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September 26, 2014, 07:55:26 AM
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how much discount you get with a S4 coupon ?

200 USD

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September 26, 2014, 08:00:01 AM
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shipping to my location is 0.8 BTC WOW

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September 26, 2014, 08:02:49 AM
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with these btc price
only buy btc
nothing else
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September 26, 2014, 08:08:09 AM
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with these btc price
only buy btc
nothing else

True... With current price of S4...

Will S4 of batch 2 be as expensive as batch 1 S4?

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September 26, 2014, 08:23:45 AM
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SO EXPENSIVE.

I considered buying it as a heater/miner hybrid for my basement. Even then it's so expensive I rather buy used S1's
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September 26, 2014, 08:31:32 AM
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Seems like we don't have to worry about BITMAIN. Sales are going ok, if you look at the incoming BTC transactions

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September 26, 2014, 08:43:36 AM
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I hope the price for S4 B2 will be lower than S1....
I'll buy 2 S4, but not at this price...
At this price I can't make profit on it...
http://www.vnbitcoin.org/detailcalculation.php?name=Bitcoin_Mining_Rig&startdate=2014-09-26&costperunit=1450&wattperhour=0&gigahazarate=2000&daytoincrease=13&testlopfirst=12&diffincrement=10&bitcoinperdollar=400&electriccostinput=0&begindifflevel=34661425924
and that is without Electricity cost
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September 26, 2014, 08:51:55 AM
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your calculations are wrong.let me tell you why:
- you didn't add shipping fee witch is about 0.8 BTC
-you didnt add duty fee witch is about 15-25 %
-you didn't add electricity costs witch will cut to about half the profits you got on that calculator
- you only did a 10 % diff increase which is not possible (never was and never will be, despite the manufacturers keep telling us that this will happen).most probably will be 15% or more

After you take all these in consideration you can make a real calculation:


http://www.vnbitcoin.org/detailcalculation.php?name=Bitcoin_Mining_Rig&startdate=2014-09-26&costperunit=1800&wattperhour=1000&gigahazarate=2000&daytoincrease=12&testlopfirst=11&diffincrement=15&bitcoinperdollar=404.87&electriccostinput=.13&begindifflevel=34661425924

good luck getting a ROI with this !
wise thing to do : just buy 1.800 $ worth of bitcoin now !


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September 26, 2014, 09:09:50 AM
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Getting ROI with anything is almost impossible unless at this stage in mining. Unless you have a huge farm already hashing in a data center.
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September 26, 2014, 09:30:40 AM
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After you take all these in consideration you can make a real calculation:

Oh, God... Why all of you believe that exchange rate for 1 BTC will always be 400+$?... What makes you think so?..

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September 26, 2014, 09:40:55 AM
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After you take all these in consideration you can make a real calculation:

Oh, God... Why all of you believe that exchange rate for 1 BTC will always be 400+$?... What makes you think so?..
So what makes you think it should be less than $400? People like you years ago made fun of bitcoin and said the same crap. People said bitcoin would never hit $100.
These type of arguments are useless, going back and forth with obsolete opinions is just no fun.
Take a look at the price of bitcoin maintained throughout this year. This is a clear sign of what it has "stabilized" at.
Also, take into consideration the percentage of increase from when it was $20 or $50.
Bitcoin will be valued at what we want. Unfortunately the large farms and Chinese seem to have more control. The hundreds of thousands of people cashing out for fiat daily also doesn't help.
Also, I don't think religion applies to bitcoin, you can "Oh, God..." all you want at your local church Smiley Smiley Smiley
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September 26, 2014, 10:09:06 AM
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After you take all these in consideration you can make a real calculation:

Oh, God... Why all of you believe that exchange rate for 1 BTC will always be 400+$?... What makes you think so?..

And why do people think the exchange rate has ANYTHING to do with hardware purchases.

If it mines less btc than it costs you've lost regardless of what happens to the rate.

Spend BTC3.5 and get back BTC2 and you are  BTC-1.5

If you are lucky and BTC doubles to $800 and you cash out yes you will have made a small profit, but if you hadn't bought the thing in the first place you'd have made a much bigger one.

