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[mikefallen]

Uh oh,

I think I just mucked up!

It said I was set up.  I may just be ignorant of how to log in to it.

I thought I set up 2FA with OTP Auth.  I got an email from kano.is saying it was set up.  However, When I try to log in at kano.is, it only refreshes the page and does not let me log in.  Can someone assist me?  I might end up having to create a new account and start over on 500N.

EDIT:  Just a moment.

EDIT #2:

use your kano.is password, the password for OTP auth is just for your phone.
Also should blur your username !!!!!!


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[dmwardjr]

enter here your kano.is username and kano.is password and the 2FA 6 digit code.

Thanks!

Now, I just hope I can remember that damn password.  I've had it set up on "save password" for the longest.  Which means I never bothered to remember it.  Maybe I can figure it out.

[dmwardjr]

use your kano.is password, the password for OTP auth is just for your phone.
Also should blur your username !!!!!!

Understood with blurring my username.  Guess we'll see how good the 2FA works then.

If you both would delete the image, it would be appreciated and save forum space as well.

[omega015]

enter here your kano.is username and kano.is password and the 2FA 6 digit code.

Thanks!

Now, I just hope I can remember that damn password.  I've had it set up on "save password" for the longest.  Which means I never bothered to remember it.  Maybe I can figure it out.

if all else fails with password there is password reset. No reset for 2FA though so make sure you made a note of your 2FA secret key and store that safely somewhere (not on your phone).

[dmwardjr]

enter here your kano.is username and kano.is password and the 2FA 6 digit code.

Thanks!

Now, I just hope I can remember that damn password.  I've had it set up on "save password" for the longest.  Which means I never bothered to remember it.  Maybe I can figure it out.

if all else fails with password there is password reset. No reset for 2FA though so make sure you made a note of your 2FA secret key and store that safely somewhere (not on your phone).

Got it... Thanks.

After about 10 to 12 attempts, I finally remembered my pool password.  It's long as hell.

Yes, I'll remember my secret key with no problem.

[ZACHM]

I am seeing a lot of new users here asking/talking about the 5 times Network Difficulty.
I am going to try to explain and simplify it:

Let us pretend that the current difficulty is 1000.  
Then that means we should expect that 1 in every 1000 shares submitted would solve a block.
If we solve a block on the 1000 share, then we would have solved it at 100%

With a PPLNS structured payout each block found gets payed out based on the LNS (Last N Shares) in this case the N = 5. So in our example the LNS = 5 x 1000 = 5000 shares.

If you just started with the pool and we found a block on the 1000th share (100%) and you had submitted 10 shares, you would not receive payout of 10/1000 = 1% of the block because the payout takes into account the LNS, so your payout would be 10/5000 = 0.2%

Now lets say we find another block on the 1000th share and you submitted another 10 shares, again you won't get the 1% but instead you will get 20/5000 = 0.4% so you get paid for the previous shares submitted as well.

Now lets get wild and say we just found our 5th block on the 1000th share (5 in a row at 100%) and you submitted 10 shares each block, your total would be 50 and total shares would be 5000 so 50/5000 = 1% now you have reach the full "ramp up" and are getting full payout.

This is what ends up working out great if we find blocks more often than 100%, you have the potential of getting your shares paid more times.

Example continued: Lets say you have been mining with us for a long time (your fully "ramped up") and we find 4 blocks at 100% and 2 at 50%, that gives us the total 5Nd of 5000 shares, but we found 6 blocks. You have submitted your usually 50 shares during that time so you are at 50/5000 = 1%, but now so now you are getting 1% of 6 blocks instead of 1% of 5, but you have not submitted any more shares.

This is what we are talking about with the 5Nd, you won't be getting full payout until you have been mining here for the duration of the 5Nd. You will still get paid for all shares submitted and those shares are not getting paid any less, and if the pool is lucky you get paid more.

I know a lot of us like to mention this because people tend to join CKPool then they see their first payout and think "Wow this pool pays awful, I'm leaving", but then when they leave they should still see payments coming in and in the end they probably got just as much as they would have somewhere else, and if the pool was on a luck streak even more.

Hopefully that helps, anyone please feel free to correct me on anything or fill in with something I missed.

I think this may have been my longest post ever.  

edit: I just looked at the "Shifts" page on Kano.is and we are currently sitting at getting paid 8 times for some shares! Everyone keep eating chicken!

