ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[bones]

sure, we had loads of miners sat on the shelves doing nothing...

do you even engage your brain, or you just open your mouth and let the sh!t fall out ?

Maybe not finished miners, but you gotta wonder what became of the 60/120PH worth of gen 3 chips that were supposedly produced.

I do not wonder , no.
I know some got sold, some got made into miners, and some chips are waiting for more money to be available to turn them into miners.
All that info is here and on havelock.

No great mystery.

[Puppet]

So they are waiting in boxes instead of shelves, is that it?

[raskul]

perhaps they are waiting on cyber monday so they can do a massive sale

[bones]

Not sure where you want this to lead...

Chips need money to be turned into hashing power.
Hashing power is not left sitting on shelves.
Unused chips yes, but that is a whole different kettle of fish.

[ujka]

sure, we had loads of miners sat on the shelves doing nothing...

do you even engage your brain, or you just open your mouth and let the sh!t fall out ?

Maybe not finished miners, but you gotta wonder what became of the 60/120PH worth of gen 3 chips that were supposedly produced.

With that packaging error FC mentioned (causing chips to 'pop' ?), I'm guessing that most of these mispackaged chips are still in the process of hand-picking and testing.. I wonder what % of 60/120PH is that.

[Blazed]

perhaps they are waiting on cyber monday so they can do a massive sale

LOL I think everyone has seen enough of these horrible miners to avoid them.

[arnuschky]

That Laxo Trade spammer is sending 1000 satoshis all the time, all over the place, and none of their tx failed. Some fountains send even lesser amounts.

I don't think that threshold thing happened here - more likely not all shares are connected to the right addresses yet. That's why this div was - to clear out the shareholding status. So, check your address, and if the div is not there, clear that out with FC.

Laxo is sending 10000 Satoshis as far as I know. What you remember is maybe from before the introduction of the dust threshold in 0.8.2? Faucets and fountains were mostly killed by this, see for example http://bitcoin.lift-institute.com/killing-the-dust/

[raskul]

perhaps they are waiting on cyber monday so they can do a massive sale

LOL I think everyone has seen enough of these horrible miners to avoid them.

i've heard so many stories about unhappy customers who have bought miners which are using these chips. However, i do believe in evolution and I wholeheartedly will welcome the room for improvement. the next few months are going to see some serious changes in the way mining evolves and where I don't believe for one minute that AM is out of the race, I do believe that they have quite a long way to go to recover their standing in the market. Companies are now moving away from the pre-ordering of miners and the crowd-funded method of building batches of hardware, and where i doubt we will have one single 'winner', it is good to see competition in the market as it is that competition which pushes each manufacturer and one another to create a better product for those looking to buy.

personally, i wish AM well and hope that, as a long standing company in this field, can recover their status and bring forwards something which is exciting and unique to ensure we continue to see a competitive edge from all sides of the industry.

[ujka]

That Laxo Trade spammer is sending 1000 satoshis all the time, all over the place, and none of their tx failed. Some fountains send even lesser amounts.

I don't think that threshold thing happened here - more likely not all shares are connected to the right addresses yet. That's why this div was - to clear out the shareholding status. So, check your address, and if the div is not there, clear that out with FC.

Laxo is sending 10000 Satoshis as far as I know. What you remember is maybe from before the introduction of the dust threshold in 0.8.2? Faucets and fountains were mostly killed by this, see for example http://bitcoin.lift-institute.com/killing-the-dust/

https://blockchain.info/tx/b30679bf3c688ad8f8b674a25c33399be23234934a488c04b8666f9486c1e5f3
0.00001000 btc, september 2014, long after v0.8.2

many outputs like this, put in a single tx - same way AM sends out divs.

[Blazed]

perhaps they are waiting on cyber monday so they can do a massive sale

LOL I think everyone has seen enough of these horrible miners to avoid them.

i've heard so many stories about unhappy customers who have bought miners which are using these chips. However, i do believe in evolution and I wholeheartedly will welcome the room for improvement. the next few months are going to see some serious changes in the way mining evolves and where I don't believe for one minute that AM is out of the race, I do believe that they have quite a long way to go to recover their standing in the market. Companies are now moving away from the pre-ordering of miners and the crowd-funded method of building batches of hardware, and where i doubt we will have one single 'winner', it is good to see competition in the market as it is that competition which pushes each manufacturer and one another to create a better product for those looking to buy.

personally, i wish AM well and hope that, as a long standing company in this field, can recover their status and bring forwards something which is exciting and unique to ensure we continue to see a competitive edge from all sides of the industry.

