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January 21, 2015, 10:05:11 AM |
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I know the last deposit won't get a payment. Don't try to talk stupid!
I'm talking about the payment for the next in line. Only 0.6xxx BTC were required to pay the next person. Where's the TXID of that payment scammer?
Secondly, isn't the fee 5%? The numbers don't match up! Explain this too now.
Since there was 3 seconds left in the round when you sent that payment, there was not enough time for the payment cronjob to run (runs every 60 seconds). That is what sends out the payments. Hence, the 1 BTC went towards paying the deposits from day 4. I take 5% fees from the 130% payout. So 130% of 1 Bitcoin is 1.3 Bitcoin. 5% of 1.3 Bitcoin is 0.065. Make sense? It is good to know what happen to the 1 BTC. Does that always happen with the leftovers? If so I didn't realize that. About the fees, it seems the fee is collected at the time of deposit and it is 6.5% of the deposit. That works out to 5% of the 130% payout, but it has typically been collected before that. |
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dyask
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January 21, 2015, 11:24:21 AM |
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Seems like there should be a new address for the weekly game. Double spends and unconfirmed transactions after days isn't a good sign.
Transactions shouldn't be created from unconfirmed deposits.
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Fairbanks
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January 21, 2015, 11:34:40 AM |
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Seems like there should be a new address for the weekly game. Double spends and unconfirmed transactions after days isn't a good sign.
Transactions shouldn't be created from unconfirmed deposits. My own lost payout was from the 24 Hour Ponzi, so maybe they should both get new addresses. What's actually happening that's causing the payouts to be double spent? Is it that previous "betters" are sending bogus transactions that, once sorted leave the Ponzi addresses essentially sending out payouts with bitcoins that don't exist? |
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entertainment
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January 21, 2015, 11:44:49 AM |
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DEV should turn off the system and come back with a v4 without bugs.
In other way this game will be dead this weak.
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dyask
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January 21, 2015, 11:50:59 AM |
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Seems like there should be a new address for the weekly game. Double spends and unconfirmed transactions after days isn't a good sign.
Transactions shouldn't be created from unconfirmed deposits. My own lost payout was from the 24 Hour Ponzi, so maybe they should both get new addresses. What's actually happening that's causing the payouts to be double spent? Is it that previous "betters" are sending bogus transactions that, once sorted leave the Ponzi addresses essentially sending out payouts with bitcoins that don't exist? I don't know, but I can make a guess. * Player 1 sends transactions without fees. These take a very long time to confirm. (TX A) * A transaction including a unconfirmed transaction gets made and sent to a player 2. * That transaction won't confirm until after the first transaction (TX A) confirms, but the player has wallet set up to spend unconfirmed coins and reinvests with that (TX A) * Now the game creates a new transaction with the unconfirmed (TX A) and sends it out to play 3. I think that looks like a double spend, the game has sent the same unconfirmed BTC to player 2 and player 3. If (TX A) ever confirms the whole thing should clear up, in in the mean time, 3 wallets are messed up. The only way to avoid the problem is not to spend unconfirmed transactions. |
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January 21, 2015, 11:53:32 AM |
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Seems like there should be a new address for the weekly game. Double spends and unconfirmed transactions after days isn't a good sign.
Transactions shouldn't be created from unconfirmed deposits. My own lost payout was from the 24 Hour Ponzi, so maybe they should both get new addresses. What's actually happening that's causing the payouts to be double spent? Is it that previous "betters" are sending bogus transactions that, once sorted leave the Ponzi addresses essentially sending out payouts with bitcoins that don't exist? I don't know, but I can make a guess. * Betters send transactions without fees. These take a very long time to confirm. (TX A) * A transaction including a unconfirmed transaction get made and sent to a player * That transaction won't confirm until after the first transaction (TX A) confirms, but the player has wallet set up to spend unconfirmed coins and reinvests with that (TX A) * Now the game creates a new transaction with the unconfirmed (TX A) and sends it out to another player. I think that looks like a double spend. If (TX A) ever confirms the whole thing should clear up, in in the mean time, 3 wallets are messed up. The only way to avoid the problem is not to spend unconfirmed transactions. In my case it never cleared up but was eventually purged from the blockchain so I wouldn't be holding my breath in a case like this... |
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January 21, 2015, 11:54:43 AM |
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Seems like there should be a new address for the weekly game. Double spends and unconfirmed transactions after days isn't a good sign.
Transactions shouldn't be created from unconfirmed deposits. My own lost payout was from the 24 Hour Ponzi, so maybe they should both get new addresses. What's actually happening that's causing the payouts to be double spent? Is it that previous "betters" are sending bogus transactions that, once sorted leave the Ponzi addresses essentially sending out payouts with bitcoins that don't exist? I don't know, but I can make a guess. * Betters send transactions without fees. These take a very long time to confirm. (TX A) * A transaction including a unconfirmed transaction get made and sent to a player * That transaction won't confirm until after the first transaction (TX A) confirms, but the player has wallet set up to spend unconfirmed coins and reinvests with that (TX A) * Now the game creates a new transaction with the unconfirmed (TX A) and sends it out to another player. I think that looks like a double spend. If (TX A) ever confirms the whole thing should clear up, in in the mean time, 3 wallets are messed up. The only way to avoid the problem is not to spend unconfirmed transactions. AFAIK, it is not like that. There seems to be a bug in the script causing the ponzi to create conflicting payments with the same tx output. For example, someone deposited 0.00533372 to the ponzi address with standard fee ( https://blockchain.info/tx/974e0e8b975631667986af2696a90b3538877ff198ef95965dd889aebb0e2837?show_adv=true), but then weeklyponzi made a douple spend attempt ( https://blockchain.info/tx/12eb51cadb849136ebb02d29af775c8d64bea13e9c851351c39b75e8de16c657 and https://blockchain.info/tx/46d0de69db635ceb8dc9d5bca0dc8badb87f7aed6cdedb8526a4270ca42c58ab). |
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dyask
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January 21, 2015, 12:04:34 PM |
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Seems like there should be a new address for the weekly game. Double spends and unconfirmed transactions after days isn't a good sign.
