CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded GPU kernels.

[djm34]

I don't think the next kernals will be Opensource. I try my best to keep high standards, but you have quality coders like djm34 and wolf0 who push the standards.. The current quark implementation is good, but djm34 hash pushed it more than 10% faster after a few afternoons of work. Take a look at the neoscrypt kernal. It is really good... 300% faster than the opencl is insane...

I added another 50% by rewriting the blake implementation. but the sp-mod is only 7% faster than the djm34 mod.

and the Wolf0.. He is good. He is like me when I was 20..

and I don't think it is the same part which has been optimized 

[rednoW]

2 sp_
this commit https://github.com/sp-hash/ccminer/commit/2b2a3bd4a46db42e084f4a8940c2594da75412ee is 4 khs slower on my gtx750 (908 vs 912khs #52)

[Grout]

I don't think the next kernals will be Opensource. I try my best to keep high standards, but you have quality coders like djm34 and wolf0 who push the standards.. The current quark implementation is good, but djm34 hash pushed it more than 10% faster after a few afternoons of work. Take a look at the neoscrypt kernal. It is really good... 300% faster than the opencl is insane...

I added another 50% by rewriting the blake implementation. but the sp-mod is only 7% faster than the djm34 mod.

and the Wolf0.. He is good. He is like me when I was 20..

sp ...

if you keep things open sourced - there will be more of intake of the one miner that really makes sense ...

i believe in donations - i believe in giving as well as receiving - i believe that the quality of work that you and other devs is awesome work ...

closing kernels and miners will just outdo the entire purpose of WHY open source is about and around in the first place ...

in saying that though - the awesome work that you guys do 'should' be compensated ... but there are ways and means of doing so bar 'just' getting paid for it ...

devs DO deserve to be compensated for the hard work that you put into these kernels and miners ...

there are incredible brains at work in this industry - why cant we all think out a way of compensating ALL the devs that CONTRIBUTE to this sphere? ... like you and djm and wolf and pallas and klaust and tsiv and cbuchner and the list goes on ...

we are continuing with the the donation links for miners for all you good devs - regardless ... so anyone that DOES want to donate mining hash - CAN! ... and can do it anonymously too ...

the donate-sp links are active and still testing - with the others getting prepared for the when the new servers come online ...

this whole crypto world was designed inherently to be an alternative to the fiat world ... closing the kernels and the miners is ultimately closing the doors on everything that crypto is all about ...

look at whats happening here? ...

we are all reverting BACK to the fiat game instead of moving forward with what satoshi envisioned in the first place - a fiat free world ... or at least a fiat reduced world ...

its sad really ...

#crysx

Fully quoted post because I fully agree with it. I'm perfectly happy donating part of my income to the dev that make it possible. Even if private miners become faster than SP_'s version, I will keep supporting him as long as it remains opensource.

And I believe closing the doors and reserving mining to a select few is going to hurt the crypto world in the long run: if an outsider looks at it and sees a closed world where all the profits go to a few people, his conclusion will be that the crypto world is exactly like the fiat world. If it is the same thing, except he has to learn a lot of things, avoid scams, and can't do everything he can do in the fiat world, why would he want to get involved?

[djm34]

I don't think the next kernals will be Opensource. I try my best to keep high standards, but you have quality coders like djm34 and wolf0 who push the standards.. The current quark implementation is good, but djm34 hash pushed it more than 10% faster after a few afternoons of work. Take a look at the neoscrypt kernal. It is really good... 300% faster than the opencl is insane...

