GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[wdl1908]

From a technical perspective you know a lot more than they do or probably ever will. Why don't you just run your own farm, buy some Spondoolies or whatever, and control your own fate? You actually have the technical expertise to do it, unlike these jokers. I bet you could probably actually wire an IP camera on the farm too (wow, that would be a first).

Well I made the calculations about buying some SP30's and it was really not very profitable to have them hosted in a data center and I really don't have the space or power requirements to do this at home. So the only next alternative was cloud hosting. And I got that from GAW with buying a war machine and later converting it to hashlets.

Unlike many of the hashtalkers, you are not someone who is only capable of "clicking amps" once a day to maximize your returns. You can actually do it.

I just don't understand the reason why people who are smart and competent are buying into this. Hell, I bet you could start your own coin too and it might actually have a new feature or two and not just be a total hype machine. You apparently can at least read the c++ wallet source code which is by far more than most on HT.

Yes i really could do this but making a coin is easy. The difficult part is making a coin that is successful. And that is exactly what GAW is trying to do. The implementation of their plans are not very good but at least they try to do something different and new.

Most coins that come on the market have no backing no community nothing they really start from nothing and most of them fail because everybody tries to pump and dump it.

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[Mr Felt]

Why do you think they have $100M in backing? Because Josh says so?
Maybe they made some money by selling all the hardware that belonged to the people who were mining over there, but no way this can ever be $100M.

I think you misinterpreted my comment - I should have made it more clear; apologies for poor sarcasm usage. I DON'T think they have 100M.  I was pointing out an inconsistency: excuses/justifications for their suckage based on inexperience are incompatible, at least to me, with also believing they really had 100M USD in investor backing.

Sorry for that, I misinterpreted it. English is not my native language.

No, no.  Totally my fault.  Its a good lesson - I should write more clearly and shouldn't assume everyone speaks the same language or in the same proficiency.  Sincerely, thank you for the reminder.  Wish there was a dogecoin tipbot here, I would make a shibe out of you.

[Paul Revere]

I really don't care If I get any return from this but I like the idea of cloud staking and the direction that GAW is going.

Be honest. You don't give two shits about "cloud staking". You only care about the returns. Everyone who has ever invested in any of GAW's get rich quick schemes only cares about the returns.

I really don't care about returns I have never invested one cent of FIAT in anything crypto like i said I mined on block of BTC and that is it. If it give me returns I will be happy if is does not give me returns then so be it.

Please do explain what part of "cloud staking" you care about other than the returns.

Cloud staking (like hashlets) really only consists of returns. There are no other features/functions.

It's all just numbers in a database changing as you are slowly given back part of your original investment.

LMFAO. I think Daffy is (maybe) starting to figure out that he got conned and is now giving it the old "I don't really care if I win, it's just a game" bullshit that every pathetic poor sport who can not accept that they have lost has spouted since the beginning of time.

[wdl1908]

I really don't care If I get any return from this but I like the idea of cloud staking and the direction that GAW is going.

Be honest. You don't give two shits about "cloud staking". You only care about the returns. Everyone who has ever invested in any of GAW's get rich quick schemes only cares about the returns.

I really don't care about returns I have never invested one cent of FIAT in anything crypto like i said I mined on block of BTC and that is it. If it give me returns I will be happy if is does not give me returns then so be it.

Please do explain what part of "cloud staking" you care about other than the returns.

Cloud staking (like hashlets) really only consists of returns. There are no other features/functions.

It's all just numbers in a database changing as you are slowly given back part of your original investment.

LMFAO. I think Daffy is (maybe) starting to figure out that he got conned and is now giving it the old "I don't really care if I win, it's just a game" bullshit that every pathetic poor sport who can not accept that they have lost has spouted since the beginning of time.

So you don't believe me when I say that I did not put one cent of FIAT any crypto business. Well I can't disprove it what I can prove is this.

Address: 13PMri2kELRNziou7fHUtwMSkymEFzwWx1
Message: My block of 50BTC
Signature: HA0zVtpDWbkivNeeAJMp65k9YO1/aIIYC6ZBi7xz9WjVYjUSJFfvNjKale913hGhas7lsb//tEgjUjwpyYyXnmQ=

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[interstellar]

From a technical perspective you know a lot more than they do or probably ever will. Why don't you just run your own farm, buy some Spondoolies or whatever, and control your own fate? You actually have the technical expertise to do it, unlike these jokers. I bet you could probably actually wire an IP camera on the farm too (wow, that would be a first).

Well I made the calculations about buying some SP30's and it was really not very profitable to have them hosted in a data center and I really don't have the space or power requirements to do this at home. So the only next alternative was cloud hosting. And I got that from GAW with buying a war machine and later converting it to hashlets.