[omega015]

I am seeing a lot of new users here asking/talking about the 5 times Network Difficulty.
I am going to try to explain and simplify it:

.... Everyone keep eating chicken!

Very nice explanation, easy to follow and hopefully it will be easy to remember.

I had a nice fillet steak so I am hoping this gets us a 3rd block within 24hours (before 09:16)  ....who will accept the challenge?....

[-ck]

{"hashrate1m": "25.1T", "hashrate5m": "23.5T", "hashrate1hr": "20T", "hashrate1d": "1.95T", "hashrate7d": "290G", "lastupdate": 1449676071, "workers": 5, "shares": 41037433, "bestshare": 3737048.6019535731}

My 1 day hashrate seems low.  Been mining here since 2 hours prior to block 387268. How do I find out if I am close to 5N?

What's wrong with it? How long (in time) had you actually been mining when you grabbed that value? It's an exponentially decaying rolling average where the time (eg 1d) is the time constant used for it. If you had been mining for exactly 1 day when you grabbed that snapshot it would not be your average hashrate up to the exact second of one day previously but would work out to ~63% of your hashrate to that second.

[yslyung]

does the 5N starts all over again if you leave for couple of hours & back or it's pro rated ?

noob question . . .

why is 5N used here ?

can then confirmations shortened to 60 conf's instead of 100 conf's & why not the 120 conf's ?

[-ck]

does the 5N starts all over again if you leave for couple of hours & back or it's pro rated ?

noob question . . .

why is 5N used here ?

can then confirmations shortened to 60 conf's instead of 100 conf's & why not the 120 conf's ?

All PPLNS pools pick a time. We just happen to explain it explicitly by saying it's 5x the current diff. There is nothing different here compared to any other pool in terms of what happens when you intermittently mine - you get credited for shares you mine in the shifts that span the PPLNS period; nothing more, nothing less.  You can't shorten confirms to 60 because that's how bitcoin is - newly mined coins aren't available till 100 confirms have happened. Bitcoin changed from 120 confirms a few versions ago to 100.

[ZACHM]

does the 5N starts all over again if you leave for couple of hours & back or it's pro rated ?

The 5Nd never starts or stops, it is continuous.
It is always the number of shares in 5 times the network difficulty before the currently found block.

Your payout is based on your percentage of those shares submitted.

If you stop mining you stop submitting shares, but everyone else keeps submitting, therefore your percentage goes down.

[hawkfish007]

{"hashrate1m": "25.1T", "hashrate5m": "23.5T", "hashrate1hr": "20T", "hashrate1d": "1.95T", "hashrate7d": "290G", "lastupdate": 1449676071, "workers": 5, "shares": 41037433, "bestshare": 3737048.6019535731}

My 1 day hashrate seems low.  Been mining here since 2 hours prior to block 387268. How do I find out if I am close to 5N?

What's wrong with it? How long (in time) had you actually been mining when you grabbed that value? It's an exponentially decaying rolling average where the time (eg 1d) is the time constant used for it. If you had been mining for exactly 1 day when you grabbed that snapshot it would not be your average hashrate up to the exact second of one day previously but would work out to ~63% of your hashrate to that second.

I grabbed the snapshot about 38-40 hours after I started mining at the pool. According to your calculation (~63%), it should have been more since all 5 workers were hashing at the pool from the beginning. I used BTC address 1EnJMR12HMbh4nhpEa8vkDTBHxXvtMsury if you can take a look at what went wrong. I now registered and using my user id to mine.

[-ck]

I grabbed the snapshot about 38-40 hours after I started mining at the pool. According to your calculation (~63%), it should have been more since all 5 workers were hashing at the pool from the beginning. I used BTC address 1EnJMR12HMbh4nhpEa8vkDTBHxXvtMsury if you can take a look at what went wrong. I now registered and using my user id to mine.

Was probably related to the ckpool restart then.

[hawkfish007]

I grabbed the snapshot about 38-40 hours after I started mining at the pool. According to your calculation (~63%), it should have been more since all 5 workers were hashing at the pool from the beginning. I used BTC address 1EnJMR12HMbh4nhpEa8vkDTBHxXvtMsury if you can take a look at what went wrong. I now registered and using my user id to mine.

Was probably related to the ckpool restart then.