I added another 50% by rewriting the blake implementation. but the sp-mod is only 7% faster than the djm34 mod.

and the Wolf0.. He is good. He is like me when I was 20..

sp ...

if you keep things open sourced - there will be more of intake of the one miner that really makes sense ...

i believe in donations - i believe in giving as well as receiving - i believe that the quality of work that you and other devs is awesome work ...

closing kernels and miners will just outdo the entire purpose of WHY open source is about and around in the first place ...

in saying that though - the awesome work that you guys do 'should' be compensated ... but there are ways and means of doing so bar 'just' getting paid for it ...

devs DO deserve to be compensated for the hard work that you put into these kernels and miners ...

there are incredible brains at work in this industry - why cant we all think out a way of compensating ALL the devs that CONTRIBUTE to this sphere? ... like you and djm and wolf and pallas and klaust and tsiv and cbuchner and the list goes on ...

we are continuing with the the donation links for miners for all you good devs - regardless ... so anyone that DOES want to donate mining hash - CAN! ... and can do it anonymously too ...

the donate-sp links are active and still testing - with the others getting prepared for the when the new servers come online ...

this whole crypto world was designed inherently to be an alternative to the fiat world ... closing the kernels and the miners is ultimately closing the doors on everything that crypto is all about ...

look at whats happening here? ...

we are all reverting BACK to the fiat game instead of moving forward with what satoshi envisioned in the first place - a fiat free world ... or at least a fiat reduced world ...

its sad really ...

#crysx

Fully quoted post because I fully agree with it. I'm perfectly happy donating part of my income to the dev that make it possible. Even if private miners become faster than SP_'s version, I will keep supporting him as long as it remains opensource.

And I believe closing the doors and reserving mining to a select few is going to hurt the crypto world in the long run: if an outsider looks at it and sees a closed world where all the profits go to a few people, his conclusion will be that the crypto world is exactly like the fiat world. If it is the same thing, except he has to learn a lot of things, avoid scams, and can't do everything he can do in the fiat world, why would he want to get involved?

I think you are getting it wrong, it isn't about "reserving to a few" it is rather a few which hire someone to get something better...
They pay for it, they take the risk (coin can turns into shit) why everybody should benefit from their risk taking (especially if it hurts their winnings...) ?

It is not the responsibility of the persons who was hired to distribute what he was asked to work on....

good, bad don't know, don't care, but clearly what is bad is working weeks for a few "beers"...
(also everything work like that, you don't get anything for free and if you pay more you get better performance nothing new in that, that's the way the society has been working for ever...)

[CapnBDL]

Gentlemen...Gentlemen...DOWN!!

Allow me to explain something. Bensam1231..BACK THE FUCK OFF! I have been in this thread for quite some time and have happily donated what I could, when I could to the devs. I am getting sick & tired of your constant bitching because you don't think something is going your way. It is very obvious to me, and most others, that you want to play God. News flash.....you are not God and these ppl are not for sale. GET OFF THIS BUS!

Now...I for one, am a small-time private miner. I got into this as a hobby and what it says in the area below is true. I am a stuck at home indivdual that mines for pleasure. I don't have a lot of BTC or any other crypto for that matter but gladly devote my time, electricity, & effort to test. It's fun to see how this stuff runs. Why should I take time to do this & let someone come in and say...OK Dude, thanks for helping now pay me for this code I just wrote. I don't code...I leave that to these ppl, that understand it.

I'm really pissed off at the ppl that do nothing to help, but have a bunch of whining to do because they want it their way. This ain't Mickey D's. I am sorry that some of the users in here are just that...users. Most of us know the time put into coding and try to give back.

To the devs...I'm apologizing for the leeches. No controlling that, but if you start selling what you think is your best work to only those that can afford it, I won't be buying. And...so much for 'open source'. Ppl will lose interest, find another hobby, the world of crypto will suffer, your work will have been for nothing due to that, and there will be no 'beers' for anyone. If the 'beers' you receive are not enough, it's time to look at another line of work.

Look, I have a ton more to say, but this isn't supposed to be a bitch session. I'm not like Bensam. I like having fun, even if I'm not the Captain of the team. So....can we all just get along? AMD ppl....GET OUT. You have your own thread. Don't want to hear about it. See ya later..bye.

I look forward to further efforts devs. I'm not always here, in this thread, but I'm most usually around. I have a single, as in one, GTX750Ti, that I saved up for out of my SSD monthly allowance. I'll still test, but not if I pay for the finish code. And YES...I EXPECT the best. Why should the big guns be the only ones?