Unlike many of the hashtalkers, you are not someone who is only capable of "clicking amps" once a day to maximize your returns. You can actually do it.

I just don't understand the reason why people who are smart and competent are buying into this. Hell, I bet you could start your own coin too and it might actually have a new feature or two and not just be a total hype machine. You apparently can at least read the c++ wallet source code which is by far more than most on HT.

Yes i really could do this but making a coin is easy. The difficult part is making a coin that is successful. And that is exactly what GAW is trying to do. The implementation of their plans are not very good but at least they try to do something different and new.

Most coins that come on the market have no backing no community nothing they really start from nothing and most of them fail because everybody tries to pump and dump it.

Agree to disagree.

But I will say I think you are pretty much a stand-up guy and I appreciate your fair and thoughtful responses. You are welcome here anytime. I myself like to see both sides of the coin, lol. If for any reason you think we are wrong, be sure to let us know why. We always need someone to keep us honest too.

[MinermanNC]

I like staking too... with baked potato, mushroom gravy and salad... nah seriously though the new cloud staking with hybrid hyperflex thermonuclear staking is going to be the wave of the future, everyone knows that  

[wdl1908]

From a technical perspective you know a lot more than they do or probably ever will. Why don't you just run your own farm, buy some Spondoolies or whatever, and control your own fate? You actually have the technical expertise to do it, unlike these jokers. I bet you could probably actually wire an IP camera on the farm too (wow, that would be a first).

Well I made the calculations about buying some SP30's and it was really not very profitable to have them hosted in a data center and I really don't have the space or power requirements to do this at home. So the only next alternative was cloud hosting. And I got that from GAW with buying a war machine and later converting it to hashlets.

Unlike many of the hashtalkers, you are not someone who is only capable of "clicking amps" once a day to maximize your returns. You can actually do it.

I just don't understand the reason why people who are smart and competent are buying into this. Hell, I bet you could start your own coin too and it might actually have a new feature or two and not just be a total hype machine. You apparently can at least read the c++ wallet source code which is by far more than most on HT.

Yes i really could do this but making a coin is easy. The difficult part is making a coin that is successful. And that is exactly what GAW is trying to do. The implementation of their plans are not very good but at least they try to do something different and new.

Most coins that come on the market have no backing no community nothing they really start from nothing and most of them fail because everybody tries to pump and dump it.

Agree to disagree.

But I will say I think you are pretty much a stand-up guy and I appreciate your fair and thoughtful responses. You are welcome here anytime. I myself like to see both sides of the coin, lol. If for any reason you think we are wrong, be sure to let us know why. We always need someone to keep us honest too.

I would like to hear your disagreement.

[baselope]

I would suspect the announcement is scheduled for next week, or during the BTC conference.  I wish I could attend.

Posts from this site led me over to GAW Miners long ago...and it has been a good ride over there.  I second what Daffy has said, the price dropped on som miners I had ordered, and a simple call got me credit.  Other items along the way have caused me to "believe" in the intent of the company, versus the mistakes along the way.  Basically, they always try to make things right for their customers.  Who else does that in this space?

I have gotten my ROI , so again, I am in for the long term benefit of what this vision has to offer.  I like the direction, even if the execution has not been stellar.  And I am not a XPY only kind of guy.  I still have LTC (now pretty much worthless, as I bought in or mined when it was $10+.  And a little smattering of other coins, Doge, BTC, Etherium...

What I do not understand, is if you have to scream SCAM from the mountaintops, why isn't that  cry backed up by real evidence of wrongdoing, and not just presumed wrongdoing?
 Companies and the people that drive them make mistakes.  It is how they take care of those problems that seperate the good ones from the bad ones.  My past experience with GAW leads me to believe they are trying to take this effort forward, and benefit their customers, and the industry.

 It does NOT appear that they are here to "take the money and run"....

I will leave that to the guys over at Cryptodouble....

[Paul Revere]

LMFAO. I think Daffy is (maybe) starting to figure out that he got conned and is now giving it the old "I don't really care if I win, it's just a game" bullshit that every pathetic poor sport who can not accept that they have lost has spouted since the beginning of time.

So you don't believe me when I say that I did not put one cent of FIAT any crypto business. Well I can't disprove it what I can prove is this.

