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Author Topic: KanoPool since 2014 🐈 - PPLNS and Solo 0.5% fee - Worldwide - 2438 blocks  (Read 5352038 times)
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August 01, 2015, 06:53:49 AM
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BLOCK! Good thing its not in the 500%+ field. Now lets nail a few under 50%
Done.

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August 01, 2015, 08:20:51 AM
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A pool goes for a week without finding a block and things must be wrong with the pool itself.  Yet, when the pool finds many more blocks than it should, nobody's yelling that something is wrong with the pool.
Too many blocks. There must be something wrong with the pool.

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August 01, 2015, 09:09:09 AM
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A pool goes for a week without finding a block and things must be wrong with the pool itself.  Yet, when the pool finds many more blocks than it should, nobody's yelling that something is wrong with the pool.
Too many blocks. There must be something wrong with the pool.

yep, time to format the server, reinstall os, maybe do a BIOS update too, could be malware worms in the BIOS, its stealing peoples blocks
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August 01, 2015, 09:43:02 AM
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Payout 367791 sent (about 2 hours ago)
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and confimed

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August 01, 2015, 10:28:48 PM
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One of my miners just mined a 34.5G best share here.  Nice, but only 66% of what was needed!

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August 01, 2015, 10:31:47 PM
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A pool goes for a week without finding a block and things must be wrong with the pool itself.  Yet, when the pool finds many more blocks than it should, nobody's yelling that something is wrong with the pool.
Too many blocks. There must be something wrong with the pool.

yep, time to format the server, reinstall os, maybe do a BIOS update too, could be malware worms in the BIOS, its stealing giving peoples blocks
ftfy Smiley

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August 01, 2015, 10:54:28 PM
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Another block!

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August 01, 2015, 10:56:08 PM
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Another block!
Payouts 367866 and 367876 sent
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and confirmed by our block Smiley

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August 01, 2015, 10:58:35 PM
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Another block!
Payouts 367866 and 367876 sent
804a51585d8bd076d89fe14671ba3a487052bdee2a1085bf2af7253d95b0e70d
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and confirmed by our block Smiley

thats pretty ironic...
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August 01, 2015, 11:01:19 PM
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your pool is definetley broke if your confirming your own transactions
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your pool is definetley broke if your confirming your own transactions

Naw...not broke(n). Just that FAST thanks to a couple of great OPs.

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August 02, 2015, 01:08:38 AM
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Payout 367894 sent (an hour ago)
7eb9a548d4affd382a69212861c7541252e49d6e45df03a3139bd732db9ba7c7
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August 02, 2015, 02:14:26 AM
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Happy to see we just got another (2) block. Thank you to whoever turned on the hacks.

We can feel a bit of fresh air after surviving the 666.666 block. Wink


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lolol

Go Big or Go Home.
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Please do not fix the pool. This is so sweet.
So many complain about the long ones, questioning software changes and digging up all sorts of superstitious stuff, but hey, my dials are not being turned and I am not changing a thing heh Smiley

I've never asked this Kano, and haven't ran across it in the thread. I know you have explained the payout system sooo many times this answer is probably here, and right on the website help page, but I have not found it. So apologies in advance for my nubish question.

Do you display the current 5Nd range for each user account and / or individual miner as it relates to each block? I understand the Pool N range is displayed, and the difficulty used in the calculation, but during the ramp up of a new miner, or account, I would love to grab the current 5Nd from the API.
I see the Total range under Rewards among other fantastic information and I'm sure I could do some quick simple math to determine my personal amount, but I am pretty sure it is already displayed for me and I am being a magnificent tardella and missing the obvious answer here:

Block          Miner Reward   N Diff           N Range           Pool N Avg  Your %    Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
368012   24.87205178   262.959G   125hr 28m 47s   2.50PHs   0.40%   1.060G   10.08THs   


Another question I wanted to check with you is regarding rented hash. I stopped renting hash when I saw your posts regarding the high potential for block withholding. I should say you never said it was happening anywhere, you explained how difficult it would be to detect. Not how easy it would be to actually execute.

I ran some numbers today and determined I made a profit by renting a small amount of hash and pointing it here over several months. I also mine with my small farm here as well. I would never want to be a part of the problem, and strive to be a part of the solution in our community. I certainly would never want to contribute to something which harmed the wonderful potential of this landscape.

I know it is a little off-topic for this thread, but how do you currently feel about rented hash coming to KANO.IS?. Would there be anything me as the renter could do to nueter a person's ability to withhold? Or, at least make life difficult for them?

Thanks for the great pool, and I appreciate your time.

Transaction fees go to the pools and the pools decide to pay them to the miners. Anything else, including off-chain solutions are stealing and not the way Bitcoin was intended to function.
Make the block size set by the pool. Pool = miners and they get the choice.
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August 02, 2015, 05:37:08 AM
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Do you display the current 5Nd range for each user account and / or individual miner as it relates to each block? I understand the Pool N range is displayed, and the difficulty used in the calculation, but during the ramp up of a new miner, or account, I would love to grab the current 5Nd from the API.