Honestly if they would reply to us, and even attempt to make it right then no big deal, but they do not bother. If you look at the Prisma thread you see pissed off miners and not 1 single reply to us about it. I understand if they shipped some bad miners and handled it like professionals, but they do not. How can someone sell crappy miners and not even be bothered to reply in the thread or via email?

Edit: I really like the idea of AM: publicly traded and such, but there is no excuse for ignoring customers.

[raskul]

perhaps they are waiting on cyber monday so they can do a massive sale

LOL I think everyone has seen enough of these horrible miners to avoid them.

i've heard so many stories about unhappy customers who have bought miners which are using these chips. However, i do believe in evolution and I wholeheartedly will welcome the room for improvement. the next few months are going to see some serious changes in the way mining evolves and where I don't believe for one minute that AM is out of the race, I do believe that they have quite a long way to go to recover their standing in the market. Companies are now moving away from the pre-ordering of miners and the crowd-funded method of building batches of hardware, and where i doubt we will have one single 'winner', it is good to see competition in the market as it is that competition which pushes each manufacturer and one another to create a better product for those looking to buy.

personally, i wish AM well and hope that, as a long standing company in this field, can recover their status and bring forwards something which is exciting and unique to ensure we continue to see a competitive edge from all sides of the industry.

Honestly if they would reply to us, and even attempt to make it right then no big deal, but they do not bother. If you look at the Prisma thread you see pissed off miners and not 1 single reply to us about it. I understand if they shipped some bad miners and handled it like professionals, but they do not. How can someone sell crappy miners and not even be bothered to reply in the thread or via email?

Edit: I really like the idea of AM: publicly traded and such, but there is no excuse for ignoring customers.

this is the chasm of a divide which separates a good company with a solid future and a bad company with limited time left in the market. It doesn't take much effort to provide good customer service, fix problems and 'make customers whole'. Sitting on their thumbs while the complaints flood in does in no way help towards what AM wants to achieve and should  it all go tits up then it'll be just another fable to pass on to prospective buyers of h/w in this market. As is the all-too-often occurrence, and stories of how people have lost lots of money in the bitcoin mining game

my own personal situation is that I never buy batch 1 h/w from any vendor. I'm cautious, I will always wait to read reviews and see first hand reports on any particular equipment and of course, i missed out in the past on some great opportunities. However, I do think that I have most likely saved myself more money than I have lost by being cautious. Too many h/w companies play on the fact that there are more people who are very keen to be first to make investments and I fear that AM may have done just that.

[binaryFate]

That Laxo Trade spammer is sending 1000 satoshis all the time, all over the place, and none of their tx failed. Some fountains send even lesser amounts.

I don't think that threshold thing happened here - more likely not all shares are connected to the right addresses yet. That's why this div was - to clear out the shareholding status. So, check your address, and if the div is not there, clear that out with FC.

Laxo is sending 10000 Satoshis as far as I know. What you remember is maybe from before the introduction of the dust threshold in 0.8.2? Faucets and fountains were mostly killed by this, see for example http://bitcoin.lift-institute.com/killing-the-dust/

https://blockchain.info/tx/b30679bf3c688ad8f8b674a25c33399be23234934a488c04b8666f9486c1e5f3
0.00001000 btc, september 2014, long after v0.8.2

many outputs like this, put in a single tx - same way AM sends out divs.

This is considered dust and not accepted by most miners, but not all. Eligius is ok with it afaik. Funny when luke is so much against ddos/spam (he says).

