▁ ▂ ▄ ▅ ▆ Cloudmining 101 (ponzi risk assessment) ▆ ▅ ▄ ▂ ▁

[suchmoon]

So given that coins stolen by so many scams end up at that address, why are your coins being sent there and what is it?

It's BTC-e.

Do they just have one address for everyone or is that a specific users address?

Each user has a separate deposit address of course. As deposits come in they are swept into a shared wallet, which is what you found. I think most exchanges operate that way.

[Mabsark]

Each user has a separate deposit address of course. As deposits come in they are swept into a shared wallet, which is what you found. I think most exchanges operate that way.

I'm sure someone's confirmed that. Does anyone have any links to such a confirmation?

[suchmoon]

Each user has a separate deposit address of course. As deposits come in they are swept into a shared wallet, which is what you found. I think most exchanges operate that way.

I'm sure someone's confirmed that. Does anyone have any links to such a confirmation?

Google the address, there are quite a few references to it. For example:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=791367.msg9123497#msg9123497

You can also try to deposit some dust to BTC-E and see where it ends up.

[tadynek]

bitcoinlabmining.com - Account suspended, no payment, admin does not answer.

[Puppet]

bitcoinlabmining.com - Account suspended, no payment, admin does not answer.

OMG, who'd have thought?



thanks for reporting though.

[l3sny]

these all were scams without any mining equipment.
At kryptologika we have reduced our maintenance fees by 5% since 15/01

[tadynek]

Does anyone have any information about  https://vulu.org

[ATCkit]

Anyone seen this article:

http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/02/bitcoin-brothers-aim-to-disrupt-bitcoin-mining-with-new-more-powerful-supercomputers/

If Bitcoin Bros actually does have these super computers, this will drastically change cloud mining.

@Puppet, a ponzi test is in order for this one. There's not much info on their website yet.

[Mabsark]

Anyone seen this article:

http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/02/bitcoin-brothers-aim-to-disrupt-bitcoin-mining-with-new-more-powerful-supercomputers/

If Bitcoin Bros actually does have these super computers, this will drastically change cloud mining.

@Puppet, a ponzi test is in order for this one. There's not much info on their website yet.

From the article:

Financed in part by money the Welle brothers made as bitcoin miners in the technology’s early days, Bitcoin Brothers is working with TSMC to manufacture its proprietary 3D 16nm FinFET application-specific integrated circuits (ASICs), which the company designed itself.

Unfortunately for them, TSMC’s 16nm FinFET Faces Major Delay – Qualcomm Jumps Ship To Samsung.

[Mabsark]

I just posted this to the Cloud Mining Website thread:

dr1980m tried to purchase 30 Gh by sending 0.003 BTC to 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L from 13RJvPMzxdAyzXQNnLAAimrMQBGseRJRmC.

i make deposit BUT my GH's didn't come..
Please check it
order id: 2793
Here is detail :  http://blockchain.info/tx-index/2e0c0b2cda919cb7270f6ece7dccf4750724391d3bd51a4270130a8e2ad99240

which was later refunded from Cloud Mining Website's payout address (not the address it was sent to) as shown below:

Sorry its my default  

Can i take my deposit ??

0.003BTC has been sent back to your withdrawal address.

https://blockchain.info/tx/4f78abc29316d72d2714fa6b9887f0f42ce97a536257427987976a6bfe1645d6

Feel free to let us know about any further support from our end.

From 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L, the 0.003 BTC is sent to 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec. The first payment to 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec was on 2014-11-02 08:42:37 (when Cloud Mining Website started) and receives multiple payments of amounts that are integer multiples of 0.001 BTC (Cloud Mining Website's price per Gh/s). Also, out of 242 transactions, only 3 involve coins moving from 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec.

1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec is quite clearly a receiving address for "customer" payments which seem to pass through a unique address first.

The first payment out of 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec sends 15.349 BTC to 1Ng9UahczApASvLVPCEoJmvnMAHTvXpFPH on 2015-01-11 18:26:36. From 1Ng9UahczApASvLVPCEoJmvnMAHTvXpFPH, 10.0803785 BTC is sent to 1DoXReLhoc4Qw528ejwhYBWE4DyctGJsRv, which sends the coins to 14uiWYG2kwjbm3AorVaB6qK6o2eSETCqRV and with a few other addresses, finally on to 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL.