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September 26, 2014, 10:23:42 AM
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The current exchange rate has EVERYTHING to do with S4 purchase as the price is in USD. If BTC is $700 right now I would pay a total of 3 BTC (shippng, tax + S4), but it is not and all this totals to about 5 BTC

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September 26, 2014, 11:44:50 AM
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As many are saying including the manufacturer of Antminer S and L series, I have a different view.
IMO the state of equilibrium of the network is not what we are seeing now.
The lower BTC price just came as a hindrance to the temporary development of the Network.
As good old times, the price of BTC should increase with respect to the difficulty increase like inflation and interest rates.
But that is not happening now and the whole mining community is in a near halt state.
WhenI say that, I mean the new hash power from non manufacturing  miners.
A jump in the BTC price will just give back a very profitable mining era if the manufacturers are not greedy.
For now S3 is the last miner which was affordable.
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September 26, 2014, 12:32:07 PM
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Listing batch 2 is just a sales tatic to make people panic that batch 1 is selling out and to order them ASAP to ensure you get them straight away. Clever bitmain. Clever
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September 26, 2014, 12:37:29 PM
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Listing batch 2 is just a sales tatic to make people panic that batch 1 is selling out and to order them ASAP to ensure you get them straight away. Clever bitmain. Clever

Funny, it was like that even for S3.
These batches are just marketing techniques.
I'm looking for another era like good old times of Bitmain.
Move BTC to above $1000  Grin
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September 26, 2014, 12:53:17 PM
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TOO EXPENSIVE

DO NOT BUY ! you are just flushing your btc/fiat down the toilet bowl !

As usual Batch 1 ... eh hmm eh hmmmm just like other S's

I'll wait out for my Min Buy Qty of 30 units.

Imagine that s2 1th/s one month ago was on euro's 1250€, because i'm from The Netherlands and count in this currency. And now 2th/s for 1170€. I think you have to buy before and of the year. And whtat you think when it go to Nasdaq, this s4 will increase at least 2 times until 2016. When you 12,50 btc each block. So better grap your chance now partner!!!

Does somebody know the shippings costs , because i gonna order 1 tonight, but i can buy it in The Netherlands for 1530€. That something like 1850$ i guess.
So what is better to do at this moment?
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September 26, 2014, 12:56:57 PM
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TOO EXPENSIVE

DO NOT BUY ! you are just flushing your btc/fiat down the toilet bowl !

As usual Batch 1 ... eh hmm eh hmmmm just like other S's

I'll wait out for my Min Buy Qty of 30 units.

Imagine that s2 1th/s one month ago was on euro's 1250€, because i'm from The Netherlands and count in this currency. And now 2th/s for 1170€. I think you have to buy before and of the year. And whtat you think when it go to Nasdaq, this s4 will increase at least 2 times until 2016. When you 12,50 btc each block. So better grap your chance now partner!!!

Does somebody know the shippings costs , because i gonna order 1 tonight, but i can buy it in The Netherlands for 1530€. That something like 1850$ i guess.
So what is better to do at this moment?

What is better to do?  Not lose 1.5 BTC by buying this rip off miner.

You buy the S4 for 3.5 BTC or whatever it is, you'll never mine back 3.5, maybe 2 BTC if you're extremely lucky.  Just buy Bitcoins off an exchange, Sally.   Wink

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September 26, 2014, 01:13:43 PM
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TOO EXPENSIVE

DO NOT BUY ! you are just flushing your btc/fiat down the toilet bowl !

As usual Batch 1 ... eh hmm eh hmmmm just like other S's

I'll wait out for my Min Buy Qty of 30 units.

Imagine that s2 1th/s one month ago was on euro's 1250€, because i'm from The Netherlands and count in this currency. And now 2th/s for 1170€. I think you have to buy before and of the year. And whtat you think when it go to Nasdaq, this s4 will increase at least 2 times until 2016. When you 12,50 btc each block. So better grap your chance now partner!!!

Does somebody know the shippings costs , because i gonna order 1 tonight, but i can buy it in The Netherlands for 1530€. That something like 1850$ i guess.
So what is better to do at this moment?

What is better to do?  Not lose 1.5 BTC by buying this rip off miner.

I know what you mean, but you know the guy who wants to mine 10% of Bitcoin. I have 3th/s now. Tonight i order this one. And i will do more. Finally i invest 200000$ but you are far above the difficulty and it pays it back. Ok i spend allready thousands of Dollars for this, but they get more efficiently and the price will increase. In November i gonna buy the 12th/s and i will mine with 20th/s 8 btc or something. 12th/s is around 8000€. And i will buy more and more and more. Finally i will have my payback, don't you think. But buying is also a good thing. I also bought 2.15btc today.  But without miners no Btc. And when it will go to Nasdaq the mining people will laugh the hardest of all i think. Don't you?

You buy the S4 for 3.5 BTC or whatever it is, you'll never mine back 3.5, maybe 2 BTC if you're extremely lucky.  Just buy Bitcoins off an exchange, Sally.   Wink
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September 26, 2014, 01:13:58 PM
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Have we heard what the decibel level is on the S4 yet? With a server PSU and those 4 large fans I have a strong feeling this is going to be data center loud.

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