GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[cmilian]

KInd of hard to be in bad standing after just 1.5 months up isnt it?

Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 12/02/2014

Correct. We are just a bit over a month old. We launched at the Miami Bitcoin Conference.

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[maildir]

Like I said, I am invested, meaning that I hold coin. I rather not works towards damaging XPY if I own XPY, just comon sense in my book. And yes, you are correct. It may end up being zero and I may lose all my XPY

am the one that hold the least. Only 2500 XPY

$1400 worth so create this company to save it. How much did you invest in this company you are CEO of? And what qualifications do you have? Are you not this photographer?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carmelo-Milian-Photography/254720801215253?sk=info&tab=page_info

[cmilian]

Like I said, I am invested, meaning that I hold coin. I rather not works towards damaging XPY if I own XPY, just comon sense in my book. And yes, you are correct. It may end up being zero and I may lose all my XPY

am the one that hold the least. Only 2500 XPY

$1400 worth so create this company to save it. How much did you invest in this company you are CEO of? And what qualifications do you have? Are you not this photographer?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carmelo-Milian-Photography/254720801215253?sk=info&tab=page_info

I did not create this company to save my XPY. I created because I saw a business model that will be successfully profitable while benefiting its customers. It would be very dumb to build a company to save 2000 xpy wouldn't it ?

I wish I was a photographer, It is my hobby I love it, specially fashion photography. But I can not really be called a photographer. Do you have anything against the Art of Photography?

ohhh sorry, forgot to mention my background. 13 Years as a Business Operations Consultant for Microsoft. Then Lots of Development. You can find me in Linked in together with lots of recommendations and history. 

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

^Who invited the sales pitch

[SkyValeey]

when 20$? 

More asks at cryptsy... Hard to rebound now, maybe will fall more next 24h.

[maildir]

The other 2 people making up your company. Are they registered at hashtalk.org and do they post there?

[cmilian]

The other 2 people making up your company. Are they registered at hashtalk.org and do they post there?

Yes they are in hashtalk, BTCLend was founded in a discussion at Hashtalk. Not sure they post here. This is not the most welcoming community. I come and go, specially when doing research on altcoins configuration for mining. To be honest I dont dare to ask many questions here. I tried that once two years ago when I started in Crypto and it was hard to ask questions without getting some rude people comments in.

[cmilian]

I will be back, Family time calls. Please feel free to ask any questions you have at the support link if any. I cant be here all the time to answer your questions as I would like. https://btclend.zendesk.com/
Thank you for the smart questions and your honest opinions.

[owlcatz]

The other 2 people making up your company. Are they registered at hashtalk.org and do they post there?

Yes they are in hashtalk, BTCLend was founded in a discussion at Hashtalk. Not sure they post here. This is not the most welcoming community. I come and go, specially when doing research on altcoins configuration for mining. To be honest I dont dare to ask many questions here. I tried that once two years ago when I started in Crypto and it was hard to ask questions without getting some rude people comments in.

FFS, grow a thicker skin already. You can't be in the biz of crypto and be legit unless you hide and shit. The most prominent devs of both alts and BTC are transparent. You seem to be a paid shill for XPY, so that is why you feel victimized or what ever.

I mean considering your Hashtalk history and all yo.. just sayin'.

[seedtrue]

The other 2 people making up your company. Are they registered at hashtalk.org and do they post there?

Yes they are in hashtalk, BTCLend was founded in a discussion at Hashtalk. Not sure they post here. This is not the most welcoming community. I come and go, specially when doing research on altcoins configuration for mining. To be honest I dont dare to ask many questions here. I tried that once two years ago when I started in Crypto and it was hard to ask questions without getting some rude people comments in.

because valid questions are accepted with open arms on ashtalk?   smh

[subseaguru]

well i commend Cmilian for coming on here and answering some questions. at least he has the balls coming into the lions den and answer questions with respect to his connection with poopcoin.

[HashieNewb]

I will be back, Family time calls. Please feel free to ask any questions you have at the support link if any. I cant be here all the time to answer your questions as I would like. https://btclend.zendesk.com/
Thank you for the smart questions and your honest opinions.

Can you please move this to an appropriate thread ? You can post the link here!

[rawbot]

Can you please move this to an appropriate thread ? You can post the link here!

I agree, this BTClend bullshit has slightly derailed the discussion. This is going to be an eventful week for Paycoin and we need to focus the discussion on the impending shitstorm on the horizon.  

Whether or not BTClend is legit probably belongs in another thread.

[Paul Revere]

Let's assume you're not a scammer, and I'll walk through an example.

Let's say I have 2,000,000 XPY. Let's say XPY = .002 BTC today.

So, I send you 1,000,000 XPY and get 2,000 BTC.