Thank You

[joblo]

are you really getting 10,000 MH on quark out of a 970 ?? or did I read this wrong..

I only get 10,000 KH per card how are you getting double ??

GIMMIE !!

You should be getting around 16,000 KH/s quark on a 970. I'm not sure what could cause that sort
of deficit.  That seems too much for throttling. The old version of ccminer might  do it but I assume
that's not the case. An incorrectly compiled ccminer, omitting compute 5.0 & 5.2, might do it.
The CPU or GPU bogged down by other processes is also a possibility.

Do you have any other cards, how do they hash?

[bathrobehero]

We're still at it? Fine.
I think there's market for both open and closed source miners. SP_ also have his Spread and Cryptonight miner locked behind a 0.1-0.1 BTC donation-wall and if I had to guess he did alright with them. Now I only have a couple of rigs left and I'd still be interested to see what for-sale miners are out there. Granted, I'd be much more interested in miners that take a cut instead of gambling with paying upfront but still. Btw, I have no idea about the legalities but why don't open source coders have code added into their fork that mines a few shares to a donation proxy which people could chose to modify or even disable (being open source)? I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't disable it (even if they knew how to).

Anyway, let's be realistic and admit that everybody who buy mining rigs, optimize miners, buy ASICs and so on are doing so for the same reason; to have a bigger slice of the pie. And as long as there will be talented coders working on optimizing miners there will always be faster miners. If they distribute their work for free then every miner will have the same slice of the pie as they did with the older miner. And there are plenty of miners around the word who use these softwares without even knowing about this thread or they might not even speak English. Those people will not contribute which is also a big push towards closed source solutions. A few days ago 98 miners (with who knows how many cards in total) used SP-MOD just on yaamp alone. So basically every nvidia miner out there have the same speeds so they share the same amount of the pie. SP_ announcing that he's going to work opencl for a while pretty much means a lot of his nvidia optimizations will get negated if he does the same optimizations for AMD because then again, everybody with nvidia will have an even smaller share of the pie as AMDs get faster. Which is an understandable choice, my point is that profit is always about the slice of the pie in mining. It's bad enough how BTC value changed while electricity prices remained so eventually more and more miners with expensive to average electricity prices will be forced to give up mining even with the open source approach because they can't pay the bills - let alone hit ROI. As a biased and naturally greedy miner I, for one would much rather invest in a private miner that is profitable than potentially turning my rigs off in the future because I don't have access to cheap electricity. We can demonize ASICs, multipools, private kernels, farms with free electricity all day long but all of them will happen regardless and I think there's nothing wrong with anyone's efforts to making legit profit.

[CapnBDL]

Yup...I'm done. Nothing more to it.

Have a great Friday & a better weekend!

Happy Mining   

[becker]

ah man, going closed source.....

I donated a beer!!!!!!!!!...... lol. I did though.

So, how does one get in on this closed source action.

[5w00p]

ah man, going closed source.....

I donated a beer!!!!!!!!!...... lol. I did though.

So, how does one get in on this closed source action.

Where did you read that sp_ is "going closed source?"

I believe you are mistaken.
There has been some sort-of off-topic discussion here that you are apparently misunderstanding.

[Nubminer]

are you really getting 10,000 MH on quark out of a 970 ?? or did I read this wrong..

I only get 10,000 KH per card how are you getting double ??

GIMMIE !!

You should be getting around 16,000 KH/s quark on a 970. I'm not sure what could cause that sort
of deficit.  That seems too much for throttling. The old version of ccminer might  do it but I assume
that's not the case. An incorrectly compiled ccminer, omitting compute 5.0 & 5.2, might do it.
The CPU or GPU bogged down by other processes is also a possibility.

Do you have any other cards, how do they hash?

I mis-typed... I meant I was getting 20,000KH/s per card (980) sorry for the confusion.. I did not read what I typed. I was so surprised by his reporting of 10,000,000 KH/s per card I about shit myself (can I say that?)