[Chris_Sabian]

perhaps they are waiting on cyber monday so they can do a massive sale

LOL I think everyone has seen enough of these horrible miners to avoid them.

i've heard so many stories about unhappy customers who have bought miners which are using these chips. However, i do believe in evolution and I wholeheartedly will welcome the room for improvement. the next few months are going to see some serious changes in the way mining evolves and where I don't believe for one minute that AM is out of the race, I do believe that they have quite a long way to go to recover their standing in the market. Companies are now moving away from the pre-ordering of miners and the crowd-funded method of building batches of hardware, and where i doubt we will have one single 'winner', it is good to see competition in the market as it is that competition which pushes each manufacturer and one another to create a better product for those looking to buy.

personally, i wish AM well and hope that, as a long standing company in this field, can recover their status and bring forwards something which is exciting and unique to ensure we continue to see a competitive edge from all sides of the industry.

Honestly if they would reply to us, and even attempt to make it right then no big deal, but they do not bother. If you look at the Prisma thread you see pissed off miners and not 1 single reply to us about it. I understand if they shipped some bad miners and handled it like professionals, but they do not. How can someone sell crappy miners and not even be bothered to reply in the thread or via email?

Edit: I really like the idea of AM: publicly traded and such, but there is no excuse for ignoring customers.

As someone with a bad prisms, I agree 100%.

[RoadStress]

sure, we had loads of miners sat on the shelves doing nothing...

do you even engage your brain, or you just open your mouth and let the sh!t fall out ?

Yes.

I do not wonder , no.
I know some got sold, some got made into miners, and some chips are waiting for more money to be available to turn them into miners.
All that info is here and on havelock.

No great mystery.

You are too naive.

[MilkyLep]

Another planned appearance by AM :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg9677514#msg9677514

[gogxmagog]

Another planned appearance by AM :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg9677514#msg9677514

It looks like this is already on... cool, but...I would really like to see a full translated transcript of what gets said. The last one, where Friedcat spoke, I only found the most cursory english version of events... I still have a few questions about that one in July...

The sign on the booth looks like it says "Basic miner" isn't there already a basic miner? Is this just an oversight by whomever designed the signage?

Not that any of this really matters a ton. Good to see this, looking forward to whatever news comes out.

[jimmothy]

Update

Some details of BE300:

Process: tsmc 28nm hpc

Package: fclga (5mm x 5mm)

Normal Mode:
    0.7v vdd
    6gh/s per chip
    8gh/s-12gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.343w/g on chip
    ~0.3w/g on chip for mass production

Low Power Mode:
    0.55v vdd
    4.5gh/s per chip
    6gh/s-9gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.225w/g on chip
    ~0.2w/g on chip for mass production

The schedule of BE300 producing: First batch production will be done next Feb.

[RoadStress]

    6gh/s per chip
    8gh/s-12gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.343w/g on chip
    ~0.3w/g on chip for mass production

I don't understand the numbers.  So it's 6GH/s per chip at 0.343W/GH, but for mass production the chips get better speed and lower power consumption. How will they do this? New mask?

[rudi]

Update

Some details of BE300:

Process: tsmc 28nm hpc

Package: fclga (5mm x 5mm)

Normal Mode:
    0.7v vdd
    6gh/s per chip
    8gh/s-12gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.343w/g on chip
    ~0.3w/g on chip for mass production

Low Power Mode:
    0.55v vdd
    4.5gh/s per chip
    6gh/s-9gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.225w/g on chip
    ~0.2w/g on chip for mass production

The schedule of BE300 producing: First batch production will be done next Feb.

So these chips are smaller than the BE200, and also have fewer GH/s compared to the BE200, but are expected to have much better power efficiency.

Does this open up the possibility of putting these chips on USB sticks again? It seems that even two chips could be built into a usb stick and still have low enough power consumption.

On the flip slide, I expect this also means that the BE300 chips are not compatible with the BE200 chips with respect to pinouts and package, as friedcat stated would be likely, back in june?

Finally, I'm also confused regarding the difference in GH/s per chip and power consumption before and during mass production.

[Caesium]

My dividend finally turned up.

https://blockchain.info/tx/7a0fa53dbce2d1c29630ea4c037f119b9099fe3e6f459c11dc4eed30a9b09e12

Sending address: https://blockchain.info/address/1HgTJED7XEGy4vVwKa8kgefWqUB3VRX2mW

Looks like I got a special transaction all to myself so my email must have helped fix it. Thanks friedcat.