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I give up...all I know is that it works. Here's a great question; since all these new mods have been introduced, is anybody gonna take the time to update a readme file so we know wtf is going on /w the new switches?
edit; if the readme had some suggested parameters would really rock.
Tell ya what...if I get help from this forum, I'll do it. If everyone would test 1 or prefer 2 algo's and just send 'em to me /w what card or cards they tested. And if the devs will send me what the new switches are, what they do, etc., I'll take the current readme and compile a new readme /w a git posting. I could even add it to the .zip, I think. I know zip will allow adding a file so...what do ya say...anybody in for this? Like a concise version.
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May 14, 2015, 08:53:20 PM |
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Wheeew! Just tried Lyra and my vid driver got blown outa da water!! Anyone got some rough seting for Lyra2RE?
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May 14, 2015, 08:59:08 PM |
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I give up...all I know is that it works. Here's a great question; since all these new mods have been introduced, is anybody gonna take the time to update a readme file so we know wtf is going on /w the new switches?
edit; if the readme had some suggested parameters would really rock.
Tell ya what...if I get help from this forum, I'll do it. If everyone would test 1 or prefer 2 algo's and just send 'em to me /w what card or cards they tested. And if the devs will send me what the new switches are, what they do, etc., I'll take the current readme and compile a new readme /w a git posting. I could even add it to the .zip, I think. I know zip will allow adding a file so...what do ya say...anybody in for this? Like a concise version.
Good idea but I'm not sure the ccminer readme file is the best place for card specific data. The data will have to be maintained as new cards are introduced. If ccminer development slows the data wil become obsolete pretty fast. There is already some very obsolete information in the readme and help referring to coins that are long dead. What you're suggesting sounds like a small database considering the number of algos times the number of different cards. Even within one model and board manufacturer there are several variations of memory and clock speeds. Keeping it out of ccminer allows it to be updated independently of ccminer development. I suggest starting out by compiling the current data and posting here. If you or someone else feels ambitious they could put it in a database and put it up on a web site. |
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May 14, 2015, 09:06:58 PM |
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I give up...all I know is that it works. Here's a great question; since all these new mods have been introduced, is anybody gonna take the time to update a readme file so we know wtf is going on /w the new switches?
edit; if the readme had some suggested parameters would really rock.
Tell ya what...if I get help from this forum, I'll do it. If everyone would test 1 or prefer 2 algo's and just send 'em to me /w what card or cards they tested. And if the devs will send me what the new switches are, what they do, etc., I'll take the current readme and compile a new readme /w a git posting. I could even add it to the .zip, I think. I know zip will allow adding a file so...what do ya say...anybody in for this? Like a concise version.
Good idea but I'm not sure the ccminer readme file is the best place for card specific data. The data will have to be maintained as new cards are introduced. If ccminer development slows the data wil become obsolete pretty fast. There is already some very obsolete information in the readme and help referring to coins that are long dead. What you're suggesting sounds like a small database considering the number of algos times the number of different cards. Even within one model and board manufacturer there are several variations of memory and clock speeds. Keeping it out of ccminer allows it to be updated independently of ccminer development. I suggest starting out by compiling the current data and posting here. If you or someone else feels ambitious they could put it in a database and put it up on a web site. Well, as long as the forum helps out it really wouldn't be all that hard to put it in a spreadsheet type of thing. But that's going very deep. I was more or less looking at updating the readme that's with currently. It doesn't have to be exact. And be put in a concise form, similar to what is there. Get rid of the old crap, add the new mods, switches, etc. and a short form of, not recommended or highest, but starting places for people. EX. What just happenned to me...give me a rough idea of where to set a card for Lyra2RE......edit; we could easlier lowball the numbers. Even newbies know this is just a starting place, not all emcompassing. (fat fingers..lol) |
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May 14, 2015, 10:51:27 PM |
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So I'm actually curious why everyone talks about the TDP slider all the time. Why would it matter what the TDP slider is set at? It should just be set at the highest value just like with AMD cards. It wont use more power unless you turn up the mhz and even then it'll eventually crash unless you add more voltage. It just seems like a unnecessary variable as the TDP slider doesn't really increase efficiency if you decrease it as it will decrease your clockrates too, unless I'm mistaken.
What's the point of using the TDP slider over clocks/overvolts? Is it just my card that has a unlocked voltage modifier?