[bensam1231]

I don't think the next kernals will be Opensource. I try my best to keep high standards, but you have quality coders like djm34 and wolf0 who push the standards.. The current quark implementation is good, but djm34 hash pushed it more than 10% faster after a few afternoons of work. Take a look at the neoscrypt kernal. It is really good... 300% faster than the opencl is insane...

I added another 50% by rewriting the blake implementation. but the sp-mod is only 7% faster than the djm34 mod.

and the Wolf0.. He is good. He is like me when I was 20..

sp ...

if you keep things open sourced - there will be more of intake of the one miner that really makes sense ...

i believe in donations - i believe in giving as well as receiving - i believe that the quality of work that you and other devs is awesome work ...

closing kernels and miners will just outdo the entire purpose of WHY open source is about and around in the first place ...

in saying that though - the awesome work that you guys do 'should' be compensated ... but there are ways and means of doing so bar 'just' getting paid for it ...

devs DO deserve to be compensated for the hard work that you put into these kernels and miners ...

there are incredible brains at work in this industry - why cant we all think out a way of compensating ALL the devs that CONTRIBUTE to this sphere? ... like you and djm and wolf and pallas and klaust and tsiv and cbuchner and the list goes on ...

we are continuing with the the donation links for miners for all you good devs - regardless ... so anyone that DOES want to donate mining hash - CAN! ... and can do it anonymously too ...

the donate-sp links are active and still testing - with the others getting prepared for the when the new servers come online ...

this whole crypto world was designed inherently to be an alternative to the fiat world ... closing the kernels and the miners is ultimately closing the doors on everything that crypto is all about ...

look at whats happening here? ...

we are all reverting BACK to the fiat game instead of moving forward with what satoshi envisioned in the first place - a fiat free world ... or at least a fiat reduced world ...

its sad really ...

#crysx

Fully quoted post because I fully agree with it. I'm perfectly happy donating part of my income to the dev that make it possible. Even if private miners become faster than SP_'s version, I will keep supporting him as long as it remains opensource.

And I believe closing the doors and reserving mining to a select few is going to hurt the crypto world in the long run: if an outsider looks at it and sees a closed world where all the profits go to a few people, his conclusion will be that the crypto world is exactly like the fiat world. If it is the same thing, except he has to learn a lot of things, avoid scams, and can't do everything he can do in the fiat world, why would he want to get involved?

I don't think he's saying he is going to make it private, rather just close sourced so people don't copy it and build private miners off of it. Close source != private. Something can be closed and free (as in doesn't cost anything) at the same time. That's essentially what is happening right now except for a few people who are also making open versions of it anyway. He could even make a pseudo-closed version, where he just doesn't make it readily available, but it will inevitably end up out there anyway... Or opensource older versions after a certain revision number.

There is nothing wrong with a dev fee either. Something really small like 1-2% is not what I'd consider outlandish. I'd definitely be willing to pay that if it keeps him on the project, which is definitely something that is needed so private miner shit wont start.

I think in this case, I think people who are against him close sourcing his work are probably the ones that have the most to lose by it... either because they're selling it or reaping the most rewards from it.

I have been in this thread for quite some time and have happily donated what I could, when I could to the devs. I am getting sick & tired of your constant bitching because you don't think something is going your way.

You didn't read any of what I wrote. For being 'in this thread for some time' you should be ashamed at your lack of comprehension of what you just wrote three paragraphs about. At no point did I say I wanted something for free or 'not pay for it'.

here did you read that sp_ is "going closed source?"

I believe you are mistaken.
There has been some sort-of off-topic discussion here that you are apparently misunderstanding.

Last page.

[CapnBDL]

ah man, going closed source.....

I donated a beer!!!!!!!!!...... lol. I did though.

So, how does one get in on this closed source action.

To clear it up...it started with one dev not saying anything, another saying something about not enough, another saying he wasn't playing, plus a member stirring the pot.

