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July 31, 2013, 01:07:19 PM |
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I think what's happening is people see movement with new competitors and this has ruffled feathers, people are rushing to lock in gains, shifting money to new offerings in the hope it'll take off like Asicminer did, etc.
I'm expecting in a few days the shine will dull on these companies that have delivered zilch, and Asicminer will continue to underpromise and overdeliver in the coming weeks. I also highly doubt that Friedcat has been sitting idly by while competitors pull the rug out from under him with more efficient chips.
I agree with this, but I'd like to get more information from FC and the team about issues and products. Some news about the new blades is overdue, IMO. |
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lano1106
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July 31, 2013, 01:20:41 PM |
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have I missed something crucial or why is the AM price imploding on dividend day?
Another explanation USD/BTC rate. AM share price in USD remains relatively stable. |
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velacreations
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July 31, 2013, 01:25:35 PM |
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the US is waking up, and the share price is creeping up in anticipation of the dividend
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July 31, 2013, 01:30:08 PM |
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it's funny to see that all these douchebags usually spamming this thread went surfing speculation bubbles somewhere else. Thank you activemining, labcoin etc!!! Thanky you!
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July 31, 2013, 01:35:44 PM |
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the US is waking up, and the share price is creeping up in anticipation of the dividend
I believe a good number of people may be pulling out to get in on the LABCOIN IPO. The order book is already filled up to sell out the full compliment of shares the second it goes live... people are freaking out. https://btct.co/security/LABCOIN |
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July 31, 2013, 01:40:06 PM |
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I believe a good number of people may be pulling out to get in on the LABCOIN IPO. The order book is already filled up to sell out the full compliment of shares the second it goes live... people are freaking out. https://btct.co/security/LABCOINthat IPO doesn't go live for another 11 hours or so. So, folks could get the AM dividend and then go jump on that, if they wanted. no need to sell AM at 4.2. |
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July 31, 2013, 01:56:59 PM |
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I believe a good number of people may be pulling out to get in on the LABCOIN IPO. The order book is already filled up to sell out the full compliment of shares the second it goes live... people are freaking out. https://btct.co/security/LABCOINthat IPO doesn't go live for another 11 hours or so. So, folks could get the AM dividend and then go jump on that, if they wanted. no need to sell AM at 4.2. Maybe not everyone has time to sit in front of their terminal all day? |
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July 31, 2013, 02:10:28 PM |
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I believe a good number of people may be pulling out to get in on the LABCOIN IPO. The order book is already filled up to sell out the full compliment of shares the second it goes live... people are freaking out. https://btct.co/security/LABCOINthat IPO doesn't go live for another 11 hours or so. So, folks could get the AM dividend and then go jump on that, if they wanted. no need to sell AM at 4.2. Maybe not everyone has time to sit in front of their terminal all day? Not only that, but sales on BTC-TC go on a first in first out policy. So if you get your bid in at the lowest price point IPO sells at before the next guy, you win. Placing bids sooner has an advantage. |
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SimonL
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July 31, 2013, 02:21:54 PM |
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the US is waking up, and the share price is creeping up in anticipation of the dividend
I believe a good number of people may be pulling out to get in on the LABCOIN IPO. The order book is already filled up to sell out the full compliment of shares the second it goes live... people are freaking out. https://btct.co/security/LABCOINWell, looks like that is where all the shares are leaking value to. I'm not exactly sure how Labcoin is going to compete though. Considering Avalon already dominates the 130nm chip space and others are already shooting for 28nm in the months ahead. I can only reason the investers flooded the IPO and are hoping for a quick rise from the early enthusiasm so they can bail as soon as the share price rises a little. Solidly performing shares are being sold like they are going out of style just for this business plan. Am I biased in saying that Labcoin does not have such a solid plan? How can this possibly be competitive in relation to Asicminer et al? |
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July 31, 2013, 02:24:34 PM |
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the US is waking up, and the share price is creeping up in anticipation of the dividend
I believe a good number of people may be pulling out to get in on the LABCOIN IPO. The order book is already filled up to sell out the full compliment of shares the second it goes live... people are freaking out. https://btct.co/security/LABCOINWell, looks like that is where all the shares are leaking value to. I'm not exactly sure how Labcoin is going to compete though. Considering Avalon already dominates the 130nm chip space and others are already shooting for 28nm in the months ahead. I can only reason the investers flooded the IPO and are hoping for a quick rise from the early enthusiasm so they can bail as soon as the share price rises a little. Solidly performing shares are being sold like they are going out of style just for this business plan. Am I biased in saying that Labcoin does not have such a solid plan? How can this possibly be competitive in relation to Asicminer et al? I'm pretty sure that a ton of people put money into the Labcoin IPO hoping for a sharp spike in price just after, so they can sell and take profits. |
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July 31, 2013, 02:28:37 PM |
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AM found one!!  What's that, like several hours. Oh, the good ol days..... |
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July 31, 2013, 02:35:07 PM |
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have I missed something crucial or why is the AM price imploding on dividend day?
Another explanation USD/BTC rate. AM share price in USD remains relatively stable. This is it guys. When BTC dropped to 68, AM acted as hedge and went all the way up to +5. We are now recovering on the BTC/USD side and AM is correcting back down. |
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July 31, 2013, 02:40:49 PM |
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have I missed something crucial or why is the AM price imploding on dividend day?