A extra six pin power connector doesn't necessarily mean it uses more power either. It can have a power connector and have lower core voltage, but uses the connector for cleaner power delivery instead of trying to pull everything through the bus. If it has a higher TDP, that also means it has higher core voltage, although it's not a absolute unit of measurement as each unit can be different (between bioses and versions).
To my understanding the TDP slider or power target limit is a hardcap on the maximum power the card uses. That is not necessarily translate into watt used by the card. The fans, the memory and the core itself all have to be collectively under the limit. If the limite is reached, you can't increase the clock speeds with overclocking because there's no power to do so. That's why you could reach higher core overclocks if you downclocked the memory in Kepler cards (probably applies to Maxwell as well) because then the memory used less and of course the fans can't get limited in power. |
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May 14, 2015, 11:24:06 PM |
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I give up...all I know is that it works. Here's a great question; since all these new mods have been introduced, is anybody gonna take the time to update a readme file so we know wtf is going on /w the new switches?
edit; if the readme had some suggested parameters would really rock.
Tell ya what...if I get help from this forum, I'll do it. If everyone would test 1 or prefer 2 algo's and just send 'em to me /w what card or cards they tested. And if the devs will send me what the new switches are, what they do, etc., I'll take the current readme and compile a new readme /w a git posting. I could even add it to the .zip, I think. I know zip will allow adding a file so...what do ya say...anybody in for this? Like a concise version.
Good idea but I'm not sure the ccminer readme file is the best place for card specific data. The data will have to be maintained as new cards are introduced. If ccminer development slows the data wil become obsolete pretty fast. There is already some very obsolete information in the readme and help referring to coins that are long dead. What you're suggesting sounds like a small database considering the number of algos times the number of different cards. Even within one model and board manufacturer there are several variations of memory and clock speeds. Keeping it out of ccminer allows it to be updated independently of ccminer development. I suggest starting out by compiling the current data and posting here. If you or someone else feels ambitious they could put it in a database and put it up on a web site. Well, as long as the forum helps out it really wouldn't be all that hard to put it in a spreadsheet type of thing. But that's going very deep. I was more or less looking at updating the readme that's with currently. It doesn't have to be exact. And be put in a concise form, similar to what is there. Get rid of the old crap, add the new mods, switches, etc. and a short form of, not recommended or highest, but starting places for people. EX. What just happenned to me...give me a rough idea of where to set a card for Lyra2RE......edit; we could easlier lowball the numbers. Even newbies know this is just a starting place, not all emcompassing. (fat fingers..lol) Agreed. The readme could contain some generic recommendations such as how the amount of memory, overclocking or other factors affect the choice or parms and which algos benefit the most from which parms. Newbies should probably stick with the defaults, I believe some defaults are tweaked automatically for each algo. perhaps SP could chime in with his thoughts. I don't play with these parms myself so it may be a bit hypocritical of me to be so opinionated but I just thought what you were proposing was too much for a readme file. |
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May 14, 2015, 11:40:32 PM |
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Wheeew! Just tried Lyra and my vid driver got blown outa da water!! Anyone got some rough seting for Lyra2RE?
LYRA2-- Use a low intensity setting for Lyra2. Using "-i 16.5" with no other performance switches works for my 750ti SSC cards. --scryptr |
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May 15, 2015, 12:48:26 AM |
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Wheeew! Just tried Lyra and my vid driver got blown outa da water!! Anyone got some rough seting for Lyra2RE?
LYRA2-- Use a low intensity setting for Lyra2. Using "-i 16.5" with no other performance switches works for my 750ti SSC cards. --scryptr Thank you i have to admit that i was using higher figures than that ( -i 23 is max but many cpu validation errors ) ... -i 22.5 was the main setting - but -i 16.5 seems to do a similar job - if not better ... this is for the gigabyte 750ti oc lp ... tanx for that mate ... #crysx |
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May 15, 2015, 12:56:59 AM |
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Wheeew! Just tried Lyra and my vid driver got blown outa da water!! Anyone got some rough seting for Lyra2RE?
LYRA2-- Use a low intensity setting for Lyra2. Using "-i 16.5" with no other performance switches works for my 750ti SSC cards. --scryptr If you want to mine lyra2 checkout cpuminer-multi. I get higher hash rates on my i7-4790 than a 750ti. |
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May 15, 2015, 01:05:26 AM |
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Wheeew! Just tried Lyra and my vid driver got blown outa da water!! Anyone got some rough seting for Lyra2RE?