In other words...nothing has changed, as of now. Did that help? lol

Happy Mining!

EDIT; Bensam...there is a seat waiting for you in hell. You no longer dignify an answer. YOU ASS!

[sambiohazard]

ah man, going closed source.....

I donated a beer!!!!!!!!!...... lol. I did though.

So, how does one get in on this closed source action.

To clear it up...it started with one dev not saying anything, another saying something about not enough, another saying he wasn't playing, plus a member stirring the pot.

In other words...nothing has changed, as of now. Did that help? lol

Happy Mining!

EDIT; Go Fuck yourself BENSAM....you are nothing but trouble. It is you who should be ashamed!!!!!

lol I love the ignore button. Spread the love, dont hate

[CapnBDL]

ah man, going closed source.....

I donated a beer!!!!!!!!!...... lol. I did though.

So, how does one get in on this closed source action.

To clear it up...it started with one dev not saying anything, another saying something about not enough, another saying he wasn't playing, plus a member stirring the pot.

In other words...nothing has changed, as of now. Did that help? lol

Happy Mining!

EDIT; Go Fuck yourself BENSAM....you are nothing but trouble. It is you who should be ashamed!!!!!

lol I love the ignore button. Spread the love, dont hate

I'm lookin' for that botton now...thanks, didn't know it existed.

Edit; found it...Wanted to smash his face in. Such a troublemaker...Thank You for letting me know about the button.

[sambiohazard]

Its more of a link but anyways good for your mood. Have a good day.

[CapnBDL]

Its more of a link but anyways good for your mood. Have a good day.

Sheesh...and I'm almost never like that. It's just been lately he has gotten to me. My mood is much calmer now...thankx!  


on /w the parade!

[bensam1231]

Whoops, found something in my inbox I figure you guys should also see...

FUCK WAD...you do know how to read, don't you. Go back and reread what I wrote and explain where I said you wanted something for nothing. You really are as big a dick as I was told. Nobody likes you. Go home.

That was the context of your reply. Things aren't going my way because I'm not getting them for free.

"I'm really pissed off at the ppl that do nothing to help, but have a bunch of whining to do because they want it their way."

"To the devs...I'm apologizing for the leeches."

I guess I don't intend on having a thorough bout with someone who doesn't even comprehend what they write, let alone what I do.


I'm turning off email notifications for PMs, so if you want to be annoying, find some other way of doing it.

[chrysophylax]

just popping to have a read for a FEW MINUTES - and WOW! ...

a lot has been going on ... ...

allow me to clarify something here ... and speaking on my behalf - and the farm ...

it is the mere mention of closed source that sp made earlier that has sparked my response ...

closed source 'usually' means linux lockout ...

most things in linux NEED to be used under one of the licenses - or a derivation of the gpl ...

obviously there are ways around that - but generally - that is what its about ... which is why almost everything in linux IS open sourced ...

that really is one of the points ...

moreso - closed source is against ANY of the reasons we are here in the first place in crypto ...

anyone can argue one point or another but the very basis that all this is built on IS open source ...

i can go on to MANY other points - but it will be useless ...

the devs can do what they want with THEIR code ... i have said this many a time before - have backed it - and always will ...

BUT - i will say this ... we own a farm ... not one nvidia card that is mining ... we own a farm ... and that farm is growing ALL the time ...

does this mean i WANT the farm to be the one that is hammering more than anyone else on a card by card basis with the latest of all optimizations? ... not on your life ...

YES - i do buy some of the kernels and optimized miners ... YES - i believe that these optimizations would do the farm better ... YES - i like to dabble in many things crypto ...

but ...