Could be for the restart, definitely. I wish there was a way to transfer work done under my BTC address to my user id (I am using same address for payouts), so I don't start from scratch!

[-ck]

Could be for the restart, definitely. I wish there was a way to transfer work done under my BTC address to my user id (I am using same address for payouts), so I don't start from scratch!

That's just a hashrate meter. No shares are ever lost.

[yslyung]

thx for the answer guys, patiently waiting. about 4 more days to go yeah +/- couple of % hahaha

latest progress:   user 1

Block             Block UTC   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range         Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg  Your BTC
387505   9/Dec 15:09   24.92477269   396.502G   118hr 9m 56s   4.00PHs   0.18%   728.170M   7.35THs   0.04577398
387465   9/Dec 09:16   25.05411500   396.082G   121hr 17m 20s   3.90PHs   0.14%   555.891M   5.47THs   0.03516284
Total:                                                                                                                                                      0.08093682

user2 :

Block            Block UTC           Miner Reward   N Diff     N Range        Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg Your BTC
387505   9/Dec 15:09   24.92477269   396.502G   118hr 9m 56s   4.00PHs   0.19%   772.908M   7.80THs   0.04858631
387465   9/Dec 09:16   25.05411500   396.082G   121hr 17m 20s   3.90PHs   0.14%   572.384M   5.63THs   0.03620613
Total:                                                                                                                                                      0.08479244


we need more hashpower !

the moer hashpower = the lower the "N range" right ?

[-ck]

the moer hashpower = the lower the "N range" right ?

The shorter the duration in absolute time, but the same N range.

[kano]

I grabbed the snapshot about 38-40 hours after I started mining at the pool. According to your calculation (~63%), it should have been more since all 5 workers were hashing at the pool from the beginning. I used BTC address 1EnJMR12HMbh4nhpEa8vkDTBHxXvtMsury if you can take a look at what went wrong. I now registered and using my user id to mine.

Was probably related to the ckpool restart then.

Could be for the restart, definitely. I wish there was a way to transfer work done under my BTC address to my user id (I am using same address for payouts), so I don't start from scratch!

You don't start from scratch.
It has no effect on your payout (they are combined)
See here also:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg13187889#msg13187889

However the logic behind the data access restriction is necessary:
Miner A decides he doesn't want an account and want to mine only to an address.

Miner B decides he wants access to view all the details of miner A's address ... no sorry.

[yslyung]

I grabbed the snapshot about 38-40 hours after I started mining at the pool. According to your calculation (~63%), it should have been more since all 5 workers were hashing at the pool from the beginning. I used BTC address 1EnJMR12HMbh4nhpEa8vkDTBHxXvtMsury if you can take a look at what went wrong. I now registered and using my user id to mine.

Was probably related to the ckpool restart then.

Could be for the restart, definitely. I wish there was a way to transfer work done under my BTC address to my user id (I am using same address for payouts), so I don't start from scratch!

You don't start from scratch.
It has no effect on your payout (they are combined)
See here also:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg13187889#msg13187889

However the logic behind the data access restriction is necessary:
Miner A decides he doesn't want an account and want to mine only to an address.

Miner B decides he wants access to view all the details of miner A's address ... no sorry.

just like what i did at first, miner A was registered, i can view everything & monitor the miners but when i setup miner B i used only a btc addy but wanting it merged & if the payouts can be splitted, yes from kano but i just went ahead & changed miner B from using btc addy to registering another account. could've inccured some small losses while changing parameters in miners but no issues, it's ok. problem solved & now i can monitor both accounts just have to log in & out, no issues for me.

but if later further down the road of the to-do lists/development, it'll be nice if you can assign several/different username & payout add's under 1 registered account.

[kano]

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but if later further down the road of the to-do lists/development, it'll be nice if you can assign several/different username & payout add's under 1 registered account.

Well the account has a 'username' so yeah having multiple 'usernames' ... I'm not exactly sure why.

But multiple payout addresses is already part of ckdb, as I mentioned before if you need that

It's a switch I set on the account saying how many addresses you are allowed, default for everyone is only one address.
Obviously I don't give that option to everyone, I don't want miners dividing up their reward to multiple addresses unless they are sizeable.
Each address increases the size of the payout transaction, so yeah don't want tiny accounts paying out to lots of addresses.
One is enough for most accounts.
Big accounts I'll enable it on request.