LYRA2-- Use a low intensity setting for Lyra2. Using "-i 16.5" with no other performance switches works for my 750ti SSC cards. --scryptr If you want to mine lyra2 checkout cpuminer-multi. I get higher hash rates on my i7-4790 than a 750ti. what hashrate do you get? ... #crysx |
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If you want to mine lyra2 checkout cpuminer-multi. I get higher hash rates on my i7-4790 than a 750ti.
what hashrate do you get? ... #crysx Default 7 threads @ 115 Kh/s each on i7-4790k @ 4.3 GHz. Best performing cpuminer/algo combination I've found and the only one that beats a 750ti, or even comes close. minerd/x11 is a very distant second at 8 x 85 Kh/s (minerd defaults to 8 threads). I think lyra2 is a very challenging algo for GPUs. Edit: I should qualify this by saying it's the best free cpuminer/algo combination. I have no knowledge of any private cpu miners. |
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May 15, 2015, 01:57:04 AM
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If you want to mine lyra2 checkout cpuminer-multi. I get higher hash rates on my i7-4790 than a 750ti.
what hashrate do you get? ... #crysx Default 7 threads @ 115 Kh/s each on i7-4790k @ 4.3 GHz. Best performing cpuminer/algo combination I've found and the only one that beats a 750ti, or even comes close. minerd/x11 is a very distant second at 8 x 85 Kh/s (minerd defaults to 8 threads). I think lyra2 is a very challenging algo for GPUs. Edit: I should qualify this by saying it's the best free cpuminer/algo combination. I have no knowledge of any private cpu miners. thats pretty good for cpu ... so i must agree that it does perform quite well ... but that cpu ( from memory - too lazy to check ) also chews almost 90W of power ... the gigabyte 750ti oc lp max is about 40-60W and does a little over 660KH on lyra2 with spmod ... cost wise - at around 3 x the price of one of those cards ( basing it on australian dollars - but should be approx worldwide ratios ) - the hashrate doesnt play well ... but then again - thats if you are ONLY mining ( like we are ) ... still - quite impressive for a cpu hashrate ... can you still use your computer when all 4 cores are at full pace? ... or does it slow down to being almost unusable? ... btw - where is the link for the software? ... github link? ... miner settings that you use also please? ... tanx ... #crysx |
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May 15, 2015, 03:02:56 AM |
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If you want to mine lyra2 checkout cpuminer-multi. I get higher hash rates on my i7-4790 than a 750ti.
what hashrate do you get? ... #crysx Default 7 threads @ 115 Kh/s each on i7-4790k @ 4.3 GHz. Best performing cpuminer/algo combination I've found and the only one that beats a 750ti, or even comes close. minerd/x11 is a very distant second at 8 x 85 Kh/s (minerd defaults to 8 threads). I think lyra2 is a very challenging algo for GPUs. Edit: I should qualify this by saying it's the best free cpuminer/algo combination. I have no knowledge of any private cpu miners. thats pretty good for cpu ... so i must agree that it does perform quite well ... but that cpu ( from memory - too lazy to check ) also chews almost 90W of power ... the gigabyte 750ti oc lp max is about 40-60W and does a little over 660KH on lyra2 with spmod ... cost wise - at around 3 x the price of one of those cards ( basing it on australian dollars - but should be approx worldwide ratios ) - the hashrate doesnt play well ... but then again - thats if you are ONLY mining ( like we are ) ... still - quite impressive for a cpu hashrate ... can you still use your computer when all 4 cores are at full pace? ... or does it slow down to being almost unusable? ... btw - where is the link for the software? ... github link? ... miner settings that you use also please? ... tanx ... #crysx You're right about the power but if you really really want to mine lyra2 I think CPU is the way to go. If you're GPU mining, lyra2 can't compete with any of the other algos. You can also CPU mine lyra2 alongside GPU mining a more profitable algo. CPU mining with n threads can affect ccminer so I usually use n-1, which just happens to be the default. Other CPU intensive applications like compiling are obviously not advised but casual desktop use is still reasonably responsive. I occasionally fire it up if lyra2 is paying unusually well but not lately with the way quark is performing. What's with the order prices on nicehash? What could they be mining at those prices? I've seen that kind of activity on nicehash prior to a coin launch but it usually only lasts a coule of days but I haven't seen any new quark coins in a long time. And this has been going on for over a month but accelerated in the last couple of days. Even yaamp rentals are paying higher than any of the coins in their pool. Edit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841401.0 |
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May 15, 2015, 03:36:06 AM |
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If you want to mine lyra2 checkout cpuminer-multi. I get higher hash rates on my i7-4790 than a 750ti.