Address: 13PMri2kELRNziou7fHUtwMSkymEFzwWx1
Message: My block of 50BTC
Signature: HA0zVtpDWbkivNeeAJMp65k9YO1/aIIYC6ZBi7xz9WjVYjUSJFfvNjKale913hGhas7lsb//tEgjUjwpyYyXnmQ=

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I did not say anything of the sort. If you are OK with handing a dirty, stinking, rotten, lying, in-your-face con man like Josh all of your BTC, then that is your prerogative. It is also my prerogative to call you a moron for doing so. On the upside, since you are a gullible fool and claim that you will be out of the crypto world as soon as you have blindly handed all of your BTC to people who promise you the moon, you will not be around to whine about it much longer. Problem solved.

[interstellar]

From a technical perspective you know a lot more than they do or probably ever will. Why don't you just run your own farm, buy some Spondoolies or whatever, and control your own fate? You actually have the technical expertise to do it, unlike these jokers. I bet you could probably actually wire an IP camera on the farm too (wow, that would be a first).

Well I made the calculations about buying some SP30's and it was really not very profitable to have them hosted in a data center and I really don't have the space or power requirements to do this at home. So the only next alternative was cloud hosting. And I got that from GAW with buying a war machine and later converting it to hashlets.

Unlike many of the hashtalkers, you are not someone who is only capable of "clicking amps" once a day to maximize your returns. You can actually do it.

I just don't understand the reason why people who are smart and competent are buying into this. Hell, I bet you could start your own coin too and it might actually have a new feature or two and not just be a total hype machine. You apparently can at least read the c++ wallet source code which is by far more than most on HT.

Yes i really could do this but making a coin is easy. The difficult part is making a coin that is successful. And that is exactly what GAW is trying to do. The implementation of their plans are not very good but at least they try to do something different and new.

Most coins that come on the market have no backing no community nothing they really start from nothing and most of them fail because everybody tries to pump and dump it.

Agree to disagree.

But I will say I think you are pretty much a stand-up guy and I appreciate your fair and thoughtful responses. You are welcome here anytime. I myself like to see both sides of the coin, lol. If for any reason you think we are wrong, be sure to let us know why. We always need someone to keep us honest too.

I would like to hear your disagreement.

I just mean in general your belief in Gaw and my lack in belief in Gaw. If you haven't been persuaded by reading this thread, then there's nothing I can possibly say that will lol. And I haven't seen anything to change my mind yet. I will keep an open mind though. If Josh does figure out how to create a $20 floor, well that would be one hell of a start.

[JoostB]

I really don't care If I get any return from this but I like the idea of cloud staking and the direction that GAW is going.

Be honest. You don't give two shits about "cloud staking". You only care about the returns. Everyone who has ever invested in any of GAW's get rich quick schemes only cares about the returns.

I really don't care about returns I have never invested one cent of FIAT in anything crypto like i said I mined on block of BTC and that is it. If it give me returns I will be happy if is does not give me returns then so be it.

Please do explain what part of "cloud staking" you care about other than the returns.

Cloud staking (like hashlets) really only consists of returns. There are no other features/functions.

It's all just numbers in a database changing as you are slowly given back part of your original investment.

LMFAO. I think Daffy is (maybe) starting to figure out that he got conned and is now giving it the old "I don't really care if I win, it's just a game" bullshit that every pathetic poor sport who can not accept that they have lost has spouted since the beginning of time.

What I don't get is that there are still so many people believing everything that Garza says.

March last year I bought several miners from them and they were lying right from the start about delivery times.
I got several mails that the items were shipped but I saw they were not in transit, Josh blamed it on USPS but actually the miners were not shipped at all.
Then they were trying to keep me happy with things like 'store credit' and made me part of GAW founders (what ever it means).
I really hate it when people lie, so already in April last year I decided to cancel my last order for a refund (which I was lucky to get) and to never do business with them again.    
 

[suchmoon]

What I do not understand, is if you have to scream SCAM from the mountaintops, why isn't that  cry backed up by real evidence of wrongdoing, and not just presumed wrongdoing?

I never screamed scam, but I'm just failing to understand how repeated lies and poorly implemented or forgotten promises and other ongoing issues can't be considered wrong by some who have a lower threshold of tolerance for that kind of stuff? If it's not a scam but just a poorly managed business, is it really inconceivable that some people might have their trust in the "intent" affected by that?

[ikeboy]

Paybase uses http://www.riskified.com/. In case anyone wanted to know.

[wdl1908]

What I do not understand, is if you have to scream SCAM from the mountaintops, why isn't that  cry backed up by real evidence of wrongdoing, and not just presumed wrongdoing?

I never screamed scam, but I'm just failing to understand how repeated lies and poorly implemented or forgotten promises and other ongoing issues can't be considered wrong by some who have a lower threshold of tolerance for that kind of stuff? If it's not a scam but just a poorly managed business, is it really inconceivable that some people might have their trust in the "intent" affected by that?

