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[cloverme]

Sooo..   thoughts on scrypt.cc beeing down ?

Looks like they are back up now. I can confirm that they were down earlier, I emailed them and the site was back up in a few hours.

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[HorseRider]

is there any bad news for Hashnest ??

Yep, their latest cheap offer is worrying without further explanation. Also if you login to trade section and look into sellers bids, there are 2 bids for sale of 1 PHs each and one for 600+THs. All hashrate offered for sale together from all bids (3 PHs) is of the same size as whole umisoo should be and unless they explain from where the new hashrate is coming and how much did they dump to market it starts to stink.

BITMAIN has just released the S5, and also large mining operation pictures. I think the new added Umisoo is actually out of these new generation of mining rigs. The actual electricity cost of $/TH/day is low and BITMAIN sell the hash rate at low price but earn the maintenance profit.

[ComaWombat]

BITMAIN has just released the S5, and also large mining operation pictures. I think the new added Umisoo is actually out of these new generation of mining rigs. The actual electricity cost of $/TH/day is low and BITMAIN sell the hash rate at low price but earn the maintenance profit.

Bitmain really shattered my illusions about them when they crashed the UMISOO market with new shares created out of thin air. It's completely unacceptable and a dirty move.

And I also think that they're not as transparent as 99% of Hashnest users think they are. I'd bet there's no way they've been mining with S2 and S3 after they aquired snowball.io. They've been mining with something better and datacenter friendly (S4) and charging high maintenance fees for the contracts like you said. While the payouts are what the contracts dictate, the operation could be called legit I guess, but their trustworthiness in my eyes has taken hard hits this fall and winter.

[armedmilitia]

Noticed you added criteria #8 to your ponzi scale. GAW promised guaranteed profitability when they launched their hashlets. However, it seems like they've retracted that promise now, and have deleted the original hashlet thread. There's a theme with GAW deleting their promises to customers...

(Original hashlet thread, you won't find anything here)
https://hashtalk.org/t/mining-has-finally-evolved/6125

[HorseRider]

BITMAIN has just released the S5, and also large mining operation pictures. I think the new added Umisoo is actually out of these new generation of mining rigs. The actual electricity cost of $/TH/day is low and BITMAIN sell the hash rate at low price but earn the maintenance profit.

Bitmain really shattered my illusions about them when they crashed the UMISOO market with new shares created out of thin air. It's completely unacceptable and a dirty move.

And I also think that they're not as transparent as 99% of Hashnest users think they are. I'd bet there's no way they've been mining with S2 and S3 after they aquired snowball.io. They've been mining with something better and datacenter friendly (S4) and charging high maintenance fees for the contracts like you said. While the payouts are what the contracts dictate, the operation could be called legit I guess, but their trustworthiness in my eyes has taken hard hits this fall and winter.

Before the crash, the Umisoo contract was traded at high price of no possibility to ROI. But after the crash, there is better hope to hold it and get ROI. (Though I think it is not a safe investment). It is still the best kind of cloud mining contract on the market available: backed up by real hashrate, low price, good liquidity.

[ComaWombat]

But after the crash, there is better hope to hold it and get ROI.

Sure. If you dent a lot of cars in a parking lot, maybe you'll be able to buy them cheap later and they'll still take you from A to B.

It's pure loss to the original car owners though if they don't get insurance money. I don't think I'm getting insurance money from Bitmain for the damages. 

[dr1980m]

But after the crash, there is better hope to hold it and get ROI.

Sure. If you dent a lot of cars in a parking lot, maybe you'll be able to buy them cheap later and they'll still take you from A to B.

It's pure loss to the original car owners though if they don't get insurance money. I don't think I'm getting insurance money from Bitmain for the damages. 

i bought 1 TH from 0,0005 and now its 0,004
i m already lose %20
İts very bad

[NeonTranceBadger]

Noticed you added criteria #8 to your ponzi scale. GAW promised guaranteed profitability when they launched their hashlets. However, it seems like they've retracted that promise now, and have deleted the original hashlet thread. There's a theme with GAW deleting their promises to customers...