I see the Total range under Rewards among other fantastic information and I'm sure I could do some quick simple math to determine my personal amount, but I am pretty sure it is already displayed for me and I am being a magnificent tardella and missing the obvious answer here:

Block          Miner Reward   N Diff           N Range           Pool N Avg  Your %    Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
368012   24.87205178   262.959G   125hr 28m 47s   2.50PHs   0.40%   1.060G   10.08THs   
The payout generation code takes 1 or 2 seconds to execute so I don't try to work it out per user "what it would be now if we found a block"
It works it out per user when it does the payout generation shortly after each block.

Some time in the far distant future I'll probably add internal stats to keep track of that as "what would it be now if we found a block" - but it's somewhere down the todo list.

That page is of course your per user info when each block was found, the only thing it doesn't list is when you sent shares, but that's not really relevant since you can start and stop mining as many times as you like. It's only your total share Diff in the "N Diff"/"N Range" that matters - in the above case you had 1.06G Diff Shares of the total 262.959G shares.
So your BTC amount is simply 24.87205178 * 1.06 / 262.959
So it has the information there summarised for your reward for each block.

The "Ramp" itself doesn't actually exist as code - it's just how the payout appears as BTC vs hash rate from when you start.
The length of the "Ramp" is of course "N Diff" or 5Nd + a bit - that's what matters - but in terms of time it 'is' "N Range" each block but that changes as the pool hash rate changes.

Like all non-solo pools, you get a "ramp up" effect in your pay from when you start until you are paid, since the pool pays for the accumulated work you have done, not work you might do in the future.
The ramp here is 5Nd https://kano.is/index.php?k=payout (the same for everyone of course)

Since the pay range for each block is 5Nd, if you've mined 20THs for only half of that range then your reward when the block is found will of course be for half your hash rate i.e. equivalent of mining 10THs for the whole range.

The 5Nd means of course that each share takes time to be fully rewarded (5Nd) but that also does:
1) It reduces the variance of your reward since it's effectively averaged across 5 times longer
2) A corollary of 1) is that good or bad luck is averaged out - if it was 1Nd - then during that 666.666% block all shares in the first 566.666% would have received no reward - whereas due to the 5Nd, only the shares in the first 166.666% received no reward and the shares after that got at least some reward in that blocks and blocks after it, getting more rewards as they got closer to the end of the 666.666%
3) The "ramp up" doesn't mean you are losing BTC, it is simply that you don't have a full 5Nd set of shares being rewarded "now", each share will be rewarded in each block found in the 5Nd after they were found.
4) There is of course also the "ramp down" if you stop mining that simply represents the shares you found moving off the end of the 5Nd range
5) Of course if you are mining here full time for more than 5Nd, the "ramps" don't happen as such since you always have a full set of shares expecting to be rewarded

Another question I wanted to check with you is regarding rented hash.
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Well the simple case is that there's nothing I can really do about it.
I also can't know if the renter is mining or it's being rented.
It is a risk since the renter gets paid no matter if he cheats or not ... and the rental companies don't care either.
They could keep statistics and histories of miners block finding so you could gauge how trustworthy a renter was - but they don't care since the rental companies get paid no matter what also.

...
Thanks for the great pool, and I appreciate your time.
Thanks Smiley

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August 02, 2015, 12:45:17 PM
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@kano,

Ditto on the appreciation.

Since the last question concerned payout, I have one as well. I have always wondered if the actual 'finder of the block' gets any extra in the payout with the rest of the pool splitting the leftovers?

Just my cray-cray mind at work.

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August 02, 2015, 02:13:19 PM
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@kano,

Ditto on the appreciation.

Since the last question concerned payout, I have one as well. I have always wondered if the actual 'finder of the block' gets any extra in the payout with the rest of the pool splitting the leftovers?

Just my cray-cray mind at work.
I considered it when I started the pool, but the reality is that there's not much point in doing it.
So I didn't.

Long term you don't get paid more or less for getting a block finder's reward.
What it does is increase miner's reward variance.

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August 02, 2015, 02:56:07 PM
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@kano,

Ditto on the appreciation.

Since the last question concerned payout, I have one as well. I have always wondered if the actual 'finder of the block' gets any extra in the payout with the rest of the pool splitting the leftovers?

Just my cray-cray mind at work.
I considered it when I started the pool, but the reality is that there's not much point in doing it.
So I didn't.

Long term you don't get paid more or less for getting a block finder's reward.
What it does is increase miner's reward variance.

Thanks for the answer Kano. It's not like my little hashrate had a chance anyway. Curious mind.

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August 02, 2015, 04:45:59 PM
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Payout 367994 sent (about 2 hours ago)
a2f74aad65c841ab7fbcb3eea60d51f093edb19c171cac94e5578798b6136e09
and confirmed (not long after that)
Payout 368012 sent
15f40828c0dc107aac2597c5187ae7c3e9fc3f04b46df3d8cd661d0baa931ddb
and confirmed

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