No it is not and I agree with you. But a lot of others have screamed scam.

[sobitcoin]

With a brand Paycoin/Paybase w.e  in such deep water, with such negativity from the community that will inevitably be their niche market, why/how do people believe this is worth anything at all?

The idea is that only trolls and haters are the problem for Paycoin/Paybase. Once grandmas and grandpas - who presumably don't read Reddit or Coinfire - start using it everything will be fine.

Trouble is that I don't see any added value this would offer to anybody, let alone the piss-poor track record of promises vs implementation.

I agree with that last statement. If they start implementation and then announce instead of announce and then implement they could recover from this.

I can see where you guys are coming from,  personally can't see it playing out.   This will not stop, and I mean, there is innovation and entreprenuership in the crypto ecosystem daily. Everyday, there is a new young entreprenuer starting up. Everyday a new innovative company is offering awesome services. I have been here a little over a year, and to this day, the only company with this much bad/negative publicity while still functioning would be Moolah in my eyes, and we know how that ended. Not comparing them or saying they are the same, but to me, it seems as though any investor who is working with hard earned money, (not money that came from buying bitcoin at $10, looking for another quick gain) would even consider, considddderr putting capital into a brand with this much negativity, not to mention the entity in charge consistantly falling short of ANY promises, and blame the people questioning about valid Q' as FUD and "trolls".  No real investor would throw money at a brand that is this badly mismanaged, love to be proved wrong on that... but doubtful.

I just don't see it. Would love someone to really bring crypto to the main stream, but if Paybase is where this starts, I am very happy staying where I am.  Just don;t see it, and these scam threads, aren't really productive for anyone in here, except trying to "rid" crypto of the scams before people get taken for everything....  

A side note, grandmas and grandpas, probably not the market that will bring much volume to the equation.  Maybe they have a partnership coming with lifealert (button for seniors who have fallen)?  Buy 2 XPY get a free life alert button!



Also people really need to learn the difference between screaming scams trolls FUD - and - VALID QUESTIONS that continually go unanswered!

[Paul Revere]

What I do not understand, is if you have to scream SCAM from the mountaintops, why isn't that  cry backed up by real evidence of wrongdoing, and not just presumed wrongdoing?

I never screamed scam, but I'm just failing to understand how repeated lies and poorly implemented or forgotten promises and other ongoing issues can't be considered wrong by some who have a lower threshold of tolerance for that kind of stuff? If it's not a scam but just a poorly managed business, is it really inconceivable that some people might have their trust in the "intent" affected by that?

No it is not and I agree with you. But a lot of others have screamed scam.

Josh (GAW) took people's money and promised to deliver a variety of things and did not deliver and kept the money.

This is the definition of a SCAM. Case closed.

You have been fucking Paycoined:




The question is, when are you going to come to grips with the simple fact that you have been taken for a fool, and secondly, perhaps more importantly, when are you going to stop helping this operation rip more people off?

[DARKANGEL6415]

Never forget these faces...

Scott-

is it me or do several of this guys have tits makes them look like a girl, and i dont know what it is about josh that makes me want to say " you got such pretty lips boy " 

[suchmoon]

is it me or do several of this guys have tits makes them look like a girl, and i dont know what it is about josh that makes me want to say " you got such pretty lips boy " 

It's just you... but I'm not judging 

[wdl1908]

The question is, when are you going to come to grips with the simple fact that you have been taken for a fool, and secondly, perhaps more importantly, when are you going to stop helping this operation rip more people off?

So you would like for me to shout scam with you? Is that what you want? And what am I doing to help this operation? Am I actively convincing people to invest in GAW? Did I ever convince anybody to invest in GAW? No I did not. And you people wonder why nobody believes you every other post is a personal attack. There are only a handful of people on this topic that don't resort to personal attacks.

[Paul Revere]

The question is, when are you going to come to grips with the simple fact that you have been taken for a fool, and secondly, perhaps more importantly, when are you going to stop helping this operation rip more people off?

So you would like for me to shout scam with you? Is that what you want? And what am I doing to help this operation? Am I actively convincing people to invest in GAW? Did I ever convince anybody to invest in GAW? No I did not. And you people wonder why nobody believes you every other post is a personal attack. There are only a handful of people on this topic that don't resort to personal attacks.

You are playing cheerleader for Paycoin. Paycoin is a scam. I do not want anything from you, but do not expect me to have any respect for someone who engages in this sort of activity.

If someone calling you a moron for blindly throwing your money away and openly trying to convince others to do the same, tough shit, grow some thicker bark or get out of the forest.