what hashrate do you get? ... #crysx Default 7 threads @ 115 Kh/s each on i7-4790k @ 4.3 GHz. Best performing cpuminer/algo combination I've found and the only one that beats a 750ti, or even comes close. minerd/x11 is a very distant second at 8 x 85 Kh/s (minerd defaults to 8 threads). I think lyra2 is a very challenging algo for GPUs. Edit: I should qualify this by saying it's the best free cpuminer/algo combination. I have no knowledge of any private cpu miners. thats pretty good for cpu ... so i must agree that it does perform quite well ... but that cpu ( from memory - too lazy to check ) also chews almost 90W of power ... the gigabyte 750ti oc lp max is about 40-60W and does a little over 660KH on lyra2 with spmod ... cost wise - at around 3 x the price of one of those cards ( basing it on australian dollars - but should be approx worldwide ratios ) - the hashrate doesnt play well ... but then again - thats if you are ONLY mining ( like we are ) ... still - quite impressive for a cpu hashrate ... can you still use your computer when all 4 cores are at full pace? ... or does it slow down to being almost unusable? ... btw - where is the link for the software? ... github link? ... miner settings that you use also please? ... tanx ... #crysx You're right about the power but if you really really want to mine lyra2 I think CPU is the way to go. If you're GPU mining, lyra2 can't compete with any of the other algos. You can also CPU mine lyra2 alongside GPU mining a more profitable algo. CPU mining with n threads can affect ccminer so I usually use n-1, which just happens to be the default. Other CPU intensive applications like compiling are obviously not advised but casual desktop use is still reasonably responsive. I occasionally fire it up if lyra2 is paying unusually well but not lately with the way quark is performing. What's with the order prices on nicehash? What could they be mining at those prices? I've seen that kind of activity on nicehash prior to a coin launch but it usually only lasts a coule of days but I haven't seen any new quark coins in a long time. And this has been going on for over a month but accelerated in the last couple of days. Even yaamp rentals are paying higher than any of the coins in their pool. Edit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841401.0The whole reason I asked about Lyra is because I'm using Miner Control to help keep my connection to yaamp. It works great, took me some time to get it to run, but does, according to price, switch to that algo. |
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The whole reason I asked about Lyra is because I'm using Miner Control to help keep my connection to yaamp. It works great, took me some time to get it to run, but does, according to price, switch to that algo.
I think yaamp normalises prices based on AMD HW, as do most profit switching multipools. Some algos are way off compared to ccminer. |
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The whole reason I asked about Lyra is because I'm using Miner Control to help keep my connection to yaamp. It works great, took me some time to get it to run, but does, according to price, switch to that algo.