(Original hashlet thread, you won't find anything here)
https://hashtalk.org/t/mining-has-finally-evolved/6125

We have it all documented over at the official GAW post.  We even have a massive backup of hashtalk.org and the "proof of mining" video by Joe also, so GAW can't get away with any of the deleting of posts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.0

[flyingplows]

why gaw has such high rating this far? are you aware what have they done to their customers recently? ye, you can still login to their website, but you can login to hashie too.. in fact i dont even know which one is worse (hashie sold amhash contrats, so at least had something not meant to leave you ripped off). i hardly got even with gaw and ONLY because this forum helped me to become aware of impending collapse and i sold my paycoins at ~14$. i almost feel bad about it when i think it is not that gaw refunded me money to compensate for the worthless shit-miners i bought from them to make one satoshi and some forumpoints later(only from better ones - zens), but someone was lied to and fooled to buy these shitcoins for such an inflated price.
so again, how do you call a company when THE ONLY way you can get your money back (if at all) is from new customers?!  

[MrTeal]

why gaw has such high rating this far? are you aware what have they done to their customers recently? ye, you can still login to their website, but you can login to hashie too.. in fact i dont even know which one is worse (hashie sold amhash contrats, so at least had something not meant to leave you ripped off). i hardly got even with gaw and ONLY because this forum helped me to become aware of impending collapse and i sold my paycoins at ~14$. i almost feel bad about it when i think it is not that gaw refunded me money to compensate for the worthless shit-miners i bought from them to make one satoshi and some forumpoints later(only from better ones - zens), but someone was lied to and fooled to buy these shitcoins for such an inflated price.
so again, how do you call a company when THE ONLY way you can get your money back (if at all) is from new customers?!  

Possibly/partially legit based on criteria set forth. Based on wider context: more suspicious than a nun squatting in a cucumber field

I wouldn't call that exactly a stellar recommendation. Really, you're asking for trouble if you send coin to any of those services that isn't 0 to 1 on the scale, and even then there's excessive risk.
That's even outside the basic profitability of cloud mining.

[MrTeal]

Puppet, can you add https://terabox.me to your list?

It's there, he just spelled it incorrectly.

[suchmoon]

Someone spammed this one in the hashie thread

http://ore-mine.com/

TBH I didn't even look at it. But the poster (ref link spam of course) insisted it was "legit" so it must be true 

[MrTeal]

Someone spammed this one in the hashie thread

http://ore-mine.com/

TBH I didn't even look at it. But the poster (ref link spam of course) insisted it was "legit" so it must be true 

Affiliate program? 3000% returns?
Legit for sure.

[hdbuck]

Someone spammed this one in the hashie thread

http://ore-mine.com/

TBH I didn't even look at it. But the poster (ref link spam of course) insisted it was "legit" so it must be true 

Affiliate program? 3000% returns?
Legit for sure.

does people actually (still) buy this?! Oo

[Muhammed Zakir]

Someone spammed this one in the hashie thread

http://ore-mine.com/

TBH I didn't even look at it. But the poster (ref link spam of course) insisted it was "legit" so it must be true 

Affiliate program? 3000% returns?
Legit for sure.

does people actually (still) buy this?! Oo

Check http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/http%3A%2F%2Fore-mine.com . People are searching this site. I think people don't care.

   ~~MZ~~

[jawitech]

Someone spammed this one in the hashie thread

http://ore-mine.com/

TBH I didn't even look at it. But the poster (ref link spam of course) insisted it was "legit" so it must be true 

Affiliate program? 3000% returns?
Legit for sure.

does people actually (still) buy this?! Oo

People buy EVERYTHING if you promise them easy profits. Greed makes blind and stupid...

[Josepht]

Hey Puppet,

I have a question about Hashnest. When I bought some GH/s there, I couldn't direct them to the pool of my choice.
Therefore I wonder why they have a score of 0/8 and not 1/8.

Great thread btw

[siampumpkin]

You should add ContractMine.com

I am experimenting with it here in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=911366.msg10007621#msg10007621

I feel it needs some investigation. I hope to get some details on payouts, if any, soon.

Please add CONTRACTMINE.COM to the listing. I think it needs attention.

Thanks.

[DisaBit]

Found this link concerning LTCGear on a litecointalk thread.

https://altcoinherald.com/ltcgear-com-drags-collapse/

[hashnest.com]

Hey Puppet,

I have a question about Hashnest. When I bought some GH/s there, I couldn't direct them to the pool of my choice.
Therefore I wonder why they have a score of 0/8 and not 1/8.

Great thread btw

Hi, please noted that we are developing related functions, will be online around 3 months later. However, this function requires a more efficiency and  stronger VPN, and repeatedly testing is needed before released.