Transactions shouldn't be created from unconfirmed deposits. My own lost payout was from the 24 Hour Ponzi, so maybe they should both get new addresses. What's actually happening that's causing the payouts to be double spent? Is it that previous "betters" are sending bogus transactions that, once sorted leave the Ponzi addresses essentially sending out payouts with bitcoins that don't exist? I don't know, but I can make a guess. * Betters send transactions without fees. These take a very long time to confirm. (TX A) * A transaction including a unconfirmed transaction get made and sent to a player * That transaction won't confirm until after the first transaction (TX A) confirms, but the player has wallet set up to spend unconfirmed coins and reinvests with that (TX A) * Now the game creates a new transaction with the unconfirmed (TX A) and sends it out to another player. I think that looks like a double spend. If (TX A) ever confirms the whole thing should clear up, in in the mean time, 3 wallets are messed up. The only way to avoid the problem is not to spend unconfirmed transactions. AFAIK, it is not like that. There seems to be a bug in the script causing the ponzi to create conflicting payments with the same tx output. For example, someone deposited 0.00533372 to the ponzi address with standard fee ( https://blockchain.info/tx/974e0e8b975631667986af2696a90b3538877ff198ef95965dd889aebb0e2837?show_adv=true), but then weeklyponzi made a douple spend attempt ( https://blockchain.info/tx/12eb51cadb849136ebb02d29af775c8d64bea13e9c851351c39b75e8de16c657 and https://blockchain.info/tx/46d0de69db635ceb8dc9d5bca0dc8badb87f7aed6cdedb8526a4270ca42c58ab). That looks a lot more serious.  |
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everlast25
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January 21, 2015, 12:42:39 PM |
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So, lets draw a line.
Day | Total deposited BTC | Number of deposits
Day#1 93,6 127
Day#2 75,6 94
Day#3 72,9 77
Day#4 58,4 74
Basically, every day volume of 24ponzi will be less and less because of few factors:
a) Bots, that starting round in first 0-1 seconds
b) Decreasing amount of investors that quit because of money loss
c) Decreasing amount of people that quit because they think that the game is unfair (59:59 payouts, double spend, wrong addresses order, etc.)
Less volume - more risky game. In fact few next rounds we will see only bots vs bots competition.
But op can save the situation making for example some king of reward for last 3 deposits like it was in weekly one, etc. People need to be interested in participation, not only bots/smart asses.
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dyask
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January 21, 2015, 01:00:47 PM |
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So, lets draw a line.
Day | Total deposited BTC | Number of deposits
Day#1 93,6 127
Day#2 75,6 94
Day#3 72,9 77
Day#4 58,4 74
Basically, every day volume of 24ponzi will be less and less because of few factors:
a) Bots, that starting round in first 0-1 seconds
b) Decreasing amount of investors that quit because of money loss
c) Decreasing amount of people that quit because they think that the game is unfair (59:59 payouts, double spend, wrong addresses order, etc.)
Less volume - more risky game. In fact few next rounds we will see only bots vs bots competition.
But op can save the situation making for example some king of reward for last 3 deposits like it was in weekly one, etc. People need to be interested in participation, not only bots/smart asses.
This is nuts. It isn't bots, it is people carefully watching the clock. For the first deposit, there isn't any advantage for a bot. If you don't believe me, just write one yourself and see. |
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January 21, 2015, 01:04:37 PM |
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yeah, not bots. i was watching the clock too today like hawkeye . sent in transaction at 0.00 gmt. Shows top 5 on blockchain but not even in the top 15 on site  not gonna try my luck again tomorrow. lol |
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January 21, 2015, 01:27:31 PM |
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yeah, not bots. i was watching the clock too today like hawkeye . sent in transaction at 0.00 gmt. Shows top 5 on blockchain but not even in the top 15 on site not gonna try my luck again tomorrow. lol Good luck.  I prefer the weekly, but I might give the daily one a try. |
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padrino
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January 21, 2015, 01:47:10 PM |
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There is a chance it won't however I have seen things confirm days/weeks after the fact a number of times.. |
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January 21, 2015, 01:59:46 PM |
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There is a chance it won't however I have seen things confirm days/weeks after the fact a number of times.. cool... maybe when BTC will be at 1mln $ this will confirm for me...  |
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Minnlo
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January 21, 2015, 02:11:11 PM |
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All these 3 transaction have zero fee and low priority. They will most likely be dropped in the nodes' mempool in a few days before they are confirmed. |
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Fairbanks
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January 21, 2015, 02:14:40 PM |
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yeah, not bots. i was watching the clock too today like hawkeye . sent in transaction at 0.00 gmt. Shows top 5 on blockchain but not even in the top 15 on site not gonna try my luck again tomorrow. lol Good luck. I prefer the weekly, but I might give the daily one a try. You're going to need to be VERY fast with your "bet". On Day #4, half of the total BTC sent was done so in the 00:00:00 time period. If the OP has indeed fixed the random sort order bug on the site, you're really going to need to get your bet registered on the blockchain before the 00:00:01 time period for the best chance of receiving a payout. Then you have to worry about your payout being double spent and disappearing from your balance several hours later.  |
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January 21, 2015, 02:16:31 PM |
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All these 3 transaction have zero fee and low priority. They will most likely be dropped in the nodes' mempool in a few days before they are confirmed. with zero transaction fee they might take upto few days..you never know..as the priority is low.! |
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