I think yaamp normalises prices based on AMD HW, as do most profit switching multipools. Some algos are way off compared to ccminer. NiceHash/WestHash allows you to set the hashrate factors, I believe; I love that, since mine are different as well. was running on yaamp as a test a little bit ago ... only 3 threads ( 3 x cores ) actively test mining on this machine ( the only windows machine ) ... - windows vista ultimate x64 ( yup - i know i - know ) ... - quad core amd phenom ii 965 running 3.4GHz - tpruvot cpuminer-multi-mingw64 1.0.9 cpuminer-multi-mingw64 -a lyra2 -u 1CTiNJyoUmbdMRACtteRWXhGqtSETYd6Vd -p x -o stratum+tcp://yaamp.com:4433 -b 0.0.0.0:4048 -t 3 runs quite well for a cpu miner ... ------- [2015-05-15 14:13:36] accepted: 365/367 (99.46%), 294.01 khash/s yay!!! [2015-05-15 14:13:59] thread 0: 2240475 hashes, 96.67 khash/s [2015-05-15 14:13:59] accepted: 366/368 (99.46%), 293.20 khash/s yay!!! [2015-05-15 14:14:01] thread 2: 4887637 hashes, 97.77 khash/s [2015-05-15 14:14:01] accepted: 367/369 (99.46%), 292.67 khash/s yay!!! [2015-05-15 14:14:12] thread 1: 5893801 hashes, 97.14 khash/s [2015-05-15 14:14:15] yaamp.com:4433 sent lyra2 block 60339 [2015-05-15 14:14:15] thread 0: 1525634 hashes, 96.15 khash/s [2015-05-15 14:14:15] thread 1: 253782 hashes, 91.62 khash/s [2015-05-15 14:14:15] thread 2: 1294897 hashes, 96.27 khash/s [2015-05-15 14:14:52] thread 0: 3681011 hashes, 97.38 khash/s [2015-05-15 14:14:53] accepted: 368/370 (99.46%), 285.28 khash/s yay!!! [2015-05-15 14:15:01] thread 1: 4481330 hashes, 96.29 khash/s [2015-05-15 14:15:01] accepted: 369/371 (99.46%), 289.95 khash/s yay!!! ------- if cpu can do this - how much more can be optimized with gpu? ... #crysx |
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The whole reason I asked about Lyra is because I'm using Miner Control to help keep my connection to yaamp. It works great, took me some time to get it to run, but does, according to price, switch to that algo.
I think yaamp normalises prices based on AMD HW, as do most profit switching multipools. Some algos are way off compared to ccminer. NiceHash/WestHash allows you to set the hashrate factors, I believe; I love that, since mine are different as well. im sure you are correct ... but i have yet to figure out how on westhash ... #crysx |
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NiceHash/WestHash allows you to set the hashrate factors, I believe; I love that, since mine are different as well.
Is that on the multi-algo port? That only works with the opencl miners, not sure if it's only some of them. ccminer certainly can't handle algo switching. I don't know if the custom factors can be used on the individual algo ports, which would allow a simple round robin bat file to do profit switching. If Miner Control can manage algo switching with ccminer (and it seems it can) it can probably handle custom price normalization as well. |
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So I'm actually curious why everyone talks about the TDP slider all the time. Why would it matter what the TDP slider is set at? It should just be set at the highest value just like with AMD cards. It wont use more power unless you turn up the mhz and even then it'll eventually crash unless you add more voltage. It just seems like a unnecessary variable as the TDP slider doesn't really increase efficiency if you decrease it as it will decrease your clockrates too, unless I'm mistaken.
What's the point of using the TDP slider over clocks/overvolts? Is it just my card that has a unlocked voltage modifier?
A extra six pin power connector doesn't necessarily mean it uses more power either. It can have a power connector and have lower core voltage, but uses the connector for cleaner power delivery instead of trying to pull everything through the bus. If it has a higher TDP, that also means it has higher core voltage, although it's not a absolute unit of measurement as each unit can be different (between bioses and versions).
To my understanding the TDP slider or power target limit is a hardcap on the maximum power the card uses. That is not necessarily translate into watt used by the card. The fans, the memory and the core itself all have to be collectively under the limit. If the limite is reached, you can't increase the clock speeds with overclocking because there's no power to do so. That's why you could reach higher core overclocks if you downclocked the memory in Kepler cards (probably applies to Maxwell as well) because then the memory used less and of course the fans can't get limited in power. Yeah, so there really is no reason to manually limit the TDP or turn it down with the power slider compared to adjusting clocks and voltage?
The whole reason I asked about Lyra is because I'm using Miner Control to help keep my connection to yaamp. It works great, took me some time to get it to run, but does, according to price, switch to that algo.
I think yaamp normalises prices based on AMD HW, as do most profit switching multipools. Some algos are way off compared to ccminer. Multipool profit %s (like on nicehash) are not always representative of how much you can make by mining with a certain algo compared to another one. They don't always keep up with miner development or certain generations of cards. For a long time Nicehash was completely inaccurate when it came to that. Obviously it doesn't include power usage either, which can be extremely misleading. |
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The whole reason I asked about Lyra is because I'm using Miner Control to help keep my connection to yaamp. It works great, took me some time to get it to run, but does, according to price, switch to that algo.
I think yaamp normalises prices based on AMD HW, as do most profit switching multipools. Some algos are way off compared to ccminer. Looks like AMD gpus are best on lyra2re, see my miner in the signature (r9 290 almost 1.8 Mh/s and about 200W). |
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