Another explanation USD/BTC rate. AM share price in USD remains relatively stable. This is it guys. When BTC dropped to 68, AM acted as hedge and went all the way up to +5. We are now recovering on the BTC/USD side and AM is correcting back down. Ehh, I still question the correlation to USD/BTC. You are buying a share in btc, to earn a profit in btc... div is paid in btc. Only fiat comes in with fixed costs like power, making the chips, that stuff, which is a fraction of what we take in. Unless someone can chart it for me and show me a good correlation, I do NOT think fiat prices have a huge effect on AM prices. I do not even consider fiat in any way when thinking if AM is a good buy or if I should be selling. I might if operating costs were ever a larger portion of our take. |
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July 31, 2013, 02:48:55 PM |
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have I missed something crucial or why is the AM price imploding on dividend day?
Another explanation USD/BTC rate. AM share price in USD remains relatively stable. This is it guys. When BTC dropped to 68, AM acted as hedge and went all the way up to +5. We are now recovering on the BTC/USD side and AM is correcting back down. Ehh, I still question the correlation to USD/BTC. You are buying a share in btc, to earn a profit in btc... div is paid in btc. Only fiat comes in with fixed costs like power, making the chips, that stuff, which is a fraction of what we take in. Unless someone can chart it for me and show me a good correlation, I do NOT think fiat prices have a huge effect on AM prices. I do not even consider fiat in any way when thinking if AM is a good buy or if I should be selling. I might if operating costs were ever a larger portion of our take. BTC has a relative value. It is not decoupled from the rest of the other currencies. This is true for the other exchanges. USD is strong S&P500 tank. The FED announce moar QE equities soar. BTC nominated equities are no different. What amaze me is how identical BTC economy work compared to existing systems (minus maybe Wall Street big players). |
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July 31, 2013, 02:49:34 PM |
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have I missed something crucial or why is the AM price imploding on dividend day?
Another explanation USD/BTC rate. AM share price in USD remains relatively stable. This is it guys. When BTC dropped to 68, AM acted as hedge and went all the way up to +5. We are now recovering on the BTC/USD side and AM is correcting back down. Ehh, I still question the correlation to USD/BTC. You are buying a share in btc, to earn a profit in btc... div is paid in btc. Only fiat comes in with fixed costs like power, making the chips, that stuff, which is a fraction of what we take in. Unless someone can chart it for me and show me a good correlation, I do NOT think fiat prices have a huge effect on AM prices. I do not even consider fiat in any way when thinking if AM is a good buy or if I should be selling. I might if operating costs were ever a larger portion of our take. Doesn't really matter if you yourself view it that way or not. I also do not assess the outcome of my investments this way, if I put btc I look at btc. But the market certainly thinks differently. The correlation is there, easy to see. And thinking about it, honestly, I think it is not the result of people thinking as you say in fiat, but rather a natural response to the fact that there was/is no natural hedging mechanism for a btc investment. AM, the best performing stock, has somehow become that mechanism (or at least it did so during the last wave down) for a fraction of the market who were in clear demand of such a thing. |
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July 31, 2013, 02:49:47 PM |
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Ah... is THAT what's going on? Interesting! Div predictions anyone? I'll start: 0.02 |
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SimonL
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July 31, 2013, 02:52:19 PM |
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have I missed something crucial or why is the AM price imploding on dividend day?
Another explanation USD/BTC rate. AM share price in USD remains relatively stable. This is it guys. When BTC dropped to 68, AM acted as hedge and went all the way up to +5. We are now recovering on the BTC/USD side and AM is correcting back down. It's tempting to think that, but the dividend profits remain the same, additionally the expenses for Asicminer reduces since they don't need to convert as many to cover costs, thus there would likely be a marginal increase in dividends, thus justifying the price of the shares remaining the same (or perhaps even higher since AM is suddenly spitting out higher divs). Asicminer's competitiveness to reap massive profits haven't changed, and even though there are competitors on the horizon, they are still left to prove themselves. BTC holders really shouldn't be losing value on the shares in BTC, only those that aren't in the Bitcoin economy should be at a disadvantage. |
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lano1106
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July 31, 2013, 02:59:50 PM |
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It's tempting to think that, but the dividend profits remain the same, additionally the expenses for Asicminer reduces since they don't need to convert as many to cover costs, thus there would likely be a marginal increase in dividends, thus justifying the price of the shares remaining the same (or perhaps even higher since AM is suddenly spitting out higher divs). Asicminer's competitiveness to reap massive profits haven't changed, and even though there are competitors on the horizon, they are still left to prove themselves. BTC holders really shouldn't be losing value on the shares in BTC, only those that aren't in the Bitcoin economy should be at a disadvantage.
it is maybe tricky to grasp but in other words, the value of AM share does not change. only its price tag nominated into something that fluctuate. |
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Voodah
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July 31, 2013, 03:06:46 PM |
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have I missed something crucial or why is the AM price imploding on dividend day?
Another explanation USD/BTC rate. AM share price in USD remains relatively stable. This is it guys. When BTC dropped to 68, AM acted as hedge and went all the way up to +5. We are now recovering on the BTC/USD side and AM is correcting back down. It's tempting to think that, but the dividend profits remain the same, additionally the expenses for Asicminer reduces since they don't need to convert as many to cover costs, thus there would likely be a marginal increase in dividends, thus justifying the price of the shares remaining the same (or perhaps even higher since AM is suddenly spitting out higher divs). Asicminer's competitiveness to reap massive profits haven't changed, and even though there are competitors on the horizon, they are still left to prove themselves. BTC holders really shouldn't be losing value on the shares in BTC, only those that aren't in the Bitcoin economy should be at a disadvantage. Divs are a whole other thing, composed of several streams, some of them highly variable, like sales. BTC holders (or anyone) haven't really lost any value. Before the move up that hedged the btc wave down to 68, AM was at 3.5. This move artificially pumped the AM price up all the way 5~ and it is now 4.2. After all is said and done, AM gained ~15% by acting as hedge. The gains are probably accounted for by new people who realized during the down wave that AM was the best hedging asset |
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