This give the following chain of transactions:

1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec > 1Ng9UahczApASvLVPCEoJmvnMAHTvXpFPH > 1DoXReLhoc4Qw528ejwhYBWE4DyctGJsRv > 14uiWYG2kwjbm3AorVaB6qK6o2eSETCqRV > 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL

The latest transaction with 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec shows that it received 0.01091639 BTC and a 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 received 0.3613364 BTC. Given that 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec is the customer payment receiving address where the coins where sent to, 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 is a change address which is also belong to Cloud Mining Website. The coins that 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 receives are sent on to 1LAAhMSLXhLhvgrmdHancjhUyVE2rbcTuJ, then 11QSYSjTjadhNbKXgBcg4B3k5WjnEMkqP, then 1P9GfsxGavQVgZndXk1EbPyKmYwdtDYufB, to finally reach 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot cloud mining)

This give the following chain of transactions:

1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec > 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 > 1LAAhMSLXhLhvgrmdHancjhUyVE2rbcTuJ > 1P9GfsxGavQVgZndXk1EbPyKmYwdtDYufB > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot cloud mining)

So Cloud Mining Website, can you explain why you are sending payments from customers to Eobot cloud mining? Also, why are your customers payments being sent to 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL (an address familiar to recent cloud mining ponzi victims)?

If anyone posts on Cloud Mining Website's forums, ask them to come and explain that.

Further evidence linking Cloud Mining Website to Eobot:

1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L (pay in address) > 1GNmnxWkComFYF7k8EBeKtgQz2sprUGYvM  > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot cloud mining)

[peligro]

To summarise, cloud mining companies are either ponzis or legitimate. The legitimate ones never make any profit. The ponzi ones profit the early customers and makes the later ones suffer big losses. So the only reason for anybody to invest is if they feel they have identified a ponzi and are early.

The best thing to do is forget about cloud mining. I am surprised there is so much interest in these.

[Mabsark]

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[Cablez]

This price crash is the best thing that could have happened in terms of flushing all the bad actors out into the open.  I can only hope that people will not be so flippant with their money in the future.

[Totscha]

New kid on the block:

http://hashwar.co/

I would give them a 6/7 score. They don't have an affiliate program, the rest is highly suspect.

[Surger]

New kid on the block:

http://hashwar.co/

I would give them a 6/7 score. They don't have an affiliate program, the rest is highly suspect.

minum
um package is 250 dolar 
they are playing big
must be carefully...

[tmfp]

Not counting any chickens just yet, but these Iqonia guys sound promising.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927973.0

Will compile a score when a bit more info available.

[damiano]

Not counting any chickens just yet, but these Iqonia guys sound promising.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927973.0

Will compile a score when a bit more info available.

They do seem interesting.  If they can provide an address (they said they would once they start) and get BITMAIN or another vender to confirm their order I might buy a contract.

[tmfp]

Not counting any chickens just yet, but these Iqonia guys sound promising.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927973.0

Will compile a score when a bit more info available.

They do seem interesting.  If they can provide an address (they said they would once they start) and get BITMAIN or another vender to confirm their order I might buy a contract.

I've just done a bit more digging and Iqonia's parent company, white balance GMBH, appears to be owned by All3media Capital Ltd. a long term, multi million £ London registered media company.
This all subject to verification: having said that, I might be joining you.

[MrTeal]

Not counting any chickens just yet, but these Iqonia guys sound promising.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927973.0

Will compile a score when a bit more info available.

They do seem interesting.  If they can provide an address (they said they would once they start) and get BITMAIN or another vender to confirm their order I might buy a contract.

Why on Earth would you do that? Even if they are legit, they're charging $487.52/TH and have a $1.8/TH per day maintenance fee. At current difficulty 1TH/s is bringing in $2.46/day. Even if nothing changes on the network, it'd take years to make back your money.
If you really want you could buy a TH/s direct from Bitmain for $179, and the maintenance fee is lower at $1.64/TH per day.

Cloudmining isn't a great investment right now anyway, but even if they're legit this company is a particularly bad buy at the current prices.

[marcotheminer]

I don't think #4 applies to BIT-X anymore (correct me if I'm wrong).