NO - we do not buy all optimizations out there ... NO - i do not think that its a great idea ... NO - i do not believe it is fair to continue this form of payment ...

i personally have 'purchased' the optimized miners of a few devs that have only ever released windows versions - which we CANNOT use in the farm ... yes - that includes sp ...

why? ... because devs like sp put a shit load of work into the miner / optimizations and that was one way of us helping with the development - especially with the promise that a linux version would be forthcoming ...

but even that was not the main reason i personally am against closed source ...

the reason? ... fairness - openness - and clarity of situation ...

it is EASY for us to buy the latest and most optimized miner ( even thoguh a lot of our btc is in trades - which we can cash out and use of course ) - as it is easy for us to mash the 'small' miner in hashrate by doing so ...

but that is NOT why we started the farm - and NOT why i personally started in crypto ( or continue in crypto for that matter ) ...

i started in crypto for the whole reason i started with linux ...  fairness - openness - and clarity of situation ...

opensource is FAIR ... everyone has access ...

opensource is - well - open ... for all to see - code and all ...

open source is pure clarity of situation ... there is nothing hidden in opensource ... NOTHING ...

there will never be a situation in opensource that will be malicious or against the community in any way shape or form ...

IF for any reason it there is code that is - it will found out and alerted to the general public and the community at large ...

i am NOT ( i mean by a long shot ) saying that ANY of these devs are doing anything remotely malicious ... they are not ...

what i am saying is simply that it goes against ALL that we stand for here ...

it is NOT about money that the farm continues to grow - even though we NEED money ( fiat ) to make it grow ( and run ) ...

it is about the freedom that we can exchange services and goods WITHOUT the control of the 'powers' that be ...

i also started out with two video cards side by side - and WAS one of the 'small' players ... i KNOW what is was like to struggle with mining and doing it while the 'big' players got their optimizations and coins while we struggled to understand it all ... now a little bit bigger than a 'small' player - i still have the same ideals ...

closed source will crush that ... no matter which way you look at it ...

maybe im a little too outspoken over this - and can crawkl back in the shadows and watch - like i used to ... but i have been in the network and infrastructure industry for over 27years ... what that has taught me is simple ...

that when you let closed source come in - and let it take over - it will bind you in ways that you will never imagine ... like microsoft did way back ...

hence the reason i got out of 'that' industry and into a free and open world ... linux brought that world to life ...

i have ONE windows machine - just ONE ... and that is purely to support those that need real HELP ... and i do it for free ...

thats what closed source does ... in the bigger picture of course ...

even though closed source does not necessarily mean 'not free' - it does mean that we are at the whim of the next release from the 'owner' ...

with or without improvement - with or without anyone elses input ( eg - from other devs or the the community ) ...

this is something that the devs have the RIGHT to - after all its their code ... we just use it ...

but i wont be a part of a closed source system ever again ...

our farm WILL continue to grow ... even if you never hear from me here again ... it will continue to develop and the farm will continue to become a force to be reckoned with - BUT - it will NOT be slave to the closed source system ... ever ... this is the reason i will never have windows on ANY of the miners - unless microsoft release the code as open source ... simple ...

its an ideal and principle - not a paycheck ... at least for us here ...

devs - you all have our respect as well as mine ... so there MUST be other ways that YOU can benefit from the hard long hours that you do - for the benefit of the community ... there must be ...

i have yet to think of one ... but there will be a way ... an option needs to be sought - or we will just end up in the ways that once was - before satoshi and all that 'he' worked for ...

we will be doing our bit by supporting the facilitation of mining donations to you by way of providing the general community via donation mining portals ...

paid by us - maintained by us - for the you the devs who continue to support us the community of miners ...

this obviously still depends on the community at large to donate this way - but there are many that do - and many that still will ...

sp - ill work with you as best as i am capable of - as will the rest of the community - as i think your fork of ccminer is one of the best ... but i have said my piece on closed source apps and optimizations ...

in any case - there are my ramblings ... off to business again ... back in another day or so ...

#crysx

[CapnBDL]

If we can somehow manage, without the side-line interference, to get back on thread topic...that would be wonderful. Otherwise, there must be another thread to take the conversation concerning open/closed source too. Thanx

Now....sp_...dude, where ya at? Need anything? I'm gettin ready for bed...it's only 2:30am here..so sleep might be in the works. Let me know in the morning.
Later-