is REALLY ff'ed up, 10PH for a month.

That, combined with a total lack of communication from "The Captain", was the final straw for me at slush. I had been mining there since January 2014.

I joined kano.is about 3 weeks ago and haven't looked back.  I really appreciate the constant communication and updates Kano and -ck provide.

I missed this.  I do recall hearing about some extraordinary bad luck at slush not that long ago so I am guessing this is the same thing.  So was it a block withholding attack or did someone figure out another way to game the pool?

[wolfen]

If a miner refuses to acknowledge that it got a block doesn't that block become available for another miner to find?

[ZACHM]

Everyone keep in mind that this is all speculation at this point. Kano has not come right out and said what is going on. He hinted towards something in a couple posts, but let us wait until he confirms things himself. I sure he wants to get it all sorted out and be sure of things before he says anything.

[wolfen]

Kano sees all, sometimes there is a lot of data to go through.
He has our back folks.

[nhando]

Frankly: I don't care if the payment is late for one block, five blocks or twenty blocks. Someone probably tried to cheat, and kano is investigating it. This means that all of us may - probably - get more at the end of the day if someone was running a withholding attack. If not, we all will get what we mined for.

What I, personally, would love to read at the end of the day: Who was trying the attack. It happened at Eligius, it happened at Slush's, now at kano.is. I'd love to know who it was or if there is any clue which leads to the attacker...

Let's see if you would say the same when each block payments are 1 to 2btc like on my accoubts and there's 5-20 blocks delayed that you said you are willing to accept.  We are talking about thousands.  Don't speak for the mass and lets not encourage poor performance.  I am sure Kano is working hard on the issue and is just as frustrated as we all are.  However this pool have exceptional reputation of being solidly consistent with both updates on issues and payouts, as such we hold it to a much higher standard than any other pools.  

[Megaquake]

lets not encourage poor performance.    

I haven't heard a thing regarding that and it does not matter about the amount per block and late payments, take your time Kano

[RealMalatesta]

Frankly: I don't care if the payment is late for one block, five blocks or twenty blocks. Someone probably tried to cheat, and kano is investigating it. This means that all of us may - probably - get more at the end of the day if someone was running a withholding attack. If not, we all will get what we mined for.

What I, personally, would love to read at the end of the day: Who was trying the attack. It happened at Eligius, it happened at Slush's, now at kano.is. I'd love to know who it was or if there is any clue which leads to the attacker...

Let's see if you would say the same when each block payments are 1 to 2btc like on my accoubts and there's 5-20 blocks delayed that you said you are willing to accept.  We are talking about thousands.  Don't speak for the mass and lets not encourage poor performance.  I am sure Kano is working hard on the issue and is just as frustrated as we all are.  However this pool have exceptional reputation of being solidly consistent with both updates on issues and payouts, as such we hold it to a much higher standard than any other pools.  

Yes, I would say the same. If you are mining with kano.is, you know that it is not an operation with a lot of staff behind it like with other pools. You do know that the persons behind the pool have an excellent reputation. And thus, I do trust that the coins will come. If kano tells us that it was just a streak of bad luck - well, I may chew a monogram in my belly for I probably will not make enough BTC to pay the power bill, but so be it. If he comes and tells us that there, indeed, was a whitholding attack, I will gladly take the coins once he has sorted things out. By kano going through this all with the utmost accurateness as possible can only be good for the pool and therefore for all miners who direct their hashes to it.

[thedreamer]

Frankly: I don't care if the payment is late for one block, five blocks or twenty blocks. Someone probably tried to cheat, and kano is investigating it. This means that all of us may - probably - get more at the end of the day if someone was running a withholding attack. If not, we all will get what we mined for.

What I, personally, would love to read at the end of the day: Who was trying the attack. It happened at Eligius, it happened at Slush's, now at kano.is. I'd love to know who it was or if there is any clue which leads to the attacker...

Let's see if you would say the same when each block payments are 1 to 2btc like on my accoubts and there's 5-20 blocks delayed that you said you are willing to accept.  We are talking about thousands.  Don't speak for the mass and lets not encourage poor performance.  I am sure Kano is working hard on the issue and is just as frustrated as we all are.  However this pool have exceptional reputation of being solidly consistent with both updates on issues and payouts, as such we hold it to a much higher standard than any other pools.  

Yeah some people don't understand the difference between being 0.2btc behind or 4BTC behind, or 40BTC behind. Not quite the same .  

I still don't think it's a Block withholding attack, and thank you for the explanation, but most people on here know what it is.
It would be such a small % of the pool it wouldn't affect us unless it's like 20% or more, IMO.  I thought nicehash was doing something 'funny' with their rentals in the past, but was told otherwise and people have been hitting blocks with them, so I guess it's ok.