Then, I sell 1,000,000 XPY on the market, which sends the price to .... well, practically to zero. Let's be generous and say that there's a million for sale around .00001 BTC.

Then I take 10 BTC, buy 1,000,000 XPY from desperate people, and pay back the loan.

You're out 1,990 BTC. I'm 1,990 BTC richer.

In a shallow market, how can you possibly avoid losing money?

1. You do not send me any XPY. You just authorize for your XPY to be locked from getting sold until loan is paid off.
2. You don't pay back with XPY. You borrow BTC, you pay back BTC. XPY is there only as a security blanket in case you don't pay.

Why would you go thru all that trouble. You can just got to BTCJam and run with anyone's 10 BTC.

Remember at BTCLend you will get verified before you take a loan. Again, We aim to protect investors. Its a peer to peer lending business.

You are stuck in XPY, XPY is distracting your view of BTCLend. It isjust a variable to be used or not used.

1. You obviously can not read or comprehend English, and quite possibly have problems understanding 1+1 mathematically. Bumpershot said he started with TWO million XPY and used ONE of them for collateral on a loan and then used the OTHER to manipulate the market. There is an easy way to PUMP the price of XPY using the second million (10,000 is actually plenty) to get an inflated loan amount instead of the method Bumpershot suggested. Your lack of understanding of basic market functions is astounding and in my opinion makes you completely unqualified to run a financial company. This does not have to be huge numbers like this either, you can manipulate the price of XPY with just a few thousand dollars, so this scenario scales down to the realm where you are presumably lending.

2. You do not seem to understand the concept of COLLATERAL. When you accept collateral, that property becomes YOUR property until the terms of the loan are met. Not paying the loan back and forfeiting the collateral is simply an option given to the borrower, and in this case it is obviously the best decision to keep the BTC and and let you (the SUCKER) keep the XPY that has dropped in value over the life of the loan. Then there is the spectre of the MILLIONS of XPY that people have and can not dump into markets without trashing the XPY price. What you are doing is offering a way to trade them for BTC at top market value (which they can pump up before the loan), in other words it is STUPID not intelligent.

There are so many ways to take advantage of your stupidity and total lack of understanding of how Loans,Markets, Crypto, and the scam that is Paycoin in particular, works it is hard to figure out which is most likely to occur first, but I have no doubt that others will demonstrate them to you and your "investors" in short order.

[maildir]

Internet is littered with the corpses of this guy's failed ventures, one after the other

http://www.redcarpetmonday.com/user_profile.php?userid=11783

http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResults?InquiryType=OfficerRegisteredAgentName&inquiryDirectionType=ForwardList&searchNameOrder=MILIANCARMELO%20L110000928700&SearchTerm=Milian&entityId=L11000092870&listNameOrder=MILIANBESUMICHEL%20L140000899342

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One flop after another. Historically this BTClending will follow suit. Be aware.

Recording keep and standing of it starts the date you register, not when you decide to launch your little "business".

Just another fly-by-nighter.

[WaffleMaster]

It's actually pretty sad you can't trust anything in crypto because of what people like this do to it with Paycoin and all the scammy shit that happens with Bitcoin and all other altcoins. Just remember Garza started in Bitcoin. Now his botched abortion of a mining company that fled to make up their own made up currency based on lies to pay off their debts to their customers is just another discourage for thousands to never get involved with crypto again. Who else remembers seeing posts of the terrible people who got their friends and family into Paycoin and now are mocked and can't be looked at the same way? Who feel like complete shitheads and fools?

[racebyu]

Many long term people getting tired of all the Paycoin BS and are starting to say something or just leaving.
I have seen alot more doubt in posts lately, this was from a person with over 1k reputation.

[Paul Revere]

well i commend Cmilian for coming on here and answering some questions. at least he has the balls coming into the lions den and answer questions with respect to his connection with poopcoin.

Actually, it turns out he has less balls than brain cells and I am certain he doesn't have two of those to rub together. He has to run back crying to momma and badmouth those darned people who point out that he is being an idiot in the safety of HT where no one can respond to his pathetic attempts at insults:

[bumpershot]

Going to a different, heavily censored forum to take shots at someone is just tacky. Why wouldn't he post that here to the guy's (internet) face?

[Paul Revere]

Going to a different, heavily censored forum to take shots at someone is just tacky. Why wouldn't he post that here to the guy's (internet) face?

Because he is the CEO of a big lending corporation, and that's how you do things when you are a bigshot like that.    

I am about 99.999% certain he is referring to me.

Here is an offer Cmilian: If you want to come back to the Bigboys Table and discuss things I will do my very best to try to not call you an absolute fucking imbecile who could not think his way out of a wet paper bag with the help of a chainsaw and has less financial prowess than Lucy Ricardo on crack. No promises though, I am human, after all.