I'm sure Kano will chime in soon about the delay in payments.

I just received 2 payments for blocks 402347 and 402342 from the 12th.   

[wolfen]

Yep two of the 6 matured are in yeah baby!
504 network hashrate dropping, cool.
I see , Kano was analyzing the devil block. Good man.
Probably analyzing Jr. Devil block now.

[RealMalatesta]

Yeah some people don't understand the difference between being 0.2btc behind or 4BTC behind, or 40BTC behind. Not quite the same .  

Guess you don't write about me - believe me, I do understand the difference 

[beltsniffer]

Remember when there was an anomalous miner on slush's pool, he allowed 10PH of worthless mining for over a month and kept paying them for it and then proudly announced he had developed 'provably fair mining' to prevent it ever happening again, but had already been paying 10Ph worth of payouts to them for a month, and never returned the rewards paid to that miner to compensate the rest of the miners. Let's just say we don't want to see that happening here before you complain about a block payout being delayed.

I agree! let Kano do what he does

That is REALLY ff'ed up, 10PH for a month.

That, combined with a total lack of communication from "The Captain", was the final straw for me at slush. I had been mining there since January 2014.

I joined kano.is about 3 weeks ago and haven't looked back.  I really appreciate the constant communication and updates Kano and -ck provide.

I missed this.  I do recall hearing about some extraordinary bad luck at slush not that long ago so I am guessing this is the same thing.  So was it a block withholding attack or did someone figure out another way to game the pool?

Quoting Slush's facebook post on Feb 6. about it:
"Dear miners, we would like to inform you that we have detected and resolved an unintentional block withholding

The issue has been discovered a week ago and we have immediately taken an action by contacting the particular miner. The cause turned out to be a bug in a custom mining firmware, which has been promptly fixed by the miner. We have no indication that there was any bad intention. The fixed firmware solved two blocks since then so we can consider this issue as resolved.

A recent time period of worse luck can be at least partly attributed to this incident.

Block withholding attack is a well-known weakness of the whole pool mining principle and no public pool is immune against it.

As a by-product of the bad luck investigation, we have implemented a new method how to mathematically prove that the pool does not cheat on miners. This feature will be released after the public interface has been tweaked. The release is planned towards the end of next week."
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He said it was a week, but people had been asking about poor luck at the pool since early December. The end result was that the miner did not repay the pool, and the "bad luck" still to continued. With no further comment from him on it. The only "news" was the pool's new interface.

I've sat through bad luck streaks before and kept silent, cuz hey, they happen. I worked in the casino business for 20 years. But with no answers/comments coming from slush and combine it with orphan block debacle that seemed to just drag on, I started looking for a new place to mine.

I landed here at Kano.is and have been very happy with the transparency of the pool operator and the community overall.

[Megaquake]

Yeah some people don't understand the difference between being 0.2btc behind or 4BTC behind, or 40BTC behind. Not quite the same .  

Guess you don't write about me - believe me, I do understand the difference 

 Myself as an entrepreneur, I do understand behind, I get paid 90 days in arrears but some of my paments are 100+ days behind but I know I with get paid in due time.

I' not talking 10-20 dollars either im talking 80-100k in arrears, but business as usual.

[bitmine49]

Everyone keep in mind that this is all speculation at this point. Kano has not come right out and said what is going on. He hinted towards something in a couple posts, but let us wait until he confirms things himself. I sure he wants to get it all sorted out and be sure of things before he says anything.

The only good thing if it was an attack is that it can be fixed. Then we can get back to block busting.

[thedreamer]

Yeah some people don't understand the difference between being 0.2btc behind or 4BTC behind, or 40BTC behind. Not quite the same .  

Guess you don't write about me - believe me, I do understand the difference  

Then you wouldn't be saying this :

"Frankly: I don't care if the payment is late for one block, five blocks or twenty blocks. Someone probably tried to cheat, and kano is investigating it. This means that all of us may - probably - get more at the end of the day if someone was running a withholding attack. If not, we all will get what we mined for."

YOU may not care, but others that rely on the payments to cover costs associated with their operation MIGHT.
Most people don't have 50BTC to fall back on in case of a few day's worth of no payments and bad luck on a pool.

I know lot of small miners that do it for small income and fun, as well as rent to play with their luck. Once there are no payments they might not be able to continue mining or renting. I am thinking of the little guys/gals.

If you really don't care, you should offer up all the past due payments to cover the people that need it or have to stop mining........Still don't care?

[hoosier_13]

I have mined with a lot of pools (Slush, Antpool, BTCC, Ghash) and Kano is by far the most transparent and reliable. Kano is the real deal.